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Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« Reply #6720 on: November 18, 2017, 12:20:28 PM »
Only stupid fans will think Martinís whole time as manager of the ROI team will be remembered for putting on subs at halftime of a playoff for the World Cup with that squad!
You think it was about 2 subs at half time?
Among many things, he will be remembered for this, the most inept tactical performance by an Irish manager in a competitive game (arguably)  ever. Basic player mistakes for the most part are also down to O'Neill.
O'Neill's plan for this game was destined to lose (even after we scored) and then to compound the errors, he made those substitutions which sabotaged any minute chance that the game could be salvaged.
There was mention that it was the worse since Cyprus,  but Stan was a complete rookie for that game when he like O'Neill made errors with midfield and tactics in general, O'Neill has no such excuse for that shambles.

No I never said that! Some other plonker did though! But you actually think if the best manager in the world was in charge of Ireland he would have got this team to the finals!  As heíd have not made those substitutions and the other things youíve failed to mention..next youíll be telling me Ireland can play attractive attacking football if Brendan Rogers was in charge!

Martin was the best man for the job, took a shit team to the Euros and one game away from Qualification for World Cup! Was nil nil away to Denmark and one up after 5 mins! The players went to shit, arguing and lost the run of themselves and were hyped up and nervous, the occasion got to them .. but hey it was the manager, had they not even have got close to qualification id say yeah move on Martin but I canít see the quality manager your have in mind coming in
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« Reply #6721 on: November 18, 2017, 01:20:08 PM »
I think expectations are unrealistic. Soccer is not the national sport. Coaching levels would not be cutting edge. Ireland doesn't have the discipline either. 
Other countries with sporting focus other than soccer ,such as Austria, are also mediocre.
Enjoy the good days when they happen.
In a lot of parts of the country, soccer is the only show in town. The participation numbers are big. There should be enough to work with. Though maybe the GAA gets first dibs on tougher rural lads and soccer gets the scaldy townies.

The bigger issue is why are players produced in Ireland so technically poor compared to their counterparts? You could blame the the weather and pitches to a certain degree, but Scandanavian countries have bigger issues here.

I think the bigger problem is that, similar to Britain, Irish culture is very risk averse and this feeds into how sport is played. The mentality boils down to 'if in doubt, get rid of it'. Latin cultures are more open to players taking a bit of risk and less down on those who might get caught out trying to be inventive.
I have lived in the UK and on the Continent and there is a huge difference in how sports technique is taught. I was doing tennis lessons in Switzerland and the coach had played at Wimbledon. He was English. We spent 6 months doing the basics. How to position yourself, the swing, the follow through.
It takes time to get the body to adhust to the correct procedure.

I couldn't believe how detailed it was.  A lot of people play tennis by moving their wrist. Nobody who is properly coached does that. Tennis in the UK is very hit and miss.

I think in Ireland and the UK things tend towards the haphazard. People learn techniques independently . Continental countries tend to have a  much more systematic approach. If Germany had the GAA and Bavaria was Mayo there is no way that the Bavaria forwards would only be able to kick points off one foot.

GAA coaching is very trina cheile. Managers have very different styles. Then you have all the chopping and changing.

The technical levels of the soccer team would vary a lot. Normally the deficiencies are covered up by a defiant attitude but when you come across a team in the groove that doesn't work.

In the Olympics for example you have to be accurate. That is why we win so few medals. Ireland wouldn't have a notion in sports like gymnastics, archery, pentathlon, diving . It is not really part of the culture to do things properly.  England is similar.

The English premier league has a lot of highly talented players but the culture of the game is not very sophisticated.
The 2011 Champions league final is like a demonstration of the difference. Man U were destroyed.   

RoI and Holland are staying at home. The Irish are bitching about the manager. The Dutch are wondering if they need to adjust 4-3-3.  Jaysus.
same with american sports
very technical coaching

it comes back to the status of PE coaching in Ireland. PE is not mandatory, is not an exam subject, schools have terrible facilities generally, you get no credit for participation

there are very few full time sports coaches in Ireland. Most are volunteers. the chance for upskilling and learning is limited

almost every country in europe has more technical footballers than Ireland

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« Reply #6722 on: November 18, 2017, 01:24:58 PM »
Nope youíre wrong itís the managers fault!! Main Street is convinced
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« Reply #6723 on: November 18, 2017, 03:56:06 PM »
Lack of areas in modern housing developments hinder the skills development of todays childer. Years ago kids played on street, but few cars were about, or on big green areas.

As kids, we were out every opportunity we got, at school too. Kids play organised football but its all structured and stifles creativity.

It's not the whole reason Ireland produce less technical players but it's definitely a factor.

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« Reply #6724 on: November 18, 2017, 04:23:00 PM »
Lack of areas in modern housing developments hinder the skills development of todays childer. Years ago kids played on street, but few cars were about, or on big green areas.

As kids, we were out every opportunity we got, at school too. Kids play organised football but its all structured and stifles creativity.

It's not the whole reason Ireland produce less technical players but it's definitely a factor.

