https://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/jim-gavin-in-standoff-with-rt-over-dvd-dispute-36601769.html
I thought the Dubs would be able to afford HD by now.
Unlike Harte however Gavin will sort this out... sideshow
Gavin stops talking to rte. Hardly a big miss like, is it? Sure he says feck all of interest anyway.
Another 'toys out of the pram' moment from Jim Gavin.
Seriously who does he think he is?
dublin going too well so deflect attention away from all talk of 4 in a row
Well done Jim Gavin.
Mr Smug & Mr Angry.
No big loss.
will Jim make his players do same as Harte as done?
I wonder how Jim Bob would feel if the Commercial Director from a competing county was allowed to put in a guest appearance on the Sunday Game and cast dispersions on some of his best players using grainy and inconclusive video evidence
Quote from: longballin on February 14, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
will Jim make his players do same as Harte as done?
How come not one ex player has ever came out and said there is a ban. Because there isn't one. Quit making up lies
I'm no fan of Mickey Harte but at least he has a genuine grievance against RTE.
Quote from: redzone on February 14, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
Quote from: longballin on February 14, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
will Jim make his players do same as Harte as done?
How come not one ex player has ever came out and said there is a ban. Because there isn't one. Quit making up lies
they know they cant step outside it. Ffs! Sean Cavanagh was on RTE less than 24 hours after his last game.
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 14, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
I'm no fan of Mickey Harte but at least he has a genuine grievance against RTE.
Exactly the point I was going to make.
The only way to hurt Jim and the lads is by hurting them in the pocket
With all their money they can't afford to video a game?
Maybe Jim has gotten a rise and Dublin Gaa have to cut costs.
Quote from: whitey on February 14, 2018, 05:08:34 PM
I wonder how Jim Bob would feel if the Commercial Director from a competing county was allowed to put in a guest appearance on the Sunday Game and cast dispersions on some of his best players using grainy and inconclusive video evidence
I wouldn't like it 😅😅😅
Quote from: TheGreatest on February 14, 2018, 03:33:37 PM
Well done Jim Gavin.
Yes well done Jim! How dare a Television Company located in Dublin deny the Dublin team their exclusive rights to Dublin Game DVD's! Any way Jim is a busy man. I'm sure he does not have time for interviews after games, sure there are all those e-mails to be checked for work.
(https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.1534916.1379707157!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/box_620_330/image.jpg)
Quote from: Kuwabatake Sanjuro on February 14, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
I'm no fan of Mickey Harte but at least he has a genuine grievance against RTE.
so he dont speal to them but let the players speak.
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Quote from: longballin on February 14, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
will Jim make his players do same as Harte as done?
How come not one ex player has ever came out and said there is a ban. Because there isn't one. Quit making up lies
they know they cant step outside it. Ffs! Sean Cavanagh was on RTE less than 24 hours after his last game.
The reason none of the players speak to rte is because it's a there way of showing Harte that they believe in him and support him 100%. That's straight from a players mouth. If you were the manager longballin and rte made a sketch that made fun of what happened I'd say the lads would show you the same solidarity. Harte will never talk to rte again, and if you were in his shoes neither would you
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Quote from: longballin on February 14, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
will Jim make his players do same as Harte as done?
How come not one ex player has ever came out and said there is a ban. Because there isn't one. Quit making up lies
they know they cant step outside it. Ffs! Sean Cavanagh was on RTE less than 24 hours after his last game.
100% agree
The reason none of the players speak to rte is because it's a there way of showing Harte that they believe in him and support him 100%. That's straight from a players mouth. If you were the manager longballin and rte made a sketch that made fun of what happened I'd say the lads would show you the same solidarity. Harte will never talk to rte again, and if you were in his shoes neither would you
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Quote from: longballin on February 14, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
will Jim make his players do same as Harte as done?
How come not one ex player has ever came out and said there is a ban. Because there isn't one. Quit making up lies
they know they cant step outside it. Ffs! Sean Cavanagh was on RTE less than 24 hours after his last game.
The reason none of the players speak to rte is because it's a there way of showing Harte that they believe in him and support him 100%. That's straight from a players mouth. If you were the manager longballin and rte made a sketch that made fun of what happened I'd say the lads would show you the same solidarity. Harte will never talk to rte again, and if you were in his shoes neither would you
RTE made fun of him telling them they had to use Brian Carty to commentate for more games. If players feel so strongly why go on RTE as soon as their Tyrone careers are over? captain Sean within a day.
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Quote from: longballin on February 14, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
will Jim make his players do same as Harte as done?
How come not one ex player has ever came out and said there is a ban. Because there isn't one. Quit making up lies
they know they cant step outside it. Ffs! Sean Cavanagh was on RTE less than 24 hours after his last game.
