We'll probably never see his like again. A towering figure in Irish politics who left a better legacy for all of us.
(I think it's noteworthy enough for a thread of its own, but feel free to lock up if you think the Death Notices thread is fine.)
No, I think the death of the greatest leader in our lifetimes deserves a thread of its own.
An immense figure for humanity . A great man for Derry and Ireland. Adored in Derry even among non SDLP voters . Mostly known for peace work but here in Derry he was the last person to bring significant inward investment
RIP John Hume. What a man he was
Happy to contribute to this thread also - definitely one of my heroes, who just knew what it took to get things done.
His involvement in and dedication to civil rights, education and the economy (as FBNS says, through attracting inward investment) contributed more than we can ever know to the lives we enjoy today.
Legendary figure, will never be forgotten
A great leader, a great Derry man and a great Irish man. RIP.
Met him once the day I got married. Just before my wife and I were called into the ballroom. Up steps John Hume to wish us well. I was star struck this man was a hero of mine growing up. The humanity of the man will never be surpassed. A real leader of the underdog and a politician who represented his people. He went out and got stuff done instead of talking about it. RIP
Lots of great stories coming out about this great man. I particularly like one about how he met with ETA and Spanish Loyalists and got them talking to each other, told ETA that violence was futile and told the Spanish Loyalist that he should accept that but for an accident of birth he might be doing exactly the same as his ETA opponent. So true.
Unfortunately I then had to listen to that utter w**ker John Bruton on Drive Time this morning pretty much equating Hume with his own anti nationalist sentiment which is clearly false - I doubt Hume would have much time for Brutons politics. He spent his entire interview saying that Hume got terrorists to give up violence, never mentioned anything else. But it was much more than that simple thing that Mr Bruton would have us all believe, he also got unbending prejudicial unionists with a superiority complex to consider and accept that they must share power with the peasants. For me that was actually his biggest achievement.
Brilliant man - the cornerstone the peace process was built on.
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2020, 09:48:20 AM
Lots of great stories coming out about this great man. I particularly like one about how he met with ETA and Spanish Loyalists and got them talking to each other, told ETA that violence was futile and told the Spanish Loyalist that he should accept that but for an accident of birth he might be doing exactly the same as his ETA opponent. So true.
Unfortunately I then had to listen to that utter w**ker John Bruton on Drive Time this morning pretty much equating Hume with his own anti nationalist sentiment which is clearly false - I doubt Hume would have much time for Brutons politics. He spent his entire interview saying that Hume got terrorists to give up violence, never mentioned anything else. But it was much more than that simple thing that Mr Bruton would have us all believe, he also got unbending prejudicial unionists with a superiority complex to consider and accept that they must share power with the peasants. For me that was actually his biggest achievement.
Bruton is a tool.
But Adams on radio ulster yesterday was embarrassing, made it all about him and SF. Was a bit more magnanimous last night on evening news, probably realised he was being a knob
I was privileged to see Hume debating in a college event midway through the 80s. He was literally fearless in arguing against extremists. We could do with him today.
Fkn Bruton should keep quiet.
He sat for 3 years 1994-97 and almost let the whole peace process unravel.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2020, 09:48:20 AM
Lots of great stories coming out about this great man. I particularly like one about how he met with ETA and Spanish Loyalists and got them talking to each other, told ETA that violence was futile and told the Spanish Loyalist that he should accept that but for an accident of birth he might be doing exactly the same as his ETA opponent. So true.
Unfortunately I then had to listen to that utter w**ker John Bruton on Drive Time this morning pretty much equating Hume with his own anti nationalist sentiment which is clearly false - I doubt Hume would have much time for Brutons politics. He spent his entire interview saying that Hume got terrorists to give up violence, never mentioned anything else. But it was much more than that simple thing that Mr Bruton would have us all believe, he also got unbending prejudicial unionists with a superiority complex to consider and accept that they must share power with the peasants. For me that was actually his biggest achievement.
Bruton is a tool.
But Adams on radio ulster yesterday was embarrassing, made it all about him and SF. Was a bit more magnanimous last night on evening news, probably realised he was being a knob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZoLp5kOIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZoLp5kOIc)
This one?
