Buying a new vehicle

Started by Orior, January 04, 2017, 11:59:36 AM

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Orior

I'm thinking of buying a new vehicle and am pondering over petrol versus diesel.

Does anyone know anything about emissions/noxious gases and british government plans to penalise diesel cars?
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Frank_The_Tank

how much are you willing to spend?  Have you looked at a Hybrid option at all.  Was looking at the Tesla Model S (https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/models) - really nice for a full electric car and some really good speed benchmarks and miles on a full charge.  It looks good as well - however the price is probably way too high for the average buyer - in few years though would expect them to drop
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Orior

Quote from: Frank_The_Tank on January 04, 2017, 01:27:47 PM
how much are you willing to spend?  Have you looked at a Hybrid option at all.  Was looking at the Tesla Model S (https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/models) - really nice for a full electric car and some really good speed benchmarks and miles on a full charge.  It looks good as well - however the price is probably way too high for the average buyer - in few years though would expect them to drop

Would rather not go hybrid.

QuoteDrivers of polluting diesel vehicles could soon be charged to enter many city centres across Britain, after the government accepted in the high court on Wednesday that its current plans to tackle the nation's air pollution crisis were so poor they broke the law.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/02/diesel-vehicles-face-charges-after-uk-government-loses-air-pollution-case

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Quote from: Orior on January 04, 2017, 11:59:36 AM
I'm thinking of buying a new vehicle and am pondering over petrol versus diesel.

Does anyone know anything about emissions/noxious gases and british government plans to penalise diesel cars?

The Honest John website has two sections you might visit, the Real MPG section where readers log the actual mpg of their vehicles and the Petrol v Diesel calculator section where you can compare the costs of running a petrol and diesel version of the same car based on manufacturers' information and the real mpg from readers.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/realmpg/

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/fuel-calculator/

Unless you are going to keep your car for more than 3 to 5 years you should have no worries about being penalised.  However, the will be penalties for those in major UK cities where congestion charges are levied.  Buying secondhand could be an issue if there is any penalties for actual output from vehicles as older cars tend to produce more pollution.

The UK focus to date has been on CO2 output and not on Nitrous Oxide production.  The VW scandal was actually a focus on Nitrous Oxides which became a focus on actual mpg versus test conditions.  Nitrous Oxide is the most dangerous pollutant as it affects those with respiratory illness and can contribute to deaths.  Government is slowly moving towards it but CO2 production is still the focus because of internal agreements to lower greenhouse gas output.

From April this year there will be a major hike in the car tax levy and there has been little notice paid to this change.  As far as I know it will relate to new car bought from that date.  It was announced in March 2015 and most people do not realise.

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tax/budget-2015-new-road-tax-rates-for-2017-onwards/
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road-tax/budget-2015-new-ved-bands-to-be-introduced-from-2017/

Dougal Maguire

I'm selling my 2013 Hyundai IX35 2.2 diesel. Top of range- sat nav, sun roof, side steps, half leather seats, 4WD, 12 months manufacturers warranty. 80,000. £9,950 and she's yours.
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Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 04, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
I'm selling my 2013 Hyundai IX35 2.2 diesel. Top of range- sat nav, sun roof, side steps, half leather seats, 4WD, 12 months manufacturers warranty. 80,000. £9,950 and she's yours.

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Dougal Maguire

Thinking of changing the car. Hyundai Tucson it's 2016 with a year's warranty left on it. Fancied a Kona hybrid but don't think they're powerful enough to tow the caravan. Looking for something that would be around £10 grand along with my own. Currently considering a 2019 Tucson or Seat Ateca or a 2018 Mercedes GLA. Any advice would be appreciated
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under the bar

Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 04, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
I'm selling my 2013 Hyundai IX35 2.2 diesel. Top of range- sat nav, sun roof, side steps, half leather seats, 4WD, 12 months manufacturers warranty. 80,000. £9,950 and she's yours.

What's the 0-60?

Ambrose

Quote from: under the bar on December 21, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 04, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
I'm selling my 2013 Hyundai IX35 2.2 diesel. Top of range- sat nav, sun roof, side steps, half leather seats, 4WD, 12 months manufacturers warranty. 80,000. £9,950 and she's yours.

What's the 0-60?

You'd need a calendar to measure it.

A 2.2 IX35???
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under the bar

Quote from: Ambrose on December 22, 2019, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: under the bar on December 21, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 04, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
I'm selling my 2013 Hyundai IX35 2.2 diesel. Top of range- sat nav, sun roof, side steps, half leather seats, 4WD, 12 months manufacturers warranty. 80,000. £9,950 and she's yours.

What's the 0-60?

You'd need a calendar to measure it.

A 2.2 IX35???

A bit like Liverpool matching United at WCC level?  11 years on?  ;D

Dougal Maguire

Quote from: Ambrose on December 22, 2019, 12:08:10 AM
Quote from: under the bar on December 21, 2019, 02:26:22 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on January 04, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
I'm selling my 2013 Hyundai IX35 2.2 diesel. Top of range- sat nav, sun roof, side steps, half leather seats, 4WD, 12 months manufacturers warranty. 80,000. £9,950 and she's yours.

What's the 0-60?

You'd need a calendar to measure it.

A 2.2 IX35???
You certainly would given the post is almost 3 years old 😂😂
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tyroneman

Was thinking of buying a premium diesel suv for the first time next year (maybe one of the smaller in the Merc, Audi, bmw range)....around 1yr old...but are these likely to be virtually worthless in 5 years time when I go to trade in or sell?

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Quote from: tyroneman on December 22, 2019, 10:23:02 AM
Was thinking of buying a premium diesel suv for the first time next year (maybe one of the smaller in the Merc, Audi, bmw range)....around 1yr old...but are these likely to be virtually worthless in 5 years time when I go to trade in or sell?

The brand's you mention tend to hold their value.  Kia, Hyundai etc will probably be worth more as scrap

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https://www.rte.ie/brainstorm/2023/0503/1380408-eu-ban-petrol-diesel-cars-2035-emissions-standards-euro-7/Ultimately, the ban in 2035 won't kill the majority of petrol and diesel models, but it will be caused by a simple financial decision by automakers as they react to tightening emission standards and fleet average efficiency requirements. This is already clearly reflected in the long-term development plans for the majority of manufacturers. Mercedes-Benz, Stellantis (Chrysler, Fiat, Peugeot, Citroen), Jaguar, Volvo, Ford and VW Group (Audi, Seat, Skoda) all plan to cease the sale of petrol and diesel models far ahead of the ban.
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