The reason none of the players speak to rte is because it's a there way of showing Harte that they believe in him and support him 100%. That's straight from a players mouth. If you were the manager longballin and rte made a sketch that made fun of what happened I'd say the lads would show you the same solidarity. Harte will never talk to rte again, and if you were in his shoes neither would you
RTE made fun of him telling them they had to use Brian Carty for more games. If players feel so strongly why go on RTEas soon as their Tyrone careers are over... captain Sean within a day.
That's the weirdest bit of attempted humour ever. Loser
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Quote from: longballin on February 14, 2018, 05:00:49 PM
will Jim make his players do same as Harte as done?
How come not one ex player has ever came out and said there is a ban. Because there isn't one. Quit making up lies
they know they cant step outside it. Ffs! Sean Cavanagh was on RTE less than 24 hours after his last game.
The reason none of the players speak to rte is because it's a there way of showing Harte that they believe in him and support him 100%. That's straight from a players mouth. If you were the manager longballin and rte made a sketch that made fun of what happened I'd say the lads would show you the same solidarity. Harte will never talk to rte again, and if you were in his shoes neither would you
RTE made fun of him telling them they had to use Brian Carty for more games. If players feel so strongly why go on RTEas soon as their Tyrone careers are over... captain Sean within a day.
That's the weirdest bit of attempted humour ever. Loser
yeah wasnt overly funny was really saying you wont tell us what to do.
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
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Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
Other than Davey Fitz I couldn't care less if I heard any managers interviewed ever again. Pundits the same.
Do what TG4 do Monday nights. Show the highlights, then feck off.
Harte had a genuine grievance with RTÉ, he took the choice of skit song as a slight against his daygters death. To be fair to Harte he never fell out with them before, talking to them all through the puke football debacle and brollys rants.
And Harte has no media ban in place either. Previous panels have been free to speak to RTÉ but thought better of it given the poor taste in which RTÉ lampooned their manager and cousin of one of their team mates.
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Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
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Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
Quote from: BennyCake on February 14, 2018, 10:55:24 PM
Other than Davey Fitz I couldn't care less if I heard any managers interviewed ever again. Pundits the same.
Do what TG4 do Monday nights. Show the highlights, then feck off.
+1.
Games are not won by talking to the media.
I hope more managers follow suit with RTE who have gotten away with murder over the years.
Just 2 football dictators who dont get their way!
I thought more of you would be happy you didn't have to listen to Gavin after Dublin matches. No pleasing some people.
Oh don't get us wrong. The last thing people want to listen to is Jim's banal talk.
I guess people are getting sick of Dublin GAA's attempt to control RTE and the GAA. In less than 6 months we've had the Diarmuid Connolly incident, the gym at Abbotstown and now this. When things don't go as they want they act like petulant children.
Were Dublin's games not on Eir sport?
Jim won't be able to last the relentless pace set by Mickey
Mickey Harte hits out at 'agenda against Tyrone (http://"https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/mickey-harte-hits-out-at-agenda-against-tyrone-36605951.html")
When asked if Tyrone sometimes got excessive blame for defensive football, he said,
"Yes, but we don't want to be sounding like the victim".
but
"There is all signs of an agenda against Tyrone..."
The bigger story is what RTE were providing for Dublin.
RTE are a joke organisation. Ryle bloody Nugent is head of sport for heavens sake. Don't waste your comments on them.
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Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
It's all part of being part of the team, supporting each other, togetherness etc. Fairly common in team sports. Tyrone lads still don't have beards you know. Once they made the commitment to beards they weren't committed for the rest of their lives. Once they left the team they were free to shave. Though Ricey does seem to want to keep his.
There's a difference between a player giving a bland comment after a game on behalf of the team and a player being a paid analyst on the Sunday Game and not part of the team anymore.
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Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
It's all part of being part of the team, supporting each other, togetherness etc. Fairly common in team sports. Tyrone lads still don't have beards you know. Once they made the commitment to beards they weren't committed for the rest of their lives. Once they left the team they were free to shave. Though Ricey does seem to want to keep his.
There's a difference between a player giving a bland comment after a game on behalf of the team and a player being a paid analyst on the Sunday Game and not part of the team anymore.
Cavanagh within 24 hours on RTE some team bond that ::) Harte was furious. In 2008 most of them didn't grow beards as it was not compulsory
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Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
It's all part of being part of the team, supporting each other, togetherness etc. Fairly common in team sports. Tyrone lads still don't have beards you know. Once they made the commitment to beards they weren't committed for the rest of their lives. Once they left the team they were free to shave. Though Ricey does seem to want to keep his.
There's a difference between a player giving a bland comment after a game on behalf of the team and a player being a paid analyst on the Sunday Game and not part of the team anymore.
Cavanagh within 24 hours on RTE some team bond that ::) Harte was furious. In 2008 most of them didn't grow beards as it was not compulsory
Christ. You just don't want to accept why they are doing it. How long do u think cavanagh should have kept up his ban, bare in mind he had a media career ahead of him
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Quote from: southtyronegael on February 14, 2018, 08:34:46 PM
It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
It's all part of being part of the team, supporting each other, togetherness etc. Fairly common in team sports. Tyrone lads still don't have beards you know. Once they made the commitment to beards they weren't committed for the rest of their lives. Once they left the team they were free to shave. Though Ricey does seem to want to keep his.
