Brexit.

Started by T Fearon, November 01, 2015, 06:04:06 PM

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bennydorano

Interesting week, Christ knows what's going to happen. Kunnesburg and to a lesser extent Peston seem to have a tendency on generating news rather than reporting it imo - especially in these mayhem scenarios.

RedHand88

Quote from: Tubberman on November 17, 2018, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on November 16, 2018, 11:52:50 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 16, 2018, 11:50:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 16, 2018, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 16, 2018, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on November 16, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2018, 04:52:16 PM
Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

Why does everyone make this assumption? Economists have looked into this and found that with the elimination of duplicate bureaucracy the island would be a lot better off.  GDP would be up, not down.

It would take time but yes it would be better longterm

It would take a long time and a lot of voters wouldn't be around to see that day.
The costs of integrating public bodies, civil service, rationalisation, cross-community integration,  enhanced security etc etc would be huge.

Germany had bigger problems and they made it work.

seafoid

Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 17, 2018, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on November 16, 2018, 11:52:50 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 16, 2018, 11:50:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 16, 2018, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 16, 2018, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on November 16, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2018, 04:52:16 PM
Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

Why does everyone make this assumption? Economists have looked into this and found that with the elimination of duplicate bureaucracy the island would be a lot better off.  GDP would be up, not down.

It would take time but yes it would be better longterm

It would take a long time and a lot of voters wouldn't be around to see that day.
The costs of integrating public bodies, civil service, rationalisation, cross-community integration,  enhanced security etc etc would be huge.

Germany had bigger problems and they made it work.
Sort of. The East is still much poorer
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Tubberman

Quote from: RedHand88 on November 17, 2018, 02:26:59 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 17, 2018, 08:16:25 AM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on November 16, 2018, 11:52:50 PM
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on November 16, 2018, 11:50:51 PM
Quote from: Tubberman on November 16, 2018, 10:08:48 PM
Quote from: ardtole on November 16, 2018, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: Sheugh Water on November 16, 2018, 08:34:41 PM
Quote from: screenexile on November 16, 2018, 04:52:16 PM
Corbyn is part of the reason the Country is in a mess. . . a load of left wing headbangers joined the Labour Party for 50p now there's no way they can force him out even though he's never going to appeal to the middle ground Labour need to win back Parliament.

Along with that he's a f**king Brexiteer so f**k him anyway. The UK is in severe bother but I actually think there is a way out of this if May sticks to her guns!!

Yep Irish nationalists should stay well clear of Corbyn. Not to be trusted

Nationalism is fine without Corbyn the border poll will be soon enough... the problem will be the Irish taking us on not the Brits casting us aside!!

You hit the nail on the head screenexile, if there was a vote in the 26 counties next week for Irish unity, I honestly think as low as 35/40% would be in favour.

i think it would be more like 55% in favour,  but it would be out of patriotism or a sense of nationalism and finality to the whole partition issue. it certainly wouldn't be down to personal gain because we would almost certainly be worse off.

Why does everyone make this assumption? Economists have looked into this and found that with the elimination of duplicate bureaucracy the island would be a lot better off.  GDP would be up, not down.

It would take time but yes it would be better longterm

It would take a long time and a lot of voters wouldn't be around to see that day.
The costs of integrating public bodies, civil service, rationalisation, cross-community integration,  enhanced security etc etc would be huge.

Germany had bigger problems and they made it work.

Not saying it couldn't/wouldn't work,  but those are just some of the reasons people might not vote for it
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall."

seafoid

No surrender!"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp

The Democratic Unionist Party and its leader, Arlene Foster, have expressed considerable irritation that Northern Irish business leaders have backed the draft EU-UK Brexit agreement.
Ms Foster has privately warned that business people were in danger of being exploited for political reasons amid the current turmoil over Brexit, it is understood.

Ms Foster privately told chamber members she was unhappy with the attitude taken by business, and that they did not understand the threat the agreement posed to the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.On
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Rossfan

What a silly cow!!
Maybe some of those business leaders have brains and some of them might even be Nationalists :o
DUPUDA still not getting that they are a minority.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

weareros

Times those Nordie business people copped on and started taking advice from the experts who know the world is a few thousand years old.

yellowcard

Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
No surrender!"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp

The Democratic Unionist Party and its leader, Arlene Foster, have expressed considerable irritation that Northern Irish business leaders have backed the draft EU-UK Brexit agreement.
Ms Foster has privately warned that business people were in danger of being exploited for political reasons amid the current turmoil over Brexit, it is understood.

