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Title: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SCFC on July 27, 2017, 08:22:19 AM
Well,  Creedon is now gone. So new thread.
Who do we want? Let's be realistic too.
I'd gamble on Chris Conway.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 27, 2017, 08:56:50 AM
Pillar has this sewn up.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Joeythelips on July 27, 2017, 09:04:06 AM
Well looking at the brightside we can't get relegated whoever it is.  :D

Again like everyone else I would like to see a Laois man in charge but one with any sort of management experience are thin on the ground. Maybe a management team of former players, I thought Derek Conroy did a decent job when in charge of u-21s, Conway and Higgins have good experience while some on here suggest Clancy deserves a crack. If you could get 3 of those working together it could be a good set up and give them a couple of years to get things right. The targets are not earth shattering, get promotion from Div 4 and try and be the 3rd best team in Leinster, anything more is bonus territory.

One thing is for sure whoever gets it they have one serious difficult task ahead of them.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Joeythelips on July 27, 2017, 09:09:02 AM
Pillar has this sewn up.

I hope that is fiction, I would not even listen to the games on the radio if he was given the job.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 27, 2017, 09:09:59 AM
You'd have to think Billy Sheehan would be a great appointment.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 27, 2017, 09:11:47 AM
Joey the two or three involved in theory is a good thing but never works out like that.  I think it's a one man gig unless the others are happy to work under someone but you can's have them all as equals.  But make this next appointment a Laois one and not some auld fella the County Board are pals with. 

Clancy for me, not against Chris, Joe or Malachy.  But no way to Billy Sheehan
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: redsetanta on July 27, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
Is Billy Sheehan involved with the Cork senior footballers?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 27, 2017, 09:18:45 AM
A coach with them
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: welcomehome on July 27, 2017, 09:18:59 AM
i am sorry to  say i would have none of the people mentioned...They were good footballers,but not for laois manager....
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 27, 2017, 09:19:08 AM
Is Billy Sheehan involved with the Cork senior footballers?
He was.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on July 27, 2017, 09:21:53 AM
Billy Sheehan for me!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 27, 2017, 09:24:44 AM
Any of you ever had Billy Sheehan as a manager because Ballyroan did, good coach forget it as a manager.  He was part of a dreadful Cork set up who had a comeback against Mayo who had taken off most of their defence.  He would prepare us well for Waterford who Cork were all out to beat by a point.  Why are our own not good enough and mention anyone from anywhere else and instantly they are the man.  Billy Sheehan is not a Laois Man no matter how many of you waffle on about his dedication and commitment.  He is from Austin Stacks in Kerry he threw his hat in with Laois and Emo and when they did not work he tried to go to Kilcruise when that did not work he headed to St Judes and now his with Cork.   No he is not a Laois Man.

We don't have money so any talk of paying big bucks is not going to happen. 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SCFC on July 27, 2017, 09:31:10 AM
Billy Sheehan? If we paying that kind of bucks again, why not get someone decent? Get a Laois man in.
Anyway, I hear the job is already filled. Mick Dempsey in for a second term.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: redsetanta on July 27, 2017, 09:39:09 AM
Very good news if it's true SCFC. A much different animal than he was when he last managed us. Great contacts within the game and a man with vast experience and knowledge. Very highly thought of with our hurling neighbours. A great appointment id true.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on July 27, 2017, 09:41:01 AM
like i said interview all parties see who has that extra factor,if its higgins,malachy,conway,billy,clancy  you ring the clubs they have been
with see what they brought to there area the club the players get a feel for the guy your employing to do this very important job,this man has to have charisma a tactical brain but most of all this is the important bit lads COMMAND the respect of the players be no fool be strong be passionate about wanting to win and let that feed to the laois people to the backers of laois gaa that put money into this county set up,i for one think its an attractive job i would like players input into the whole thing,i dont want a bluffer i want to see a fit laois team playing with passion but playing to a plan and not the stuff we have all seen last couple of years
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on July 27, 2017, 09:44:24 AM
It'll be someone like John Evans, we can kid ourselves with the "Laois Man" appointment but won't happen.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 27, 2017, 09:50:14 AM
Mick Dempsey would you leave it out, shows your age.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: seafoid on July 27, 2017, 10:22:41 AM
Is there nobody from the golden generation of Laois football who could be guided by an older manager with experience as part of a 5 year plan? Laois are going around in circles at the moment.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 27, 2017, 10:48:42 AM
Is there nobody from the golden generation of Laois football who could be guided by an older manager with experience as part of a 5 year plan? Laois are going around in circles at the moment.
When was this golden generation? I must have missed it.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SCFC on July 27, 2017, 11:56:15 AM
Mick Dempsey would you leave it out, shows your age.
What does this mean?
I heard he's in line for the job and posted it here.
Don't attack the poster.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on July 27, 2017, 12:02:14 PM
Mick Dempsey would you leave it out, shows your age.

Sure he would never be good enough for us. What has he done anyway except play for Laois, manage Laois U21s and Seniors previously and win 8 hurling All-Irelands as a coach with Kilkenny. What would he know...
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 27, 2017, 12:11:49 PM
Right must contact Davy Fitz then, because winning hurling all Irelands and football are the same thing.  Its 15 years since he managed a club, 20 since a county and more than 20 since u21.  I never understood why we keep going back to him.  No slur on Mick he was top class when he was there,  but Gaelic Football has moved on.  Maybe he could come on Eamonn Kennedy's backroom team as that where his experience of late lies.

I know there are a lot of boys who have respect for Mick on here, but he has been involved in the appointing and interviewing of managers over the last few years and the results would not fill me with confidence.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on July 27, 2017, 12:27:35 PM
why do them lads guidence for jays sake there all nearly 40 years old,i no lads like malachy but he is over a team that was going for ten in row and with the best club quality on show he is my club team manager but i also would like him tested in a leeser club to see can he bring them up a level,higgins did that with kileen conway in tipperary and clancy no matter wat you say brought ballyraon up so it will be interesting to see wat graigue  do this weekend,,again interview them all
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: welcomehome on July 27, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
What people forget,there is a big difference in managing a club,than a county...
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 27, 2017, 12:36:00 PM
why do them lads guidence for jays sake there all nearly 40 years old,i no lads like malachy but he is over a team that was going for ten in row and with the best club quality on show he is my club team manager but i also would like him tested in a leeser club to see can he bring them up a level,higgins did that with kileen conway in tipperary and clancy no matter wat you say brought ballyraon up so it will be interesting to see wat graigue  do this weekend,,again interview them all

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Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 27, 2017, 12:37:49 PM
What people forget,there is a big difference in managing a club,than a county...

If that was the case only county managers would get county jobs.  Portlaoise at their best would prob operate comfortably in Div 3.  None of them could be worse than TOF, Lillis or  Creedon even if they tried.  Experience only matters with the top teams as they are operating at a certain level.  We are hiring washed out journey men that no one else wants,  I would rather gamble on our own and maybe we can manufacture a good one.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on July 27, 2017, 12:41:49 PM
why do them lads guidence for jays sake there all nearly 40 years old,i no lads like malachy but he is over a team that was going for ten in row and with the best club quality on show he is my club team manager but i also would like him tested in a leeser club to see can he bring them up a level,higgins did that with kileen conway in tipperary and clancy no matter wat you say brought ballyraon up so it will be interesting to see wat graigue  do this weekend,,again interview them all

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Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on July 27, 2017, 01:13:26 PM
Serious question, Is there a real appetite from our county board for us to be the best we can be?

I don't think so, too many CB members only interested in their own agenda for us as a county to be the best we can be.

GAA in this county is a mess, the only reason we get national attention in July is because we are the laughing stock of the GAA again. The good time boys of football.

No one decent will get it, a half hearted yes man who will do as he is told by our CB will get it. More money down the drain.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 27, 2017, 02:58:43 PM
Here are the potential candidates so far, I'm assuming they all want it ? ? ? ?

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/27/10-potential-candidates-laois-football-managers-job/
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on July 27, 2017, 04:14:45 PM
Here are the potential candidates so far, I'm assuming they all want it ? ? ? ?

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/07/27/10-potential-candidates-laois-football-managers-job/

There are some crazy options here!!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Laois Laois on July 27, 2017, 05:22:50 PM
Get rid of Kavangh when we are at it ... Management appointments during his tenure have been woeful at best
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 27, 2017, 05:36:19 PM
Get rid of Kavangh when we are at it ... Management appointments during his tenure have been woeful at best
He's gone. What stooge replaces him is another matter entirely.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 27, 2017, 06:15:08 PM
From RTE Sport

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Peter Creedon and his Laois management team have stepped away from their positions, after just one season in charge.

There had been speculation over the Cork native's position as Laois boss in recent days but Creedon has confirmed that he and his backroom members will not seek reappointment for 2018.

"Although we had the support of the County Board executive and the Laois players, we feel that staying on would have been divisive for the county, given the nature of a recent board meeting," Creedon said.

"This type of generalisation of there being a drink culture in the squad is deeply unfair and divisive given that we were aware of only one incident where three players were absent from an early training session on Easter Monday," he added.

"The management were not aware of any issues regarding a drinking culture and, in recent discussions with players, we found they were at a loss to explain or substantiate such rumours."

Creedon and his backroom team oversaw huge progression with the Tipperary footballers before Liam Kearns continued that project to great effect.

However, Creedon accepts that it was a disappointing season with Laois - they were relegated to Division 4 on the final day of the NFL and ultimately bowed out of the Championship against Clare.

"It was disappointing," the former Tipp manager said. "However, inches of a post were the difference to us being relegated or staying up and throughout the league we had a number of injuries to contend with.

"Trying to blood new players proved hard as well - but we accept that results were poor and that an inability to keep 15 players on the pitch ultimately led to relegation.

"The training increased in intensity for the championship, though, and our players responded with an emphatic victory over Longford. The improved levels of fitness and spirit in the team and our game-plan worked well on the day.

"Two weeks later, unfortunately, our second half performance against Kildare was very flat.

"We regrouped in the qualifiers and defeated Wicklow but then Clare proved to be too good for us in our last game of the season. Again, I felt our second half showing was again very flat once we were reduced to 14 men."
 

The outgoing management feel that Laois are in the midst of a rebuilding process and says that patience is now required.

"Constant reference to the 2003 All Ireland minor winning teams back-boning the current senior team is now irrelevant," Creedon continued.