Reminds me of the show where Johnny Giles returned to the square where he lived as a young lad. All he could see was "No ball playing allowed" signs.
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« Reply #6725 on: November 18, 2017, 06:18:02 PM »
Nope youíre wrong itís the managers fault!! Main Street is convinced
It's not the manager's fault. It's everyone and everything else that's to blame. Black and white and that's that.

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« Reply #6726 on: November 19, 2017, 12:18:49 AM »
Only stupid fans will think Martinís whole time as manager of the ROI team will be remembered for putting on subs at halftime of a playoff for the World Cup with that squad!
Stupid fans and remembering his whole tenure aside. Do you think bringing McGeady on was a good managerial decision? In my book it was absolutely shocking and brings into question what he offers us from here.

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« Reply #6727 on: November 19, 2017, 01:02:06 AM »
Only stupid fans will think Martinís whole time as manager of the ROI team will be remembered for putting on subs at halftime of a playoff for the World Cup with that squad!
Stupid fans and remembering his whole tenure aside. Do you think bringing McGeady on was a good managerial decision? In my book it was absolutely shocking and brings into question what he offers us from here.

Another dope! One decision a gamble over that period? So expert manager tell me your experience in this other than watching football
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« Reply #6728 on: November 19, 2017, 10:34:13 AM »
So you have to be a professional in any field you have an opinion on? You must be some boy going by your posts on this forum. What the f**k has my experience got to do with anything? Pity you couldn't answer a simple question.

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« Reply #6729 on: November 19, 2017, 11:01:11 AM »
So you have to be a professional in any field you have an opinion on? You must be some boy going by your posts on this forum. What the f**k has my experience got to do with anything? Pity you couldn't answer a simple question.

Having some knowledge would help, other than that youíre just talking shite
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« Reply #6730 on: November 19, 2017, 11:03:08 AM »
Plonker, dope, talking shite. Another thread down.

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« Reply #6731 on: November 19, 2017, 04:09:15 PM »
So you have to be a professional in any field you have an opinion on? You must be some boy going by your posts on this forum. What the f**k has my experience got to do with anything? Pity you couldn't answer a simple question.

Having some knowledge would help, other than that youíre just talking shite

Fair enough big lad. I'll bow to your superior knowledge on the subject of talking shite.

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« Reply #6732 on: November 19, 2017, 07:48:57 PM »
Dig out the stats of Martinís management with Ireland..

Since Sep 2015 Ireland have beaten teams ranked 2, 12, 13 & 20 in competitive games. Before that the best was 33rd.. thatís just one stat
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« Reply #6733 on: November 19, 2017, 11:17:22 PM »
Dig out the stats of Martinís management with Ireland..

Since Sep 2015 Ireland have beaten teams ranked 2, 12, 13 & 20 in competitive games. Before that the best was 33rd.. thatís just one stat

Hard to argue with those statistics tbf.

Mcgeady's introduction was strange and perhaps loyalty played a part. That consistent  loyalty probably contributes to the great team bond, associated with o'neills teams, and therefore contributes to his team's punching above their weight over several years.
His tight at the back system is totally dependent on clean sheets, and such miserliness has provided a necessary platform for his teams, providing success away from home for example.
However when goals are conceded , there has to be a totally different emphasis, which by necessity involves being more cavalier to create more chances, employing creative players who are lacking  defensively. O'Neill has been roundly criticised for not using these creative players, like Hoolahan, enough.
He employed them on Tuesday and look what happened.
Do we honestly think that if he had shut up shop after the Danish goal and tried to steal a very unlikely  goal on the break, he wouldnt have been criticised even more?
We don't have the quality due to relatively poor numbers, poor interest, poor coaching , poor organisation in the country as a whole. We are not a soccer nation.  O'Neill and Keane's approach had us punching above our weight throughout their tenure, but when we met genuine quality, and/or went behind, we were often found out.
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« Reply #6734 on: November 19, 2017, 11:40:13 PM »
Only stupid fans will think Martinís whole time as manager of the ROI team will be remembered for putting on subs at halftime of a playoff for the World Cup with that squad!
Stupid fans and remembering his whole tenure aside. Do you think bringing McGeady on was a good managerial decision? In my book it was absolutely shocking and brings into question what he offers us from here.

McGeady on was a horrible gamble. We needed 2 goals but when was the last time (ever?) MCGeady created or scored a goal for us? He is talented but looks like he doesnt know what he is doing and couldnt cross his legs never mind beat the 1st man. Tbh i didnt even know he was still on the squad when he was brought on.

Id have had Long on from the start....he hasnt been scoring but always puts a shift in and has been proven to do it in big games...couldnt believe be only got 10 mins

Look theres no doubt we got lucky in so many games throughout the campaign but what other manager can or could do better with the talent (or lack of) we have? We do not play any football...which is amazing as the Danes are nlt world beaters....they have many mediocre players but only 1 star. I think we were gutless not to have the balls to try and keep the ball and play football...real bravery is getting on and keeping the ball
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