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haranguerer

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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #2970 on: November 20, 2017, 12:29:26 PM »
Judging from your irrelevant babbling I really don't think you're grasping the conversation.

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« Reply #2971 on: November 20, 2017, 01:44:00 PM »
Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.
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« Reply #2972 on: November 20, 2017, 02:49:35 PM »
Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.

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« Reply #2973 on: November 20, 2017, 04:20:26 PM »
How ill Brexit effect the like of this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42052173

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« Reply #2974 on: November 20, 2017, 05:51:52 PM »
Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.

 ;D ;D ;D  you are a belter
Private Eye has the life expectancy news.

The rest is here

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/20/five-a-day-eating-targets-will-be-unaffordable-for-millions-after-brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/29/biggest-ever-study-of-food-banks-warns-use-likely-to-increase
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armaghniac

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« Reply #2975 on: November 20, 2017, 06:05:58 PM »
How ill Brexit effect the like of this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42052173

Some good discussion of this here https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1117/920981-long-read-brexit/
basically they have found 142 areas of cross border cooperation

on health it mentions
It requires equality of patient rights, but also things like single standards for medical devices, the approval of medicines at EU level, mutual recognition of medical qualifications, mutual acceptance of cross border ambulance activity.
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« Reply #2976 on: November 20, 2017, 06:06:46 PM »
Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.

 ;D ;D ;D  you are a belter
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« Reply #2977 on: November 20, 2017, 06:23:10 PM »
Given your history of puerile posts, there is little point explaining this to you Milltown, but I'll try.

If the UK put up a border, it will have to be manned by UK customs and British soldiers. Dissident republicans don't have much support not because of their ideology, but because they don't have a popular target. Put a border in manned by British forces and that changes.

If Brexit has the expected economic effect, especially along the border, there are going to be a lot of people disenchanted with a peace process which has left them still going through checkpoints and searched, NI still part of UK and further away from a UI than ever, and economically disenfranchised. Dissident republicanism gets a massive shot in the arm and popular support, attacks on the border increase, support increases in traditional republican areas in the cities again, army back on streets.

Why do you think the British are so keen to avoid a hard border? Their Brexit campaign was built on taking back control of borders, yet here they are saying they don't want one in Ireland?? The DUP certainly wouldn't complain too much (behind closed doors). The British can see the dangers. You're not able to see beyond the end of your nose (well done on being the only person to live through the Troubles by the way), so I don't expect you to be able to grasp this, but I do find it amusing that, when I pulled you about your Brexit view on another thread, you waited til I posted again so you could go after me. What a sad little man  ;D

Most of this would sum up my views too. Hard border= very bad for peace process.

The most worrying thing about this is that i genuinely do not believe the dup are interested in peace so a hard border would make little odds to them.

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« Reply #2978 on: November 20, 2017, 06:44:22 PM »
Given your history of puerile posts, there is little point explaining this to you Milltown, but I'll try.

If the UK put up a border, it will have to be manned by UK customs and British soldiers. Dissident republicans don't have much support not because of their ideology, but because they don't have a popular target. Put a border in manned by British forces and that changes.

If Brexit has the expected economic effect, especially along the border, there are going to be a lot of people disenchanted with a peace process which has left them still going through checkpoints and searched, NI still part of UK and further away from a UI than ever, and economically disenfranchised. Dissident republicanism gets a massive shot in the arm and popular support, attacks on the border increase, support increases in traditional republican areas in the cities again, army back on streets.

Why do you think the British are so keen to avoid a hard border? Their Brexit campaign was built on taking back control of borders, yet here they are saying they don't want one in Ireland?? The DUP certainly wouldn't complain too much (behind closed doors). The British can see the dangers. You're not able to see beyond the end of your nose (well done on being the only person to live through the Troubles by the way), so I don't expect you to be able to grasp this, but I do find it amusing that, when I pulled you about your Brexit view on another thread, you waited til I posted again so you could go after me. What a sad little man  ;D

Most of this would sum up my views too. Hard border= very bad for peace process.

The most worrying thing about this is that i genuinely do not believe the dup are interested in peace so a hard border would make little odds to them.

The D.U.P. are interested in peace but only on their terms. Maybe they should fast forward from 1968. I never fell for that Iain Paisley Chuckle Brothers shite. They took a long time to come to the table and only conceded what they knew the suckers on the other side would settle for in their desperation to get their hands on power.
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« Reply #2979 on: November 20, 2017, 06:53:21 PM »
I really am not convinced.  They can only survive in a divided society. Then again my opinion may be tainted by my disdain for them.

In a truly peaceful society I don't see a place for them.

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« Reply #2980 on: November 20, 2017, 07:32:02 PM »
I really am not convinced.  They can only survive in a divided society. Then again my opinion may be tainted by my disdain for them.

In a truly peaceful society I don't see a place for them.
They define themselves in  terms of not being Irish. They need a 21st century identity.  .
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« Reply #2981 on: November 20, 2017, 07:37:41 PM »
Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.

 ;D ;D ;D  you are a belter
Private Eye has the life expectancy news.

The rest is here

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/20/five-a-day-eating-targets-will-be-unaffordable-for-millions-after-brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/29/biggest-ever-study-of-food-banks-warns-use-likely-to-increase

Same life expectancy for the south, which had no Brexit
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Re: Brexit.
« Reply #2982 on: November 20, 2017, 07:58:45 PM »
Same life expectancy for the south, which had no Brexit

Brexit hasn't the effect yet.
Life expectancy in the south is one year longer for both men and women than in the occupied territories, and is slightly longer for woman than in England.

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/hscims-life-expectancy-decomposition-2017.pdf
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« Reply #2983 on: November 20, 2017, 08:31:13 PM »
Same life expectancy for the south, which had no Brexit

Brexit hasn't the effect yet.
Life expectancy in the south is one year longer for both men and women than in the occupied territories, and is slightly longer for woman than in England.

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/hscims-life-expectancy-decomposition-2017.pdf

Thatís you sorted then!

Looked at my area and Iíve another (on average) 33 years! But if/when Brexit hits I wonít get another 10!
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« Reply #2984 on: November 20, 2017, 11:29:01 PM »
Same life expectancy for the south, which had no Brexit

Brexit hasn't the effect yet.
Life expectancy in the south is one year longer for both men and women than in the occupied territories, and is slightly longer for woman than in England.

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/hscims-life-expectancy-decomposition-2017.pdf
20 years ago mortality in the South was 6% higher than in the occupied territories
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