Brexit.

[Armamike]

It would be a major surprise if a deal is done. May is so incompetent and lacking in leadership ability I can't see how she could put anything credible together. If something is cobbled together in time it will probably not be her doing. The blunt reaction from the EU yesterday is just a sign of their frustration at her woeful efforts imo.

[screenexile]

It would be a major surprise if a deal is done. May is so incompetent and lacking in leadership ability I can't see how she could put anything credible together. If something is cobbled together in time it will probably not be her doing. The blunt reaction from the EU yesterday is just a sign of their frustration at her woeful efforts imo.

In fairness I feel sorry for her. There is no way anyone is getting a good deal out of this situation she either has no deal or gets shat upon by the EU. On the other side she only survives as PM by taking orders from the Christian right.

Once the referendum was counted we were fucked and really the only reasonable alternative is to have another referendum for remain to win (And I'm very sure they would this time) but that's not going to happen now either is it!!

[NAG1]

It would be a major surprise if a deal is done. May is so incompetent and lacking in leadership ability I can't see how she could put anything credible together. If something is cobbled together in time it will probably not be her doing. The blunt reaction from the EU yesterday is just a sign of their frustration at her woeful efforts imo.

In fairness I feel sorry for her. There is no way anyone is getting a good deal out of this situation she either has no deal or gets shat upon by the EU. On the other side she only survives as PM by taking orders from the Christian right.

Once the referendum was counted we were fucked and really the only reasonable alternative is to have another referendum for remain to win (And I'm very sure they would this time) but that's not going to happen now either is it!!

Probably about right here SE, damned if she does damned if doesnt.

The real disgusting thing about all of this is that it began with a row in a Tory party which Cameron thought he could sort and it will end with another row in the Tory camp which has prevented any reasonable chance of resolving this in a people focused manner.

Hopefully history will not forget or forgive them.

[JPGJOHNNYG]

And where the feck is David Cameron who is responsible for this whole mess?

[JPGJOHNNYG]

Nothing has changed in 2 yrs.
Options
1.oops we had a bit of a brain fart and we will correct it with a second ref
2.Uk to remain in CU and tell the brexiteers to f**k off
3.Special status NI and tell the DUP to f**k off
4. The current course of hard brexit WTO and Scot and Irish referendums and the split up of the UK
Those are the options and they have not changed in 2 yrs.
Time she picked one.

[saulzer]

Why not put it to the people of the North of Ireland in a referendum on wether they wish to remain as part of the EU Customs Union?

[93-DY-SAM]

The whole thing is a complete cluster f**k from start to finish. All this nightmare started to appease a small minority (at the time) in the Tory's while the now tear themselves apart and the rest of us who didn't want this are simply passengers, especially us in the North. See May has come out saying she will "work" to ensure there is no border. It's no longer the case there won't be any border. We are being used as pawns the the whole sorry episode.

Bring on a no deal and a border poll.

[From the Bunker]

And where the feck is David Cameron who is responsible for this whole mess?

The same place Nigel Farage is. Looking in from the outside.

[seafoid]

Nothing has changed in 2 yrs.
Options
1.oops we had a bit of a brain fart and we will correct it with a second ref
2.Uk to remain in CU and tell the brexiteers to f**k off
3.Special status NI and tell the DUP to f**k off
4. The current course of hard brexit WTO and Scot and Irish referendums and the split up of the UK
Those are the options and they have not changed in 2 yrs.
Time she picked one.

Sin é. Brexit is a fantasy

[seafoid]

The Torygraph wants no deal. I am not sure its readers do

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/09/21/theresa-may-downing-street-announcement-live-updates/

[armaghniac]

Why not put it to the people of the North of Ireland in a referendum on wether they wish to remain as part of the EU Customs Union?

Because Scotland would be on the phone in a shot looking for the same.

[seafoid]

Brexit has been great for polarising nationalism and Unionism, in fairness. Tony Fearon's  third way has been battered by ancient forces.
The unionist opposition to the Single Market just shows how hard it is to get people to act in their own interest sometimes.

[Rossfan]

Why not put it to the people of the North of Ireland in a referendum on wether they wish to remain as part of the EU Customs Union?

Because Scotland would be on the phone in a shot looking for the same.

They seem to be acting up already

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1431173-scots-politicians-brexit-challenge-goes-to-european-court/

[omaghjoe]

And where the feck is David Cameron who is responsible for this whole mess?

He only now appears in public in disguise.

[omaghjoe]

Anyone get the impression that a deal is done and this is just posturing to help May win support with the Brexiters by looking tough?
Or..
Are the EU trying to force them into a  No deal or remain situation? With a looming No-Deal scenario the support for a referendum on a No-deal would start to become overwhelming