There's a difference between a player giving a bland comment after a game on behalf of the team and a player being a paid analyst on the Sunday Game and not part of the team anymore.
Cavanagh within 24 hours on RTE some team bond that ::) Harte was furious. In 2008 most of them didn't grow beards as it was not compulsory
Christ. You just don't want to accept why they are doing it. How long do u think cavanagh should have kept up his ban, bare in mind he had a media career ahead of him
there you go: principled stand v £s
very curious story - the Dublin v Tyrone game is broadcast live on Eir, so if they wanted a DVD of the high behind camera it would be Eir they would be asking (and it is a very standard request - most IC teams look for it when they are playing a live TV fixture).
I'd say this is garbled up a bit - maybe it relates to DVD provision during last year's championship, because it makes no sense as Eir and TG4 are the rights holders.
Is this just not a symptom of a wider issue, Martin O'Neill, Jim Gavin, Mickey Harte, Joe Schmidt are all intelligent articulate men yet of all have taking umbrage with the Irish media at certain stages.
RTE's coverage is always negative, ffs they tweeted a 2/3 minute analysis from Tomas O'Se on the Tyrone/Kildare game calling Tyrone too defensive and negative and Kildare clueless, poor click bait shit.
And Newspapers are a dying media and are trying to be more and more sensationalist and see sport as an opportunity to drive that sensationalism. You have the Examiners Brendan O'Brien whinging about the IRFU and censorship on Off The Ball, yet Newstalk ban Irish Times journalists, the hypocrisy of these guys is unbelievable.
This is sport after all, not politics. Sport is the bridge between reality and dreams and a lot of the Irish media need to remember that for vast majority of the population sport is escapism, yes highlight issues but stopping doing it in such a way as if it is the most important thing in the world, it's not....
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very curious story - the Dublin v Tyrone game is broadcast live on Eir, so if they wanted a DVD of the high behind camera it would be Eir they would be asking (and it is a very standard request - most IC teams look for it when they are playing a live TV fixture).
I'd say this is garbled up a bit - maybe it relates to DVD provision during last year's championship, because it makes no sense as Eir and TG4 are the rights holders.
What I have heard its not matches involving Dublin that are being requested, EIR don't have camera's at every Div 1 and 2 match like RTE have and I also believe its the high up behind the goal angle camera that EIR don't use.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 16, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
Is this just not a symptom of a wider issue, Martin O'Neill, Jim Gavin, Mickey Harte, Joe Schmidt are all intelligent articulate men yet of all have taking umbrage with the Irish media at certain stages.
RTE's coverage is always negative, ffs they tweeted a 2/3 minute analysis from Tomas O'Se on the Tyrone/Kildare game calling Tyrone too defensive and negative and Kildare clueless, poor click bait shit.
And Newspapers are a dying media and are trying to be more and more sensationalist and see sport as an opportunity to drive that sensationalism. You have the Examiners Brendan O'Brien whinging about the IRFU and censorship on Off The Ball, yet Newstalk ban Irish Times journalists, the hypocrisy of these guys is unbelievable.
This is sport after all, not politics. Sport is the bridge between reality and dreams and a lot of the Irish media need to remember that for vast majority of the population sport is escapism, yes highlight issues but stopping doing it in such a way as if it is the most important thing in the world, it's not....
That stopped following Bertie's intervention. Didn't he allocate special funding to Dublin GAA while Taoiseach.
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Quote from: easytiger95 on February 16, 2018, 10:38:16 AM
very curious story - the Dublin v Tyrone game is broadcast live on Eir, so if they wanted a DVD of the high behind camera it would be Eir they would be asking (and it is a very standard request - most IC teams look for it when they are playing a live TV fixture).
I'd say this is garbled up a bit - maybe it relates to DVD provision during last year's championship, because it makes no sense as Eir and TG4 are the rights holders.
What I have heard its not matches involving Dublin that are being requested, EIR don't have camera's at every Div 1 and 2 match like RTE have and I also believe its the high up behind the goal angle camera that EIR don't use.
Greatest, RTE do not have cameras at every Div 1 and Div 2 game - see the Sunday Game thread to see that explained exhaustively.
I could see Eir not using the high behind position if they wanted to save money on cameras - they are not obligated to use it - but then Gavin's beef should be with them, not RTE?
I think this is either a story getting confused or blown up beyond proportion.
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Quote from: easytiger95 on February 16, 2018, 10:38:16 AM
very curious story - the Dublin v Tyrone game is broadcast live on Eir, so if they wanted a DVD of the high behind camera it would be Eir they would be asking (and it is a very standard request - most IC teams look for it when they are playing a live TV fixture).
