Brexit.

[Milltown Row2]

Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.

  you are a belter

[GJL]

How ill Brexit effect the like of this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42052173

[seafoid]

Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.

  you are a belter

Private Eye has the life expectancy news.

The rest is here

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/20/five-a-day-eating-targets-will-be-unaffordable-for-millions-after-brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/29/biggest-ever-study-of-food-banks-warns-use-likely-to-increase

[armaghniac]

How ill Brexit effect the like of this?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-42052173

Some good discussion of this here https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2017/1117/920981-long-read-brexit/
basically they have found 142 areas of cross border cooperation

on health it mentions
It requires equality of patient rights, but also things like single standards for medical devices, the approval of medicines at EU level, mutual recognition of medical qualifications, mutual acceptance of cross border ambulance activity.

[michaelg]

Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.

  you are a belter

Belter or melter?

[imtommygunn]

Given your history of puerile posts, there is little point explaining this to you Milltown, but I'll try.

If the UK put up a border, it will have to be manned by UK customs and British soldiers. Dissident republicans don't have much support not because of their ideology, but because they don't have a popular target. Put a border in manned by British forces and that changes.

If Brexit has the expected economic effect, especially along the border, there are going to be a lot of people disenchanted with a peace process which has left them still going through checkpoints and searched, NI still part of UK and further away from a UI than ever, and economically disenfranchised. Dissident republicanism gets a massive shot in the arm and popular support, attacks on the border increase, support increases in traditional republican areas in the cities again, army back on streets.

Why do you think the British are so keen to avoid a hard border? Their Brexit campaign was built on taking back control of borders, yet here they are saying they don't want one in Ireland?? The DUP certainly wouldn't complain too much (behind closed doors). The British can see the dangers. You're not able to see beyond the end of your nose (well done on being the only person to live through the Troubles by the way), so I don't expect you to be able to grasp this, but I do find it amusing that, when I pulled you about your Brexit view on another thread, you waited til I posted again so you could go after me. What a sad little man 

Most of this would sum up my views too. Hard border= very bad for peace process.

The most worrying thing about this is that i genuinely do not believe the dup are interested in peace so a hard border would make little odds to them.

[Avondhu star]

Given your history of puerile posts, there is little point explaining this to you Milltown, but I'll try.

If the UK put up a border, it will have to be manned by UK customs and British soldiers. Dissident republicans don't have much support not because of their ideology, but because they don't have a popular target. Put a border in manned by British forces and that changes.

If Brexit has the expected economic effect, especially along the border, there are going to be a lot of people disenchanted with a peace process which has left them still going through checkpoints and searched, NI still part of UK and further away from a UI than ever, and economically disenfranchised. Dissident republicanism gets a massive shot in the arm and popular support, attacks on the border increase, support increases in traditional republican areas in the cities again, army back on streets.

Why do you think the British are so keen to avoid a hard border? Their Brexit campaign was built on taking back control of borders, yet here they are saying they don't want one in Ireland?? The DUP certainly wouldn't complain too much (behind closed doors). The British can see the dangers. You're not able to see beyond the end of your nose (well done on being the only person to live through the Troubles by the way), so I don't expect you to be able to grasp this, but I do find it amusing that, when I pulled you about your Brexit view on another thread, you waited til I posted again so you could go after me. What a sad little man 

Most of this would sum up my views too. Hard border= very bad for peace process.

The most worrying thing about this is that i genuinely do not believe the dup are interested in peace so a hard border would make little odds to them.

The D.U.P. are interested in peace but only on their terms. Maybe they should fast forward from 1968. I never fell for that Iain Paisley Chuckle Brothers shite. They took a long time to come to the table and only conceded what they knew the suckers on the other side would settle for in their desperation to get their hands on power.

[imtommygunn]

I really am not convinced.  They can only survive in a divided society. Then again my opinion may be tainted by my disdain for them.

In a truly peaceful society I don't see a place for them.

[seafoid]

I really am not convinced.  They can only survive in a divided society. Then again my opinion may be tainted by my disdain for them.

In a truly peaceful society I don't see a place for them.

They define themselves in  terms of not being Irish. They need a 21st century identity.  .

[Milltown Row2]

Would SF be better at looking after working class people than the DUP ? This will be a key determinant of what happens post Brexit imo. 
The UK is in a very dark place right now. Life expectancy will be falling soon. Poorer people can't afford healthy food and the NHS is being starved of money so people are dying earlier.

  you are a belter

Private Eye has the life expectancy news.

The rest is here

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/nov/20/five-a-day-eating-targets-will-be-unaffordable-for-millions-after-brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/jun/29/biggest-ever-study-of-food-banks-warns-use-likely-to-increase

Same life expectancy for the south, which had no Brexit

[armaghniac]

Same life expectancy for the south, which had no Brexit

Brexit hasn't the effect yet.
Life expectancy in the south is one year longer for both men and women than in the occupied territories, and is slightly longer for woman than in England.

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/hscims-life-expectancy-decomposition-2017.pdf

[Milltown Row2]

Same life expectancy for the south, which had no Brexit

Brexit hasn't the effect yet.
Life expectancy in the south is one year longer for both men and women than in the occupied territories, and is slightly longer for woman than in England.

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/hscims-life-expectancy-decomposition-2017.pdf

That's you sorted then!

Looked at my area and I've another (on average) 33 years! But if/when Brexit hits I won't get another 10!

[seafoid]

Same life expectancy for the south, which had no Brexit

Brexit hasn't the effect yet.
Life expectancy in the south is one year longer for both men and women than in the occupied territories, and is slightly longer for woman than in England.

https://www.health-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/health/hscims-life-expectancy-decomposition-2017.pdf

20 years ago mortality in the South was 6% higher than in the occupied territories

[trentoneill15]

I voted to leave the EU as I have no connection to Europe, I don't view myself as European and I believe the ever increasing European population in my region is more harmful to our heritage than a big wall on the border would be.
At the end of the day Europeans don't integrate into our Gaelic society, they are right not to as that's the way people work, the Irish in USA didn't integrate into English American society, the Gaels in Scotland didn't become Picts and lose their Gaelic culture, the Europeans in Australia didn't take up Aboriginal culture.

[heganboy]

the Europeans in Australia didn't take up Aboriginal culture.

thats right, they slaughtered them and took their land, imagine if someone invaded and that happened in Ireland.

your gaelic society? are you looking forward to seeing the occupied 6 as the bastion of Gaelic culture, separated from the rest of the island, that sounds like a likely outcome...