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« Reply #22260 on: September 23, 2021, 05:51:39 PM »
At all stages of this pandemic, the US right-wing political and media bullshit machine has engaged in magical thinking.

And as their bullshit has continually collapsed around them, they have retreated ever further into an alternate reality universe in which they try to convince themselves that what they are saying is not absolute bollocks.

It is absolute bollocks.

But it is also yet more mass conditioning for the coming assault of full fascism in the US, which requires the creation of an alternate reality which is believed by massive swathes of the population.

This is basic history and anybody who ignores it is complicit.

Any thoughts on the teachers Unions taking legal action because they don’t want to get vaccinated?

They’re certainly no Republicans and are andangerjng the most vulnerable in society who can’t get vaccinated


Your selective outrage is hilarious

In NYC, more than 85% of school staff are vaccinated and the rest will now follow after the city workers unions just lost in court.

How many workers does it take to object before unions have to make this kind of challenge on behalf of their members?

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« Reply #22261 on: September 23, 2021, 05:59:39 PM »
Yes j70 I believe mandates are wrong.

Just the covid mandates, or all vaccine mandates?
covid

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« Reply #22262 on: September 23, 2021, 06:02:03 PM »
At all stages of this pandemic, the US right-wing political and media bullshit machine has engaged in magical thinking.

And as their bullshit has continually collapsed around them, they have retreated ever further into an alternate reality universe in which they try to convince themselves that what they are saying is not absolute bollocks.

It is absolute bollocks.

But it is also yet more mass conditioning for the coming assault of full fascism in the US, which requires the creation of an alternate reality which is believed by massive swathes of the population.

This is basic history and anybody who ignores it is complicit.

Any thoughts on the teachers Unions taking legal action because they don’t want to get vaccinated?

They’re certainly no Republicans and are andangerjng the most vulnerable in society who can’t get vaccinated


Your selective outrage is hilarious

In NYC, more than 85% of school staff are vaccinated and the rest will now follow after the city workers unions just lost in court.

How many workers does it take to object before unions have to make this kind of challenge on behalf of their members?

That’s great

Chicago is 73% which is scandalous

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« Reply #22263 on: September 23, 2021, 06:16:26 PM »
Yes j70 I believe mandates are wrong.

Just the covid mandates, or all vaccine mandates?
covid

Why just covid?

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« Reply #22264 on: September 23, 2021, 06:27:01 PM »
Yes j70 I believe mandates are wrong.

Just the covid mandates, or all vaccine mandates?
covid
in your current job did you have to disclose your vaccination status before now ?

Why just covid?

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« Reply #22265 on: September 23, 2021, 07:07:21 PM »
One of the key tenets of the sort of Ayn Rand style libertarianism publicly espoused by the Q Party is that employers should have the freedom to set conditions of employment and deny people access to their premises on a whim.

This is one of the very rare occasions where that sort of libertarian ideology is actually correct, because it holds that any business should be able to mandate vaccines for employees and anybody who enters the premises. Which is very sensible in terms of public health and the health of those who work and enter business premises.

But the people who publicly espouse libertarianism have suddenly renounced that, just because it doesn't suit them.

And they have renounced it because they don't actually believe libertarianism at all, they use it as a front for tyranny, as libertarianism has always been used.

Those who refuse to get vaccinated are being selfish bastards who care nothing for others. They don't care if they spread Covid to somebody and that person dies.

That is real tyranny.

No more needs to be said. And no false respect or nicety should be paid to such an ideology.

Because it's literally quite happy to kill you.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 07:08:59 PM by sid waddell »

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« Reply #22266 on: September 23, 2021, 07:37:15 PM »
One of the key tenets of the sort of Ayn Rand style libertarianism publicly espoused by the Q Party is that employers should have the freedom to set conditions of employment and deny people access to their premises on a whim.

This is one of the very rare occasions where that sort of libertarian ideology is actually correct, because it holds that any business should be able to mandate vaccines for employees and anybody who enters the premises. Which is very sensible in terms of public health and the health of those who work and enter business premises.

But the people who publicly espouse libertarianism have suddenly renounced that, just because it doesn't suit them.

And they have renounced it because they don't actually believe libertarianism at all, they use it as a front for tyranny, as libertarianism has always been used.

Those who refuse to get vaccinated are being selfish bastards who care nothing for others. They don't care if they spread Covid to somebody and that person dies.

That is real tyranny.

No more needs to be said. And no false respect or nicety should be paid to such an ideology.

Because it's literally quite happy to kill you.

So what about the teachers unions suing to stop a vaccine mandate for employees who work exclusively with PEOPLE WHO CANT BE VACCINATED?

What do you think of them?

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« Reply #22267 on: September 23, 2021, 07:48:18 PM »
One of the key tenets of the sort of Ayn Rand style libertarianism publicly espoused by the Q Party is that employers should have the freedom to set conditions of employment and deny people access to their premises on a whim.

This is one of the very rare occasions where that sort of libertarian ideology is actually correct, because it holds that any business should be able to mandate vaccines for employees and anybody who enters the premises. Which is very sensible in terms of public health and the health of those who work and enter business premises.

But the people who publicly espouse libertarianism have suddenly renounced that, just because it doesn't suit them.

And they have renounced it because they don't actually believe libertarianism at all, they use it as a front for tyranny, as libertarianism has always been used.

Those who refuse to get vaccinated are being selfish bastards who care nothing for others. They don't care if they spread Covid to somebody and that person dies.

That is real tyranny.

No more needs to be said. And no false respect or nicety should be paid to such an ideology.

Because it's literally quite happy to kill you.

So what about the teachers unions suing to stop a vaccine mandate for employees who work exclusively with PEOPLE WHO CANT BE VACCINATED?

What do you think of them?
also if you have 99 employees you are ok but 100 means mandates needed , no provision for natural immunity either , here in California newsoms 2 biggest donors Pge who are burning the place down year after year and keep hiking rates and the TEACHERS union , no end go the corruption.

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« Reply #22268 on: September 24, 2021, 10:09:17 AM »
Yes j70 I believe mandates are wrong.

Just the covid mandates, or all vaccine mandates?
covid
in your current job did you have to disclose your vaccination status before now ?

Why just covid?

I don’t think I did on this one, but other jobs I’ve had to, yes. I’ve had to get annual PPD tests on my both my current and last job though.

When I began my current job, there wasn’t a pandemic taking place.

As I said in an earlier post, when the circumstances change, then the response needs to also.

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« Reply #22269 on: September 24, 2021, 10:24:34 AM »
One of the key tenets of the sort of Ayn Rand style libertarianism publicly espoused by the Q Party is that employers should have the freedom to set conditions of employment and deny people access to their premises on a whim.

This is one of the very rare occasions where that sort of libertarian ideology is actually correct, because it holds that any business should be able to mandate vaccines for employees and anybody who enters the premises. Which is very sensible in terms of public health and the health of those who work and enter business premises.

But the people who publicly espouse libertarianism have suddenly renounced that, just because it doesn't suit them.

And they have renounced it because they don't actually believe libertarianism at all, they use it as a front for tyranny, as libertarianism has always been used.

Those who refuse to get vaccinated are being selfish bastards who care nothing for others. They don't care if they spread Covid to somebody and that person dies.

That is real tyranny.

No more needs to be said. And no false respect or nicety should be paid to such an ideology.

Because it's literally quite happy to kill you.

So what about the teachers unions suing to stop a vaccine mandate for employees who work exclusively with PEOPLE WHO CANT BE VACCINATED?

What do you think of them?
also if you have 99 employees you are ok but 100 means mandates needed , no provision for natural immunity either , here in California newsoms 2 biggest donors Pge who are burning the place down year after year and keep hiking rates and the TEACHERS union , no end go the corruption.

100 people is the cut-off for loads of federal regulations. They have to draw a line somewhere, and it is typically what they use to differentiate big and small companies. I’ve no idea if that comes from some statute or if it’s simply traditional practice at this point. And people at those companies have the option of weekly testing anyway.

What provision SHOULD there be for natural immunity? How would you measure that? How long does it last? Does the level of protection vary with the severity of the infection?

I would imagine that that WILL come into it a bit down the line IF the data supports it. The only logical reason why it wouldn’t is if you’re a subscriber to some big-government-wants-to-control-us insanity.

