China Coronavirus

[GetOverTheBar]

That bugs me, not the DUP (well they do), but the blame on the people, all the time.

If you keep blaming the people it only ends one way.

The amount of people I hear daily saying "it's them oul house parties....". Look, of course there are parties going on. But Jesus Christ, just think about it. You would think that every 2nd house in the North was pumping then people just regurgitate that yet your local Tesco is just as "gathered" from open to close and not a word of it because it's allowed.

They have yet to twig that when you stop people doing anything, you force their hand. The next few months will certainly now see compliance plummet to minimal levels.

Yesterday was the same stuff. All our fault, NHS is stretched to limit. Next few weeks are vital. They've said it that often they have given people Covid fatigue.

If they want to drive the message home, seriously, they should do an inside show from inside a ward. Obviously that might prove somewhat tricky considering. But you get the point.

[Taylor]

That bugs me, not the DUP (well they do), but the blame on the people, all the time.

If you keep blaming the people it only ends one way.

The amount of people I hear daily saying "it's them oul house parties....". Look, of course there are parties going on. But Jesus Christ, just think about it. You would think that every 2nd house in the North was pumping then people just regurgitate that yet your local Tesco is just as "gathered" from open to close and not a word of it because it's allowed.

They have yet to twig that when you stop people doing anything, you force their hand. The next few months will certainly now see compliance plummet to minimal levels.

Yesterday was the same stuff. All our fault, NHS is stretched to limit. Next few weeks are vital. They've said it that often they have given people Covid fatigue.

If they want to drive the message home, seriously, they should do an inside show from inside a ward. Obviously that might prove somewhat tricky considering. But you get the point.

Taking the lead from Boris and the lads with that perspective.

By blaming the people it masks the inadequacies of their own handling of this shitshow

[Jeepers Creepers]

Loosening restrictions at Christmas seems crazier & crazier as each day passes. Would we not have been well on our way towards spring re restrictions ending?

[GetOverTheBar]

Loosening restrictions at Christmas seems crazier & crazier as each day passes. Would we not have been well on our way towards spring re restrictions ending?

But do we think one week really caused this all? I get that people went mad shopping, of course it was a big week of mixing, but no gastrobars etc were even open where I am.

I get the feeling we are getting a bit of payback from the executive here. The fact they are leaking the bad news to the BBC quite clearly now so that gets a bit of the heat off is all very convenient to me.

I'm aware I'm bordering conspiracy lines, but Jayne McCormack from the BBC is fit to tell us exactly what is happening every day before the executive meets and "makes the decision".  Does anyone else not find that a tad bit strange? Does anything leak from the Southern Govt to anyone? I think it shows just what the NI Executive are, incapable of leadership.

As a fairly complaint member of the public I am exasperated at this stage how they can decide to continue lockdown until March 5th considering there was still 2 weeks until the actual end of this one. I'm not saying open it up, let her rip. But I am saying how can they make that decision so quickly when the same people say one week caused all the bother. It just makes people like me who were sticking to the rules question and become angry at the situation. I'm far from the only one too. We've been in some form of lockdown now in the North from Hallowe'en (including the circuit breaker nonsense). There really seems no end to this. It's massively deflating for me at the moment. I think we are genuinely on the way to something more dangerous in this country.

[armaghniac]

That bugs me, not the DUP (well they do), but the blame on the people, all the time.

If you keep blaming the people it only ends one way.

The amount of people I hear daily saying "it's them oul house parties....". Look, of course there are parties going on. But Jesus Christ, just think about it. You would think that every 2nd house in the North was pumping then people just regurgitate that yet your local Tesco is just as "gathered" from open to close and not a word of it because it's allowed.

I haven't been to a party lately, but recalling such things they are nothing like going to Tesco. In Tesco you wear a mask, you may pass people in the aisle but you quickly move on and the whole thing takes 30 mins. The whole idea of a party is to meet people and talk to them, not at all like shopping. So this comparison is bollix.

They have yet to twig that when you stop people doing anything, you force their hand. The next few months will certainly now see compliance plummet to minimal levels.

