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#18331
There is social pressure to conform and women have a thing about wanting to please and the 2 together can be pretty consistent over international borders. Social pressure is very strong. I don't agree either that sex doesn't sell.
#18332
General discussion / Re: Tuam Babies
March 12, 2017, 06:06:21 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 11, 2017, 09:56:21 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2017, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 11, 2017, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2017, 08:29:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 10, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
Got you, thanks.
Where did he get the 5 x figure from?
Based on unmarried mothers'  infant mortality statistics in general or just  from those who went to the institutions?
Diarmuid Ferriter in the video link
Where did he (Diarmuid) get the 5 x figure from?  and is that 5x figure based on Irish unmarried mothers' infant mortality statistics in general or is it specifically based on the infant mortality rates in the institutions?

I'd hazard a guess that the 5x higher figure be the infant mortality rates in the institutions, based recorded deaths/numbers of  instutionalised mothers and comparing that to the figures in general.
It must be from institutional data . Very few of those children were outside the gulag system
On the contrary, there are records of thousands of children born to unmarried mothers, who gave birth supported by their families/friends.

Though sometimes I find it hard to imagine that there was so much sex in the dark decades. 
Love in times of the looming crucifix.
If we hadn't had the menacing influence of the dark catholic church down through the centuries, I reckon the Irish if left to an organic evolution, would have been among the most care free, randy tribe on the planet.
The attitude to sex was heavily influenced by the Victorian
English. If 5x is institution/population you would need hundreds of thousands of stay at home kids of unmarried mothers to have an appreciable difference on the 5x. Because it related to a minority group of less than 10% of the population. Once a child entered the institutional.system it was at a higher level of risk.

I remember kids who were supposed to be children of their grandparents.
#18333
Very poor form

Meanwhile back on the mainland there is real rage over the budget and tax increases .
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/

Brits have no idea how bad the UK economy is.
Brexit is supposed to be risk free. And it won't be
#18334
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
March 11, 2017, 09:11:43 PM
Quote from: Estimator on March 11, 2017, 08:36:05 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
They might end up losing 3. 1990s standard

They lost 3 in 2013.
doing it twice in the space of a few years would be very 1990s
#18335
General discussion / Re: Tuam Babies
March 11, 2017, 09:10:41 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 11, 2017, 06:42:19 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 11, 2017, 08:29:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 10, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
Got you, thanks.
Where did he get the 5 x figure from?
Based on unmarried mothers'  infant mortality statistics in general or just  from those who went to the institutions?
Diarmuid Ferriter in the video link
Where did he (Diarmuid) get the 5 x figure from?  and is that 5x figure based on Irish unmarried mothers' infant mortality statistics in general or is it specifically based on the infant mortality rates in the institutions?

I'd hazard a guess that the 5x higher figure be the infant mortality rates in the institutions, based recorded deaths/numbers of  instutionalised mothers and comparing that to the figures in general.
It must be from institutional data . Very few of those children were outside the gulag system
#18336
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
March 11, 2017, 07:47:39 PM
They might end up losing 3. 1990s standard
#18337
General discussion / Re: Tuam Babies
March 11, 2017, 02:05:53 PM
Very good Diarmuid Ferriter video here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpMLB1icn0w

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/a-scholar-with-passion-on-his-mind-1.670834

.....the letters to various authorities written in the 1950s by a survivor of Letterfrack, Peter Tyrrell, underpin Ferriter's palpable anger at what he sees as the greatest failure of the State: the abandonment of the strong pledges in the Democratic Programme of the first Dáil to make the welfare of children the central priority of the new republic.
"There's a complete betrayal at a very early stage of some of the promises that were made around welfare and especially around children. It's doubly galling that children were so much a part of the revolutionary rhetoric and yet everything we did flew in the face of the notion that children were meant to be prized."
Ferriter also uses a document in which the first taoiseach, William Cosgrave, suggested that children brought up in workhouses could be of no use to the State and should either emigrate or be kept in institutions. The retention of the hated workhouse system (with the institutions merely renamed as "county homes") directly contradicted one of the key promises in the Democratic Programme.
Filming in the old workhouse in Dingle, Ferriter found himself carried beyond his script. "The place is practically unchanged since the 19th century. You can really sense the desolation and the sense of abandonment.
"There's a line in that scene where I say 'The retention of these institutions was a sick joke.' That line wasn't in the script at all, but as I was standing there amidst all that, I thought I had to say it."
...
#18338
General discussion / Re: Brexit.
March 11, 2017, 01:09:04 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on March 11, 2017, 12:46:47 PM
Tuesday if today's papers are correct.

See another  high profile brexiteer (Tim Martin of Wetherspoons) saying his industry needs special dispensation in relation to staff hiring. There was another getting the pish ripped out of him on Twitter during the week as well, cant remember who atm.

It feels really unprepared & chaotic.

A lot of high profile Tories looking a snap Election as well to kill off Labour.