Quote from: johnnycool on August 04, 2020, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2020, 09:48:20 AM
Lots of great stories coming out about this great man. I particularly like one about how he met with ETA and Spanish Loyalists and got them talking to each other, told ETA that violence was futile and told the Spanish Loyalist that he should accept that but for an accident of birth he might be doing exactly the same as his ETA opponent. So true.
Unfortunately I then had to listen to that utter w**ker John Bruton on Drive Time this morning pretty much equating Hume with his own anti nationalist sentiment which is clearly false - I doubt Hume would have much time for Brutons politics. He spent his entire interview saying that Hume got terrorists to give up violence, never mentioned anything else. But it was much more than that simple thing that Mr Bruton would have us all believe, he also got unbending prejudicial unionists with a superiority complex to consider and accept that they must share power with the peasants. For me that was actually his biggest achievement.
Bruton is a tool.
But Adams on radio ulster yesterday was embarrassing, made it all about him and SF. Was a bit more magnanimous last night on evening news, probably realised he was being a knob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZoLp5kOIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZoLp5kOIc)
This one?
Dont see anything wrong with that. Adams too made sacrifices and had to be mindful that there were factions within the IRA that would have been totally against dialogue vrs Physical force. I always thought the Hume/Adams paper got lost in the story telling of the ceasefire, it was the key that opened the door. But today is about John Hume.
People using John Humes death to throw the boot into SF really need to have a word with themselves.
The thin skin of some of you shinners is unreal......
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
People using John Humes death to throw the boot into SF really need to have a word with themselves.
As they say here is Derry "Take yer oil"
They did attack his house on many many occasions
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
People using John Humes death to throw the boot into SF really need to have a word with themselves.
As they say here is Derry "Take yer oil"
They did attack his house on many many occasions
You've derailed the thread to have a pointless dig at SF. Bit of sense maybe.
Facts can be damn inconvenient at times ;D
I have to laugh at some of those praising John for starting the talks that got the Provos to move away from violence.
They and their narrow minds and lack of vision castigated him at the time from every pillar possible for talking to Gerry A.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
Facts can be damn inconvenient at times ;D
I have to laugh at some of those praising John for starting the talks that got the Provos to move away from violence.
They and their narrow minds and lack of vision castigated him at the time from every pillar possible for talking to Gerry A.
You can't accuse RDE of that, that's for sure, she's only after doubling down on her bile..
Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
Facts can be damn inconvenient at times ;D
I have to laugh at some of those praising John for starting the talks that got the Provos to move away from violence.
They and their narrow minds and lack of vision castigated him at the time from every pillar possible for talking to Gerry A.
Facts are facts. And opinions are opinions. Knowing the difference is important. Either way, Think this thread should be focused on John Hume and what he brought to NI. As strong a politician that we are ever likely to see in our life time.
That woman is disgusting - absolutely disgusting. It's just hate. Why does anyone let her write in their papers or whatever.
I am loving seeing some of the photos of Hume. I didn't know much about the credit union stuff either.
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2020, 09:48:20 AM
he also got unbending prejudicial unionists with a superiority complex to consider and accept that they must share power with the peasants. For me that was actually his biggest achievement.
I firmly agree with this point. John's focus on civil rights and equality was spot on and wedged open a door for nationalists that previously wasn't open in terms of senior roles in government and commerce in particular. He was part of the first cohort to benefit from free secondary education, which was another accelerant towards equality.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 04, 2020, 01:28:17 PM
Facts can be damn inconvenient at times ;D
I have to laugh at some of those praising John for starting the talks that got the Provos to move away from violence.
They and their narrow minds and lack of vision castigated him at the time from every pillar possible for talking to Gerry A.
John Bruton and the entire Independent media group for a start. It certainly didn't age well for them but of course that doesn't stop them ignoring that fact. I say it again, it was easier to get the IRA to ceasefire than to get those pricks to see the bigger picture.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 04, 2020, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
People using John Humes death to throw the boot into SF really need to have a word with themselves.
As they say here is Derry "Take yer oil"
They did attack his house on many many occasions
You've derailed the thread to have a pointless dig at SF. Bit of sense maybe.
Look, tá an fhírinne searbh.
I am from Derry.