You don't "force their hand", they can just do what needs to be done. People do not drive down one way streets the wrong way because they want to make a point, such things exist for good reason.
All that is needed is a bit of responsibility for a few months, things will be greatly eased in summer in any case.

[GetOverTheBar]

That bugs me, not the DUP (well they do), but the blame on the people, all the time.

If you keep blaming the people it only ends one way.

The amount of people I hear daily saying "it's them oul house parties....". Look, of course there are parties going on. But Jesus Christ, just think about it. You would think that every 2nd house in the North was pumping then people just regurgitate that yet your local Tesco is just as "gathered" from open to close and not a word of it because it's allowed.

I haven't been to a party lately, but recalling such things they are nothing like going to Tesco. In Tesco you wear a mask, you may pass people in the aisle but you quickly move on and the whole thing takes 30 mins. The whole idea of a party is to meet people and talk to them, not at all like shopping. So this comparison is bollix.

They have yet to twig that when you stop people doing anything, you force their hand. The next few months will certainly now see compliance plummet to minimal levels.

You don't "force their hand", they can just do what needs to be done. People do not drive down one way streets the wrong way because they want to make a point, such things exist for good reason.
All that is needed is a bit of responsibility for a few months, things will be greatly eased in summer in any case.

I must go to different shops than you. What I see is a meet up.

Same tune from March.

[armaghniac]

That bugs me, not the DUP (well they do), but the blame on the people, all the time.

If you keep blaming the people it only ends one way.

The amount of people I hear daily saying "it's them oul house parties....". Look, of course there are parties going on. But Jesus Christ, just think about it. You would think that every 2nd house in the North was pumping then people just regurgitate that yet your local Tesco is just as "gathered" from open to close and not a word of it because it's allowed.

I haven't been to a party lately, but recalling such things they are nothing like going to Tesco. In Tesco you wear a mask, you may pass people in the aisle but you quickly move on and the whole thing takes 30 mins. The whole idea of a party is to meet people and talk to them, not at all like shopping. So this comparison is bollix.

They have yet to twig that when you stop people doing anything, you force their hand. The next few months will certainly now see compliance plummet to minimal levels.

You don't "force their hand", they can just do what needs to be done. People do not drive down one way streets the wrong way because they want to make a point, such things exist for good reason.
All that is needed is a bit of responsibility for a few months, things will be greatly eased in summer in any case.

I must go to different shops than you. What I see is a meet up.

Same tune from March.

Possibly some people do go to shops to meet up, but most do not. Everyone going to a party does so to meet up. But even if someones does exchange pleasantries with another in a shop they probably spend 3 minutes doing that, a party goes on for 4 or 5 hours. It is a question of magnitude.

[GetOverTheBar]

Do you hold the belief that house parties are as prevalent as we have been told by the executive, that seems the flat source of blame at the moment?

I drove through a local town last night on my way home from a run and seen about 20 outside one of the Local Fast Food places. Admittedly outside, but surely still 'as bad'?

[lfdown2]

That bugs me, not the DUP (well they do), but the blame on the people, all the time.

If you keep blaming the people it only ends one way.

The amount of people I hear daily saying "it's them oul house parties....". Look, of course there are parties going on. But Jesus Christ, just think about it. You would think that every 2nd house in the North was pumping then people just regurgitate that yet your local Tesco is just as "gathered" from open to close and not a word of it because it's allowed.

I haven't been to a party lately, but recalling such things they are nothing like going to Tesco. In Tesco you wear a mask, you may pass people in the aisle but you quickly move on and the whole thing takes 30 mins. The whole idea of a party is to meet people and talk to them, not at all like shopping. So this comparison is bollix.

They have yet to twig that when you stop people doing anything, you force their hand. The next few months will certainly now see compliance plummet to minimal levels.

You don't "force their hand", they can just do what needs to be done. People do not drive down one way streets the wrong way because they want to make a point, such things exist for good reason.
All that is needed is a bit of responsibility for a few months, things will be greatly eased in summer in any case.

In the most part people have been 'responsible' for almost a year now, done 'what needs to be done'. However all we have in return is M McBride and R Swan preaching from the pulpit that we're not doing what we are told.

Is it unreasonable to request clear parameters around the placement and removal of restrictions? So that we can see how far from 'a reward' we are.