I'd say this is garbled up a bit - maybe it relates to DVD provision during last year's championship, because it makes no sense as Eir and TG4 are the rights holders.
What I have heard its not matches involving Dublin that are being requested, EIR don't have camera's at every Div 1 and 2 match like RTE have and I also believe its the high up behind the goal angle camera that EIR don't use.
Greatest, RTE do not have cameras at every Div 1 and Div 2 game - see the Sunday Game thread to see that explained exhaustively.
I could see Eir not using the high behind position if they wanted to save money on cameras - they are not obligated to use it - but then Gavin's beef should be with them, not RTE?
I think this is either a story getting confused or blown up beyond proportion.
Possibly. Maybe there's more to it than just DVDs, but I do not its in particular to games not involving Dublin.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on February 16, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
Is this just not a symptom of a wider issue, Martin O'Neill, Jim Gavin, Mickey Harte, Joe Schmidt are all intelligent articulate men yet of all have taking umbrage with the Irish media at certain stages.
RTE's coverage is always negative, ffs they tweeted a 2/3 minute analysis from Tomas O'Se on the Tyrone/Kildare game calling Tyrone too defensive and negative and Kildare clueless, poor click bait shit.
And Newspapers are a dying media and are trying to be more and more sensationalist and see sport as an opportunity to drive that sensationalism. You have the Examiners Brendan O'Brien whinging about the IRFU and censorship on Off The Ball, yet Newstalk ban Irish Times journalists, the hypocrisy of these guys is unbelievable.
This is sport after all, not politics. Sport is the bridge between reality and dreams and a lot of the Irish media need to remember that for vast majority of the population sport is escapism, yes highlight issues but stopping doing it in such a way as if it is the most important thing in the world, it's not....
Tomas said about Kildare "They seem to play cluelessly at times".
And that was a mild comment considering just how clueless and naive Kildare were in the last 15 minutes, compared to Tyrone.
Managers are control freaks. That's why this is happening, and why players are told to say nothing in interviews. The game is suffering too because of it. Fans hear feck all. Kids need these fellas to look up to. They need to be in the spotlight. County football has become so mindnumbingly bland and serious it's turning people off.
Why doesn't each county have a spin doctor/media entertainer/bullshitter, saying stuff in pre-match interviews like... We have one injury, I'm not saying who, but he has an A in his name. We called off the S&C training Wednesday night and helped Farmer Brown unload his trailer of square bales instead. Sure it's just as good. The squad gatecrashed a stag do Last night and most of them are still poleaxed so I wouldn't expect a big performance today.
There may be a grain of truth in the odd statement but it wouldn't be any more bluffing than what goes on already from managers re: injuries, loss of form, players dropped etc.
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It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
It's all part of being part of the team, supporting each other, togetherness etc. Fairly common in team sports. Tyrone lads still don't have beards you know. Once they made the commitment to beards they weren't committed for the rest of their lives. Once they left the team they were free to shave. Though Ricey does seem to want to keep his.
There's a difference between a player giving a bland comment after a game on behalf of the team and a player being a paid analyst on the Sunday Game and not part of the team anymore.
Cavanagh within 24 hours on RTE some team bond that ::) Harte was furious. In 2008 most of them didn't grow beards as it was not compulsory
Christ. You just don't want to accept why they are doing it. How long do u think cavanagh should have kept up his ban, bare in mind he had a media career ahead of him
there you go: principled stand v £s
It's not necessarily about a principled stand. It's about being part of a team, who stick together etc etc. Hard to fathom from the outside but a vital part of what happens within the team circle. RTÉ's analysts subsequent behaviour and comments about Tyrone made it a fairly easy common enemy.
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It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
It's all part of being part of the team, supporting each other, togetherness etc. Fairly common in team sports. Tyrone lads still don't have beards you know. Once they made the commitment to beards they weren't committed for the rest of their lives. Once they left the team they were free to shave. Though Ricey does seem to want to keep his.
There's a difference between a player giving a bland comment after a game on behalf of the team and a player being a paid analyst on the Sunday Game and not part of the team anymore.
Cavanagh within 24 hours on RTE some team bond that ::) Harte was furious. In 2008 most of them didn't grow beards as it was not compulsory
Christ. You just don't want to accept why they are doing it. How long do u think cavanagh should have kept up his ban, bare in mind he had a media career ahead of him
there you go: principled stand v £s
It's not necessarily about a principled stand. It's about being part of a team, who stick together etc etc. Hard to fathom from the outside but a vital part of what happens within the team circle. RTÉ's analysts subsequent behaviour and comments about Tyrone made it a fairly easy common enemy.
Sean was very forgiving and he got worst abuse off RTE panelist :)
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It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
It's all part of being part of the team, supporting each other, togetherness etc. Fairly common in team sports. Tyrone lads still don't have beards you know. Once they made the commitment to beards they weren't committed for the rest of their lives. Once they left the team they were free to shave. Though Ricey does seem to want to keep his.