"Unfortunately, as we tried to bring new players in, we found a lack of understanding from keyboard warriors, and some club delegates. A fairer analysis of results over the last four years will show that Laois have slipped and are now playing catch up with Kildare and Meath, in particular, in Leinster.
"The County Board has put in place fantastic training facilities and excellent mentors for the underage development squads. If all parties in Laois pull together those investments will pay dividends.

"With a dedicated and unified group of young players they can work their way back to the top," Creedon said.

"We leave with our heads held high. The officials of the county board supported us all year and everything that we asked for was given to the panel. We had an excellent medical team, great kit men, and a panel of genuine players who gave huge effort to the cause. Maybe the results did not reflect their effort but they gave 100 per cent to all training sessions and games."
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 27, 2017, 07:01:10 PM
Bye Peter thanks for reading, should have gone sooner or better still return your expenses.   It was on your watch that this county sank to it's lowest level in nearly 50 years.  Cork are looking for a new manager I am sure you will be top of their list.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The Monument Road on July 27, 2017, 09:33:14 PM
why do them lads guidence for jays sake there all nearly 40 years old,i no lads like malachy but he is over a team that was going for ten in row and with the best club quality on show he is my club team manager but i also would like him tested in a leeser club to see can he bring them up a level,higgins did that with kileen conway in tipperary and clancy no matter wat you say brought ballyraon up so it will be interesting to see wat graigue  do this weekend,,again interview them all
Ah lads give him a chance. You have to read it backwards. Makes more sense ;D
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unlaoised on July 27, 2017, 09:41:58 PM
Pete mcgrath is hardly going to travel from Down 😁😁😁😁

If he did he would be a great mentor to one or two that are mentioned on the list .


I seen 4 of these lads at the match tonight
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 27, 2017, 10:26:52 PM
A committed and fit Laois team will/would get promotion from Division 4 next year. In that regard it is a relatively attractive job for someone starting off.
A mentor would be useful
Tommy Lyons? Billy Morgan (if he doesn't get the Cork job)?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 27, 2017, 10:53:06 PM
A committed and fit Laois team will/would get promotion from Division 4 next year. In that regard it is a relatively attractive job for someone starting off.
A mentor would be useful
Tommy Lyons? Billy Morgan (if he doesn't get the Cork job)?
Jesus, Billy Morgan isnt going to bother his hole travel to Laois at his age.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 27, 2017, 11:51:44 PM
A committed and fit Laois team will/would get promotion from Division 4 next year. In that regard it is a relatively attractive job for someone starting off.
A mentor would be useful
Tommy Lyons? Billy Morgan (if he doesn't get the Cork job)?
Jesus, Billy Morgan isnt going to bother his hole travel to Laois at his age.

If the man is a realistic contender for the Cork job (and we are told he is) age isn't a problem.
You are talking about less than two hours of a drive (on a motorway) for a job that has no huge responsibility or workload and that would be fairly well compensated
If we can afford Creedon and his extensive backroom team, we can afford a Laois man plus an experienced advisor (who wouldn't be required every night).

I don't know whether he would or wouldn't be bothered his hole, but age obviously isn't a factor when his club mate is on national TV proposing him for the job.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Dave like the tv channel on July 27, 2017, 11:54:51 PM
like i said interview all parties see who has that extra factor,if its higgins,malachy,conway,billy,clancy  you ring the clubs they have been
with see what they brought to there area the club the players get a feel for the guy your employing to do this very important job,this man has to have charisma a tactical brain but most of all this is the important bit lads COMMAND the respect of the players be no fool be strong be passionate about wanting to win and let that feed to the laois people to the backers of laois gaa that put money into this county set up,i for one think its an attractive job i would like players input into the whole thing,i dont want a bluffer i want to see a fit laois team playing with passion but playing to a plan and not the stuff we have all seen last couple of years

Christ, James Joyce has nothing on you.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 28, 2017, 01:08:14 AM
Creedon: Drinking allegations made us look like 'laughing stocks'

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=273622

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Outgoing Laois football manager Peter Creedon has once again denied that there was a drink culture within his squad.
Speaking on the RTE GAA Podcast today, the Cork native strongly rejected the allegations which were raised by delegates at a county board meeting two weeks ago, saying that the suggestions made the players and management look like "laughing stocks".
"Not once throughout the whole year did any person come to me or Gary (Kavanagh) or Tom (McKettrick), who were based and living in Laois, with information regarding players constantly drinking or whatever," he told RTÉ's GAA Podcast.
"I wasn't following the players around all the time but to the best of our knowledge there wasn't a drink culture there and it was really bad form to have it splashed across the media because not only does it make the players and ourselves look like laughing stocks, it's not a positive reflection on Laois either.
"Some of the things that were being said about us in Laois were just off the wall really."
The O’Moore men suffered relegation to Division 4 of the National League and 10-point qualifier defeat to Clare in the championship during Creedon’s sole season in charge, with Creedon claiming to have had only one discipline issue with players during the year.
"There was one morning were three players failed to show but they were dealt with. One player didn't play for two championship matches after that as a consequence for his actions,” he said.
"We were being accused of being too quiet and too nice with the players but at the same time we were slowly putting in place the actual structures needed going forward."
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: seafoid on July 28, 2017, 01:12:19 AM
Banty
Turlough O Brien
James Horan
Whoever the Mullinalaghta manager is

Just get a manager and stop shitehawking
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 28, 2017, 08:34:48 AM
A committed and fit Laois team will/would get promotion from Division 4 next year. In that regard it is a relatively attractive job for someone starting off.
A mentor would be useful
Tommy Lyons? Billy Morgan (if he doesn't get the Cork job)?
Jesus, Billy Morgan isnt going to bother his hole travel to Laois at his age.

If the man is a realistic contender for the Cork job (and we are told he is) age isn't a problem.
You are talking about less than two hours of a drive (on a motorway) for a job that has no huge responsibility or workload and that would be fairly well compensated
If we can afford Creedon and his extensive backroom team, we can afford a Laois man plus an experienced advisor (who wouldn't be required every night).

I don't know whether he would or wouldn't be bothered his hole, but age obviously isn't a factor when his club mate is on national TV proposing him for the job.
Ah would you stop, I saw Billy Morgan a few months ago and the man looks like another clean shirt would do him. Where the f**k would we be going asking that man to drive to Laois 3 times a week? Morgan is a dyed in the wool Cork man as well, what f**king interest would he have bothering his hole in Laois? Theres no Teddy Mc in Billy Morgan. Lets try and be realistic here.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on July 28, 2017, 08:56:03 AM
Creeden has more to say since he lost his job than he has all year. Obviously getting his speak in early for his next gig.

He failed to mention though that Laois were probably the most unfit team in Ireland or they were tactically inept in every facet of the game.

The drinking of a few doesn't cover up for the fact that Peter and his mgt team oversaw the worst year in Laois senior football in living memory and the year was an unmitigated disaster.

The manager has to take some responsibility.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on July 28, 2017, 09:37:48 AM
Creeden has more to say since he lost his job than he has all year. Obviously getting his speak in early for his next gig.

He failed to mention though that Laois were probably the most unfit team in Ireland or they were tactically inept in every facet of the game.

The drinking of a few doesn't cover up for the fact that Peter and his mgt team oversaw the worst year in Laois senior football in living memory and the year was an unmitigated disaster.

The manager has to take some responsibility.

And the CB wanted to reappoint him!!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SpeculativeEffort on July 28, 2017, 09:38:17 AM
Why dont we go after Dessie Farrell or someone else who is cutting their teeth in Dublin football. That is who the whole country is chasing. He would put structures in place and bring professionalism anyway.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 28, 2017, 10:28:53 AM
Ah would you stop, I saw Billy Morgan a few months ago and the man looks like another clean shirt would do him.

I guess you know more than Tomas O Se so with regard to his health, energy levels and current capabilities. 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 28, 2017, 10:50:06 AM
Ah would you stop, I saw Billy Morgan a few months ago and the man looks like another clean shirt would do him.

I guess you know more than Tomas O Se so with regard to his health, energy levels and current capabilities.
TOS put his name forward for the Cork job, not the f**king Laois one, some 200KM away. Seriously, catch yourself on a bit.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 28, 2017, 11:03:35 AM
Ah would you stop, I saw Billy Morgan a few months ago and the man looks like another clean shirt would do him.

I guess you know more than Tomas O Se so with regard to his health, energy levels and current capabilities.
TOS put his name forward for the Cork job, not the f**king Laois one, some 200KM away. Seriously, catch yourself on a bit.

So a man that could MANAGE Cork- a job with serious pressure, expectation, scrutiny and criticism, is not capable of sitting in a car 2-3 times a week, travelling (or being driven) up a motorway for a couple of hours and acting as an advisor?
I never proposed him as Laois manager.

He may well have no interest in such a position, but TOS thinking he is fit to manage Cork and you making him out to be some sort of invalid doesn't exactly square up.
I think I'll go with TOS' judgement on this one.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on July 28, 2017, 11:17:07 AM
Ah would you stop, I saw Billy Morgan a few months ago and the man looks like another clean shirt would do him.

I guess you know more than Tomas O Se so with regard to his health, energy levels and current capabilities.
TOS put his name forward for the Cork job, not the f**king Laois one, some 200KM away. Seriously, catch yourself on a bit.

So a man that could MANAGE Cork- a job with serious pressure, expectation, scrutiny and criticism, is not capable of sitting in a car 2-3 times a week, travelling (or being driven) up a motorway for a couple of hours and acting as an advisor?
I never proposed him as Laois manager.

He may well have no interest in such a position, but TOS thinking he is fit to manage Cork and you making him out to be some sort of invalid doesn't exactly square up.
I think I'll go with TOS' judgement on this one.
You're a crazy man, crazy. Insane. Off the reservation. Loola. Dippy. Deeply.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Andy06 on July 28, 2017, 12:00:43 PM
Creeden has more to say since he lost his job than he has all year. Obviously getting his speak in early for his next gig.

He failed to mention though that Laois were probably the most unfit team in Ireland or they were tactically inept in every facet of the game.

The drinking of a few doesn't cover up for the fact that Peter and his mgt team oversaw the worst year in Laois senior football in living memory and the year was an unmitigated disaster.

The manager has to take some responsibility.

And the CB wanted to reappoint him!!