I think this is the best Brexit video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUjLmw4bgq0

They didn't expect to win. They didn't plan it

the tory faithful are going nuts over national insurance for the self employed. Things are going to get a lot worse before they get worse

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/10/poll-analysisone-seven-conservative-voters-less-likely-vote/
#18339
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
March 11, 2017, 12:13:51 PM
Wales lost to Scotland and England. Ireland might be on for the reverse triple crown.
#18340
General discussion / Re: Tuam Babies
March 11, 2017, 08:57:35 AM
There was no social welfare system.The poor were divided into hard working respectable and pariahs  The latter had no chance.  Even now court reports include the line "comes from a respected family.  "  This story is mostly about poverty.
#18341
General discussion / Re: Tuam Babies
March 11, 2017, 08:29:49 AM
Quote from: Main Street on March 10, 2017, 11:11:03 PM
Got you, thanks.
Where did he get the 5 x figure from?
Based on unmarried mothers'  infant mortality statistics in general or just  from those who went to the institutions?
Diarmuid Ferriter in the video link
#18342
Quote from: AhNowRef on March 10, 2017, 06:18:28 PM
Quote from: michaelg on March 10, 2017, 05:53:29 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on March 10, 2017, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: michaelg on March 10, 2017, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: north_antrim_hound on March 10, 2017, 05:08:54 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2017, 03:47:45 PM
Quote from: Minder on March 10, 2017, 03:42:59 PM
The Irish Language act only became an issue when Paul Givan ended/"couldn't find" the £50k funding. How many Programmes for Government have SF & DUP signed up for without an Irish Language act?
And how much did the election cost?

Wouldn't have cost anything if fister would have stepped down and her party would still have petition of concern

SDLP want her to step aside as well and rightly so
Shinners will always have some bashers and some of the criticism justified but to say they are no better than DUP i find laughable
No fan of the DUP myself, but the SF mantra about Respect, Integrity etc is a bit hard to swallow when you consider what the Republican movement was up to not too long ago.  Granted we should try to look forward, but the whiter than white impression taht they try to project is a bit OTT / hard to  take.

Well until an Irish version of ghandl comes along I don't know any party that's gonna challenge the DUP regime with the moral ethics required to some on here
I never supported SF when they were connected with the recent times you mentioned
But Mc Guinness walking out and refusing to work with them to they get their house in order was more than any other party done and a move that commanded my respect
Lesser of the two evils all day long in my view
If your looking for conventional politics you where born in the wrong place
DUP and their precious POC so they can delegate against minorities is not my idea of power sharing
Good post.  Couldn't agree more about the POC.  Excuse my ignorance, but how could the POC be removed?  Could its removal be included in any new agreement reached?

It cant be removed, or at least it shouldnt .. its a very good thing when operated in its correct terms as it protects minorities ,,, it was never intended for the way the DUP abuse it .. i.e. Protecting (allegedly ::)) Corrupt DUP ministers & SPADs or vetoing any little thing that they dont 100% agree with like same sex marriage etc...

Maybe the terms of it can be altered to prohibit its abuse..

A lot of the GFA Stormont mechanisms are out of date given the demographics  and the unionist capacity to do a reverse ferret for the sake of power.

NI doesnt need guaranteed cabinet seats for everyone. It can tolerate an opposition. It needs one now anyway because of Brexit.

1998 or whenever is a different world. Back then SF was a pariah . The mechanisms were set up to allow it to share it in power as a minority a long way from the scale of unionism.
Two things have changed.

All the "principled" Ulster Unionists like Foster and Donaldson who left the party  over SF ended up.working with them in the DUP. And the main unionist party is barely bigger than SF now. The conditions that allowed the Unionists to run a caste system no longer exist.

Stormont is stuck in a time warp.
#18343
Quote from: J70 on March 10, 2017, 06:51:37 PM
Quote from: Gmac on March 10, 2017, 03:30:19 PM
Quote from: screenexile on March 10, 2017, 01:59:13 PM
It's a pity Trump doesn't recognise the employment and wage figures otherwise he could paint them as a massive win for his first few months of Presidency, even though the figures are clearly an Obama legacy . . .

I wonder what he will do?!
if the employment numbers were down 300k what would u be saying ?

Is his point not that Trump and many other Republicans have been calling the jobs numbers bullshit for years? Including saying that the Dept. of Labor was making them up?

Now that the Obama trend is continuing under Trump, suddenly Spicer and the rest are lauding the decent figures coming out of the "deep state".
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/840277753777680384
#18344
General discussion / Re: Tuam Babies
March 10, 2017, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: Main Street on March 10, 2017, 10:11:56 PM
Quote from: seafoid on March 10, 2017, 09:21:31 PM
Infant mortality rates for illegitimate kids in 30s to 50s were 5 times normal which were already high
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpMLB1icn0w
What is your exact point?
I have already stated repeatedly in this thread that the infant mortality rates dropped radically in the mid 1940's,
meanwhile the infant death rates in Tuam were a constant high.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3053035/figure/F1/

the difference between death rates for kids from families and those whose mothers were not married
#18345
General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
March 10, 2017, 09:57:01 PM
The no Connacht policy is not working