There's a difference between a player giving a bland comment after a game on behalf of the team and a player being a paid analyst on the Sunday Game and not part of the team anymore.
Cavanagh within 24 hours on RTE some team bond that ::) Harte was furious. In 2008 most of them didn't grow beards as it was not compulsory
Christ. You just don't want to accept why they are doing it. How long do u think cavanagh should have kept up his ban, bare in mind he had a media career ahead of him
there you go: principled stand v £s
It's not necessarily about a principled stand. It's about being part of a team, who stick together etc etc. Hard to fathom from the outside but a vital part of what happens within the team circle. RTÉ's analysts subsequent behaviour and comments about Tyrone made it a fairly easy common enemy.
Sean was very forgiving and he got worst abuse off RTE panelist :)
Can't believe you would actually compare the two.
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It was really just rte saying f**k off Harte and keep your nose out of our business. Couldn't blame them for it although they could have done it with a bit more tact.
Their response taking the piss out of him trying to influence Carty's position was right.
Playing the song and the reference/connection to Michaela was beyond awful and if they were truly sorry, the RTE Director General and Head of Sport would've been on Harte's doorstep the next day.
I really dont believe it was a reference to Michaela... Jesus! no way.
It may not have been deliberate but still doesn't excuse the fact it was in very poor taste. Look at Barry Mc elduff and kingsmilgate, it may not have been deliberate but all the same a simple apology couldn't take it back. Same in this case of hartes and RTÉ.
Yeah I think McElduff should not have been cast into the wilderness. I dont see why players are also made to not speak to RTE if Mickey doesnt want to fair enough. If was so deeply held conviction by players they would still hold the line after their Tyrone careers were over. Harte was furious with Cavanagh and others for going on RTE after and I know thats true from one of them.
It's all part of being part of the team, supporting each other, togetherness etc. Fairly common in team sports. Tyrone lads still don't have beards you know. Once they made the commitment to beards they weren't committed for the rest of their lives. Once they left the team they were free to shave. Though Ricey does seem to want to keep his.
There's a difference between a player giving a bland comment after a game on behalf of the team and a player being a paid analyst on the Sunday Game and not part of the team anymore.
Cavanagh within 24 hours on RTE some team bond that ::) Harte was furious. In 2008 most of them didn't grow beards as it was not compulsory
Christ. You just don't want to accept why they are doing it. How long do u think cavanagh should have kept up his ban, bare in mind he had a media career ahead of him
there you go: principled stand v £s
It's not necessarily about a principled stand. It's about being part of a team, who stick together etc etc. Hard to fathom from the outside but a vital part of what happens within the team circle. RTÉ's analysts subsequent behaviour and comments about Tyrone made it a fairly easy common enemy.
Sean was very forgiving and he got worst abuse off RTE panelist :)
Can't believe you would actually compare the two.
I didnt compare the two. Am pointing out that the idea of RTE being big enemy of the players obviosly not how Sean felt... or other players who also went on RTE after they left Tyrone panel.
Sean doesn't have to like them to take their money. A career in TV media is attractive to players and there's very few opportunities and a limited window for retired players while they are still high profile. So Sean is right to strike while the iron is hot. Pursuing a career in the media for yourself is a different thing than giving a 10 second interview on behalf of your team after a game. Sean is taking the opportunity afforded to him and fair play to him. But he is not speaking on behalf of the current Tyrone team who have chosen as a group not to co-operate with RTÉ. I really don't think it's that hard to make the distinction. Personally I'm glad Sean is doing the work for RTE, he is an articulate guy and maybe can offer a more balanced approach to how Tyrone are portrayed. Will be interesting to see if he gets a live Tyrone game with Mr Brolly.
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Sean doesn't have to like them to take their money. A career in TV media is attractive to players and there's very few opportunities and a limited window for retired players while they are still high profile. So Sean is right to strike while the iron is hot. Pursuing a career in the media for yourself is a different thing than giving a 10 second interview on behalf of your team after a game. Sean is taking the opportunity afforded to him and fair play to him. But he is not speaking on behalf of the current Tyrone team who have chosen as a group not to co-operate with RTÉ. I really don't think it's that hard to make the distinction. Personally I'm glad Sean is doing the work for RTE, he is an articulate guy and maybe can offer a more balanced approach to how Tyrone are portrayed. Will be interesting to see if he gets a live Tyrone game with Mr Brolly.
Mickey was furious Sean went on RTE hours after Dublin defeat... he'd lost control of him. Anyway outside of Tyrone I
dont think anyone cares now and hope of snubbing the All Ireland banquet now forlorn. Damp squib protest as this stage.
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Sean doesn't have to like them to take their money. A career in TV media is attractive to players and there's very few opportunities and a limited window for retired players while they are still high profile. So Sean is right to strike while the iron is hot. Pursuing a career in the media for yourself is a different thing than giving a 10 second interview on behalf of your team after a game. Sean is taking the opportunity afforded to him and fair play to him. But he is not speaking on behalf of the current Tyrone team who have chosen as a group not to co-operate with RTÉ. I really don't think it's that hard to make the distinction. Personally I'm glad Sean is doing the work for RTE, he is an articulate guy and maybe can offer a more balanced approach to how Tyrone are portrayed. Will be interesting to see if he gets a live Tyrone game with Mr Brolly.
Mickey was furious Sean went on RTE hours after Dublin defeat... he'd lost control of him. Anyway outside of Tyrone I
dont think anyone cares now and hope of snubbing the All Ireland banquet now forlorn. Damp squib protest as this stage.
It's f**king bizzare how much you care about Tyrone not talking to RTE.
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Sean doesn't have to like them to take their money. A career in TV media is attractive to players and there's very few opportunities and a limited window for retired players while they are still high profile. So Sean is right to strike while the iron is hot. Pursuing a career in the media for yourself is a different thing than giving a 10 second interview on behalf of your team after a game. Sean is taking the opportunity afforded to him and fair play to him. But he is not speaking on behalf of the current Tyrone team who have chosen as a group not to co-operate with RTÉ. I really don't think it's that hard to make the distinction. Personally I'm glad Sean is doing the work for RTE, he is an articulate guy and maybe can offer a more balanced approach to how Tyrone are portrayed. Will be interesting to see if he gets a live Tyrone game with Mr Brolly.
Mickey was furious Sean went on RTE hours after Dublin defeat... he'd lost control of him. Anyway outside of Tyrone I
dont think anyone cares now and hope of snubbing the All Ireland banquet now forlorn. Damp squib protest as this stage.
It's f**king bizzare how much you care about Tyrone not talking to RTE.
You're the one who is swearing. I dont lose sleep over it or go crazy with anger when RTE is mentioned 8)
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Sean doesn't have to like them to take their money. A career in TV media is attractive to players and there's very few opportunities and a limited window for retired players while they are still high profile. So Sean is right to strike while the iron is hot. Pursuing a career in the media for yourself is a different thing than giving a 10 second interview on behalf of your team after a game. Sean is taking the opportunity afforded to him and fair play to him. But he is not speaking on behalf of the current Tyrone team who have chosen as a group not to co-operate with RTÉ. I really don't think it's that hard to make the distinction. Personally I'm glad Sean is doing the work for RTE, he is an articulate guy and maybe can offer a more balanced approach to how Tyrone are portrayed. Will be interesting to see if he gets a live Tyrone game with Mr Brolly.
Mickey was furious Sean went on RTE hours after Dublin defeat... he'd lost control of him. Anyway outside of Tyrone I
dont think anyone cares now and hope of snubbing the All Ireland banquet now forlorn. Damp squib protest as this stage.
It's f**king bizzare how much you care about Tyrone not talking to RTE.
You're the one who is swearing. I dont lose sleep over it or go crazy with anger when RTE is mentioned 8)
He says at half past midnight!
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Sean doesn't have to like them to take their money. A career in TV media is attractive to players and there's very few opportunities and a limited window for retired players while they are still high profile. So Sean is right to strike while the iron is hot. Pursuing a career in the media for yourself is a different thing than giving a 10 second interview on behalf of your team after a game. Sean is taking the opportunity afforded to him and fair play to him. But he is not speaking on behalf of the current Tyrone team who have chosen as a group not to co-operate with RTÉ. I really don't think it's that hard to make the distinction. Personally I'm glad Sean is doing the work for RTE, he is an articulate guy and maybe can offer a more balanced approach to how Tyrone are portrayed. Will be interesting to see if he gets a live Tyrone game with Mr Brolly.
Mickey was furious Sean went on RTE hours after Dublin defeat... he'd lost control of him. Anyway outside of Tyrone I
dont think anyone cares now and hope of snubbing the All Ireland banquet now forlorn. Damp squib protest as this stage.
It's f**king bizzare how much you care about Tyrone not talking to RTE.
You're the one who is swearing. I dont lose sleep over it or go crazy with anger when RTE is mentioned 8)
He says at half past midnight!
Are you not allowed to stay up late on a Saturday night?
anyone see mickey hartes interview on bbc last night after mc kenna cup final? looks like a bbc boycott could be on the way too..
Mark Sidebottom s... the togs when MH tore into him great viewing
at least sidebottom had the balls in his togs to ask the questions that needed to be asked. fair play to him. pity a few tyrone journalists couldnt do the same.
heres link to the bbc interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxPa8tbHkVE
Embarrassing stuff from Harte. He should send forward Horse or O Neill to speak if he can't handle being questioned.
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Embarrassing stuff from Harte. He should send forward Horse or O Neill to speak if he can't handle being questioned.