John brought so much to our city from the bridge, airport, Seagate and of course peace. He done this under constant verbal attacks from loyalists like Gergory Campbell and physical/verbal attacks from IRA in Derry. This is not opinion. It is fact. I'm ashamed to say that I still have clear memories at 11 years of age been instructed by republicans in my street to attack SDLP canvassing cars in the same fashion we attacked the army/police. This was the normal approach locally to John and his party. You know "The stoops"
As I said "Take yer oil". All of this
is about John and it is not derailment to say it. I am just presenting the same facts we hear on the news, but in a more real, raw manner.
Very true Itchy.
Thankfully Bertie, Blair and Clinton (despite many other faults) came along round the same time and had a bit of vision too.
Quote from: Rois on August 04, 2020, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2020, 09:48:20 AM
he also got unbending prejudicial unionists with a superiority complex to consider and accept that they must share power with the peasants. For me that was actually his biggest achievement.
I firmly agree with this point. John's focus on civil rights and equality was spot on and wedged open a door for nationalists that previously wasn't open in terms of senior roles in government and commerce in particular. He was part of the first cohort to benefit from free secondary education, which was another accelerant towards equality.
Yeah I was reading a comment on twitter about this kind of thing. You have to consider what catholics would have suffered in 60s/70s /80s and maybe even 90s and you look at where things are now. There are probably quite a few on this board on good jobs with good lifestyles etc and it wouldn't have been but for him. His influence on our day to day lives can not be understated. I turned 18 at GFA agreement time so thankfully haven't encountered too many problems in this regard but over the years you hear various comments like you won't get a first class honours from queens because you're a catholic, you won't get a high paying job etc etc and he was integral in taking a lot of that "stigma" away.
I often wonder how if the 70s etc were now in terms of NI how the rest of the world would view it in terms of equality etc.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 04, 2020, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
People using John Humes death to throw the boot into SF really need to have a word with themselves.
As they say here is Derry "Take yer oil"
They did attack his house on many many occasions
You've derailed the thread to have a pointless dig at SF. Bit of sense maybe.
Look, tá an fhírinne searbh.
I am from Derry.
John brought so much to our city from the bridge, airport, Seagate and of course peace. He done this under constant verbal attacks from loyalists like Gergory Campbell and physical/verbal attacks from IRA in Derry. This is not opinion. It is fact. I'm ashamed to say that I still have clear memories at 11 years of age been instructed by republicans in my street to attack SDLP canvassing cars in the same fashion we attacked the army/police. This was the normal approach locally to John and his party. You know "The stoops"
As I said "Take yer oil". All of this is about John and it is not derailment to say it. I am just presenting the same facts we hear on the news, but in a more real, raw manner.
Whatever you reckon. You can't walk past a thread without a bit of SF bashing. Some of it is justified. But it's got to the stage now where you look like you've got one motive on this board such is the volume of posts having a dig at SF. And I'm always wary of people with agendas.
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 04, 2020, 01:34:56 PM
That woman is disgusting - absolutely disgusting. It's just hate. Why does anyone let her write in their papers or whatever.
I am loving seeing some of the photos of Hume. I didn't know much about the credit union stuff either.
The Credit Union thing was huge giving Catholics access to finance when the banks wouldn't go near them it was a massive point in the Nationalist Civil Rights movement and he was the main driver behind it!!
Quote from: Rois on August 04, 2020, 01:37:58 PM
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2020, 09:48:20 AM
he also got unbending prejudicial unionists with a superiority complex to consider and accept that they must share power with the peasants. For me that was actually his biggest achievement.
I firmly agree with this point. John's focus on civil rights and equality was spot on and wedged open a door for nationalists that previously wasn't open in terms of senior roles in government and commerce in particular. He was part of the first cohort to benefit from free secondary education, which was another accelerant towards equality.
Another initiative the ruling elites in "Ulster" did their utmost to prevent and was forced upon them.
John probably knew he needed the international element to get the Brits and the unionists to seriously consider some form of parity of esteem and developed relations with politicians in the US culminating of getting the ear of Clinton and the European ties to secure the "peace" money used to bring the militant element onside (on both sides).
Trimble was put in a no win situation as the eyes of the world were on him as Unionism has always been forced to deliver in their eyes are concessions but in nationalist eyes is parity.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 04, 2020, 02:05:19 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 01:50:52 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on August 04, 2020, 01:19:35 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: RedHand88 on August 04, 2020, 12:47:57 PM
People using John Humes death to throw the boot into SF really need to have a word with themselves.
As they say here is Derry "Take yer oil"
They did attack his house on many many occasions
You've derailed the thread to have a pointless dig at SF. Bit of sense maybe.
Look, tá an fhírinne searbh.
I am from Derry.
John brought so much to our city from the bridge, airport, Seagate and of course peace. He done this under constant verbal attacks from loyalists like Gergory Campbell and physical/verbal attacks from IRA in Derry. This is not opinion. It is fact. I'm ashamed to say that I still have clear memories at 11 years of age been instructed by republicans in my street to attack SDLP canvassing cars in the same fashion we attacked the army/police. This was the normal approach locally to John and his party. You know "The stoops"
As I said "Take yer oil". All of this is about John and it is not derailment to say it. I am just presenting the same facts we hear on the news, but in a more real, raw manner.
Whatever you reckon. You can't walk past a thread without a bit of SF bashing. Some of it is justified. But it's got to the stage now where you look like you've got one motive on this board such is the volume of posts having a dig at SF. And I'm always wary of people with agendas.
gardening, wildlife and hurling are my big interests.
But I think you will agree that most of the active threads on here are related one way or the other to local politics. If me and few others were not on here it would be very unbalanced and the board is clearly oversubscribed with supporters of one political party. That's fine too, but if I start telling lies then it would be fair to criticise me
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/martin-mansergh-john-hume-ensured-the-emancipation-of-catholics-in-the-north-1.4321084?mode=amp
"In 1925, the Free State's minister for justice Kevin O'Higgins complained to the British that, since partition, Catholic nationalists in the North were living in the same conditions of Catholics prior to Catholic emancipation. John Hume, whose politics embodied the ideals of the civil rights movement, made the biggest contribution to their renewed emancipation."
https://youtu.be/O3G1bwD0ao0
Quote from: johnnycool on August 04, 2020, 10:42:07 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 04, 2020, 10:13:05 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 04, 2020, 09:48:20 AM
Lots of great stories coming out about this great man. I particularly like one about how he met with ETA and Spanish Loyalists and got them talking to each other, told ETA that violence was futile and told the Spanish Loyalist that he should accept that but for an accident of birth he might be doing exactly the same as his ETA opponent. So true.
Unfortunately I then had to listen to that utter w**ker John Bruton on Drive Time this morning pretty much equating Hume with his own anti nationalist sentiment which is clearly false - I doubt Hume would have much time for Brutons politics. He spent his entire interview saying that Hume got terrorists to give up violence, never mentioned anything else. But it was much more than that simple thing that Mr Bruton would have us all believe, he also got unbending prejudicial unionists with a superiority complex to consider and accept that they must share power with the peasants. For me that was actually his biggest achievement.
Bruton is a tool.
But Adams on radio ulster yesterday was embarrassing, made it all about him and SF. Was a bit more magnanimous last night on evening news, probably realised he was being a knob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZoLp5kOIc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkZoLp5kOIc)
This one?
I heard Gerry Adams on numerous outlets yesterday saying similar to this video. There has been some selective quoting of Adams with agendas, no doubt. Any SF person that I have seen commenting have been gracious and magnanimous about John Hume. John Hume was probably the last SDLP person I voted for. As Adams himself said the SDLP without him was not fit for purpose and Mallon, Rodgers et all were FG lite and not in touch with working class nationalists. Lest we forget though John Hume talking to me or my mate would not have found a solution. People are too quick to decry the contribution of Adams and McGuinness, change can only come from within. But God Rest John Hume in my opinion one of our greatest leaders ever.
Some fantastic photos of him over the last few days
(https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/archive/places/e8758/25637072.ece/AUTOCROP/w1000/john-hume)
John Hume was an absolute statesman and a man of the people.
He had the courage to follow his principles and he dragged those around him with him. We could do with more of this type type of politician today.
I'm not an SDLP supporter, but Hume is one of those people who will go down in history as being instrumental in the peace process here and for that he should be respected and revered.
