Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Eire90]

america sending in naval ships and missiles

[Itchy]

america sending in naval ships and missiles

Good man, you can sit in front of your tv now and watch Fox news and pull the wire of yourself. Have a party and invite Burdizzo over to join in.

[seafoid]

Was Kingsmill heroic? Mountbatten?

Moronic stuff."What's good for the goose is good for the gander". What f**king age are you, you absolute child. Once you adopt that attitude, any sense of a moral high ground is immediately conceded.

Red Hand, just so you know, that's a "rhetorical" question, doesn't need an answer. Just to be clear in case you confuse a narrative technique for pretentiousness again.

You don't understand power either. It's not about the moral high ground. It's about understanding what is going on.
Israeli deterrence is fucked.

There is no security under apartheid.

[Sportacus]

It is possible to fully support the plight of the Palestine people, and condemn the atrocities on all sides.  That's an opinion.

Standing with a machine gun abducting old women and young children by any measure is not heroic, it just isn't.  That's a fact.

There is absolutely a difference between oppressor and the oppressed.  The Palestinians have been brutalised and driven to desperation.  The Israeli have chosen to brutalise. But f**king wise up suggesting it's heroic to abduct or murder unarmed civilians. Palestinians have been heroic in so many ways, but not that one.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

It is possible to fully support the plight of the Palestine people, and condemn the atrocities on all sides.  That's an opinion.

Standing with a machine gun abducting old women and young children by any measure is not heroic, it just isn't.  That's a fact.

There is absolutely a difference between oppressor and the oppressed.  The Palestinians have been brutalised and driven to desperation.  The Israeli have chosen to brutalise. But f**king wise up suggesting it's heroic to abduct or murder unarmed civilians. Palestinians have been heroic in so many ways, but not that one.

It's also possible to call the Palestinian resistence heroic and understand the horrible realities of conflict/war and understand who bares the responsibility for it.

There should be no requirement for Palestinians to rise up against their oppressor, no requirement for them to take from the Israeli play book of abducting or murdering civilians but Israeli has created this reality.

and if you feel the need to question someone, try ursela von der leyen on twitter who repeats the genocidal call of 'Israel has the right to defend itself' and 'stands with Israel'.  i repeat the Palestinian resistence is heroic and I stand with Palestine. Dammi falastini 🇵🇸

[RedHand88]

Was Kingsmill heroic? Mountbatten?

Moronic stuff."What's good for the goose is good for the gander". What f**king age are you, you absolute child. Once you adopt that attitude, any sense of a moral high ground is immediately conceded.

Red Hand, just so you know, that's a "rhetorical" question, doesn't need an answer. Just to be clear in case you confuse a narrative technique for pretentiousness again.

I dont know if you are on about me but I have no idea what you are talking about, think you have mistaken me for someone else? I havent went near this all day and certainly didnt say anything like that.

[Armagh18]

Was Kingsmill heroic? Mountbatten?

Moronic stuff."What's good for the goose is good for the gander". What f**king age are you, you absolute child. Once you adopt that attitude, any sense of a moral high ground is immediately conceded.

Red Hand, just so you know, that's a "rhetorical" question, doesn't need an answer. Just to be clear in case you confuse a narrative technique for pretentiousness again.

Kingsmill was awful, but again if you've any understanding of what was happening you'll know why it happened and why it had to be done. Doubt you'll find too many pitying the pedo Mountbatten...

[Armagh18]

It is possible to fully support the plight of the Palestine people, and condemn the atrocities on all sides.  That's an opinion.

Standing with a machine gun abducting old women and young children by any measure is not heroic, it just isn't.  That's a fact.

There is absolutely a difference between oppressor and the oppressed.  The Palestinians have been brutalised and driven to desperation.  The Israeli have chosen to brutalise. But f**king wise up suggesting it's heroic to abduct or murder unarmed civilians. Palestinians have been heroic in so many ways, but not that one.

Absolutely.

[armaghniac]

Palestine is a profoundly depressing situation. You have all sorts in the US and places like Iran stirring trouble and the Palestinians come under the hammer. Yes, the Isrealis are bullying the Palestinians, but this comes against a background of Europeans trying to exterminate them and however well they try to get on with Palestinians the likes of Iran will still try and kill everyone in Israel.
Netanyahu doesn't even care about the people of Israel and the Iranians are suppressing their own people, so it doesn't seem as if they will care much for the Palestinians.
It is hopeless.

[LeoMc]

The years of brutalisation and oppression provide context but they do not provide justification for the murder of women and children.

Bloody Sunday does not justify Omagh.

[burdizzo]

and the Iranians are suppressing their own people, so it doesn't seem as if they will care much for the Palestinians.
It is hopeless.

That is actually true. The rest of the Arab world doesn't truly care for the Palestinians. They may pretend to once in a while for the sake of appearances, but in reality - they just don't.

[RedHand88]

Robbie Keane and Rory Delap have fled to Greece

[PadraicHenryPearse]

The years of brutalisation and oppression provide context but they do not provide justification for the murder of women and children.

Bloody Sunday does not justify Omagh.

no one is providing a justication for the the murder of children and non combatants. It is not only context, Israel has created this reality and bares the responsibility for it but the int. community is complicit.

I shared a link earlier to an Israeli speaking about the ethic cleansing of the native arab population of Palestine, Iran is nothing but a supplier of weapons,  logistics etc.  it should not be the Arab worlds responsibility to support justice for Palestine.

Palestinians are fighting for a just cause, their liberation from decades of this relentless savagery from the occupier. They gave peace every chance and were only rewarded by more land theft and murder and imprisonment.

[burdizzo]

it should not be the Arab worlds responsibility to support justice for Palestine.

Well, who's responsibility is it then?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

it should not be the Arab worlds responsibility to support justice for Palestine.

Well, who's responsibility is it then?

that should have read 'not only' but it should be those who created the issue, the int community, the fulfil of the UN resolutions,  and 'rules based order' of it actually meant anything.