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Sometimes a great team's time is up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdoKkuN1qx8

We need to bring together the finest song-writers in the country to pen a new anthem for a new Ireland.
I'm talking Coulter, St. John, Brady, Shiels, Logan etc.

Hozier would give it bhfaca tu. He is an amazing lyricist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSVMgRr6pw

good old Indo
http://www.independent.ie/style/voices/caitlin-mcbride-theres-a-reason-brad-pitt-and-angelina-jolies-divorce-feels-so-personal-35064832.html

I love the anthem before an All Ireland Final. It's a great day to be Irish, and the anthem adds to it and adds to the build up I think. Sure the f**king Champions League has to invent an anthem to try and build a sense of occasion.

I'd play the anthem at every county final, every provincial final and every All Ireland final. I don't think we need to play it before every single intercounty game.

Agreed
No need for AnF at discos either

[hagiographical]

Most articles written about Jim are purely hagiographical accounts so it's interesting to see one that exhibits Jim warts and all.

His demeanor, single mindedness and his obtuse nature very much reflect other great managers of our generation. Cody and Harte are equally flawed as individuals, both are uncompromising and, for avowed Christian's, particularly unforgiving. That's what's make them champions though and what irks me is that when you win a championship all of a sudden you're a white knight and society's hero. That's what makes shite like "Jim for president" and "blue-print for our education system" so nauseating.

We can respect these individuals and their feats, there is no need for the over the top adulation.

Brilliant word!

Think I seen it a year ago in the wiki article about neil Jordan's "hagiographical" film about Michael Collins. I'm probably using it wrong or in the wrong tense but it's a good word.

I had to look it up, but I think it is perfect for Jim.

there is a special class of manager that scares the bejaysus out of journalists because of their knowledge and intensity. Cody is one. McGuinness is another.

Brian O'Connor strikes again.
I'm pretty indifferent to the anthem being played to be honest.
Don't think it does any harm but I wouldn't be up in arms if it was gone tomorrow.
Nothing to do with inclusivity, I just don't think it has a place in domestic sport.
There's a reason we don't sing it well before GAA games and that's because we're all Irish.
We should have county anthems instead.
Now there's an idea!
Feel free to nominate your chosen song. 

Mead : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTCQBuYhq_s

I was at it last year. Nice atmosphere but the food was awful. Loads of hurley makers.
RTE very prominent. Spit on me, Marty.

Dublin were good but they compete in a dead province. Kilkenny had the same problem in the early years of the Cody regime and they got ambushed a few times. Regarding longevity,  Dublin are not Kilkenny.

They won the 2011 All Ireland with a last minute free. They beat Kerry by 3 points  last year. Wow. They are not galacticos.
They can bitchslap Kerry but they have 2 wins, 2 draws and a loss against Mayo. 

Maybe the Mayo semi last year was the real all Ireland.

Mayo have been held back by psychological issues but maybe Rochford has addressed them. They were also weak tactically previously. Perhaps they have improved in this area.  Maybe they do have the balls.
And media are lazy. Reading the Indo last weekend was very insightful.

J. K. Galbraith "The conventional wisdom"gives way not so much to new ideas as to "the massive onslaught of circumstances with which it cannot contend".

Mayo by 5

It must be in his contract or something.
Was hoping it would be Darragh Maloney.

"One way of looking at the history of the human group is that it has been a continuing struggle against the veneration of 'crap'." Neil Postman

[She appears to have met the churchs criteria for a saint so why would they not make her one?]

She appears to have met the churchs criteria for a saint so why would they not make her one?

Alot of shite talked here like Mother Theresa was a medical professional running a hospice or hospital. Her charities were performed by nuns with litle or no professional training so of course their medical services are not going to be on a a par with a modern hospital. But a medical hospital couldn't afford to provide the care coverage in the way her charities did.

As for her statement about the poor I dont agree with i,t but Im looking at it from a bigger picture than her. She is not a politician she was just someone who saw the poor and helped them so i understand where she was coming from. Imagine a Christian nurse wading into India and telling their culture and traditions need to be changed, she would likely have been burned out of it.

This is a good place to start.

Can you reference the Bible's criteria on saints?

Whats the bible got to do with it?

For a start, to answer Tony's question, Papal Infallibility cannot conflict with scripture. So that is why I was asking where the church's criteria for Sainthood comes from. Because if it isn't in the Bible, it is garbage under the church's own rules.

It is like employee of the month.
The Church''s audience is no longer in Europe despite the sterling efforts of Tony. It is in poorer countries in Latin America, Africa and bits of Asia where people are less likely to question the process.

Joe the big 3 monotheistic religions all have this inbuilt notion of progress. And climate change will show that to be nonsense.

