FAI...June 2024 Friendlies v Hungary and Portugal

[Baile Brigín 2]

What 3 clubs did Clough build up from nothing?  Derby, Forest and? He also failed at Brighton and nobody ever thought him to be a credible English manager.

Your version of Kenny and Rovers oddly omits him crying in the showers, signing terrible players and sacking key coaching staff. Its appaling logic to say that because someone went on to success  that previous failures didn't happen. Henry being Arsenals best ever player doesn't negate that he flopped at Juventus. Kenny openly atates he failed at Rovers, figured out why and did the opposite at Dundalk. Your bias is shining.

Is a pointed strength of Kenny that he very rarely took established LoI pros? Finn is the only one I can think of. He took misfiring players like Horgan, Boyle and Hoban and mixed them with lads who failed in England. So no, players didn't down tools to play for him.

As I said, I hope I am wrong, but there are big question marks. Just because you do the predictable GAA v Rovers schtick doesn't mean they don't exist.

Regardless of manager, we don't have the players - too many journeymen.  That's the reality. 

When things were good, the majority of players were playing in top teams in the Premier League etc. in England.  That talent is not there now.

Agreed, but there are green shoots coming through underage. None of the current squad are undroppable. He is in a unique situation that he has carte blanche. So if we are mediocre we can at least have a passionate group of up and coming mediocrity

[marty34]

What 3 clubs did Clough build up from nothing?  Derby, Forest and? He also failed at Brighton and nobody ever thought him to be a credible English manager.

Your version of Kenny and Rovers oddly omits him crying in the showers, signing terrible players and sacking key coaching staff. Its appaling logic to say that because someone went on to success  that previous failures didn't happen. Henry being Arsenals best ever player doesn't negate that he flopped at Juventus. Kenny openly atates he failed at Rovers, figured out why and did the opposite at Dundalk. Your bias is shining.

Is a pointed strength of Kenny that he very rarely took established LoI pros? Finn is the only one I can think of. He took misfiring players like Horgan, Boyle and Hoban and mixed them with lads who failed in England. So no, players didn't down tools to play for him.

As I said, I hope I am wrong, but there are big question marks. Just because you do the predictable GAA v Rovers schtick doesn't mean they don't exist.

Regardless of manager, we don't have the players - too many journeymen.  That's the reality. 

When things were good, the majority of players were playing in top teams in the Premier League etc. in England.  That talent is not there now.

Agreed, but there are green shoots coming through underage. None of the current squad are undroppable. He is in a unique situation that he has carte blanche. So if we are mediocre we can at least have a passionate group of up and coming mediocrity

True - go with youth and a few experienced lads.  Could be a while before we grace the world or european stage again - who knows - but after the FAI mess, we need to focus on underage and develop players. 

Spend more money at the bottom than at the top level is the way to go now.

[BennyCake]

Nothing but good words about him both on and off the pitch with derry city. Dundalk had some unbelievable European results with him. Just hope it works out better than Brian Kerr, the last real LoI manager.

Thing is Kerr did ok with what he had.

The 2004 campaign was brutal to be fair. I remember big Gary Doherty saving the day on a few occasions.

[From the Bunker]

Them days we had Robbie Keane, Duff, Kilbane,  Given, Ian Harte, John O'Shea, Stevie Finnan.

We also had Andy Reid, Clinton Morrison, An old Roy Keane, Liam Miller, Kenny Cunningham, Matt Holland, Stephen Carr.

looks much better than what we have today. We were in a group with World Class French team, An always strong Swiss team, and Israel as an emerging football nation.

[BennyCake]

Them days we had Robbie Keane, Duff, Kilbane,  Given, Ian Harte, John O'Shea, Stevie Finnan.

We also had Andy Reid, Clinton Morrison, An old Roy Keane, Liam Miller, Kenny Cunningham, Matt Holland, Stephen Carr.

looks much better than what we have today. We were in a group with World Class French team, An always strong Swiss team, and Israel as an emerging football nation.

Keane wasn't involved in the 2004 campaign.

Israel an emerging team? I don't recall them doing anything since. Ireland conceded a last minute goal over there, and went 2-0 up at home, when Israel cheated, dived, lay down, time wasted, and everything else to gain a draw.

[From the Bunker]

Them days we had Robbie Keane, Duff, Kilbane,  Given, Ian Harte, John O'Shea, Stevie Finnan.

We also had Andy Reid, Clinton Morrison, An old Roy Keane, Liam Miller, Kenny Cunningham, Matt Holland, Stephen Carr.

looks much better than what we have today. We were in a group with World Class French team, An always strong Swiss team, and Israel as an emerging football nation.

Keane wasn't involved in the 2004 campaign.

Israel an emerging team? I don't recall them doing anything since. Ireland conceded a last minute goal over there, and went 2-0 up at home, when Israel cheated, dived, lay down, time wasted, and everything else to gain a draw.

Israel were ranked 44 in 2004 and went on to get to their highest ranking of 18 four years later. After that they fell of the wagon! But they were emerging at that time!

[JPGJOHNNYG]

We absolutely stank under Kerr. The man worked wonders with the youth teams but with the first team which had much better players than we have now we didnt beat anyone competitively above about 80 in the rankings. As noted earlier we needed gary doherty to save us against the likes of albania. We had one good game in Paris where we should have won but didnt and that was about it.

[red hander]

We absolutely stank under Kerr. The man worked wonders with the youth teams but with the first team which had much better players than we have now we didnt beat anyone competitively above about 80 in the rankings. As noted earlier we needed gary doherty to save us against the likes of albania. We had one good game in Paris where we should have won but didnt and that was about it.

This. I really wanted Kerr to succeed. But then I heard about his attitude about kids from here playing for failed statelet, especially from fact his people were from Ardoyne, that just fucked me off. I was physically at 90 per cent of Kerr games, and he just sent out a shower of bottlers, it was depressing.

[From the Bunker]

RIP Michael Robinson

[imtommygunn]

https://punditarena.com/football/smcmahon/irish-players-quiz-relegation-2/

Name the 44 Irish(fai)players to be relegated from the premier league. Tough one!

[Cunny Funt]

[general]

Was expecting a team of Gary Breens to be fair

[BennyCake]

No Giles or Staunton instead of Coleman? And what about Cascarino?!

[dec]

All-Time Ireland XI?

I would have Jennings, Blanchflower and Best on that team.

[laoislad]

No Giles or Staunton instead of Coleman? And what about Cascarino?!

Staunton should definitely be in there. Steve Finnan could have been in with a shout also.  Ronnie Whelan instead of Duff also. Frank Stapleton instead of Quinn.