Ms Foster privately told chamber members she was unhappy with the attitude taken by business, and that they did not understand the threat the agreement posed to the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.On

Her arrogance has no bounds, how she remains as the de facto leader of unionism is baffling.

armaghniac

Quote from: yellowcard on November 17, 2018, 03:49:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
No surrender!"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp

The Democratic Unionist Party and its leader, Arlene Foster, have expressed considerable irritation that Northern Irish business leaders have backed the draft EU-UK Brexit agreement.
Ms Foster has privately warned that business people were in danger of being exploited for political reasons amid the current turmoil over Brexit, it is understood.

Ms Foster privately told chamber members she was unhappy with the attitude taken by business, and that they did not understand the threat the agreement posed to the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.On

Her arrogance has no bounds, how she remains as the de facto leader of unionism is baffling.

Because unionists are arrogant?
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

BennyCake

Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
No surrender!"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp

The Democratic Unionist Party and its leader, Arlene Foster, have expressed considerable irritation that Northern Irish business leaders have backed the draft EU-UK Brexit agreement.
Ms Foster has privately warned that business people were in danger of being exploited for political reasons amid the current turmoil over Brexit, it is understood.

Ms Foster privately told chamber members she was unhappy with the attitude taken by business, and that they did not understand the threat the agreement posed to the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.On

You can't eat a fleg Arlene, ya feckin' tube.

BennyCake

Quote from: armaghniac on November 17, 2018, 03:59:26 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on November 17, 2018, 03:49:11 PM
Quote from: seafoid on November 17, 2018, 03:25:21 PM
No surrender!"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/foster-annoyed-at-ni-business-leaders-support-for-brexit-deal-1.3700531?mode=amp

The Democratic Unionist Party and its leader, Arlene Foster, have expressed considerable irritation that Northern Irish business leaders have backed the draft EU-UK Brexit agreement.
Ms Foster has privately warned that business people were in danger of being exploited for political reasons amid the current turmoil over Brexit, it is understood.

Ms Foster privately told chamber members she was unhappy with the attitude taken by business, and that they did not understand the threat the agreement posed to the union of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.On

Her arrogance has no bounds, how she remains as the de facto leader of unionism is baffling.

Because unionists are arrogant?

And irrational, deluded, nonsensical, etc...

seafoid

Imagine how it looks in Finland. NI gets a super deal and the DUP does a tantrum. Thinking Europeans will indulge them just as UK and Irish gvts always  had to.

What a shower of gobshites
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

yellowcard

I'm convinced the DUP want the north to be kept in an economic gutter so that the status quo is maintained. They are a group of conservative middle class professionals whose supporters are mostly working class Protestants. They have no interest in prosperity for the country outside of their own narrow financial interests. They know that demographics are slowly moving against them and that Brexit was going to be a toll of the dice to try and drive a few more taigs out of the place.

Imagine how their apoplectic anger over the preferential deal for the north looks to other EU member states who would love a similar arrangement. It just defies all logic.

BennyCake

If this Brexit deal is passed, the DUP are well and truly screwed.

NI cut adrift from rest of uk (as they see it)
No hard border or restrictions on all Ireland trade
Screwed over by British government (in their eyes)
Made arses of themselves in front of the rest of UK
They don't trust/like or want to be in the EU
Reluctant to power share with SF at Stormont

Where do they go? What's their next move?

tiempo

Quote from: BennyCake on November 17, 2018, 10:13:47 PM
If this Brexit deal is passed, the DUP are well and truly screwed.

NI cut adrift from rest of uk (as they see it)
No hard border or restrictions on all Ireland trade
Screwed over by British government (in their eyes)
Made arses of themselves in front of the rest of UK
They don't trust/like or want to be in the EU
Reluctant to power share with SF at Stormont

Where do they go? What's their next move?

All out var on ze natives