For this reason alone there should be joyous celebrations when that collective bunch of muppets stand down.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on July 28, 2017, 12:35:42 PM
Get a Laois man in. Save money. We don't need an outside manager to come in for a couple of years and then leave. We'll likely get promoted, whoever we get. But it's not going to be a vintage year. Get the fitness levels up, get a panel of committed players, and that's it. That's all we can hope for in 2018 as it'll be a good few years before we're properly competitive again. Focus on underage now for a few years and senior will take care of itself. Some of the outside names being mentioned are absolutely ridiculous. Conway or Malachy would do well. Maybe Clancy at a push. Doesn't really matter. Just make sure we have committed players and fitness. Tactics is a bonus. Nevermind the journeymen like Banty. We do not need that again.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbbey on July 28, 2017, 01:22:05 PM
Realistically it doesn't matter who we get in they will be under pressure from the start from supporters, a few bad performances in the league or even the o'byrne cup and their head will be called for, whats a realistic target for laois next year, probably getting out of division 4, beating anyone in leinster outside of dublin, kildare and meath and beating a division 4 or lower division 3 team in the qualifiers
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on July 28, 2017, 01:22:46 PM
Why dont we go after Dessie Farrell or someone else who is cutting their teeth in Dublin football. That is who the whole country is chasing. He would put structures in place and bring professionalism anyway.

The structures in Dublin cost millions every year from club revenue and directly from Croke Park. They also have a population of 1.2 million. Nobody will be able to replicate that in Laois. We do need to take a leaf from other counties though and learn how to develop players from 16 to 23 into athletes. As well as the lack of football skills, the difference in the physical conditioning between our senior club / county footballers and other counties is staggering. The likes of Dublin, Mayo, Kildare, Kerry are starting to produce lads that are physically transformed and look more like aussie rules players by the time they are 23 or 24. That is what Creedon meant when he said there is a five year journey. Even if you have the footballers, to compete at a modern level you have to have it all -

Skill, Pace, organization, physicality, athleticism, commitment, belief.

We at the moment, have none of the above.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: GAA-SMART on July 28, 2017, 02:34:10 PM
We wouldnt beat the top teams in Division 1 Dublin at the moment, maybe compete strongly against mid table ones, that is the reality.  Maybe it takes a Laois guy to take the team, but he has to be given the time required to do the job, we cant keep blaming guys, Cian O Neill for example is on record as saying it takes 3 years for a full plan to be integrated longer term, we need that plan and we need it now.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on July 28, 2017, 04:15:51 PM
Malachy is from my own club but look he has not been the best manager the club has had,i said before he is manager of portlaoise that were going for ten in a row so the players he inherited were winners already,he lost it on the line along with tommy in last years final which was plain too see,Conway for me i havent seen him with a senior side yet i mean inspiring the lesser clubs,,joe has a good record clancy made progress in Ballyroan,,also john sugru is another name worth mentioning,,,i want a laois man also like tony says i hope we get one
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 28, 2017, 05:03:17 PM
john sugru is another name worth mentioning,,,i want a laois man also like tony says i hope we get one

So John Sugrue is a Laois man now, is he ? ?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on July 28, 2017, 05:25:18 PM
List of candidates from the Leinster Express

While Peter Creedon's departure was only confirmed this morning, thoughts have invariably turned to who will replace him at the helm of the Laois senior football team.
It is a massive task facing whoever is handed the reins in the coming weeks or months. With the support base fractured and football in general suffering from widespread apathy, perhaps a local man is best qualified to unite the county and bring some buzz and confidence back to the set up.
Below, we list off the best of the potential candidates from within the county, while also listing some possible candidates from beyond the Laois border.

1. Joe Higgins
Has been in the running in the past, and of the local candidates, has one of the strongest CVs going. Managed the Laois Ladies to an All-Ireland semi-final, as well as taking Arles-Killeen to a county final, while he also had a spell in charge of Graiguecullen. A hugely popular figure with the Laois support base.
2. Malachy McNulty
Brought Portlaoise to the Leinster club final in 2015, which they narrowly lost to Ballyboden St Enda's. Contested the Laois SFC final last year too, which they lost to Stradbally, but still highly regarded in the club. Thorough and very well prepared, he may not have had a playing career to match some other candidates on this list but he has done well in management thus far. How he fares this year with Portlaoise, who look like they will be missing a handful of regulars, will be a big test of his managerial acumen.

3. John Sugrue
He was apparently the players choice to replace Mick Lillis, the Kerry man has been based in Laois for a number of years now. Has previously worked with Kerry at U-21 and senior level, and has also coached at development squad level with Laois. Runs his own physiotherapy practice in Portlaoise, and has played for Park-Ratheniska, so would have a good knowledge of the local club scene, and of what talent is coming through.
4. Chris Conway
Still playing for Arles-Kilcruise, Conway has been doing impressive work with Knockbeg, who continue to compete in the Leinster Colleges 'A' championship. He won a Tipperary SFC title with Thomas McDonagh's, an area team eligible to pick from nine different clubs in North Tipperary, back in 2011. He has been touted in the past for the minor job, given his success at Knockbeg.
5. Padraig Clancy
Like Higgins and Conway, a hugely popular figure around the county from his time playing. He is relatively green in management circles, with two years in charge of Ballyroan Abbey under his belt. He is currently in charge of Graiguecullen, a side many are expecting big things from this year, so the coming months will tell us more about his managerial ability.
6. Derek Conroy
Another former player, he had a spell in charge of the Laois U-21s, and got some good performances out of them. He has managed at club level in Laois, so has a good handle on what talent is out there. Having done well with many of the players that need to be introduced to the senior panel, if he's not the manager, having him involved in some form could be very beneficial.


OUTSIDE CANDIDATES

Martin Murphy (Offaly)
Has lead Stradbally to two SFC titles, in separate decades, and has shown himself astute in preparing teams. It would be a significant jump for the Gracefield club man to make, but he has a good record in the county.
Colin Kelly (Louth)
Lead the Wee County to back-to-back league promotions in 2016 and 2017, although they didn't particularly impress in the championship. Improved Louth all the same, and is on the market now after stepping down after this year's championship defeat.
Pete McGrath (Down)
Was in charge of the Fermanagh team which impressively accounted for Laois in the NFL last year, he also brought them to an All-Ireland quarter-final and Division 2 of the NFL. Universally respected, and having twice managed the Down minor team, he has a good record in working and improving young players, which any prospective manager must have. Down is long way north for the commute, but the motorway makes things easier.
Fergal O'Donnell (Roscommon)
An impressive track record with his native county, he won an All-Ireland minor title back in 2006, their first in 55 years, and won Connacht titles with Roscommon as a player and manager (in 2010). Took a second stint in charge of the Roscommon minors, getting them to an All-Ireland semi-final, before going back in charge of the senior team, in a joint arrangement with Kevin McStay. Stepped down from that role late last year.
Anthony Cunningham (Galway)
Worked with the panel in 2016 during Mick Lillis' tenure, he was well received by the players, who had hoped he might have stayed on. Obviously known for his exploits with the Galway hurlers, he has a strong football record also, and would at least have some background in working within Laois.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on July 28, 2017, 05:40:08 PM
If we want to get the best manager possible, Pete McGrath is head and shoulders above all the others being mentioned.

If we want to try to nurture some homegrown managerial talent, then my vote would go to Chris Conway.

I'm not sure which strategy is the best one.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Butch Cassidy on July 28, 2017, 06:32:57 PM
A combined team of Pete and Conway would be good Giovanni.

The next appointment is crucial and hope getting relegated doesn't restrict the financial side of getting in a good management team.

It's a tough job though but you see teams getting momentum  and going from division 4 to division 2 but you need everyone putting their shoulder to the wheel.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on July 28, 2017, 06:48:16 PM
The appointments over the last few years have been crucial, too Butch. When TOF came in, that was the real time to get an excellent manager - a time when we had a decent squad at a good age bracket to do something of note. 4 years and 3 unsuccessful managers later, it's too late to do anything of note. Justin McNulty had them on the right track, we just needed to refine it. TOF, Lillis and PC have been disasters. Now we're at sea at senior, really. We'll have to focus on underage now. Forget Pete McGrath, that is NOT going to happen. Get the Laois option, someone decent, and focus on underage. Pete M and his team would be ridiculously expensive and for what? We're division 4. We need to transition now and build for the next 5 - 10 years with quality underage coaching and structures. If Pete McGrath arrives, do you think he'll be in Laois in 2022? No way. It's got to be a cheaper Laois man option - we've got to look at the long term now rather than a knee jerk appointment like that.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Gmac on July 28, 2017, 07:49:27 PM
Get Ross in as manager knows who the fakers are ,knows what it takes to be successful and would have respect of everyone in county , what have we got to lose
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Butch Cassidy on July 28, 2017, 08:21:30 PM
Good points Tony. Does anyone close to the underage setup know if the structures are in place and we're making improvements? U17s were good this year but we need that consistently over the next 5-10 years like Kildare are doing at minor.

Big urban areas like Portlaoise, Portarlington, Mountmellick and Graigue need to targeted as they are not producing enough senior footballers.

Portlaoise seem to have fallen back at underage with St Paul's, Ballyroan and Portarlington doing well. Why is this?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on July 29, 2017, 02:51:06 PM
I wouldn't have thought that Fermanagh have much financial  clout and they were able to afford him. I would be against the idea of going for the cheaper option just because it's cheaper.

I think the idea of going for a Laois manager is right as long as it's not just a shot in the dark. The problem is that it will be a shot in the dark with most of the Laois  candidates being mentioned.

If there is a genuine belief that Chris Conway or Joe Higgins should be given until 2022 (which I doubt), then it seems sensible to have someone like Pete McGrath involved in the short term.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on July 29, 2017, 03:23:19 PM
It's highly unlikely that Pete McGrath would like to manage Laois. Besides, reading the article below, it's hard to see why we would want him anyway. Usually, the players know best as they're working with the manager face to face multiple times a week. Voting him out on a vote of 21 - 9 doesn't say a lot about Fermanagh players confidence in him at all.

http://www.irishnews.com/sport/gaafootball/2017/07/17/news/mcgrath-points-finger-at-players-1085706/

In reality, the only men we can get from outside the county are journeymen, looking for a bit of cash on the side. They have no real passion for Laois. As a division 4 team, we cannot attract anyone decent from outside the county. It's simply not an attractive job for any good manager with a good track record.

It's got to be a passionate Laois man, with a bit of good experience, well respected, and has a plan to take us forward. That's realistically the best we can get. We're not knocking on the doors of the top tier anymore - we have to be realistic about who we can get.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 29, 2017, 03:55:48 PM
Tony you coming over to the dark side?  Clancy for me hopefully I am right and he can get a tune out of Graigue in this year's championship.  I think he was underrated in Ballyroan and he did a big job down here.  I could be wrong and he could be dreadful with Graigue but I do feel he has an X Factor that few have .  I am sure Don will call me an idiot but we shall see.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Target Man on July 29, 2017, 04:11:39 PM
I don't really care if we go outside or inside, just get whoever we think is best. Selection of outside candidates likely to be limited.

Im surprised John Sugrue is not being mentioned more, seems like the outstanding local candidate to me. The rest of the local candidates seem ,looking purely at results, to be a bit of a gamble. I think Conway would be good, but as with most of others hasnt enough of a record to make him a definite 1st choice for job. Mark Rooney, imo, has as good a record as most mentioned in this thread

If we go outside we need to get it right (easier said than done). Stay away from the Banty/Cribbin/Flanagan circuit of managers. In an ideal world I'd like James Horan but close to 0 chance of that. Someone like Colm Collins (if doesnt go back to Clare) might be an option, he has done a serious job with Clare.

The backroom team will be as important as the manager. County board needs to appoint the right man and back him fully. I see clubs meant to have nominations in by Fri. Seems very rushed, if one was of a suspicious nature one might think there is some sharp practice going on
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on July 29, 2017, 04:27:13 PM
I wouldn't complain too much if John Sugrue got the job either. He's based in Laois and is highly regarded. He didn't want the job a couple of years ago after the players looked to get him as manager but who knows, maybe things have changed.

This will be a 3-5 year job for someone to get Laois back to decent standard again, the the incoming manager ought to know that. I wish we had a Laois based man similar to Cian O' Neill in Kildare. He's doing a fantastic job there in fairness. Tactically astute, focus on S&C, progressive, passionate about his own county. Do we have any of that description in Laois? If he's missing one of those key 4 components, he's not going to be successful in the long-term. I fear that we'll get someone the standard of Lillis or TOF to be honest. We haven't made a good appointment since Justin McNulty.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on July 29, 2017, 06:51:52 PM
Club Nominations not worth a jot,  they are a PR exercise the appointment completely in the hands of the executive.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on July 29, 2017, 09:13:13 PM
We beat Armagh 3 times last year - Twice in the championship and once in the league. And now here they are a year later looking good for their quarter final appearance after a great performance VS a Kildare team who annihilated us earlier this year.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 29, 2017, 09:42:38 PM
We beat Armagh 3 times last year - Twice in the championship and once in the league. And now here they are a year later looking good for their quarter final appearance after a great performance VS a Kildare team who annihilated us earlier this year.

Bring back Mick Lillis!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on July 29, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
Ballyroanabu I agree with you ,,your team was in half the shape last night compared to last year and looked a lot of the time as if yee  didn't no what yer were at? I just see the difference in pat and Clancy,, tonite I seen my own club manager look clueless at times mail struggled,,port should have cleaned out Killeen but tactically were all wrong look a good side with a good manager over them would cause problems, looking forward to the games tmw
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on July 29, 2017, 11:50:09 PM
I wish we had a Laois based man similar to Cian O' Neill in Kildare. He's doing a fantastic job there in fairness. Tactically astute, focus on S&C, progressive, passionate about his own county. Do we have any of that description in Laois?

Interestingly, back in the day (possibly as McNulty's replacement) Cian's name was once proposed on Laoistalk and was derided by several posters.
Even more interestingly I heard his name mentioned in the presence of a relatively influential CB member (probably even more influential now!) and he repeated almost verbatim the reasons from Laoistalk as to why he shouldn't be offered the job!

I'm fairly sure Cian was still with Tipp hurlers at the time & it was wondered would he be interested in going out on his own!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: on the hop on July 30, 2017, 09:30:02 AM
We beat Armagh 3 times last year - Twice in the championship and once in the league. And now here they are a year later looking good for their quarter final appearance after a great performance VS a Kildare team who annihilated us earlier this year.

Armagh were in superb shape, unreal fitness levels in fairness for both teams. That takes serious commitment but unfortunately we have players not interested in reaching that level
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on July 30, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
I think we should take heart from Armagh's unbelievable turnaround during the year and their performance last night. If they can do it, why not Laois? We need to put in place a good regime headed by a dedicated man aided by good coaches. We need to select 20 to 25 players from the county who dont't just want to wear the jersey, but who are committed enough to make sacrifices. Some complain that we do not have good defenders, and this may be true, but surely, with the right coach, good defenders can be produced. And the same goes for other areas on the field.

We can make progress, but we need the right man in charge and a good support system for him and the players. The County Board have failed badly in past, but they must get it right now and find a man who is determined to turn things around for Laois.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: OTF on July 30, 2017, 03:46:54 PM
We beat Armagh 3 times last year - Twice in the championship and once in the league. And now here they are a year later looking good for their quarter final appearance after a great performance VS a Kildare team who annihilated us earlier this year.

True..... but we wouldn't want to lose sight of the fact that we are a team in decline in both age and in terms of new talent coming through. Armagh on the other hand have a lot of young players coming through and they have Jamie Clarke back.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 01, 2017, 10:10:16 AM
Now the strength and conditioning coach speaks out..
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/01/laois-sc-coach-says-players-management-made-laughing-stock/
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 01, 2017, 10:59:16 AM
Now the strength and conditioning coach speaks out..
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/01/laois-sc-coach-says-players-management-made-laughing-stock/ ;D
f**k him, who does he think he is giving interviews? Jackie Cahill can piss off too digging up shite on us. He should be told where to go the next time he arrives on Fr Browne Avenue. That fella going on about wondering about getting back into the intercounty game, a prerequisite of getting a job as a S&C coach is proof that you can actually get a team fit. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 01, 2017, 11:33:40 AM
Now the strength and conditioning coach speaks out..
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/01/laois-sc-coach-says-players-management-made-laughing-stock/

Agree with the above. What basis was there for this guy been giving a platform in national papers?
You came in, got paid (probably cash), it didn't work out. Now you are threatening to never again make your expertise available to intercounty teams!
I think a Special Congress should be called immediately to pass a motion ensuring this doesn't happen!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 01, 2017, 11:55:05 AM
I think they're all jumping on the bandwagon trying to get their names in the papers, the man should be ashamed to call himself a S&C coach looking at the fitness of our senior panel.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unlaoised on August 01, 2017, 12:07:26 PM
I think they're all jumping on the bandwagon trying to get their names in the papers, the man should be ashamed to call himself a S&C coach looking at the fitness of our senior panel.

This.....I haven't said too much on the whole thing...

I got the impression that he was very easy on the players hence they all liked him and they were not as fit as they should have been.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 01, 2017, 12:11:35 PM
Spare a thought for this guy, he could lose his job because of a rumour about a few players having a pint. Give me a break.

Hes has some neck coming out in the papers, but lets not lose track of the real mudslinger here, eh Jackie?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 01, 2017, 05:21:07 PM
Spare a thought for this guy, he could lose his job because of a rumour about a few players having a pint. Give me a break.

Hes has some neck coming out in the papers, but lets not lose track of the real mudslinger here, eh Jackie?

Interesting that the Tipp boys in the National media are coming out to bat for Creedon! Cahill and Lawlor are doing a good job of ensuring that Creedon comes out of this with his hands clean.
An important selling point for the County Boards of the many other manager less counties around!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 01, 2017, 07:01:47 PM
In fairness to Creedon, if we're solely discussing the DRINKING issue, I do believe him when he says he didn't know about it. It seems to me that a LOT of people involved, if not almost ALL people involved with laois this year, INCLUDING nearly all players, did not know about it.

Do we have a DEFINITIVE story on what actually happened? There are so, so many different tales passed off as truth. I can only imagine that a very small amount of players were involved and not often (ie once or twice). It certainly doesn't sound like a "drinking culture" throughout most of the squad. I'd love to know who was drinking, how regularly etc. They've no business being in a Laois jersey if it was prolonged. Give your place to someone who wants it more than you, who deserves it more than you.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Give and Go on August 01, 2017, 07:11:53 PM
County Board meetings are strange places. Its too easy make an unsubstantiated statement about players / management and walk away after destroying reputations. It shouldn't be allowed happen like that.

A couple of things strike me in these situations

The first criticism that is usually heard after a loss is .... they weren't fit. Usually based on little evidence, usually an opinion not a fact. To make a determination on fitness one would need to see fitness test results and training data.

Players on teams coached by Creedon seem to rate him highly. I am not equating like him with rating him. They rate him.

Many of the panel have been competing on the inter county scene for quite a long time now and perhaps that extra couple of percent in performance levels needed to be competitive isn't there any longer.

The panel is not as strong as in previous years and it is a time of transition.

Expectations of supporters are unrealistic.

No reason to not support the players or management next year; anyone playing for the county deserves respect and not these deplorable headlines.

I know one top inter county footballer, in another county, who quit because of the vile abuse he suffered by anonymous posters on forums. Comments should never be abusive or personal of players or managers.

It isn't all about the manager. All partners in a county - the County Executive, clubs, players, supporters are culpable for the environment around playing for a county. It can be toxic or supportive.

Leadership from the top is crucial in setting a county on the right trajectory.

It would be great to see a Laois man take the reins; the only way to improve coaching in the county is to give opportunities to local coaches / managers.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: seafoid on August 01, 2017, 07:31:23 PM
Is there nobody in Laois with a bit of money to help the footballers ?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 02, 2017, 07:56:41 AM

The first criticism that is usually heard after a loss is .... they weren't fit. Usually based on little evidence, usually an opinion not a fact. To make a determination on fitness one would need to see fitness test results and training data.

They werent fit.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 02, 2017, 08:52:45 AM
This is what Ross thinks about this sorry mess...
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/02/munnelly-hits-creedons-critics-says-future-undecided/
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 02, 2017, 09:51:18 AM
Peter Creedon and his backroom staff did not get reappointment because they were dreadful.  All this "spinning" shows to me that he is a clever fellow, however as a coach he was dreadful.  Any other counties S&C coach come out like this,  he should be ashamed of himself as Laois were in poor condition this year.  He was dreadful.   It's time we ignore the Newspapers and have a look at whats actually going on, fact or fiction.  As I have said before this strategic review is a waste of paper as there are too many Laois men involved with vested interests.

