Arlene's bigotry shines through

[Insane Bolt]

The 26 counties, though not perfect , is an example to northern nationalism in dealing with the past.

I'd like to come back with a more detailed analysis of your post later if I get the time, but for now, the line above really does need to be called out as sheer and utter BS.

Consider the treatment of Martin McGuinness in his presidential election run, and then try to tell me that the 26 counties is an example in dealing with the past. There is a substantial population south of the border with minimal understanding of the conflict (having learned about it via the medium of a Section 31 state censored media) who are as vindictive and bitter opponents of Irish Republicanism as any north Antrim TUV voter. The DUP agreed to enter powersharing with SF almost 2 decades ago. To this day, FF and FG still for the most part publically maintain that "SFs past" makes them "unsuitable" to enter government with. Of course, they will insist on unionists sharing power with them in the north. Utter hypocrites.

In 1998 at the assembly elections SF were the 4th.....yes 4th largest party, behind SDLP, UUP, DUP. John  Hume topped the polls followed by Trimble, Paisley and then Adams. It would seem that anyone who opposes SF (especially those who are Nationalists) are according to you 'vindictive and bitter'.
Many people from all sides lost loved ones, so they have every right to feel bitter.
Now answer this.....is Gerry Adams a hypocrite? After all he wasn't in the IRA, he was a founder member of the Civil Rights Movement, and he protected his paedopile brother. If that's not hypocrisy then I give up.

[Applesisapples]

The 26 counties, though not perfect , is an example to northern nationalism in dealing with the past.

I'd like to come back with a more detailed analysis of your post later if I get the time, but for now, the line above really does need to be called out as sheer and utter BS.

Consider the treatment of Martin McGuinness in his presidential election run, and then try to tell me that the 26 counties is an example in dealing with the past. There is a substantial population south of the border with minimal understanding of the conflict (having learned about it via the medium of a Section 31 state censored media) who are as vindictive and bitter opponents of Irish Republicanism as any north Antrim TUV voter. The DUP agreed to enter powersharing with SF almost 2 decades ago. To this day, FF and FG still for the most part publically maintain that "SFs past" makes them "unsuitable" to enter government with. Of course, they will insist on unionists sharing power with them in the north. Utter hypocrites.

In 1998 at the assembly elections SF were the 4th.....yes 4th largest party, behind SDLP, UUP, DUP. John  Hume topped the polls followed by Trimble, Paisley and then Adams. It would seem that anyone who opposes SF (especially those who are Nationalists) are according to you 'vindictive and bitter'.
Many people from all sides lost loved ones, so they have every right to feel bitter.
Now answer this.....is Gerry Adams a hypocrite? After all he wasn't in the IRA, he was a founder member of the Civil Rights Movement, and he protected his paedopile brother. If that's not hypocrisy then I give up.

I fear that it is not only the Shinners who are bitter and twisted .

[Snapchap]

The 26 counties, though not perfect , is an example to northern nationalism in dealing with the past.

I'd like to come back with a more detailed analysis of your post later if I get the time, but for now, the line above really does need to be called out as sheer and utter BS.

Consider the treatment of Martin McGuinness in his presidential election run, and then try to tell me that the 26 counties is an example in dealing with the past. There is a substantial population south of the border with minimal understanding of the conflict (having learned about it via the medium of a Section 31 state censored media) who are as vindictive and bitter opponents of Irish Republicanism as any north Antrim TUV voter. The DUP agreed to enter powersharing with SF almost 2 decades ago. To this day, FF and FG still for the most part publically maintain that "SFs past" makes them "unsuitable" to enter government with. Of course, they will insist on unionists sharing power with them in the north. Utter hypocrites.

In 1998 at the assembly elections SF were the 4th.....yes 4th largest party, behind SDLP, UUP, DUP. John  Hume topped the polls followed by Trimble, Paisley and then Adams. It would seem that anyone who opposes SF (especially those who are Nationalists) are according to you 'vindictive and bitter'.
Many people from all sides lost loved ones, so they have every right to feel bitter.
Now answer this.....is Gerry Adams a hypocrite? After all he wasn't in the IRA, he was a founder member of the Civil Rights Movement, and he protected his paedopile brother. If that's not hypocrisy then I give up.

In my post anumber of pages back about the Gerry Adams documentary, I specifically noted that of all the opponents of Adams to contribute to the documentary, Mallon was the ONLY one to come across as bitter and twisted. If you are going to make a personal attack on me, at least ground it in fact.

As for the rest of your post, I'm at an absolute loss as to what point you're trying to make.

[johnnycool]

The problem for the SDLP is basically that the majority of the nationalist community are republican at heart, those that vote anyway. The SDLP missed a trick as they turned light green and hung their hat on making NI work. At its inner most core the nationalist community is not interested in Westminster or in Stormont and that is why the Shinners get the vote. Add into that a growing younger generation of nationalist that refuse to tone down its identity or doff the cap to superior unionist culture. Had the SDLP really felt the heart beat of their community they would have understood this. The SDLP are still wed to the old unionist adage of SF/IRA and nationalists by and large don't accept this as a black and white situation.

