The Many Faces of US Politics...

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J70

Quote from: whitey on March 10, 2017, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 10, 2017, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 10, 2017, 10:44:48 AM
Quote from: omochain on March 10, 2017, 02:28:31 AM
Never let data get in the way of your gut feeling.

I can't remember the technical term, but when dealing with statistics sample sizes need to be somewhat similar in order for comparisons to be meaningful......4M versus 300M???

I doubt that 4+ million people could ever be considered an inadequate or too asymmetric a sample size. You're not talking comparing 5 people with 5000. Random bias is not going to be an issue when you're in the millions. And it also depends on what statistics and methods you're using. In some methods, lopsided samples can cause the result to lean too heavily on the larger one, but that's why software allows you to randomly pull a certain number of cases from the hat to make your sample. I'm sure the statisticians who generate these figures are well aware of these issues.


https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/whom-are-they-kiddingHi

Who rankings are subjective and not solely statistically based

Perhaps, but that is a different argument.

Will take a look at that later - I'm assuming Cato want no government involvement in ANYTHING to do with healthcare?

screenexile

It's a pity Trump doesn't recognise the employment and wage figures otherwise he could paint them as a massive win for his first few months of Presidency, even though the figures are clearly an Obama legacy . . .

I wonder what he will do?!

whitey

Quote from: J70 on March 10, 2017, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 10, 2017, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 10, 2017, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 10, 2017, 10:44:48 AM
Quote from: omochain on March 10, 2017, 02:28:31 AM
Never let data get in the way of your gut feeling.

I can't remember the technical term, but when dealing with statistics sample sizes need to be somewhat similar in order for comparisons to be meaningful......4M versus 300M???

I doubt that 4+ million people could ever be considered an inadequate or too asymmetric a sample size. You're not talking comparing 5 people with 5000. Random bias is not going to be an issue when you're in the millions. And it also depends on what statistics and methods you're using. In some methods, lopsided samples can cause the result to lean too heavily on the larger one, but that's why software allows you to randomly pull a certain number of cases from the hat to make your sample. I'm sure the statisticians who generate these figures are well aware of these issues.


https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/whom-are-they-kiddingHi

Who rankings are subjective and not solely statistically based

Perhaps, but that is a different argument.

Will take a look at that later - I'm assuming Cato want no government involvement in ANYTHING to do with healthcare?

If you think somewhere like Morocco, Greece, Chile or Columbia has better healthcare than the US then knock yourself out

seafoid

Whitey, Cuba is far poorer than the US and has better health outcomes. It is not a plutocracy.
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

J70

Quote from: whitey on March 10, 2017, 02:03:48 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 10, 2017, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: whitey on March 10, 2017, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 10, 2017, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: whitey on March 10, 2017, 10:44:48 AM
Quote from: omochain on March 10, 2017, 02:28:31 AM
Never let data get in the way of your gut feeling.

I can't remember the technical term, but when dealing with statistics sample sizes need to be somewhat similar in order for comparisons to be meaningful......4M versus 300M???

I doubt that 4+ million people could ever be considered an inadequate or too asymmetric a sample size. You're not talking comparing 5 people with 5000. Random bias is not going to be an issue when you're in the millions. And it also depends on what statistics and methods you're using. In some methods, lopsided samples can cause the result to lean too heavily on the larger one, but that's why software allows you to randomly pull a certain number of cases from the hat to make your sample. I'm sure the statisticians who generate these figures are well aware of these issues.


https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/whom-are-they-kiddingHi

Who rankings are subjective and not solely statistically based

Perhaps, but that is a different argument.

Will take a look at that later - I'm assuming Cato want no government involvement in ANYTHING to do with healthcare?

If you think somewhere like Morocco, Greece, Chile or Columbia has better healthcare than the US then knock yourself out

I don't know if they do.

You seem sure that they don't.

Why?

Gmac

Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
It's a pity Trump doesn't recognise the employment and wage figures otherwise he could paint them as a massive win for his first few months of Presidency, even though the figures are clearly an Obama legacy . . .

I wonder what he will do?!
if the employment numbers were down 300k what would u be saying ?


screenexile

Quote from: Gmac on March 10, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
It's a pity Trump doesn't recognise the employment and wage figures otherwise he could paint them as a massive win for his first few months of Presidency, even though the figures are clearly an Obama legacy . . .

I wonder what he will do?!
if the employment numbers were down 300k what would u be saying ?

What I say isn't really important I'm not the President!!

J70

Quote from: Gmac on March 10, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
It's a pity Trump doesn't recognise the employment and wage figures otherwise he could paint them as a massive win for his first few months of Presidency, even though the figures are clearly an Obama legacy . . .

I wonder what he will do?!
if the employment numbers were down 300k what would u be saying ?

Is his point not that Trump and many other Republicans have been calling the jobs numbers bullshit for years? Including saying that the Dept. of Labor was making them up?

Now that the Obama trend is continuing under Trump, suddenly Spicer and the rest are lauding the decent figures coming out of the "deep state".

seafoid

Quote from: J70 on March 10, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: Gmac on March 10, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
It's a pity Trump doesn't recognise the employment and wage figures otherwise he could paint them as a massive win for his first few months of Presidency, even though the figures are clearly an Obama legacy . . .

I wonder what he will do?!
if the employment numbers were down 300k what would u be saying ?

Is his point not that Trump and many other Republicans have been calling the jobs numbers bullshit for years? Including saying that the Dept. of Labor was making them up?

Now that the Obama trend is continuing under Trump, suddenly Spicer and the rest are lauding the decent figures coming out of the "deep state".
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/840277753777680384
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

Eamonnca1

Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2017, 10:17:48 PM
Quote from: J70 on March 10, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: Gmac on March 10, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
It's a pity Trump doesn't recognise the employment and wage figures otherwise he could paint them as a massive win for his first few months of Presidency, even though the figures are clearly an Obama legacy . . .

I wonder what he will do?!
if the employment numbers were down 300k what would u be saying ?

Is his point not that Trump and many other Republicans have been calling the jobs numbers bullshit for years? Including saying that the Dept. of Labor was making them up?

Now that the Obama trend is continuing under Trump, suddenly Spicer and the rest are lauding the decent figures coming out of the "deep state".
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/840277753777680384


"President Trump on the job report, per Sean Spicer: "They may have been phony in the past, but it's very real now.""

*headdesk*

DrinkingHarp

GOP and Conservative Supporters, do you agree with this?

Seems like Big Government taking over sponsored by the GOP.

And before the "Fake News" spigot turns on, I watched this on FOX News.


Bill would let employers penalize workers who say no to genetic testing:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-genetic-testing-20170313-story.html

Gaaboard Predict The World Cup Champion 2014

J70

So is it time to throw away our microwave ovens, given Kelly Anne's concerns that they could be used for spying and snooping?

Is there any depth of idiocy and bullshit to which these morons will NOT descend? Are they deliberately testing to see how dumb their supporters are?

seafoid

Lots of poorer GOP voters like the idea of Government supported health insurance....

https://twitter.com/reihan/status/841455872119361538/photo/1
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU