Premier League 20/21

[Armamike]

The sound of the clash was bad, and that was with the crowd noise on! 

[laoislad]

So what length of a ban do we expect Cavani to get?

[nrico2006]

Is the whole thing nowadays that you are meant to respect peoples cultures, religions etc.  Therefore, Cavani should be getting no ban.

[Armamike]

Man U using the same argument to defend Cavani as Liverpool did with Suarez. Suarez got 8 matches.

[OgraAnDun]

Bit of a difference between calling a black french man "negro" in an argument in a heated derby encounter compared to saying "thanks negrito" to a fellow countryman when he congratulates you on Instagram. Context is everything.

[laoislad]

Bernardo Silva received a one game ban and a fine for his tweet, so if they are to be consistent on these matters then Cavani should be getting the same.

[J70]

Bit of a difference between calling a black french man "negro" in an argument in a heated derby encounter compared to saying "thanks negrito" to a fellow countryman when he congratulates you on Instagram. Context is everything.

Suarez used the term "negrito".

Not saying Cavani did anything wrong.

[BennyCake]

Get Fergal Logan on the case.

[OgraAnDun]

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/01/fa-report-luis-suarez-patrice-evra


Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question "Why did you kick me?", Mr Suárez replied "Porque tu eres negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suárez made that comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you are a nigger". He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suárez mean "Because you are black". We shall consider further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word "negro".

"Why did you kick me?"
'Because you're Black' (porque eres negro)

Not "sorry, negrito, I didn't mean to"

Again, context is everything.

Bit of a difference between calling a black french man "negro" in an argument in a heated derby encounter compared to saying "thanks negrito" to a fellow countryman when he congratulates you on Instagram. Context is everything.

Suarez used the term "negrito".

Not saying Cavani did anything wrong.

[J70]

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/01/fa-report-luis-suarez-patrice-evra


Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question "Why did you kick me?", Mr Suárez replied "Porque tu eres negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suárez made that comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you are a nigger". He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suárez mean "Because you are black". We shall consider further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word "negro".

"Why did you kick me?"
'Because you're Black' (porque eres negro)

Not "sorry, negrito, I didn't mean to"

Again, context is everything.

Bit of a difference between calling a black french man "negro" in an argument in a heated derby encounter compared to saying "thanks negrito" to a fellow countryman when he congratulates you on Instagram. Context is everything.

Suarez used the term "negrito".

Not saying Cavani did anything wrong.

Yes, you appear to be right on the "negro", not "negrito" thing, although they seem to be pretty much the same thing in their dialect.

I didn't argue the context. Clearly they're different.

Its just the cultural/language issue was dismissed as irrelevant or even bullshit by a lot of people back then.

[Jeepers Creepers]

The FA's case, in short, was as follows. In the goalmouth, Mr Evra and Mr Suarez spoke to
each other in Spanish. Mr Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him, referring to the
foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres negro", meaning "Because
you are black". Mr Evra then said to Mr Suarez "say it to me again, I'm going to punch
you". Mr Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks". Mr
Evra continued by saying that he now thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr
Suarez replied "Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie, blackie, blackie".
As Mr Suarez said this, he reached out to touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr
Kuyt then intervened. When the referee blew his whistle and called the players over to
him shortly after the exchanges in the goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee "ref, ref, he
just called me a f**king black".

[OgraAnDun]

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/01/fa-report-luis-suarez-patrice-evra


Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question "Why did you kick me?", Mr Suárez replied "Porque tu eres negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suárez made that comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you are a nigger". He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suárez mean "Because you are black". We shall consider further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word "negro".

"Why did you kick me?"
'Because you're Black' (porque eres negro)

Not "sorry, negrito, I didn't mean to"

Again, context is everything.

Bit of a difference between calling a black french man "negro" in an argument in a heated derby encounter compared to saying "thanks negrito" to a fellow countryman when he congratulates you on Instagram. Context is everything.

Suarez used the term "negrito".

Not saying Cavani did anything wrong.

Yes, you appear to be right on the "negro", not "negrito" thing, although they seem to be pretty much the same thing in their dialect.

I didn't argue the context. Clearly they're different.

Its just the cultural/language issue was dismissed as irrelevant or even bullshit by a lot of people back then.

I get what you're saying but I don't think the cultural issue can be used for Suarez - he was speaking to a French rival in a heated situation... If they'd been having a friendly chat after the game then that could be a reasonable excuse for Suarez but not shouting "go for it/ok black boy".

[BennyCake]

I wonder how the t-shirts will look.

[J70]

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/01/fa-report-luis-suarez-patrice-evra


Mr Evra's evidence was that, in response to his question "Why did you kick me?", Mr Suárez replied "Porque tu eres negro". Mr Evra said that at the time Mr Suárez made that comment, he (Mr Evra) understood it to mean "Because you are a nigger". He now says that he believes the words used by Mr Suárez mean "Because you are black". We shall consider further below Mr Evra's understanding of the Spanish word "negro".

"Why did you kick me?"
'Because you're Black' (porque eres negro)

Not "sorry, negrito, I didn't mean to"

Again, context is everything.

Bit of a difference between calling a black french man "negro" in an argument in a heated derby encounter compared to saying "thanks negrito" to a fellow countryman when he congratulates you on Instagram. Context is everything.

Suarez used the term "negrito".

Not saying Cavani did anything wrong.

Yes, you appear to be right on the "negro", not "negrito" thing, although they seem to be pretty much the same thing in their dialect.

I didn't argue the context. Clearly they're different.

Its just the cultural/language issue was dismissed as irrelevant or even bullshit by a lot of people back then.

I get what you're saying but I don't think the cultural issue can be used for Suarez - he was speaking to a French rival in a heated situation... If they'd been having a friendly chat after the game then that could be a reasonable excuse for Suarez but not shouting "go for it/ok black boy".

Yes, fair enough.

[Captain Obvious]

Big result for Scott Parkers Fulham tonight.

FA Cup 3rd round draw.

1 Huddersfield Town v Plymouth Argyle
2 Southampton v Shrewsbury Town
3 Chorley v Derby County
4 Marine v Tottenham Hotspur
5 Wolverhampton Wanderers v Crystal Palace
6 Stockport County v West Ham United
7 Oldham Athletic v AFC Bournemouth
8 Manchester United v Watford
9 Stevenage v Swansea City
10 Everton v Rotherham United
11 Nottingham Forest v Cardiff City
12 Arsenal v Newcastle United
13 Barnsley v Tranmere Rovers
14 Bristol Rovers v Sheffield United
15 Canvey Island or Boreham Wood v Millwall
16 Blackburn Rovers v Doncaster Rovers
17 Stoke City v Leicester City
18 Wycombe Wanderers v Preston North End
19 Crawley Town v Leeds United
20 Burnley v Milton Keynes Dons
21 Bristol City v Portsmouth
22 Queens Park Rangers v Fulham
23 Aston Villa v Liverpool
24 Brentford v Middlesbrough
25 Manchester City v Birmingham City
26 Luton Town v Reading
27 Chelsea v Morecambe
28 Exeter City v Sheffield Wednesday
29 Norwich City v Coventry City
30 Blackpool v West Bromwich Albion
31 Newport County v Brighton & Hove Albion
32 Cheltenham Town v Mansfield Town