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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 08, 2017, 06:47:11 AM »
I went to Palestine 18 years ago. I thought Israel was interested in peace. It took me years to figure out why it isn't. 
When a problem is never resolved you have to understand what is driving it.

Israel is fucked with Holocaust trauma. You cannot move to another part of the world after a genocide and expect kids to grow up normal.

I was reading an article about Svetlana Alexievich who won the 2015 Literature Nobel . There is a reason Israelis are vicious c***ts who don't want peace and it goes back to World war 2 and the death zone where the largest numbers of people were murdered. Timothy snyder wrote a book about the region between belarus Poland and Ukraine called bloodlands.  That is the homeland ofthe ashkénazi Jews so people like Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon. 
27 Million soviet citizens died in WW2. That is unimaginable. 

Alexievich writes about the after effects. Russia is fucked with trauma. So is Israel.  Netanyahu is insane like Putin’s insane. And they know how to manipulate their people.


http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

"The book touches on topics that were taboo during the Soviet period and have once again been excised from Putin’s Russia: the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, by which Stalin and Hitler carved up Europe, the executions of deserters and the psychological effects of war for years to come. Her subjects recall sweaty nightmares, grinding teeth, short tempers and an inability to see forests without thinking of twisted bodies in shallow graves.

We thought we’d leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can’t leave this and become free, because these people don’t understand what freedom is.”




Ukrainians were blamed for the misery and subjected to harsh requisitions and reprisals that channeled starvation on to their territory, whereas Soviet citizens as a whole were told that collectivization was a grand success hindered only by nationalists and saboteurs.

It was collectivization, along with World War II (known as the “Great Fatherland War”), that created the Soviet Union that people of Alexievich’s generation experienced. Both were calamities that were covered in beautiful myths, myths that worked in part because people wanted individual suffering and death to have meaning. Collectivization was said, in retrospect, to have been necessary for victory in war, and victory in war was taken to demonstrate the legitimacy of the system as such.

When we confront, today, the myth of the Great Fatherland War and of Stalin as a good manager, we are hearing not the echoes of the events themselves, but of the memory campaign of the 1970s.

In the towns of the western Soviet Union that Alexievich knew best, urban life was not simply a novelty for some, but a novelty for almost everyone, since prewar urban classes had been destroyed by war, Holocaust, and deportation
Minsk was (and remains) a capital of Soviet nostalgia, where the straw of wartime suffering is spun into the gold of political meaning. No Soviet republic suffered more from the war than Belarus, and its partisans and its “hero cities” became the loci of the cult of remembrance.

She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a “collective Putin.” As she put it, “Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are.”"

This is from an Israeli site


https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/1.780819

Speaking on Channel 2’s "Meet the Press," Omer said: “The government has come and taken control of a public broadcasting agency, and the prime minister has decided that he'll appoint the anchors and the editors and the reporters.”
 


“We have become Turkey or Russia,” the broadcasting corporation chairman added.0 "

Israel will never get better. Something awful will happen to it.

Poland suffered horrifically during WW2. How do explain them not becoming c***ts?
Good question.
The Polish govt is also authoritarian and paranoid . The twin brother of the president died in a plane crash and the president says it was a conspiracy  The justice system is not up to EU standards.  MeDia are muzzled and there is a huGE controversy over a museum of the Holocaust and what is avceptable as history. Anyone who says Poles killed Jews is a traitor say the Government. Poland is not much better.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 07, 2017, 08:36:11 PM »
I went to Palestine 18 years ago. I thought Israel was interested in peace. It took me years to figure out why it isn't. 
When a problem is never resolved you have to understand what is driving it.

Israel is fucked with Holocaust trauma. You cannot move to another part of the world after a genocide and expect kids to grow up normal.

I was reading an article about Svetlana Alexievich who won the 2015 Literature Nobel . There is a reason Israelis are vicious c***ts who don't want peace and it goes back to World war 2 and the death zone where the largest numbers of people were murdered. Timothy snyder wrote a book about the region between belarus Poland and Ukraine called bloodlands.  That is the homeland ofthe ashkénazi Jews so people like Netanyahu and Ariel Sharon. 
27 Million soviet citizens died in WW2. That is unimaginable. 

Alexievich writes about the after effects. Russia is fucked with trauma. So is Israel.  Netanyahu is insane like Putin’s insane. And they know how to manipulate their people.


http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/10/12/svetlana-alexievich-truth-many-voices/

"The book touches on topics that were taboo during the Soviet period and have once again been excised from Putin’s Russia: the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, by which Stalin and Hitler carved up Europe, the executions of deserters and the psychological effects of war for years to come. Her subjects recall sweaty nightmares, grinding teeth, short tempers and an inability to see forests without thinking of twisted bodies in shallow graves.

We thought we’d leave communism behind and everything would turn out fine. But it turns out you can’t leave this and become free, because these people don’t understand what freedom is.”




Ukrainians were blamed for the misery and subjected to harsh requisitions and reprisals that channeled starvation on to their territory, whereas Soviet citizens as a whole were told that collectivization was a grand success hindered only by nationalists and saboteurs.

It was collectivization, along with World War II (known as the “Great Fatherland War”), that created the Soviet Union that people of Alexievich’s generation experienced. Both were calamities that were covered in beautiful myths, myths that worked in part because people wanted individual suffering and death to have meaning. Collectivization was said, in retrospect, to have been necessary for victory in war, and victory in war was taken to demonstrate the legitimacy of the system as such.

When we confront, today, the myth of the Great Fatherland War and of Stalin as a good manager, we are hearing not the echoes of the events themselves, but of the memory campaign of the 1970s.

In the towns of the western Soviet Union that Alexievich knew best, urban life was not simply a novelty for some, but a novelty for almost everyone, since prewar urban classes had been destroyed by war, Holocaust, and deportation
Minsk was (and remains) a capital of Soviet nostalgia, where the straw of wartime suffering is spun into the gold of political meaning. No Soviet republic suffered more from the war than Belarus, and its partisans and its “hero cities” became the loci of the cult of remembrance.

She also very quickly explained that the fault lay not with one man but with the experiences of Soviet generations, now reworked for new wars. When she listed the fake descriptions of events in Ukraine in the Russian media, she spoke of Russian society as a “collective Putin.” As she put it, “Putin placed his bet on the basest instincts and won. Even if he disappeared tomorrow, we would remain as we are.”"

This is from an Israeli site


https://www.google.ch/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/1.780819

Speaking on Channel 2’s "Meet the Press," Omer said: “The government has come and taken control of a public broadcasting agency, and the prime minister has decided that he'll appoint the anchors and the editors and the reporters.”
 


“We have become Turkey or Russia,” the broadcasting corporation chairman added.0 "

Israel will never get better. Something awful will happen to it.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 07, 2017, 03:03:48 PM »
It could well be that Israel called this move, knowing well it may spark another intifada.   That would then give Israel all the justification they need to take over the remainder of the West Bank in a "war on terror" with the full backing of Trump.
Israel has no long term strategy to defend apartheid.
In the US 70% of non Orthodox Jews have left the religion. One of the reasons is the extremism of Israel .
It is a mess . And Jerusalem under Israeli rule is a kip.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Your GAA highlight of 2017
« on: December 07, 2017, 11:00:04 AM »
The excitement after Ros bate Galway was one of the highlights of a poor football championship .

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 07, 2017, 10:52:54 AM »
This is what the DUP are fighting for.
It goes way beyond Protestant dog whistling and identity politics.  This is about the future of the NHS. It is about life expectancy and infant mortality and what sort of society people expect. The DUP want to slash social spending  .    

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/06/the-guardian-view-on-the-brexit-crisis-time-to-stop-the-fanatics

three hardline Brexit MPsrattled their swords behind Mrs May with insistences that no red lines must be crossed. It is clear that the fanatics scent blood. They see an opening to ensure the talks collapse next week with the no-deal outcome that they crave as the prelude to their desired bonfire of the social regulations.

In an important intervention this week, Nick Clegg made clear that the leave fundamentalists are focused on reaching March 2019 with the minimum of pledges to regulation or convergence.

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 07, 2017, 10:08:49 AM »
It's a f**k you to Muslims!!

He wants to be seen as the President who's tough on Islamist crime and it's hard to do that when there isn't any to speak of. Easier to stoke the fires and bring it upon himself and then act like the tough guy.

He's an absolute piece of shit!

It's a holy place for Christians too. Now he wants it to be the Capital of Zionism.

Is it in the hope to get an excuse to extend and rank the war on Terrorism?

He is a piece of Sh. I laughed him off as an idiot for too long. He is an idiot but not the buffoon type of idiot.
There was an article about Trump in one of the French papers. Laughing at him while he destabilises the world.

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 07, 2017, 10:07:26 AM »
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/06/the-guardian-view-on-the-brexit-crisis-time-to-stop-the-fanatics

Since Monday, however, it has become much clearer that the UK government’s failures and incompetence on Brexit go wider and deeper. Philip Hammond confirmed on Wednesday what this column had reported, that the cabinet has never at any time had a specific discussion about the kind of Brexit that it is aiming for. As Sir Keir Starmer said in a Guardian article, membership of the single market, the customs union and a role for the European court of justice were simply swept off the table as options by Theresa May’s grossly irresponsible diktat of October 2016.

David Davis’s revelations at the Brexit select committee on Wednesday compounded that lack of direction with further shocking admissions. Amid clouds of characteristic bluster and solipsistic swagger, it eventually became clear that Mr Davis has at no point set about an assessment of the consequences of Brexit for the British economy and for UK jobs and conditions. The “impact assessments” for 58 UK economic sectors that parliament had demanded in order to better understand the Brexit options turned out not to exist at all. The only rational explanation for this extraordinary neglect of public duty and misleading of MPs is that Mr Davis knows such impact assessments would paint a bleak picture wholly at odds with the vacuous optimism of the Brexiters.

The document that Mrs May had intended to sign on Monday before the DUP vetoed it is a practical one as far as it goes. The thread running through it is the UK government’s quiet willingness to compromise on the key issues – rights, money and Ireland – set out in Michel Barnier’s April 2017 brief, presumably in the over-optimistic hope that this will help secure a beneficial trade deal with the EU in phase two. Yet when Mrs May was challenged on her Brexit strategy at prime minister’s questions on Wednesday, she gave none of the leadership that is now needed in defence of compromise, convergence, alignment and the economic security that she should have invoked. Instead she reiterated the deluded and contradictory mantra that has got Britain into this mess in the first place – leave the single market and customs union, no hard border and a close partnership.

This proved enough to see off a disappointingly ineffective, though welcome, set of criticisms of her Brexit handling by Jeremy Corbyn at PMQs. But it cut no ice at all with either the DUP, who are in their element as the tail wagging the Tory dog, or with the Tory party’s Brexit obsessives. Following Iain Duncan Smith’s lead on Tuesday night, in which, completely irrationally, the former party leader accused the EU not the UK of causing the talks breakdown, three hardline Brexit MPsrattled their swords behind Mrs May with insistences that no red lines must be crossed. It is clear that the fanatics scent blood. They see an opening to ensure the talks collapse next week with the no-deal outcome that they crave as the prelude to their desired bonfire of the social regulations.