This is superb

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-and-mayo-are-peers-but-they-are-not-seen-as-equals-1.2798747

Dublin and Mayo are peers but they are not seen as equals
Close your eyes and imagine Mayo had given away a three point lead in injury time
about 12 hours ago

Malachy Clerkin
The greatest rebranding exercise in Irish sport took place in Croke Park seven years ago. Nothing to do with Mayo or Dublin, nothing to do with the GAA at all, in fact. No, it was the day Leinster rugby rose up as one and thumped Munster in the Heineken Cup semi-final in front of 82,000.
It was a duffing, plain and simple. A brutal declaration of not taking this anymore. It was a kid who'd spent years being picked on turning bully and very much enjoying it.
If you put together a montage you'd overlay it with Thom Yorke of Radiohead sneering "this is what you get when you mess with us".
It's funny now to look back and recall just how easy it was to insult Leinster in those days. There was the Ladyboy stuff, obviously, but not all the jibes were that unsubtle.
I remember being on a radio panel that afternoon on a makeshift stage at the front of the Croke Park hotel and one of the other talking heads making fun of Isa Nacewa's kicking style out of his hand.
The rest of us kind of chuckled along, but not because we had given it any particularly deep thought before. It was more that, yeah, sure that's the kind of thing Leinster would do, isn't it? Bring in a fella to play full-back who didn't kick the ball properly. That was, like, soooo Leinster.
Everything changed for them that day.
They beat Munster 25-6 and by three tries to none, and went on to win their first Heineken Cup three weeks later. They followed up with two more, and nobody ever mentioned Ladyboys again. Nacewa, of course, became a club legend.
Second Captains

Nobody laughs at Leinster now. When they fail, they get criticised. It's not always even-handed and it can often be harsh and even spiteful, as with all teams. But the undercurrent of derision that was once there is a long-since faded memory. That's what happens in sport. Winning changes how people see you, and it takes a lot to change it back.
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Swap the jerseys
Close your eyes and swap the jerseys last Sunday. Imagine Mayo had been three points up in the 69th minute and still found a way not to win.
Imagine they'd been a point up with two minutes to go and Cillian O'Connor had tried to score from a sideline ball, leaving enough time on the clock after he missed for Dublin to equalise from the kickout.
Imagine the combination of pity and disdain that would have been directed Mayo's way.
Imagine also what would have been said about Dublin. The mark of champions. Stuck to their process, trusted their experience. Dug it out when the need was greatest. Never beaten till they're beaten. All guff, really. But – and this is the key point – all thoroughly believable guff.
When you win you put a nice big chunk of change on deposit in the bank where nobody can touch it.
You are forgiven for all manner of ills and spills because you have shown that you have a record of being able to get across the line. Judgement is usually sensible and mostly benign.
When you don't win people don't want to hear it. It's a simple truth that Mayo have given Dublin stiffer examinations than Kerry since 2011 – Kerry have lost four from four, Mayo have one win, two draws and two defeats.
Yet if this was a Dublin-Kerry replay we were preparing for it is unlikely you would be hearing very much talk of Kerry having left it behind them the first day.
Instead the inevitable consensus says that Dublin can't possibly be as bad in the replay as they were on Sunday. They will find their feet, their shooting boots and enough goals of their own not to have to rely on Mayo's.
Gripe pile
Sure as night follows day, this view has annoyed some Mayo people no end. It goes on the gripe pile, along with – and this is not a gag – the fact that there were two Dubs on The Sunday Game panel the other night. One of them was Des Cahill. This is the sort of paranoia that strikes people who feel they are not being taken seriously.
They should let it wash over them, frankly. Leaving Croke Park on Sunday night it was hard to feel too sorry for the gathered thousands of Mayo people on the streets.
Leave aside all the fatalism and the talk of famine and all the rest of it. This must be an enthralling time to feel connected to the Mayo football team.
Honesty
Imagine looking down from the stands and seeing those players as your representatives. The honesty, the drive, the total manic unwillingness to allow their myriad flaws define them.
There are plenty worse things you could be doing with your life than following the Mayo football team around.
For the rest of us, though, it's disgustingly simple. Time and again over the past five seasons Dublin and Mayo have shown themselves to be peers. Yet there is no chance of them being seen as equals unless and until Mayo go and beat them. You are who you are until you change who you are.
Only one way to do that.

[She appears to have met the churchs criteria for a saint so why would they not make her one?]

She appears to have met the churchs criteria for a saint so why would they not make her one?

Alot of shite talked here like Mother Theresa was a medical professional running a hospice or hospital. Her charities were performed by nuns with litle or no professional training so of course their medical services are not going to be on a a par with a modern hospital. But a medical hospital couldn't afford to provide the care coverage in the way her charities did.

As for her statement about the poor I dont agree with i,t but Im looking at it from a bigger picture than her. She is not a politician she was just someone who saw the poor and helped them so i understand where she was coming from. Imagine a Christian nurse wading into India and telling their culture and traditions need to be changed, she would likely have been burned out of it.

This is a good place to start.

Can you reference the Bible's criteria on saints?

Whats the bible got to do with it?

For a start, to answer Tony's question, Papal Infallibility cannot conflict with scripture. So that is why I was asking where the church's criteria for Sainthood comes from. Because if it isn't in the Bible, it is garbage under the church's own rules.

Maybe in Calvinist churches, but not the Catholic church where scripture  would be considered more in need of interpretation as it is all in context of time and situation

Why did Jesus leave so much open to interpretation according to some who interpret His word? Surely anyone can see that such system would be open to abuse.

Think about it, why is the greatest authority in the universe, i.e. The Word of God, left wide to open to interpretation by every crackpot ever born? What is the point of that? Why bother??

The prophets operated between the bronze and iron ages.
They had a limited understanding of things
They probably were a great bunch of lads but I wouldn't live off a Bronze age diet
Climate change will destroy the monotheistic religions

Papal infallibility is incompatible with bureaucracy and misogyny. JP2 was a chancer.

Say Mayo had won. The forward allstars would have been decided by the rain. That is not right.