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« Reply #22270 on: September 24, 2021, 02:07:03 PM »
Addendum to my last post (and another example of how personal, anecdotal experience doesn't necessarily extrapolate):

The feds draw the line all over the place when setting thresholds above which a particular reg will apply. The field I'm in often uses 100, but that's not always or even usually the case.

https://www.sullivan-benefits.com/wp-content/uploads/Federal-Employment-Laws-by-Employer-Size-03.17.171.pdf
https://www.hrplusinc.com/employment-laws-regulations/

The Times just did an article about this issue a few days ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/business/smallbusiness/small-business-vaccine-mandate-threshold.html

But, whatever threshold they use, they have to draw a hard line somewhere, unless they're going to make it universally applicable.

« Last Edit: September 24, 2021, 02:08:34 PM by J70 »

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« Reply #22271 on: September 24, 2021, 02:14:29 PM »
One of the key tenets of the sort of Ayn Rand style libertarianism publicly espoused by the Q Party is that employers should have the freedom to set conditions of employment and deny people access to their premises on a whim.

This is one of the very rare occasions where that sort of libertarian ideology is actually correct, because it holds that any business should be able to mandate vaccines for employees and anybody who enters the premises. Which is very sensible in terms of public health and the health of those who work and enter business premises.

But the people who publicly espouse libertarianism have suddenly renounced that, just because it doesn't suit them.

And they have renounced it because they don't actually believe libertarianism at all, they use it as a front for tyranny, as libertarianism has always been used.

Those who refuse to get vaccinated are being selfish bastards who care nothing for others. They don't care if they spread Covid to somebody and that person dies.

That is real tyranny.

No more needs to be said. And no false respect or nicety should be paid to such an ideology.

Because it's literally quite happy to kill you.

So what about the teachers unions suing to stop a vaccine mandate for employees who work exclusively with PEOPLE WHO CANT BE VACCINATED?

What do you think of them?

How many union members does it take to force the union to sue?

Honest question - I've no idea how much latitude exists. If 90% are ok with a mandate such as this, but the other 10 are not and want to file a grievance, does the union have to take it on?

More anecdotes from my end, but I've seen first hand how disruptive one or two disgruntled union employees can be and the lengths they can force a union to go to defend them for what most people would consider outrageous conduct (although such "defences" usually, again just talking my experience, come down to some HR technical mistake rather than the conduct itself being defensible).
« Last Edit: September 24, 2021, 02:18:00 PM by J70 »

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« Reply #22272 on: October 02, 2021, 06:29:08 PM »
Okay.....I’m not trying to be smart here. I’m hoping someone can actually explain this stuff in layman’s terms. There’s a big hullabaloo going on at a local high school over people being “misgendered” and students are being accused of hate speech for “deadnaming” other students.

https://springfield.edu/gender-pronouns

Don’t!

Don’t refer to pronouns such as “they/them/their” or “ze/hir/hir” as “gender-neutral pronouns.” While some people identify as gender-neutral, others see themselves as gendered in a nonbinary way. Better language is “nonbinary pronouns.”
Don’t describe the pronouns someone uses as “preferred pronouns.” It is not a preference. The pronouns that a person uses are their pronouns and the only ones that should be used for them.
Don’t say “male pronouns” and “female pronouns.” Pronouns are not necessarily tied to someone’s gender identity: some trans people use “he/him/his” or “she/her/her,” but do not identify as male or female, respectively.
If you conform to (most) gender expectations and are not a transgender person, don’t indicate that you “don’t care what pronouns are used for me.” Such statements reinforce the privilege of people who are gender conforming and not transgender because these people are not going to be misgendered and thus do not need to worry about the pronouns that people use for them. It also invalidates the experiences of gender nonconforming and transgender people, many of whom struggle with getting people to use their correct pronouns.



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« Reply #22273 on: October 06, 2021, 04:18:19 PM »
Point number 3 never fails. Either you are in total denial about the astronomical and wildly out of proportion black violence  in the United States as opposed to the other ethnic groups, or you are lying.
maybe the Democrats haven’t changed at all from the party of slavery only  now their policy is let them all kill each other  .
this may be true no charges in Chicago if it’s just combatants shooting each other.

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« Reply #22274 on: October 11, 2021, 05:29:54 PM »
Happy Columbus Day to our US posters .