Good analysis.  The SDLP fatally misread the result of the GFA Referendum.  They thought that a resounding "Yes" from nationalists (North & South) meant that support for a UI was on the wane amongst nationalists.  They started to talk about "post-nationalism" and occupying the "middle ground" in partnership with the UUP and started to become "green-lite" very quickly.  A lot of their supporters scratched their heads and concluded that the SDLP had no interest in working towards a UI and thus voted SF.  Also they didn't cotton on that Unionist support for the agreement was lukewarm at best and that Trimble & Co only accepted it as the least worst option and had little interest in making it work.

I'd say that was always the case but with Sinn Féin being toxic to most the SDLP was the only other option. Once Sinn Féin came in from the cold the SDLP didn't realign their policies accordingly and that maybe was because they misjudged their electorate and also their unionists bed fellows in that a "shared" entity that was NI was workable.

How wrong were they!

Not sure that many in Sdlp didn't want a UI. I have known several SDLP voters and politicians , who were as passionate about a UI as SF, just that the violence didn't sit well with them , sometimes  due to guidance from the Catholic Church .
Most were prepared to work in making this state as fair and successful as possible, in the knowledge that a UI was inevitable in the long term. A valid viewpoint as they wanted to ensure health education jobs and equality were not neglected as we wait on a UI
This state in its present form seems to be ungovernable, a spirit of generosity from unionism could still secure a strong future for British identity on this Island, but the DUP need to be put to the pin of their collars, as there's only one way to stand up to a bully. Their self obsessed shorttermism needs to be countered at every turn, and only an United equality agenda can do that . SDLP have an opportunity to lead that in terms of ethos if not numbers, but they are doing a disservice to that cause by tarring SF with the same brush as DUP. SF for their part need to put more meat on the bones of how they see a new ireland. Focussing on partnership with equality colleagues, and avoiding winding up middle of the road unionism is the key, in my opinion.

If they did then the party leaders hid those aims well for many's a year.

The SDLP were correct that getting equality in Education, Jobs, health are indeed day to day more important, but at the same time the nationalist electorate were beginning to make it clear that a UI needed to be on the table, the SDLP seemed to be more interested in keeping the middle ground and aspirations for a UI have only come to the fore in the last 10 years or so when the damage is done.
They were also banking on Unionism meeting them in that middle ground and that didn't happen.

They needed new blood with something to offer and that's a bit lacking at the minute.

In saying that the new offerings from Sinn Féin don't really instill much confidence either.

[johnnycool]

The 26 counties, though not perfect , is an example to northern nationalism in dealing with the past.

I'd like to come back with a more detailed analysis of your post later if I get the time, but for now, the line above really does need to be called out as sheer and utter BS.

Consider the treatment of Martin McGuinness in his presidential election run, and then try to tell me that the 26 counties is an example in dealing with the past. There is a substantial population south of the border with minimal understanding of the conflict (having learned about it via the medium of a Section 31 state censored media) who are as vindictive and bitter opponents of Irish Republicanism as any north Antrim TUV voter. The DUP agreed to enter powersharing with SF almost 2 decades ago. To this day, FF and FG still for the most part publically maintain that "SFs past" makes them "unsuitable" to enter government with. Of course, they will insist on unionists sharing power with them in the north. Utter hypocrites.

The Southern establishment really do fear a resurgent Sinn Féin having a big say in the Dáil and will do almost anything to get in the way of that.

The hypocrisy from FF and FG is laughable but doesn't get called out in the media who're their lackies anyway.
By and large the Southern media fed the 26 counties population a very one sided view of the troubles.

Tubridy getting handed his arse back to him by Gerry Adams was a case in point;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIlTtudovPM

[haranguerer]

I suspect those days are over and climb downs are imminent (if disguised) - SF will be needed in the south in the near future. New leadership now means they can perhaps do it saving as much face as possible from their previous ludicrous positions.

[Insane Bolt]

The 26 counties, though not perfect , is an example to northern nationalism in dealing with the past.

I'd like to come back with a more detailed analysis of your post later if I get the time, but for now, the line above really does need to be called out as sheer and utter BS.

Consider the treatment of Martin McGuinness in his presidential election run, and then try to tell me that the 26 counties is an example in dealing with the past. There is a substantial population south of the border with minimal understanding of the conflict (having learned about it via the medium of a Section 31 state censored media) who are as vindictive and bitter opponents of Irish Republicanism as any north Antrim TUV voter. The DUP agreed to enter powersharing with SF almost 2 decades ago. To this day, FF and FG still for the most part publically maintain that "SFs past" makes them "unsuitable" to enter government with. Of course, they will insist on unionists sharing power with them in the north. Utter hypocrites.

In 1998 at the assembly elections SF were the 4th.....yes 4th largest party, behind SDLP, UUP, DUP. John  Hume topped the polls followed by Trimble, Paisley and then Adams. It would seem that anyone who opposes SF (especially those who are Nationalists) are according to you 'vindictive and bitter'.
Many people from all sides lost loved ones, so they have every right to feel bitter.
Now answer this.....is Gerry Adams a hypocrite? After all he wasn't in the IRA, he was a founder member of the Civil Rights Movement, and he protected his paedopile brother. If that's not hypocrisy then I give up.