High Fielder if it's so easy coach defense why are more not doing it, your talking only 2-3 counties doing it properly.    I do think it can be coached myself but why are more not doing it and I don't think they are all stupid.


Just a thought is it possible that the reason so many of the Laois players liked the setup was the fact it was too cosy, a few could have been livened up.  It just seemed too happy for a ship that was sinking. 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Joeythelips on August 02, 2017, 09:53:16 AM
County Board meetings are strange places. Its too easy make an unsubstantiated statement about players / management and walk away after destroying reputations. It shouldn't be allowed happen like that.

A couple of things strike me in these situations

The first criticism that is usually heard after a loss is .... they weren't fit. Usually based on little evidence, usually an opinion not a fact. To make a determination on fitness one would need to see fitness test results and training data.

Players on teams coached by Creedon seem to rate him highly. I am not equating like him with rating him. They rate him.

Many of the panel have been competing on the inter county scene for quite a long time now and perhaps that extra couple of percent in performance levels needed to be competitive isn't there any longer.

The panel is not as strong as in previous years and it is a time of transition.

Expectations of supporters are unrealistic.

No reason to not support the players or management next year; anyone playing for the county deserves respect and not these deplorable headlines.

I know one top inter county footballer, in another county, who quit because of the vile abuse he suffered by anonymous posters on forums. Comments should never be abusive or personal of players or managers.

It isn't all about the manager. All partners in a county - the County Executive, clubs, players, supporters are culpable for the environment around playing for a county. It can be toxic or supportive.

Leadership from the top is crucial in setting a county on the right trajectory.

It would be great to see a Laois man take the reins; the only way to improve coaching in the county is to give opportunities to local coaches / managers.

Good post. I know the reports going around about players drinking and the like is what makes headlines but I think it is fair to say that most people don't judge the management on this despite whatever is said at county board meetings.

Peter Creedon I'm sure worked very hard and is very well respected judging by players comments (especially senior players like JOL and Munnelly), but as with any management team in any sport they are judged on performances and results.

Fair enough he only had one season and it can be argued that the standard of football in the county is very low and he does not have a big pool of top class footballers to form a really competitive panel who push each other to be successful, but his job is to manage the resources at his disposal and going on what we saw this year he could not get the best out of the players at his disposal.

One main complaint among supporters that kept cropping up was fitness levels. I have not seen Laois play in the flesh this year and have only watched highlights of games so cannot judge, but I have spoken to people and read a lot of comments which indicate that fitness was a big issue, I spoke to someone who was at the Kildare game who said they players struggling fitness wise after 20 mins. Again this is second hand information but the fact that this complaint arises a lot would suggest it is an issue. You are right it would be nice to see some data regarding it but people are entitled to judge with their eyes.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unlaoised on August 02, 2017, 11:19:28 AM
I was at five league games and all the championship games ..

Laois were not fit this year ...End of story...I don't care what the players say...I know we have a few the wrong side of 30 and a few with miles on the clock but they were blowing out of their arses more times this year in the first half in games it wasn't even funny.

We lost big leads to Sligo and died in other games including offaly this seemed to blamed on disipline but in truth one man shouldn't make a massive difference.


The same against Clare in the last game they were running at us in droves and O'Loughlin getting sent off didn't change that.

Wicklow late on we nearly the the game go...Wicklow in all fairness.

Creedon might be a nice man and have a top team in place which the players liked but that top team didn't get the best or even 3/4 of the best out of some of our players in my opinion .

He was backed into a corner a bit from delegates rash statements about drinking etc but maybe its for the best he went.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 02, 2017, 11:25:45 AM
time for nominations
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 02, 2017, 12:09:00 PM
I wouldn't dispute that we weren't sufficiently fit this year however all the fitness in the world won't make slow guys fast.

For most of the league and all of the championship we could not handle pace. Longford troubled us with pace, Kildare and Clare destroyed us for pace. We couldn't keep up with them without fouling them and we couldn't get away from them when we had the ball. I believe that if we were the fittest team in the country this year it would have made very little difference to our fortunes.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The Monument Road on August 02, 2017, 12:31:54 PM
time for nominations
. Nominations are futile as IMO the next manager has already been decided upon. It will be interesting to see what club nominates the Ex Louth football manager.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 02, 2017, 01:17:59 PM
Who is that?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 02, 2017, 01:24:05 PM
good god
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 02, 2017, 01:24:20 PM
Who is that?

Colin Kelly steps down as Louth manager following Longford defeat

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Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on August 02, 2017, 02:13:24 PM
Kelly?  Someone on this forum else said that Mick Dempsey was the next manager. I think there is a bit of kite flying going on here.

Having made repeated disastrous appointments in the past, surely the CB are doing to consult before they make another bad decision.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 02, 2017, 03:22:09 PM
lets hope gerry leaves us with some form of legacy because he hasnt been great at the top job
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unlaoised on August 02, 2017, 04:35:45 PM
Colm Kelly is a strong rumour doing the rounds...Story is he is mad for the Job...
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: redsetanta on August 02, 2017, 04:42:35 PM
Stability is what's needed no another fly by manager.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 02, 2017, 05:02:08 PM
Colm Kelly is a strong rumour doing the rounds...Story is he is mad for the Job...
Is it Colm Kelly from St. Joseph's or Colin Kelly, former Louth manager you mean?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 02, 2017, 05:21:29 PM
colm kelly my arse ,his love of laois thats why he wants the job,local man young and energetic  save money in process thats way forward
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on August 02, 2017, 06:01:58 PM
Is it Colm Or Colin?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Andy06 on August 02, 2017, 09:24:11 PM
I heard the Colin Kelly story myself, that the job is pretty much his. Not really sure what to make of it though. I'd be doubtful of the rumour on the basis I hadn't heard anything about interviews taking place.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 02, 2017, 10:28:52 PM
If Gerry and the officials pick someone like Colin Kelly and don't interview all people mentioned locally or that are nominated this will cause a lot of trouble
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 03, 2017, 08:40:31 AM
What link does Kelly have with the CB or someone on it ?, because its obvious his name hasn't been pulled out of thin air.

If true , This all sounds like a inside job of the highest order.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 03, 2017, 09:46:32 AM
I have no interest in another failed inter county manager either. If jobs are given on the basis of who you know, then there's no place for these people on a County Board. I'd rather give one of our own a chance. Clubs need to vote against this sort of stuff
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: redsetanta on August 03, 2017, 10:07:41 AM
Well it's about time the clubs showed a bit of balls and stood up against this. Club executives should be getting their mandate from their club. Time to act is now!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 03, 2017, 10:29:38 AM
BallyroanAbbey have nominated Clancy, but have stipulated a preference for a locally based candidate.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The Monument Road on August 03, 2017, 01:02:53 PM
If Gerry and the officials pick someone like Colin Kelly and don't interview all people mentioned locally or that are nominated this will cause a lot of trouble
People MENTIONED LOCALLY AND ON THIS FORUM cant be interviewed.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 03, 2017, 01:09:03 PM
If Gerry and the officials pick someone like Colin Kelly and don't interview all people mentioned locally or that are nominated this will cause a lot of trouble
And the mask slips
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 03, 2017, 01:11:31 PM
I'd find it hard to believe the Colin Kelly rumour. It'd be a very difficult sell for Gerry & co.
Something they might do as a last resort, but not as a fait accompli this early in the process.
Don't believe it myself.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 03, 2017, 03:01:01 PM
john sugru is another who would be an ideal candidate young trained kerry lives local and im sure the lads would respect him to he hasnt been mentioned much but could be a very good man and has delivered workshops for laois GAA
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: welcomehome on August 04, 2017, 11:30:38 AM
I see where fergal byron...donie norton michael murphy who was manager of the heritage this three-man committee have being selected  in picking the new laois manager....
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Heshs Umpire on August 04, 2017, 12:49:22 PM
I see where fergal byron...donie norton michael murphy who was manager of the heritage this three-man committee have being selected  in picking the new laois manager....
Good luck to them. It's a big responsibility getting this one right. Personally I'd like to see a young Laois manager get it. Any of the names being mentioned here, Clancy, Conway, Higgins could be worth a try. Mick Lawlor is also a name I'd like to see in the mix, if he were interested.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on August 04, 2017, 01:02:21 PM
I suspect that Mick Lawlor would love to be involved at some level. It has to be someone who sees this job as a long term project i.e. building a new team of players who are committed to playing for the county. Looking at the likes of Portarlington last night, alone, I think there is some young talent that can be worked with.

I hope Fergal and co. come up with the right man. They should talk to all concerned parties, current players, ex-players, coaches around the county, possibly even some supporters.

I would prefer that a committed Laois man with innovative ideas got the job. But if it has to be an outsider, then so be it.

No pressure on Fergal and co., but get us the right man!!!!

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: portlaoisekid on August 04, 2017, 03:21:56 PM
Don't envy the groups task to find a manager .

Is there money there to fund a top class mgt team?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 03:56:34 PM
If there is don't waste it. Keep it for when we have a talented and dedicated crop. This group aren't it.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 04, 2017, 04:07:33 PM
An interesting and maybe reasonable way to look at it.  This group have had a lot of resources fired at them over the last 5 or 6 years and it could be said that they have not made the best of it.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 04:31:33 PM
It has taken me a long time to realise that we don't have the players. We have some, but not enough. We have a number of talented players who would have been superstars years ago but they don't work hard enough. Let's wait until we have them and do the best we can locally with what we've got. No point getting too excited
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 04, 2017, 04:41:10 PM
It has taken me a long time to realise that we don't have the players. We have some, but not enough. We have a number of talented players who would have been superstars years ago but they don't work hard enough. Let's wait until we have them and do the best we can locally with what we've got. No point getting too excited

So do we just stay in Division 4? Falling further and further behind? Diminishing interest year upon year from prospective young players, supporters and sponsors?
Do we pull out of IC football competitions?

Bizarre way of looking at things.

