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No-one is saying JH is shite, but what is Mayo about at this stage if its not about winning Sam?
3 finals he has done exactly the same thing, he is a phenomenal manager, hes just not going to win it with Mayo so whats the point.

What do the Mayo posters think of Horan?

I think out of the 4 Finals where he's been in charge in 3 of them he's not come out of it looking too good.

Agreed, hes not the man to win it. I said there was probably no point in him coming back if he hadn't changed the very obvious flaws that he had, on top of alot of good dont get me wrong. His flaws:
1. Having no tactical plan for the opposition, just play "our way" that works to a point but will always be found out eventually
2. Refusing to listen to anyone else, you could see it again Saturday, selectors giving him advice and he just ignoring it. Who does that? I expect some of them to walk away now.
I cant for the life of me, well I probably know its because JH is too stubborn, why the f**k didnt he look for some help from Stephen Rochford? Hes the only man who has actually got us to the point of having a legitimate chance of winning it and is Mr Tactics. If he had been invited to contribute to a tactical plan and been listened to, Mayo would have won on Saturday.
Aidan O'Shea on Kieran Donaghy? JH wouldn't do that in a million years.

Jack for the Cork job, that'd be some craic

[In previous years anyone who deserved a final ticket got one in the end]

In previous years anyone who deserved a final ticket got one in the end. will it be the same this year? were there any stories coming out of Limerick or Cork about people who should have got a ticket not getting one?

Bit of a myth. And this year plenty that "deserve" tickets will not be in attendance. The double whammy is no homecoming for the winner and the Sam Maguire Cup kept in Croke Park. Many that didn't get tickets in previous years at least had the latter to look forward to/attend.

Are they seriously doing this shite again?

Yes, there's a blond lady who has to follow the teams around to mind the cup, she's going to have her work cut out no matter who wins on Saturday. what are the odds of a pitch invasion? Quiet likely if its Mayo, also likely if its Tyrone even if they have obviously won it more recently, from where they were 4 weeks ago it'll seem like a miracle. Some craic

Never thought I'd be saying this but please God the COC rumours are just Connaught Telegraph shite talk.
Shades of Dermot Flanagan in 97, when he had a small hospital on his leg going into the match, could barely walk in the parade, had to be taken off after about 5 minutes and then JM nearly changed every line on the team to accommodate the substitution.
Not one of JM's finest hours.
We dont need the sideshow of a player who could not possibly be fit being parachuted in. Anyone who thinks Dooher and L
Unless it was some mad theory like, well he cant run but he can kick with his good foot so have him in standing in the corner to take frees! NFL special teams

Looking back at previous championship games between mayo and tyrone. While mayo have been sometimes unlucky in the final they got lucky in 2 previous championship games. In 2013 petey was taken out of it and not even a free given, a tackle outside the box was given as a penalty. In 2016 Lee constant off the ball fouling some how ended up with Sean getting sent off and they got a few more than generous calls in their favour.

Sorry not being a Dub, but TCs shoulder on Petey is in the textbook as to how to shoulder. Leeroy learned from the Ricey book of niggle and only got past chapter 2

Parts of it I agree with but on the field both teams have no one who has won an all Ireland...

Indeed, and the only AI winner about the place will be in our dressing room though! 

I don't think that matters at all... when the nerves are going in the last ten or fifteen he can't kick it over the bar or slow the game down at critical moments etc. Both teams IMO were nervy in the semis and should have won by more. Probably more Tyrone than Mayo in that regard tbh.

Probably right rh88.

The last ten or fifteen minutes of this, unless it's a hammering session one way or the other which very few think it will be, are going to be nervy.

Indeed, if I'm not lucky enough to get a ticket then I'll be behind the couch if its close int he last 10 minutes. funnily enough I'm very bad watching on TV, much less stressed when actually there.
Sound on, annoying commentator says something that pisses me off, sound off, silence for 10 minutes, try radio commentary, match is going well, someone moves where they are sitting, roar at them for moving, opposition score a point, all their fault for moving, go outside, walk around the house, say I'll check it again in 10 minutes, dont last 2, come back in, not going well, f**k this I'm not watching it anymore, go outside again, big roar from inside, run back in, we scored a goal, mighty, I'll watch the rest of it, loose the kickout and they point, f**k it, back out again. And on the madness goes......
So someone just give me a ticket, much better for my mental health, my family and pets collective safety

I was fully confident in 2017 to be honest. After they beat Kerry in the semi that year, I honestly couldn't see either Tyrone or Dublin beating them. This year, while it's a novel pairing has me thinking "ffs, we take out the Dubs and may lose another final".