Its sad that his illness meant he couldn't remember all that he achieved, but his legacy lives on and he'll certainly go down in history as someone who made a real difference in this country for all those who live here.
RIP.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000lw2r
Great interview.
The Glen. Great people and area. Like a lot of Derry, country people slowly becoming city people.
Quote from: Boycey on August 04, 2020, 12:51:23 PM
The thin skin of some of you shinners is unreal......
They are the most thin-skinned people I've ever met. Never saw moaning minnies like them.
Quote from: Eamonnca1 on August 04, 2020, 04:54:11 PM
Quote from: Boycey on August 04, 2020, 12:51:23 PM
The thin skin of some of you shinners is unreal......
They are the most thin-skinned people I've ever met. Never saw moaning minnies like them.
Have to say had a chuckle at this. yeah you should try and get them banned.
Quiet.
Did anyone read the article by John Hume that was published in the Irish Times back in 1964 and reprinted today in their supplement? That he wrote it in 1964 before the Troubles is amazing, he focussed on unity by consent, and how positions of accepting the constitutional position and being a nationalist were not mutually exclusive. In fact, his words of advice plot the progress made by nationalists since then, without one word about violence.
An absolutely amazing man. He is/was one of the most influential person in Irish history. Sid already said he espoused non-violent ways of achieving political progress. The stories of people here about his humility makes him seem more normal than most of these politicians we have nowadays.
David McWilliams just did a quality wee podcast episode on him. Credit Union gets a mention. Very interesting stuff.
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Fr Farren did him justice with his homily. A nice thing about the imposed restrictions is that it very much felt like a personal funeral and yes, the key politicians were there, but it wasn't a circus. It was like it was one of our family.
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 04, 2020, 10:07:11 AM
Brilliant man - the cornerstone the peace process was built on.
Cornerstone and architect, all other players shifted their position, were drawn/dragged into the process and Hume was the fulcrum.
How he had to share the Nobel prize with Trimble beats me.
When it's Trimble's turn I'll not sure he'll get the same level of affection or plaudits from world leaders.
Quote from: Main Street on August 05, 2020, 10:17:55 PM
Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on August 04, 2020, 10:07:11 AM
Brilliant man - the cornerstone the peace process was built on.
Cornerstone and architect, all other players shifted their position, were drawn/dragged into the process and Hume was the fulcrum.
How he had to share the Nobel prize with Trimble beats me.
Rank wasnt it. Trimble wasnt fit to lace his 4th cousin's boots.
Although as he would say there could be no winners. It was the price that had to be paid for peace
Quote from: Rois on August 05, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Fr Farren did him justice with his homily. A nice thing about the imposed restrictions is that it very much felt like a personal funeral and yes, the key politicians were there, but it wasn't a circus. It was like it was one of our family.
I watched the funeral service on TV and couldn't help but compare the quiet dignity shown by the Hume family with the political show put on by SF for Bobby Storey's funeral a few weeks ago.
It was a nice simple service and fair play to RTE for broadcasting it in a tasteful manner
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2020, 06:37:45 AM
Quote from: Rois on August 05, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Fr Farren did him justice with his homily. A nice thing about the imposed restrictions is that it very much felt like a personal funeral and yes, the key politicians were there, but it wasn't a circus. It was like it was one of our family.
I watched the funeral service on TV and couldn't help but compare the quiet dignity shown by the Hume family with the political show put on by SF for Bobby Storey's funeral a few weeks ago.
It was a nice simple service and fair play to RTE for broadcasting it in a tasteful manner
Comparing funerals now, stay classy Dublin7.
Quote from: Itchy on August 06, 2020, 08:25:14 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2020, 06:37:45 AM
Quote from: Rois on August 05, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Fr Farren did him justice with his homily. A nice thing about the imposed restrictions is that it very much felt like a personal funeral and yes, the key politicians were there, but it wasn't a circus. It was like it was one of our family.
I watched the funeral service on TV and couldn't help but compare the quiet dignity shown by the Hume family with the political show put on by SF for Bobby Storey's funeral a few weeks ago.
It was a nice simple service and fair play to RTE for broadcasting it in a tasteful manner
Comparing funerals now, stay classy Dublin7.