The best 35/36 in the county at any given time deserve whatever resources are available at that particular time.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on August 04, 2017, 04:49:38 PM
It certainly is a funny attitude. If we don't put resources in at adult level then young players will question the purpose of playing at underage level. Ridiculous.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on August 04, 2017, 04:54:10 PM
It is all the more reason to think long term when appointing a new man to the job. It must be someone who is charged with bring through what ever young talent we have and building a team over the years.

Perhaps this new manager should asked to work closely with those who run the underage setup in the county.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 05:07:06 PM
It has taken me a long time to realise that we don't have the players. We have some, but not enough. We have a number of talented players who would have been superstars years ago but they don't work hard enough. Let's wait until we have them and do the best we can locally with what we've got. No point getting too excited

So do we just stay in Division 4? Falling further and further behind? Diminishing interest year upon year from prospective young players, supporters and sponsors?
Do we pull out of IC football competitions?

Bizarre way of looking at things.

The best 35/36 in the county at any given time deserve whatever resources are available at that particular time.
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What do you think has been happening the last few years? Good luck flogging that dead horse.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 05:09:40 PM
It certainly is a funny attitude. If we don't put resources in at adult level then young players will question the purpose of playing at underage level. Ridiculous.

As opposed to putting young players into a panel that are not good enough and just blend in. Which is what we're doing now. Even more ridiculous
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 04, 2017, 05:18:56 PM
1) At what point do we decide that *bing* now our players are good enough to deserve being prepared properly
2) What exactly are we going to judge this good enough against?
3) If we produce some good minor or U21 players over the next few years do we refuse to allow them to join the senior panel? In case they would be cross contaminated like!
4) What players are going to commit endless hours representing YOUR county during this "resource-less" period?

Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 05:24:32 PM
Get off your high horse. I think they're not good enough, and do you know what, results and league standing support that view point. You don't have to agree with me, and in all honesty I couldn't give two f**ks whether you do or don't. But don't dare brandish me or talk down to me. Don't even try, because you wouldn't dare do it to my face. Now settle yourself down
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 04, 2017, 05:34:27 PM
You are talking shite. There is no sense in what you are saying and it is impossible to implement without falling off the face of intercounty football forever.

And finally,
I addressed your suggestion, not you.
I don't know anything about you, and don't want you.

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 05:39:58 PM
There was no need for your tone or your condescending comments. That's a few times you've seen fit to rattle me but it ends now. I won't be spoken down to by a keyboard bully
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 04, 2017, 05:48:26 PM
There will be a limited supply of resources available for the preparation of teams over say a 10 year period. It is true that this amount is not fixed (for example if the team was successful, more resources would be available) but, in any case, the amount is limited.

High Fielder has raised the possibility of an alternative to the strategy of simply putting as much money as possible into the team in any given year.

I think this is reasonable. If, for example, you think that the current bunch of players have not delivered and are not likely to deliver (which is a reasonable way to think given the last few years) and, at the same time, you see a bunch of talented 14-18 year olds coming through, would it not be reasonable to pull back a little on the funding of the senior team and to nurture the young lads. When they start coming through, you will have assembled a war chest of resources that would allow these good young lads to compete with the bigger counties.

I don't think ideas like that should be entirely dismissed. It's not to suggest that the Senior Team doesn't need a manager or doesn't need any resources but maybe priorities could be readjusted a little for a few years.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 04, 2017, 05:57:01 PM
There was no need for your tone or your condescending comments. That's a few times you've seen fit to rattle me but it ends now. I won't be spoken down to by a keyboard bully

Oh right ye? I'll await further developments on this.

There will be a limited supply of resources available for the preparation of teams over say a 10 year period. It is true that this amount is not fixed (for example if the team was successful, more resources would be available) but, in any case, the amount is limited.

High Fielder has raised the possibility of an alternative to the strategy of simply putting as much money as possible into the team in any given year.

I think this is reasonable. If, for example, you think that the current bunch of players have not delivered and are not likely to deliver (which is a reasonable way to think given the last few years) and, at the same time, you see a bunch of talented 14-18 year olds coming through. Would it not be reasonable to pull back a little on the funding of the senior team and to nurture the young lads. When they start coming through, you will have assembled a war chest of resources that would allow these good young lads to compete with the bigger counties.

I don't think ideas like that should be entirely dismissed. It's not to suggest that the Senior Team doesn't need a manager or doesn't need any resources but maybe priorities could be readjusted a little for a few years.

I understand what you are saying. But it's a long time since we have over extended ourselves funding our senior teams in either code.
There is no real suggestion that U21/minor/devlopment squads are being neglected in any major way. We are progressing with improving OMP and devloping our training centre.
The evidence isn't there to suggest that we are over funding senior teams relative to other areas in need of progress. Nobody has suggested going for a Micko/Davy type figure and pissing away phenomenal sums.

To actually take a decision to willfully neglect your premier team would be sporting suicide.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 06:04:13 PM
Stop forcing home points that weren't made to score points. Nobody said neglect. Just don't spend fortunes. Nobody said neglect but you keyboard warrior
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 04, 2017, 06:06:08 PM
There is some mental comments going on here, give up on the Senior Team we would well and truly be buried if that happens.  I told people on here 1 year ago Creedon had to go as apart from his football the commercial disaster of his managerial stint is brutal.    The Senior Team is your selling point for a county you have to do everything possible to make them attractive to fans,  young players coming through.  I am truly terrified we are heading down the Offaly Road of having a fantastic county ground and a team not fit to grace it.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 04, 2017, 06:07:54 PM
Stop forcing home points that weren't made to score points. Nobody said neglect. Just don't spend fortunes. Nobody said neglect but you keyboard warrior

I'll make whatever points I like, however I like!

And please don't call me names from behind a computer screen. There's a name for that, but I can't remember it ::)

And btw the definition of "neglect" is "to fail to care for properly". Not putting the best possible set up in charge of your premier team is "neglect".
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 06:19:54 PM
And I didn't say that either. I said don't spend fortunes on a panel that are failing. When you try to mince someone at least do it properly little boy
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 04, 2017, 06:23:52 PM
And I didn't say that either. I said don't spend fortunes on a panel that are failing. When you try to mince someone at least do it properly little boy

Keyboard warrior?
Little boy?

Go talk to someone would ya.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 04, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
Stop taking people out of context. You do it a lot. It's poor form. You didn't get away with it this time.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 04, 2017, 07:27:10 PM
Lads, there's a private messaging service on GAA boards, why not go in there and call each other names and give the rest of us a break .

In fairness, I'm no stranger to arguments on here but at least I'm always right  ;).

Calm it down anyway the both of ye, it's just opinions and opinions are fair game whatever they are. Now settle, grab a pint and enjoy the long weekend.

 

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 04, 2017, 07:33:10 PM
Stop taking people out of context. You do it a lot. It's poor form. You didn't get away with it this time.

Was going to leave it, but no I won't!

You were wrong about Creedon, and refused to accept it for months. You are wrong again!
You are talking in random generalities and there are huge holes in what you are saying- but hey don't dare discuss the flaws in some one else's ideas.....on a discussion board.....heaven forbid!!

Other nonsense ramblings that come to mind;

Suggesting Mick Dempsey- ye I'd say he's waiting by the phone.
Drinking alcohol would show up in players "samples"
The CB should suspend the players who were drinking
You are going to stop contributing financially to Laois GAA until you find out who the drinkers are (how is that investigation proceeding for you btw?!)

Calling people "keyboard warriors", "little boy" and a few weeks ago someone else was a "clown".

You are a fabulous contributor! Keep it up!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 04, 2017, 07:33:54 PM
Stop taking people out of context. You do it a lot. It's poor form. You didn't get away with it this time.

Oh no, are you on the way over?! :D
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 04, 2017, 08:32:03 PM
Wow, that escalated quickly.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 04, 2017, 10:28:50 PM
Wahoo and I wasn't involved in the argument for once,, fight fight fight,, on a positive not I like the committee that's in place for picking the manager although I would have liked Donie  norton also involved in the team set up I like him  and the way Heath toppled stradbally
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: OTF on August 05, 2017, 03:23:20 PM
1) At what point do we decide that *bing* now our players are good enough to deserve being prepared properly
2) What exactly are we going to judge this good enough against?
3) If we produce some good minor or U21 players over the next few years do we refuse to allow them to join the senior panel? In case they would be cross contaminated like!
4) What players are going to commit endless hours representing YOUR county during this "resource-less" period?

Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)

Just because someone holds a different point of view should they have to put up this level of abuse ???
This forum is rapidly growing down hill. Hogan Stand with all its faults has moderators.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 05, 2017, 04:43:31 PM
Stall the ball OTF

There are a fair few lads on here who are condescending to say the least.  Keyser is well entitled to stand his ground.   

If we wanted to be on the Hogan Stand we would be there.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: OTF on August 05, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
Stall the ball OTF

There are a fair few lads on here who are condescending to say the least.  Keyser is well entitled to stand his ground.   

If we wanted to be on the Hogan Stand we would be there.

Standing your ground.....O !!!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 05, 2017, 06:49:30 PM
YAWN
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 05, 2017, 09:41:59 PM
Keyser and High Fielder are easily two of the most interesting posters on here.

Personally, I'm much more interested in reading their opinions on the football rather than on each other.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 06, 2017, 01:48:03 AM
1) At what point do we decide that *bing* now our players are good enough to deserve being prepared properly
2) What exactly are we going to judge this good enough against?
3) If we produce some good minor or U21 players over the next few years do we refuse to allow them to join the senior panel? In case they would be cross contaminated like!
4) What players are going to commit endless hours representing YOUR county during this "resource-less" period?

Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)

Just because someone holds a different point of view should they have to put up this level of abuse ???
This forum is rapidly growing down hill. Hogan Stand with all its faults has moderators.

Just to be clear (and it may well not be clear from what I wrote) that last line was regarding the opinion stated, not the poster. I know nothing of the poster.
The line
Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)
was in relation to the opinion offered.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: OTF on August 06, 2017, 06:31:40 PM
1) At what point do we decide that *bing* now our players are good enough to deserve being prepared properly
2) What exactly are we going to judge this good enough against?
3) If we produce some good minor or U21 players over the next few years do we refuse to allow them to join the senior panel? In case they would be cross contaminated like!
4) What players are going to commit endless hours representing YOUR county during this "resource-less" period?

Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)

Just because someone holds a different point of view should they have to put up this level of abuse ???
This forum is rapidly growing down hill. Hogan Stand with all its faults has moderators.