I don't think it was and I wouldn't be a defender of his. I think he was spot on with his replies
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Embarrassing stuff from Harte. He should send forward Horse or O Neill to speak if he can't handle being questioned.
I don't think it was and I wouldn't be a defender of his. I think he was spot on with his replies
I have to agree with you on this one. I think Sidebottom asked a question that needed to be asked - one win from three in the league and a McKenna Cup final defeat also (I am aware that they won 4 games to get there) - the press are within their rights to ask if a change in system will be needed to win more games. Likewise Harte answered the questions well enough, he was a bit p*ssed off but nothing too bad.
What exactly did Harte say that was embarrassing?
At least it wasnt the cliche BS other managers come out with
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very curious story - the Dublin v Tyrone game is broadcast live on Eir, so if they wanted a DVD of the high behind camera it would be Eir they would be asking (and it is a very standard request - most IC teams look for it when they are playing a live TV fixture).
I'd say this is garbled up a bit - maybe it relates to DVD provision during last year's championship, because it makes no sense as Eir and TG4 are the rights holders.
would eir not have charged them
The hypocrisy from some posters from Tyrone is disgusting. Criticising Harte for not sending anyone to defend Tyrone on RTE, allowing braodcasters to say what they want without anyone from Tyrone to defend their honour. Then he sticks up for Tyrone, saying that he see's many other teams play in a very similar to Tyrone but are never question to the extent Tyrone are quizzed. So as a result he gets bad manners from the same in house Tyrone critics. make sense of that ffs
Tyrone might be good enough to win ulster again but they won't win the AI unless they tweak their system. That's what Sidey was inferring.
If Tyrone are whooped by Dublin again in this years semi playing the exact same system, is Sidey going to get his head ripped off by Harte for asking the same question in 2019?
A bit of sense being talked by Darren Hughes in the Irish News....
MONAGHAN midfielder Darren Hughes believes the criticism aimed at Tyrone has been unfair, insisting the Red Hands shouldn't be judged solely on "one bad day at the office".
Mickey Harte's men found themselves in the firing line after last summer's harrowing All-Ireland semi-final defeat to Dublin, and the Tyrone boss recently hit out at those who claim they play an overly defensive brand of football.
The Red Hands travel to Castleblayney on Saturday to take on Monaghan in a dress rehearsal ahead of their May 20 Ulster Championship showdown.
And Farney powerhouse Hughes admits he has been surprised at the level of criticism aimed at the reigning provincial kingpins in the aftermath of that Dublin defeat
"Tyrone are getting a lot of flak but in the Ulster Championship last year, there wasn't a team that laid a glove on them," said the Scotstown man.
"If you counted up their average winning margins up until they got to the semi-final against Dublin, Tyrone weren't doing too much wrong.
"They won the Ulster Championship at a canter and it was probably to their detriment going to play Dublin in the semi-final because they hadn't been tested. After 15 minutes they didn't know where to go, but the criticism has been harsh on them.
"I've seen us getting criticised before when we've been winning Ulster Championships... you do what you have to do to win. When Tyrone were shooting out the lights last summer, nobody could touch them. I don't know what more you can expect.
"Tyrone had one bad day at the office – anybody can get caught cold. Sure Dublin had us beat after 20 minutes too. It was the same thing. They get the run on you and that's just it.
"You're trying to devise different systems and changes to come up against them but they just keep coming at you. That's why they're the benchmark for us all.
"Everybody's on about the top three or four; it doesn't really matter unless you're in the top one."
Monaghan made it two wins in-a-row with a morale-boosting victory over Kerry in Inniskeen on Sunday, holding off a late fightback to build upon their previous success in Kildare.
Hughes forced two turnovers in quick succession early on as the Farneymen swarmed the Kingdom's short kick-outs, and a flying start saw four points up inside five minutes.
"We didn't specifically target them [Kerry's kick-outs]. We wanted to eliminate, as best as possible, the short kick-out option and force them long.
"The fact you can't kick it inside the 20 metre line now, we actually got one of them, so you try and get a bit of heat on. It's not always possible but it takes a very precise kick to get it to a corner back now.
"We said before that we wanted a good start but we finished up with 1-13, so we got nearly a quarter of our points in the first five minutes.
"But here, with Kerry travelling you wanted to take any advantage of any possible lapse in concentration. That start gave us a bit of a cushion to work off for the rest of the game."
Another two points this weekend would almost certainly secure their Division One status, while simultaneously heaping pressure on their Ulster rivals.
Although Hughes is quick to dismiss any motion of psychological edges being lost or gained ahead of that Ulster Championship date.
"Not really – it'll be forgot about on Sunday probably," sad Hughes, whose brother Kieran could come back into the fold against the Red Hands.
"It's only a League game at the end of the day. It's a long time until summer, a lot of work to do, a lot of men to come in, a lot of games to play."