Everyone is saying and thinking it though. Arrogance versus humility. And that is no slight on Bobby Storeys family, may he rest in peace. But it is fair comment and a very relevant one directed at SF.
I think privately even some in sinn fein are saying it was an own goal. Anyone who had to bury a loved one during the restrictions must have felt badly let down.
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 06, 2020, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 06, 2020, 08:25:14 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2020, 06:37:45 AM
Quote from: Rois on August 05, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Fr Farren did him justice with his homily. A nice thing about the imposed restrictions is that it very much felt like a personal funeral and yes, the key politicians were there, but it wasn't a circus. It was like it was one of our family.
I watched the funeral service on TV and couldn't help but compare the quiet dignity shown by the Hume family with the political show put on by SF for Bobby Storey's funeral a few weeks ago.
It was a nice simple service and fair play to RTE for broadcasting it in a tasteful manner
Comparing funerals now, stay classy Dublin7.
Everyone is saying and thinking it though. Arrogance versus humility. And that is no slight on Bobby Storeys family, may he rest in peace. But it is fair comment and a very relevant one directed at SF.
Then take it to the Sinn Fein thread and add it to your list of complaints.
Quote from: Itchy on August 06, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
Then take it to the Sinn Fein thread and add it to your list of complaints.
Seriously, please heed this. This thread is about John Hume the legend.
What was the crunchie story?
Quote from: imtommygunn on August 06, 2020, 09:25:06 AM
What was the crunchie story?
Apparently he liked his chocolate bars. Heard something about the grandkids used to send him bars for his birthdays, and his son saying that John said a crunchie was less fattening because it had loads of air in it.
;D
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2020, 06:37:45 AM
Quote from: Rois on August 05, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Fr Farren did him justice with his homily. A nice thing about the imposed restrictions is that it very much felt like a personal funeral and yes, the key politicians were there, but it wasn't a circus. It was like it was one of our family.
I watched the funeral service on TV and couldn't help but compare the quiet dignity shown by the Hume family with the political show put on by SF for Bobby Storey's funeral a few weeks ago.
It was a nice simple service and fair play to RTE for broadcasting it in a tasteful manner
Firstly, we did not see the inside of the church for Storey's funeral, but it has been said that there were 120 socially distanced in the church and this has not been refuted, secondly SDLP quite correctly provided a guard of honour for JH. Also the good people of Derry rightly lined the streets for him. The SDLP or Hume family could not control that anymore than SF could those who lined the streets of Belfast, and there would also be a bigger tradition of doing so for republican funerals. Not about comparisons but Irish people will always honour their dead at funerals.
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 09:59:57 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2020, 06:37:45 AM
Quote from: Rois on August 05, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Fr Farren did him justice with his homily. A nice thing about the imposed restrictions is that it very much felt like a personal funeral and yes, the key politicians were there, but it wasn't a circus. It was like it was one of our family.
I watched the funeral service on TV and couldn't help but compare the quiet dignity shown by the Hume family with the political show put on by SF for Bobby Storey's funeral a few weeks ago.
It was a nice simple service and fair play to RTE for broadcasting it in a tasteful manner
And tell us this....was his coffin nicer than Storey's too?
Poor taste. As Rois said yous would be betrer taking elsewhere
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 10:04:47 AM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 06, 2020, 08:49:44 AM
Quote from: Itchy on August 06, 2020, 08:25:14 AM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2020, 06:37:45 AM
Quote from: Rois on August 05, 2020, 02:57:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 05, 2020, 01:15:02 PM
A lovely mass covered tastefully by RTE
Fr Farren did him justice with his homily. A nice thing about the imposed restrictions is that it very much felt like a personal funeral and yes, the key politicians were there, but it wasn't a circus. It was like it was one of our family.
I watched the funeral service on TV and couldn't help but compare the quiet dignity shown by the Hume family with the political show put on by SF for Bobby Storey's funeral a few weeks ago.
It was a nice simple service and fair play to RTE for broadcasting it in a tasteful manner
Comparing funerals now, stay classy Dublin7.
Everyone is saying and thinking it though. Arrogance versus humility. And that is no slight on Bobby Storeys family, may he rest in peace. But it is fair comment and a very relevant one directed at SF.
Isn't it? They might see that differently.