Just to be clear (and it may well not be clear from what I wrote) that last line was regarding the opinion stated, not the poster. I know nothing of the poster.
The line
Mental. Stupid. Unbecoming. Ill-informed. (Take your pick)
was in relation to the opinion offered.

Ok point taken.
Agree with Giovanni I enjoy both of ye most of the time.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 07, 2017, 12:15:53 AM
Quote
Ok point taken.
Agree with Giovanni I enjoy both of ye most of the time.

Me too, funny thing is you are both usually very good and well informed posters, people who make this forum interesting so this silly stuff is doing neither ye or the rest of us any favours.
In fairness to the rest of the posters here and for the continued success of this forum could you please continue this kind of stuff on the private message system that's available here as Tony suggested.

It's the constant lack of respect for other peoples opinions that drives lads away from forums like this and I certainly don't want that to happen here as its the only way supporters can get together and express opinions on the games in our county that we all love. There are no moderators here so we depend on the common sense and respect of everyone here to keep this place in order.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: redsetanta on August 07, 2017, 01:55:12 AM
Well said Junior.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 07, 2017, 03:09:31 AM
Agree but a lot of lads make no sense her :)
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 07, 2017, 05:21:16 AM
Agree but a lot of lads make no sense her :)
You're some mule
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 07, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
After all that Don
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: The Monument Road on August 07, 2017, 10:07:29 AM
Agree but a lot of lads make no sense her :)
You're some mule
The offspring of a donkey and a horse (strictly, a male donkey/jackass and a female horse/mare), typically sterile and used as a beast of burden.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 07, 2017, 12:06:54 PM
Agree but a lot of lads make no sense her :)
You're some mule
The offspring of a donkey and a horse (strictly, a male donkey/jackass and a female horse/mare), typically sterile and used as a beast of burden.
With a bit of luck this particular mule is also sterile.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 07, 2017, 12:22:38 PM
I might be missing the point, but if every difference of opinion is settled via PM then I don't think there will be much posted. It's dead enough as it is, particularly from a hurling POV.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: High Fielder on August 07, 2017, 01:01:27 PM
Nobody minds an exchange of views but calling people's posts, and by extension them, idiotic, stupid and mental, is too much. I've been guilty of it myself under provocation but not straight off the bat. I don't intend on letting it happen again as its bullying at its most base level. These things would never be done to your face.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 07, 2017, 01:12:09 PM
Nobody minds an exchange of views but calling people's posts, and by extension them, idiotic, stupid and mental, is too much. I've been guilty of it myself under provocation but not straight off the bat. I don't intend on letting it happen again as its bullying at its most base level. These things would never be done to your face.

Make whatever extensions you want!  Out of curiousity- how are you going to stop it?!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 07, 2017, 05:39:58 PM
I might be missing the point, but if every difference of opinion is settled via PM then I don't think there will be much posted. It's dead enough as it is, particularly from a hurling POV.

The football forums have become infantile slagging forums and lads with agendas having a go at each other. Particularly since one or two, everyone will know who I mean, have become frequent posters. There is no useful information coming through. I would rather have a civilized, quiet hurling forum than read the drivel that is posted on the football equivalent.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 07, 2017, 07:54:43 PM
To be fair, blueandwhite1, most posters here are very well informed and post stuff that is very interesting to read. Lets not cause a divide between the hurling and football forums as we all want the same thing and that is success. I do take your point though, there has been a bit of silliness here lately and I'm sure readers from other counties who visit here must be having a great laugh at our expense.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 07, 2017, 08:42:35 PM
Can see them rushing on here alright  :-\
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 08, 2017, 08:48:05 AM
I'm sure readers from other counties who visit here must be having a great laugh at our expense.
Ah lads.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: clonadmad on August 08, 2017, 10:13:15 AM
Infantile carry on,these past few pages from some I expected more from and some I didn't.

The reality is that noone from outside the county bar a low ranking expense hound will touch this county with a shitty stick,we are a div 4 county with the attendant structural failings.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: redsetanta on August 08, 2017, 10:44:17 AM
Total sea change in Laois between hurling and football right now. The hurlers a much better prospect for any potential managers. Footballers will need a Laois man for the job as the post will only attract a fly by night manager similar to the likes of Teddy McCarthy with the hurlers a few years ago and we certainly don't want to go down that route.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 08, 2017, 12:17:44 PM
I agree, a local guy with passion for Laois is what we need right now, another year and another failed outside manager would be a total disaster.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 08, 2017, 01:28:36 PM
The most important question we need to be asking in my view is not who the next senior manager will be, but what group of people will take responsibility for underage development and player pathways in Laois, and how will the county board resource them. Personally I think this needs to be a mix of former stars who are respected (Clancy, Tom Kelly, Beano, Joe Higgins etc) and a few outsiders that have overseen developmental progress in other counties. Perhaps someone from Tyrone or Dublin for example.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Laoisguy on August 08, 2017, 03:33:43 PM
The most important question we need to be asking in my view is not who the next senior manager will be, but what group of people will take responsibility for underage development and player pathways in Laois, and how will the county board resource them. Personally I think this needs to be a mix of former stars who are respected (Clancy, Tom Kelly, Beano, Joe Higgins etc) and a few outsiders that have overseen developmental progress in other counties. Perhaps someone from Tyrone or Dublin for example.

In complete agreement....this is imperative and a huge part of the strategic committee review
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unlaoised on August 08, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
Not sure about the three intrusted to pick the next manager...Byron yes but the other two??
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on August 08, 2017, 10:45:25 PM
Colm ORourke made some good points last night on the bigger picture.

Joe canning article was a good read too  ..

There has to be a tiered championship

Would take a while to bed in but we would wonder then why it wasnt always there.

Local man for the laois jod and a ten year plan to try and make us competitive again ..
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: blueandwhite1 on August 10, 2017, 11:45:13 AM
Colm ORourke made some good points last night on the bigger picture.

Joe canning article was a good read too  ..

There has to be a tiered championship

Would take a while to bed in but we would wonder then why it wasnt always there.

Local man for the laois jod and a ten year plan to try and make us competitive again ..

Yep, but in a tiered championship we are probably in the lowest tier right now!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on August 10, 2017, 11:50:58 AM
Colm ORourke made some good points last night on the bigger picture.

Joe canning article was a good read too  ..

There has to be a tiered championship

Would take a while to bed in but we would wonder then why it wasnt always there.

Local man for the laois jod and a ten year plan to try and make us competitive again ..

Yep, but in a tiered championship we are probably in the lowest tier right now!

Maybe, but that gives us the opportunity to build a new team.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: OTF on August 10, 2017, 12:40:43 PM
Colm ORourke made some good points last night on the bigger picture.

Joe canning article was a good read too  ..

There has to be a tiered championship

Would take a while to bed in but we would wonder then why it wasnt always there.

Local man for the laois jod and a ten year plan to try and make us competitive again ..

Yep, but in a tiered championship we are probably in the lowest tier right now!

In county equivalent
Junior B
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Uisce on August 10, 2017, 01:00:02 PM
Colm ORourke made some good points last night on the bigger picture.

Joe canning article was a good read too  ..

There has to be a tiered championship

Would take a while to bed in but we would wonder then why it wasnt always there.

Local man for the laois jod and a ten year plan to try and make us competitive again ..

Yep, but in a tiered championship we are probably in the lowest tier right now!

In county equivalent
Junior B

Ideal, lads be expected to have a few pints before a game then!  ;)
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: OTF on August 10, 2017, 01:25:27 PM
Colm ORourke made some good points last night on the bigger picture.

Joe canning article was a good read too  ..

There has to be a tiered championship

Would take a while to bed in but we would wonder then why it wasnt always there.

Local man for the laois jod and a ten year plan to try and make us competitive again ..

Yep, but in a tiered championship we are probably in the lowest tier right now!

In county equivalent
Junior B

Ideal, lads be expected to have a few pints before a game then!  ;)

Never thought of that very good
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Butch Cassidy on August 10, 2017, 01:30:16 PM
There should be 8 groups of 4. Top 2 go to play for 'Sam' and bottom 2 play for 'Paidi'. Last 16 games open draw with first playing second and played on a knockout basis. Therefore everyone has the chance to play for the big one.

Both finals to be played on the same day with u17 final taking out  of Croker.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 10, 2017, 03:15:21 PM
what have these last few points got to do with the laois managers job???
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unlaoised on August 11, 2017, 03:45:25 PM
what have these last few points got to do with the laois managers job???

Good point.....

I hear the Colm Kelly(Louth) rumours have died down ...The Panel favor a Laois man!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 11, 2017, 06:04:29 PM
Thank God for that....
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: OTF on August 11, 2017, 07:01:11 PM
what have these last few points got to do with the laois managers job???

Job description
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: TheGiantSquid on August 12, 2017, 11:54:51 AM
John Sugrue is nailed on for the position it seems, my good mole in CB told me!! Interesting appointment to say the least.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 12, 2017, 03:57:35 PM
I won't believe it 'till I see it; way too many rumours were off the mark this year.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 12, 2017, 05:22:45 PM
You could be right he has done a lot with the Heath this year too and Donnie is on the commitee,,, if it's a laois man at the minute there's one man for me on what I'm seeing
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: SCFC on August 12, 2017, 06:37:03 PM
Second half was decent enough alright.
Looks like the weasel might have to come up with something else to keep his club senior!🙄
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 12, 2017, 07:59:21 PM
Don't know where your getting that squid,  they may like him but not sure the clubs will ratify an outside appointment.  Most of the clubs want a Laois man for the job, don't think any senior club nominated him for job.  I don't think the executive would like their nomination getting voted down, if they nominate Sugrue this is quite likely to happen. Maybe the County Board are braver than I think, but it would show really poor reading of the game within Laois.