He has a fair point. We were the most successful team in Ulster last year and run up scores against any of the challengers. Now I'm not expecting plaudits but if the suggestion is that we played badly and below ourselves last year then Down, Armagh, Donegal and Derry must have been absolutely f**king tragic. Hartes getting a lot of flak for being tactically naive and behind the times but if you believe that then how far back are mcgeeney, Gallagher, o rourke and burns if they can't get within touching distance of them??
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What exactly did Harte say that was embarrassing?
At least it wasnt the cliche BS other managers come out with
It's not so much what he said as the fact he was so rattled. He has been composure personified for years but suddenly he is getting easily rattled over innocent enough questioning.
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He has a fair point. We were the most successful team in Ulster last year and run up scores against any of the challengers. Now I'm not expecting plaudits but if the suggestion is that we played badly and below ourselves last year then Down, Armagh, Donegal and Derry must have been absolutely f**king tragic. Hartes getting a lot of flak for being tactically naive and behind the times but if you believe that then how far back are mcgeeney, Gallagher, o rourke and burns if they can't get within touching distance of them??
Bar Donegal, everyone expected Tyrone to beat Derry Down and Armagh fairly handy (5-10 points). But not Dublin. It's naive of Harte to think he can beat them playing the same system (ie. with 1 forward). Sidey was merely asking what the rest of us are thinking.
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What exactly did Harte say that was embarrassing?
At least it wasnt the cliche BS other managers come out with
It's not so much what he said as the fact he was so rattled. He has been composure personified for years but suddenly he is getting easily rattled over innocent enough questioning.
Easily rattled or just pissed off at interviewers who keep continuously suggesting Tyrone played ultra defensive every game last year when in fact they pretty much hammered the shite out of each team they met in the championship before the Dublin game? When you give your time for an interview you expect the fuckwit hosting it to have done a little more than just re-hash the garbage from the Sunday Independent.
All right for you to say.. try sitting in Croke Park watching thon after spending a small fortune on ticets for the Mrs and wee'uns and Tyrone continuing to be totally defensive when they were way behind with smallest man on his own up front. Ulster football has fallen back a lot.
Just because you're hammering the sh1te out of teams doesn't mean you're not playing ultra defensive football. Tyrone hockeyed Armagh but played the majority of the game with 14 men behind the ball. As others have said it may be good enough to beat teams in a poor enough Ulster championship but it won't beat Dublin and it's unlikely to beat Mayo or Kerry.
you can mix it a bit... Tyrone let supporters down very badly against the Dubs. At least push up a bit as Mayo did
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Just because you're hammering the sh1te out of teams doesn't mean you're not playing ultra defensive football. Tyrone hockeyed Armagh but played the majority of the game with 14 men behind the ball. As others have said it may be good enough to beat teams in a poor enough Ulster championship but it won't beat Dublin and it's unlikely to beat Mayo or Kerry.
But then how completely and utterly inept are Derry, Donegal, Down and Armagh if an ultra defensive team can rattle up big scores against them? I fear for Geezer, Gallagher, Burns et al when Mark "Paxman" Sidebottom gets a rattle at them.
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Quote from: mackers on February 21, 2018, 11:34:56 AM
Just because you're hammering the sh1te out of teams doesn't mean you're not playing ultra defensive football. Tyrone hockeyed Armagh but played the majority of the game with 14 men behind the ball. As others have said it may be good enough to beat teams in a poor enough Ulster championship but it won't beat Dublin and it's unlikely to beat Mayo or Kerry.
But then how completely and utterly inept are Derry, Donegal, Down and Armagh if an ultra defensive team can rattle up big scores against them? I fear for Geezer, Gallagher, Burns et al when Mark "Paxman" Sidebottom gets a rattle at them.
Sure they would have beat them with a more attacking game plan. Tyrone have superior players to Derry, Down and Armagh and would have beat them with more progressive tactics. It'll be interesting to see how far Donegal can go with their more expansive game plan this year. I hope Bonner (although I don't particularly like the man) gets rewarded for this change of tack.
Quote from: BennyHarp on February 21, 2018, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: mackers on February 21, 2018, 11:34:56 AM
Just because you're hammering the sh1te out of teams doesn't mean you're not playing ultra defensive football. Tyrone hockeyed Armagh but played the majority of the game with 14 men behind the ball. As others have said it may be good enough to beat teams in a poor enough Ulster championship but it won't beat Dublin and it's unlikely to beat Mayo or Kerry.
But then how completely and utterly inept are Derry, Donegal, Down and Armagh if an ultra defensive team can rattle up big scores against them? I fear for Geezer, Gallagher, Burns et al when Mark "Paxman" Sidebottom gets a rattle at them.
The managers of those 3 teams get a right enough rattle. . . Tyrone are looking to win an All Ireland. Yes they can beat a lot of teams in Ireland but when it comes to the crunch their tactics aren't good enough.
It's clear for all to see they need a plan B if they want to go the extra step. If Mickey is happy enough with winning Ulster's handily why not say that?