Hard to allow myself to dream after all the disappointments in previous years.

That was the big fear before the Semi-Final, we take out the Dubs and then get beaten in the Final, admittedly most people thought Kerry would be in the Final.
It would be a sickener to be beaten by Kerry, as over the years of Dublin dominance they never laid a glove on Dublin and left  all the heavy lifting to Mayo.

Our All Ireland final appearances over the past 20 years generally throw whatever you think before hand out of the window when the game comes anyway. I've made solid cases in my own head where we might win only to be proven spectacularly wrong (2006 being the worst!) and gone to Croker presuming we were going to get trimmed only to nearly win it (2016, 2017)
We also do own goals, have the ref come down heavily in favour of the opposition, give the opposition a 1 goal head start and other mad things as well so who knows what madness next Saturday will bring. Feck all point analysing.

Whats peoples views on going up without one? I'd say there's very little chance of getting one on the day but I'm asking more about pubs and stuff and watching it up there. Talking to Cork people after the hurling they were saying pubs were rammed full and there were queues outside even when the match was going on, supposed to be table service and all that. Couple of pubs were shut down becuase they let people order at the bar and act like old times. The expectation is that the Guards will be all over it for the football knowing what mad hoors the Mayo and Tyrone gang are for the beer.
Its probably better to just stay at home if no ticket I imagine?

If its the Connaught Telegraph your talking about then paper never refused ink is all I'll say. If its the UK Telegraph then enough said.
Anyone who thinks this is a "great chance" doesn't know what they are talking about, Mayo are slight favourites with the bookies because thats where the money is going, but only slightly so.
Looking back at the respective semis, Mayo should never have won it, Tyrone had more of a structure and more of a plan. Mayo just ended up in a situation where they landed on the right side of the scoreboard for once.
Tyrone are more experienced, Mayo are half young bucks, potentially missing young player of the year and the highest scoring forward in the history of the GAA.
Tyrone have people in the setup who know how to/what its like to win senior all irelands recently, our collective experience is all about losing them.
I really dont see the case for making Mayo favorites.
Regarding the 70 year comment, the all ireland was won twice in 1996, should have been won again in 1997 but no-one thought to mark Maurice Fitz and at least once between 2012 and 2017. This is not the best chance by any means, being a point up and a man up, with 6 minutes to go in normal time and just after being awarded a scoreable free to go 2 up and waste some more time before someone decided to get themselves sent off was probably another one of the better chances over the past 70 years than this years final.

CAnt see how McLaughlin can start - double broken jaw?? Sure he wouldnt even have been eating. Its in the Telegraph so that probably means neither of them will ever play for Mayo again.
Having them would be huge, even if it was to come in at some stage. You cant keep losing quality players and it not have a big impact, without those 2 and COC Mayo are down 20% of a starting team with the additional impact of 3 impact subs moving into the starting team and 3 lesser lads moving onto the bench.

Fuckin daftness from O'Shea, really really poor judgement. It isnt going to make a difference to the result but in the list of hinder or help ya, its definitely in the doesnt help ya bucket. And if we lose then its just grist to the mill of Brolly, O'Rourke et al.

No yearraing from me, I just cant see where we (mayo) are going to get the scores from. Even with the matchups Tyrone have probably 2 Mayo forwards to quieten, Tommy C and Ryan. Tommy has great potential but only really lets loose in 5 to 10 minute bursts and then only really when in CHF, he can easily be bottled up in the corner. Ryan will bust his arse all day but does like to take 2 or 3 lads on and Tyrone will love that.

Tyone have lads in their dressing room who know what its like to win a senior all ireland medal, mayo do not. Will that have any influence on things on the day?

I dont think Dublin were ever considered tough back in the day, filthy yes, but not tough, theres a difference