Honestly couldn't see why people would have a problem with Sugrue?
Seems to be respected, has as good a record as anyone working within Laois, has a professional qualification that somewhat informs preparation etc.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 12, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
Sugrue be mad to touch that job.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Unison on August 12, 2017, 09:23:43 PM
Second half was decent enough alright.
Looks like the weasel might have to come up with something else to keep his club senior!🙄

 ;) ;) Very Good. It'll be interesting to see what transpires.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 12, 2017, 10:43:11 PM
Joint management with surgu and one of our own??
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Target Man on August 13, 2017, 01:48:26 AM
John Sugrue is capable, but why this county continually ignores it's own verges on idiotic.  Malachy McNulty  is tearing it up with Portlaoise this year, Clancy is doing a fine job with Graigue and there is Joe Higgins and Chris Conway.  Why in gods name to we continually go for someone who can never have the same passion for Laois Football no matter how hard they try.   Could you actually imagine Kerry in this position considering someone from Laois.  The Laois job is much more than a managers job at the moment it's going to a P R exercise among the clubs and sponsors.  This is not about a coach or manager this is actually about someone reigniting the fire in Laois Football.

It is most definitely about a manager. Why are the candidates you pointed out better than Sugrue?

If the only reason you can give is they were born in Laois....
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 13, 2017, 12:02:12 PM
John Sugrue is practically a Laois man at this stage and has a far better CV compared with some Laois men up for the job. That's just the truth of it. I'd be happy with him taking over. He also knows a lot about s&c, has a good managerial track record and is based in Laois. You say we gamble on outsiders ballyroanabu but lets not pretend Clancy or Higgins is not a major gamble too.

I was up for a Laois man taking over unless a very good candidate shows up. If Sugrue is interested, I'd choose him hands down.

And enough of the anti billy sheehan talk. He's more passionate about Laois than almost anyone out there. We'd do very well to have him involved in some capacity.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 13, 2017, 04:20:48 PM
Billy Sheehan is at every Laois match, home and away. Not only that, he also shows up with his kids togged out head to toe in Laois gear. He was absolutely passionate about Laois and still is. I remember being out in the same bar as almost the entire Laois squad a couple of years back after a defeat in the championship. Most were drinking and trying to forget about it but Billy was depressed in a corner. Tried to talk to him - he was inconsolable over the defeat. That's how much it means to him. I wouldn't pick him as manager yet but as I say, to have him involved in some capacity would be great in my opinion.

Listen Ballyroan, if the perfect Laois manager existed he'd be in the role. There's no anti-Laois bias IN LAOIS. Many Laois men have got the role over the years - so I'm not sure what you're on about to be honest. If I was to pick a Laois man it'd be Malachy, hands down. But does he even want it?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 13, 2017, 04:47:15 PM
Tony you are deluded there has always been an anti Laois bias in Laois.  Different Clubs are always scheming against each other, If one springs to mind in the recent past Pat Roe good enough for 2 or 3 other counties they could not be bothered with him here.  How else could TOF get a job here ran out of Galway and yet he pitches up here, no questions asked.  Billy Sheehan is not from Laois and never will be and let him cry for whoever he wants.  He did not even know where EMO was when he first came,  He is some man for the Laois matches considering his with Cork.  If any of you deluded chaps wants to believe Billy Sheehan is a Laois Man then continue on.  But I am sure I can dig out his Stacks video.   He also is also a mad Liverpool fan does that make him a scouser.  Like before Tony you are far too close to the county board to have a neutral point of view.  This time last year you were all about Creedon.   
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: TheGiantSquid on August 13, 2017, 05:24:29 PM
You have a vendetta against Billy Sheehan Mr. Scully!!
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Tony on August 13, 2017, 06:40:47 PM
Some serious nonsense coming out of your head BallyroanAbu. Mick Lillis is practically a Laois man, Sean Dempsey is most definitely a Laois man - both recent Laois managers. If there was a clear Laois canditate he'd be in the position in a flash. The fact that we're naming Malachy McNulty as the forerunner - a young man just 2 seasons into his club managerial career - suggests definitely that we don't have clear laois candidates without risk. Come on now, common sense. Laois men don't mind a Laois man in charge, ONCE HE'S RIGHT FOR THE JOB. Enough with the conspiracy theory that we don't value other Laois men. Something boiled up in your own head there. And lay off Billy, he gave his all for this county, zero chance you'd say any of that nonsense to his face.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: ILikeStrawberryJam on August 13, 2017, 07:29:43 PM
Malachy has no interest in the Laois job.

People can be passionate about a county that werent necessarily born there

Let the county board interview the candidates .. just no mercenaries ..

Lets just get the best candidate for the job
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 13, 2017, 07:44:04 PM
If, after an interview process involving people who know what they are talking about, Sugrue appears to be a stronger candidate that the likes of McNulty, Higgins and Clancy then he should get the job.
He might technically be a Kerry man, but there is the world of difference between his situation and those on the managerial merry go round looking for handy dosh.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Don Draper on August 13, 2017, 08:42:17 PM
You have a vendetta against Billy Sheehan Mr. Scully!!
I wonder why that would be, hmmmm let me think

Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 13, 2017, 09:09:12 PM
You have a vendetta against Billy Sheehan Mr. Scully!!
I wonder why that would be, hmmmm let me think

This is above the heads of many of us! Any further information forthcoming?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 13, 2017, 10:00:46 PM
No personal agenda against Billy and if someone would like to tell me one that would be fantastic.  Keysee I have no faith in the interview process as they have turned up some turnips so far.  So far I have been right on what happens let me tell you what happens with John Sugrue he will get us out of Div 4, will fail over a couple of years in Div 3 and then leave.  Billy Sheehan will be much the same as neither have an asses roar of accessing the cash to develop this county. 
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 13, 2017, 10:06:22 PM
Keysee I have no faith in the interview process as they have turned up some turnips so far.

That is a fair enough point.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: oneflewoverthecuckoonest on August 13, 2017, 10:28:28 PM
I spoke with one of the 3 man interview committee, and not one person has even been pencilled in for a meeting, let alone a short list been composed. Names have been proposed, some by clubs and the teasing out process(checking out who may actually be interested will commence soon).

keyser....the mr scully reference, is because he was the ballyroan guy running round behind Clancy with a tactics board last year, much to the mirth of many, suspect the guy is star struck(if you can be) by Clancy.

I tend to believe that John Sugrue's record within Laois is far from hectic, just my opinion.

Billy Sheehan is a marmite character...I felt he gave it his all when in the blue and white and fulfilled a disciplined role when with McNulty...........he was a coach with Cork footballers in 2017, and whether we like it or not, Cork footballers are much higher up the football food chain than Laois, and evidently he was appreciated in Cork.

my preferred team, would be Mick Dempsey as manager, with Clancy, Conway and Sheehan(fitness) as assistants/coaches.........Dempsey with more experience could take the heat as manager and the others as younger bucks could learn the ropes.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 13, 2017, 10:41:06 PM
my preferred team, would be Mick Dempsey as manager, with Clancy, Conway and Sheehan(fitness) as assistants/coaches.........Dempsey with more experience could take the heat as manager and the others as younger bucks could learn the ropes.

That would be absolutely fantastic....but why would Dempsey take the job?
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 13, 2017, 11:22:53 PM
Giant eejit not squib give me the difference between a coach and a manager,,???
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: town1980 on August 13, 2017, 11:29:13 PM
Also getting personal by trying to name someone who has valid points is a cowardly act name yourself you giant gimp/ squid with no foundation,, This evenings games ballyabu yee we're a shadow of yereselves unfit over weight totally different from what I expect and seen ,, killeshin we're full value for there win and will rattle my neighbours,,a lot of good ties ahead in two weeks time Killeen for me we're lucky but will progress against a very bad ballyroan side ,, no one will beat my portlaoise 
Title: W
Post by: Bud Wiser on August 13, 2017, 11:30:51 PM
my preferred team, would be Mick Dempsey as manager, with Clancy, Conway and Sheehan(fitness) as assistants/coaches.........Dempsey with more experience could take the heat as manager and the others as younger bucks could learn the ropes.

That would be absolutely fantastic....but why would Dempsey take the job?
Why would anyone want the job?
Title: Re: W
Post by: Keyser Söze on August 13, 2017, 11:51:11 PM
my preferred team, would be Mick Dempsey as manager, with Clancy, Conway and Sheehan(fitness) as assistants/coaches.........Dempsey with more experience could take the heat as manager and the others as younger bucks could learn the ropes.

That would be absolutely fantastic....but why would Dempsey take the job?
Why would anyone want the job?

There is quite the difference between ANYONE wanting to test themselves at intercounty level and Mick Dempsey. I'm not going to bother expanding further on that.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: BallyroanAbu on August 14, 2017, 04:18:12 AM
I spoke with one of the 3 man interview committee, and not one person has even been pencilled in for a meeting, let alone a short list been composed. Names have been proposed, some by clubs and the teasing out process(checking out who may actually be interested will commence soon).

keyser....the mr scully reference, is because he was the ballyroan guy running round behind Clancy with a tactics board last year, much to the mirth of many, suspect the guy is star struck(if you can be) by Clancy.

I tend to believe that John Sugrue's record within Laois is far from hectic, just my opinion.

Billy Sheehan is a marmite character...I felt he gave it his all when in the blue and white and fulfilled a disciplined role when with McNulty...........he was a coach with Cork footballers in 2017, and whether we like it or not, Cork footballers are much higher up the football food chain than Laois, and evidently he was appreciated in Cork.


my preferred team, would be Mick Dempsey as manager, with Clancy, Conway and Sheehan(fitness) as assistants/coaches.........Dempsey with more experience could take the heat as manager and the others as younger bucks could learn the ropes.

I got a little annoyed by this, but then realised my only crime is to wear my heart on my sleeve.  Most people on here have a fair idea who I am and I have never shied away from it.   I have also said I think Clancy is something special,  I expected nothing more than ridicule(my wife found the star struck thing funny) however I suppose I have to find courage in my convictions when it does not exactly go with the crowd.    Maybe the same people who thought of me with mirth were those dozy f**kers who ratified TOF, Lillis and Creedon.  But good luck to you on getting Mick Dempsey ratified.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Giovanni on August 14, 2017, 09:15:25 AM
It's the smart men that see the "mirth" in people trying to do things properly at club level that make this county what it is. Division 4.

I don't know too much about what's happening at club level but these kind of personalised comments that denigrate people in this way are sickening.
Title: Re: Next Laois football manager
Post by: Joeythelips on August 14, 2017, 10:09:03 AM
What is the situation regarding this? From what I read in club match reports it sounds like there are some decent your players coming through at club level. Im not saying they are ready for inter county step up but the least they deserve is the next Laois management team to be taking a look at them in action during the championship, clubs like Ballylinan, Portarlington, Ballyfin and Rosenallis to name a few sound like they have young players with potential.