In my post anumber of pages back about the Gerry Adams documentary, I specifically noted that of all the opponents of Adams to contribute to the documentary, Mallon was the ONLY one to come across as bitter and twisted. If you are going to make a personal attack on me, at least ground it in fact.

As for the rest of your post, I'm at an absolute loss as to what point you're trying to make.

Personal attack? Where? Nice deflection, now is Gerry a hypocrite or not? Simple yes or no.

[Rossfan]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/the-leftists-are-well-and-truly-triggered-councillor-responds-to-criticism-of-racist-famine-tweet-36872946.html

[AQMP]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/the-leftists-are-well-and-truly-triggered-councillor-responds-to-criticism-of-racist-famine-tweet-36872946.html

Bunting is a head case.  She was thrown out of the TUV, even Jim Allister couldn't have her!

[GJL]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/the-leftists-are-well-and-truly-triggered-councillor-responds-to-criticism-of-racist-famine-tweet-36872946.html

Bunting is a head case.  She was thrown out of the TUV, even Jim Allister couldn't have her!

yet she gets enough votes to sit on a council! 

[Insane Bolt]

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/news/the-leftists-are-well-and-truly-triggered-councillor-responds-to-criticism-of-racist-famine-tweet-36872946.html

Her Queen's English is good 😜

[6th sam]

The 26 counties, though not perfect , is an example to northern nationalism in dealing with the past.

I'd like to come back with a more detailed analysis of your post later if I get the time, but for now, the line above really does need to be called out as sheer and utter BS.

Consider the treatment of Martin McGuinness in his presidential election run, and then try to tell me that the 26 counties is an example in dealing with the past. There is a substantial population south of the border with minimal understanding of the conflict (having learned about it via the medium of a Section 31 state censored media) who are as vindictive and bitter opponents of Irish Republicanism as any north Antrim TUV voter. The DUP agreed to enter powersharing with SF almost 2 decades ago. To this day, FF and FG still for the most part publically maintain that "SFs past" makes them "unsuitable" to enter government with. Of course, they will insist on unionists sharing power with them in the north. Utter hypocrites.

You're emphasising the point I'm trying to make. The attitude from the southern establishment (Ff/Fg) and media towards SF is hypocritical. Especially  since their attitude to each other since the foundation of the state has been as political rivals, and despite their origins from the civil war, they proved they could put those differences behind them . In the more recent conflict , SDLP and more so the southern establishment and media , continue to treat SF as pariahs , presumably because they feel it is party politically advantageous for them to denigrate SF.
As a result of this pArty political approach , they dilute the equality agenda which 85% of this Island would buy in to , and let the DUP dinosaurs off the hook time and again, they should hang their heads in shame!

[Insane Bolt]

Teflon Arlene on this morning Andrew Marr show....should be good😩

[Insane Bolt]

Minus the crown brooch too..

[Avondhu star]

The 26 counties, though not perfect , is an example to northern nationalism in dealing with the past.

I'd like to come back with a more detailed analysis of your post later if I get the time, but for now, the line above really does need to be called out as sheer and utter BS.

Consider the treatment of Martin McGuinness in his presidential election run, and then try to tell me that the 26 counties is an example in dealing with the past. There is a substantial population south of the border with minimal understanding of the conflict (having learned about it via the medium of a Section 31 state censored media) who are as vindictive and bitter opponents of Irish Republicanism as any north Antrim TUV voter. The DUP agreed to enter powersharing with SF almost 2 decades ago. To this day, FF and FG still for the most part publically maintain that "SFs past" makes them "unsuitable" to enter government with. Of course, they will insist on unionists sharing power with them in the north. Utter hypocrites.

You're emphasising the point I'm trying to make. The attitude from the southern establishment (Ff/Fg) and media towards SF is hypocritical. Especially  since their attitude to each other since the foundation of the state has been as political rivals, and despite their origins from the civil war, they proved they could put those differences behind them . In the more recent conflict , SDLP and more so the southern establishment and media , continue to treat SF as pariahs , presumably because they feel it is party politically advantageous for them to denigrate SF.
As a result of this pArty political approach , they dilute the equality agenda which 85% of this Island would buy in to , and let the DUP dinosaurs off the hook time and again, they should hang their heads in shame!

All political parties North and South are the same. They will take whatever action is necessary to suit their agenda and don't try and tell us Sinn Fein is better or worse than the rest. At local level in the Republic all parties cooperate and support each other in the council chamber andSinn Fein are as good at this as anyone else.
Sinn Fein refused to cooperate in the formation of a Government at the last election saying that they would not enter Government as a junior party. Now they see that FF and FG could freeze them out  by having the Confidence and Supply arrangement with whichever of the two that has the highest number of seats calling the shots (no pun intended).
In any case SFs high tax, magic beans economic policy and make believe socialism will be shown up again at the next election by the big parties and the hard left P.B.P.