Also, I find it particularly frustrating that we have no indication of forward planning, (short of ring the army) as an example, we are seeing daily that certain hospitals are over 100% capacity, while others are not - the north is a small place in the grand scheme of things, can we not move patients around, we don't see the capacity of the nightingale facilities, how are they being used etc.   

I suppose in the most part it's just tough now, not tough in that I've lost my job or lost a family member but just sh*t. I have it good, live in the country (have space), still in gainful employment, great family etc but the weeks still roll in to each other with no sign of a way out as we go from one lockdown to the next.

[bennydorano]

See a small article in today's  UK Times - 'Absence of flu admissions puzzles doctors'. Important bits:
- No UK admissions in first 2 weeks of January
- trend echoed in other parts of world
- in Japan there were 1,000 flu patients in 2nd week of January compared with 800,000 over the same period last year.

WHO stated "This is an extremely puzzling phenomenon. We're in a historic unbelievable situation."

[armaghniac]

In the most part people have been 'responsible' for almost a year now, done 'what needs to be done'. However all we have in return is M McBride and R Swan preaching from the pulpit that we're not doing what we are told.

More people have been responsible, but we have all paid a high price for this who have not.

Is it unreasonable to request clear parameters around the placement and removal of restrictions? So that we can see how far from 'a reward' we are.

You could say that restrictions would be removed when cases were x or whatever. However, it is hard to give definite values for these things, in these islands the whole Christmas thing was derailed by a combination of people pushing the envelope and the arrival of the new variant.

Also, I find it particularly frustrating that we have no indication of forward planning, (short of ring the army) as an example, we are seeing daily that certain hospitals are over 100% capacity, while others are not - the north is a small place in the grand scheme of things, can we not move patients around, we don't see the capacity of the nightingale facilities, how are they being used etc.   

I presume they would move patients around if it helped. The Nightingale idea doesn't work because there aren't enough staff to go around, especially as many staff are isolating.

[lfdown2]

Is it unreasonable to request clear parameters around the placement and removal of restrictions? So that we can see how far from 'a reward' we are.

You could say that restrictions would be removed when cases were x or whatever. However, it is hard to give definite values for these things, in these islands the whole Christmas thing was derailed by a combination of people pushing the envelope and the arrival of the new variant.

But surely this is exactly what they are doing in the executive - setting parameters, running modelling and then proposing restrictions or not.

Also, I find it particularly frustrating that we have no indication of forward planning, (short of ring the army) as an example, we are seeing daily that certain hospitals are over 100% capacity, while others are not - the north is a small place in the grand scheme of things, can we not move patients around, we don't see the capacity of the nightingale facilities, how are they being used etc.

I presume they would move patients around if it helped. The Nightingale idea doesn't work because there aren't enough staff to go around, especially as many staff are isolating.

Would these Nightingale facilities not be the perfect facility for the army if they are to be used. While very poorly delivered I could see some merit in the comment from P Sheehan of SF, it is difficult for an army medic/doctor etc to walk on to a ward with which they are unfamiliar and be highly effective. Could it not be that the Nightingale facilities be developed for those professionals and let them run them (we're told there id further availability)

[RedHand88]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-payment-500-pounds-positive-selfisolate-b1791015.html%3famp

Whoever floated this idea need shot into space.

[GetOverTheBar]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-payment-500-pounds-positive-selfisolate-b1791015.html%3famp

Whoever floated this idea need shot into space.

Lockdown forever.

[GetOverTheBar]

See a small article in today's  UK Times - 'Absence of flu admissions puzzles doctors'. Important bits:
- No UK admissions in first 2 weeks of January
- trend echoed in other parts of world
- in Japan there were 1,000 flu patients in 2nd week of January compared with 800,000 over the same period last year.

WHO stated "This is an extremely puzzling phenomenon. We're in a historic unbelievable situation."

Ach look we know what's going on there but it just leads to a flu v covid war on here. Clearly the flu is being recorded as Covid...whilst they are different, they have crossover symptoms.

Alot of people just are afraid to go near hospitals right now....rightly or wrongly, they are saying nothing and getting on with it.