The crucial question in politics is therefore whether the pro-Europeans have the weapons and organisation to stop this. In an important intervention this week, Nick Cleggmade clear that the leave fundamentalists are focused on reaching March 2019 with the minimum of pledges to regulation or convergence. Those who oppose this scorched-earth Brexit must now match them, steel for steel, working as one, as Mr Clegg argued. That approach requires significant amendments to the withdrawal bill and parliamentary votes that put the national interest ahead of party. As so often, for the bad people to triumph it requires merely that their opponents do nothing effective. That happened in the referendum campaign. It absolutely must not happen again now.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Tom Humphries
« on: December 07, 2017, 10:03:53 AM »
Eminem and DR Dre in the second part of the song

https://youtu.be/Xbw_BxDwdjk

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:32:50 AM »
Simon Jenkins

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/05/theresa-may-dup-eu-deal-minority-party

"Fudge is good only if it tastes sweet. Theresa May’s deal with the EU on Irish border trade is apparently too bitter for Ulster’s Democratic Unionist party to stomach. Yesterday they wielded a veto. A British government at an international summit was humiliated by a minority partypursuing a minority point of view. It is why governments should never rely on extremist parties. The DUP has three days to make amends, or a terrible vengeance should be taken on them.



It does not matter that the DUP is hypocritical. Decades of Westminster indulging its political primitivism have come home to roost. Unionists have demanded separatism on education, trade, corporate taxes, abortion, homosexuality and a host of pet issues, yet they want to call themselves “British”. They are Irish."

Go on my son

Jaysus when you see the head of a buck like that calling the DUP Irish, you know the Brits are getting mad.

But its the last line of the very same article that annoys the f**k out of me;

Northern Ireland cannot stop it.


It's not Northern Ireland it's the DUP and that message needs to get across from the rest of the parties in NI.

Michelle is beginning to make those soundings, but she needs to do it louder and to a wider audience. The SDLP and Alliance also. The UUP, who the f**k knows what they're at with Brexit.
Even Sylvia Hermon has called out this narrative.

I still don't get how "unionist" business leaders who trade outside the wee six aren't jumping up and down on the DUP for pulling the plug on a deal that would have meant a little more red tape when shipping to GB but at least the whole of the European union market would remain pretty seamless.
Business should be a lot more vocal about the damage that Brexit will cause 

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General discussion / Re: Brexit.
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:30:26 AM »
https://m.independent.ie/business/brexit/theresa-may-to-provide-new-text-for-brexit-border-deal-within-24-hours-36385722.html
They got 48 hours.
Business in the UK needs clarity.

This is senior hurling. It could all fall apart before the weekend.

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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:29:09 AM »
I am not saying there wasn't discrimination.I am saying that it was over exaggerated and giving the extremely positive example of my own family in an overwhelmingly Protestant town to support my claim.In any event,due to a raft of reforms, institutional  discrimination was largely defeated 40 years ago.I know of at least two retail catholic family businesses that were established in Portadown town centre in the mid 1960s that are still going strong in the same location,today.That couldn't happen without the support of all the people.

Seriously in my life I've heard the "just because I am a Catholic" excuse used for every possible scenario,from failing exams to not getting picked for football teams!

I seriously don't think we would have had the same opportunities in the impoverished South,growing up.
The southern economy took off in the 60s.
That was when the protestant industries began to collapse as well.
The south leveraged education while the north descended into violence.
That is why the south is stronger now  .

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General discussion / Re: A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:26:37 AM »
Even my maternal grandmother made her way as a young girl,from Catholic East Tyrone to Black Portadown,to find work as a servant girl in one of the big houses.As she and my parents often said there was always work for anyone who wanted it.
Wages and conditions are more important than just having a job And the plural of anecdote is not data. .

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General discussion / Re: The Many Faces of US Politics...
« on: December 07, 2017, 09:24:22 AM »
so, whitey, fox and stew, how did you qualify to get there?
I applied for a visa and poof! There it was.
Which poof?

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General discussion / Re: The Palestine thread
« on: December 07, 2017, 06:09:34 AM »
It is bad for Israel because it is blatant.  Israel needs the Illusion of a peace process to secure the land. Apartheid looks very bad.

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