My point is, I do not think they would not have had full control of that situation, if they did well it would have been a poor decision albeit at a very difficult time for them.
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 10:51:10 AM
Or how about you let the man rest in peace and let his family grieve in peace without dragging them through this shite every time the next man is buried. That'd be my thoughts on it.
This is not about the family, its about all our families. I think you know that. We must hold our political leaders to account, especially when our own relatives were dragged through this shite when people passed away over last few months. It was one rule for some and another rule for the rest of us. Orwellian behaviour.
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
How do you think his family feel when every time someone else is buried, comments summed up as "Better than his one" are made? And is there a need to do that?
Not great. But poor political leadership helped create the situation.
Some nice contributions here on this magnificent man whose contribution to Irish life will stand alongside the very best. My mother being from Omagh, we were more keenly aware than most in the 26 of what the border was like and what life was like in the 6. Many of my relatives would have known John Hume at various stages in his life and the stories that have been revived and retold in recent days are heartwarming, ironic, stark, sometimes sad but overall have a consistent theme - integrity and equality. We don't see many people of John Hume's quality in political life and we're much the poorer for it. When they do come along they tend to be vilified for operating outside the recognised norms. John Hume was. He continued though because he wasn't in politics for money or power - he was there to improve things for people, to fight for those who couldn't fight themselves. He knowingly sacrificed his own political party for the sake of peace and much more than that. Ireland is a poorer place without him. RIP.
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
How do you think his family feel when every time someone else is buried, comments summed up as "Better than his one" are made? And is there a need to do that?
I thought it was reasonable to point out the contrasting approach to both funerals. If you take that as a personal attack on a family that's on you.
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
How do you think his family feel when every time someone else is buried, comments summed up as "Better than his one" are made? And is there a need to do that?
I thought it was reasonable to point out the contrasting approach to both funerals. If you take that as a personal attack on a family that's on you.
It's not. How did Seamus Mallon's funeral compare to the two, just out of interest? Is that relevant also? It is reasonable to respect these people and their families without having the All Ireland funeral competition.
No, because it was pre-covid 19. That is the only aspect of the funerals we are talking about. There would never be comparisons if we didn't have Covid 19-that would be pretty weird. Its not a personal attack on families or content of funerals, its how the organisors each abided to the laws that they are asking the rest of us to uphold.
FFS point scoring on this thread. Some people would want to take a look at themselves.
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: Fear Bun Na Sceilpe on August 06, 2020, 01:41:46 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 01:27:17 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on August 06, 2020, 01:04:15 PM
Quote from: hardstation on August 06, 2020, 11:09:13 AM
How do you think his family feel when every time someone else is buried, comments summed up as "Better than his one" are made? And is there a need to do that?
I thought it was reasonable to point out the contrasting approach to both funerals. If you take that as a personal attack on a family that's on you.
It's not. How did Seamus Mallon's funeral compare to the two, just out of interest? Is that relevant also? It is reasonable to respect these people and their families without having the All Ireland funeral competition.
No, because it was pre-covid 19. That is the only aspect of the funerals we are talking about. There would never be comparisons if we didn't have Covid 19-that would be pretty weird. Its not a personal attack on families or content of funerals, its how they each abided to the laws that they are asking the rest of us to uphold.
No, one was described as having "quiet dignity" as opposed to the other. No mention of abiding by the laws. That's pathetic and as you say comparing funerals in this way is pretty weird.
if you read back on my comments I did not say that. I did say one displayed humility when another displayed arrogance(I was referring to party political arrogance). I will not retract the arrogance part as it is clearly true, but I must admit that in hindsight the humility bit would come across conversely as me stating that the family were not humble. I apologise for that, as I did not intend that.
I am also a credit union volunteer and have been for over 20 years. John Hume was and always will be both my credit union hero and a politician who set an example to us all. I went to Derry to stand with his neighbours and others who wanted to pay their respects as his remains passed on the way to the cemetery. It was dignified and solemn as the hearse passed.
The only difference between his funeral cortege and that of Bobby Storey was the lack of TV cameras, who portray funerals to their own agenda and try to make one set of mourners less worthy than the other.
Where is the tv coverage of the funeral on the streets of Derry that showed wether social distancing was being observed.