The ulster rugby trial

[gallsman]

Is a civil case a possibility?

That had crossed my mind as well. If they're found not guilty, not sure anyone would want to go through it again.

[Dinny Breen]

I heard both players are gone regardless and PJ is gone to Exeter. Also heard that there will be a civil case.

[Walter Cronc]

I think if I were the marketing manager of Kingspan or Kukri I wouldn't want a top shagging spit roasting heavy drinker running around with my company's name across his chest.

Not to mention one of the hundreds (thousands?) of season ticket holders who bring their children to games.

Sports fans are fickle though Rois.
A bit of success and a lot of your past is forgiven

Yeah there is no way Ulster Rugby would take a significant medium to long-term hit on taking them back. The top shagger v evangelical Christian make-up of the team would be problematic but I'm sure their lifestyle choices were well known to each other.

Think this myth has kind of been dispelled., was led up by the SA connection which has waned.

Yeah think thats a bit of a myth. Only ones I know of are Trimble and I think Henderson.

[brokencrossbar1]

Is a civil case a possibility?

That had crossed my mind as well. If they're found not guilty, not sure anyone would want to go through it again.

It is but lack of anonymity may dissuade it happening. Also there are financial risks of running a Litigation case

[Walter Cronc]

I heard both players are gone regardless and PJ is gone to Exeter. Also heard that there will be a civil case.

A real family club also in the Irish province type ethos. Would be interesting!

[GetOverTheBar]

I heard both players are gone regardless and PJ is gone to Exeter. Also heard that there will be a civil case.

Maybe not anymore, Exeter have signed Cuthbert since - he wouldn't be cheap.

[omagh_gael]

On a wider note, if the girl didn't consent to a certain element of the sexual interaction, for example Olding joining in, yet felt powerless/'froze' due to the trauma of the situation and as a result didn't scream or shout out. How does the male/s in the situation understand that the initial consent has been withdrawn and therefore stop the sexual contact?

I'm in no way victim blaming here just making the observation that the (absolutely true) 'froze in fear' trauma of the victim may be extremely hard/impossible to interpret by the 'aggressor' in cases like this.

[Dinny Breen]

I heard both players are gone regardless and PJ is gone to Exeter. Also heard that there will be a civil case.

Maybe not anymore, Exeter have signed Cuthbert since - he wouldn't be cheap.

They see him as Steenson's replacement, Cuthbert is a decent signing but his form is woeful.

[Taylor]

This is all assuming they are innocent off course.

What is the usual length of jail time if found guilty?

[Hound]

If people think the "Top Shagger" stuff doesn't also go on in Leinster and Munster, they'd be very naive. Probably Ireland's best player in the 6N was involved in a Munster 3some that was very high profile on social media. BOD was supposed to be quite the playboy before he settled down. Lots of stories about other players too. Money, youth, fame and some of them even have looks, "Top shaggers", one night stands and after-boasting must be absolutely prolific

(I'd say even the Connacht lads get the odd score  )

[GetOverTheBar]

If people think the "Top Shagger" stuff doesn't also go on in Leinster and Munster, they'd be very naive. Probably Ireland's best player in the 6N was involved in a Munster 3some that was very high profile on social media. BOD was supposed to be quite the playboy before he settled down. Lots of stories about other players too. Money, youth, fame and some of them even have looks, "Top shaggers", one night stands and after-boasting must be absolutely prolific

(I'd say even the Connacht lads get the odd score  )

It goes on at any micro level lads, lets be honest. Some of the young lads in our team after we won a Championship not so long ago were transformed into minor celebs in the local area. Not saying it was anything like this case, but you can see how things get out of hand.

[Milltown Row2]

If people think the "Top Shagger" stuff doesn't also go on in Leinster and Munster, they'd be very naive. Probably Ireland's best player in the 6N was involved in a Munster 3some that was very high profile on social media. BOD was supposed to be quite the playboy before he settled down. Lots of stories about other players too. Money, youth, fame and some of them even have looks, "Top shaggers", one night stands and after-boasting must be absolutely prolific

(I'd say even the Connacht lads get the odd score  )

It goes on at any micro level lads, lets be honest. Some of the young lads in our team after we won a Championship not so long ago were transformed into minor celebs in the local area. Not saying it was anything like this case, but you can see how things get out of hand.

Even the Kilkenny club hurling team were hiring strippers for their team 

[Syferus]

If people think the "Top Shagger" stuff doesn't also go on in Leinster and Munster, they'd be very naive. Probably Ireland's best player in the 6N was involved in a Munster 3some that was very high profile on social media. BOD was supposed to be quite the playboy before he settled down. Lots of stories about other players too. Money, youth, fame and some of them even have looks, "Top shaggers", one night stands and after-boasting must be absolutely prolific

(I'd say even the Connacht lads get the odd score  )

Stockdale was hardly involved in a 'Munster threesome'.

By the way, there's a big difference between a threesome and a gang rape..

[Milltown Row2]

If people think the "Top Shagger" stuff doesn't also go on in Leinster and Munster, they'd be very naive. Probably Ireland's best player in the 6N was involved in a Munster 3some that was very high profile on social media. BOD was supposed to be quite the playboy before he settled down. Lots of stories about other players too. Money, youth, fame and some of them even have looks, "Top shaggers", one night stands and after-boasting must be absolutely prolific

(I'd say even the Connacht lads get the odd score  )

Stockdale was hardly involved in a 'Munster threesome'.

By the way, there's a big difference between a threesome and a gang rape..

Thats for the jury to decide i think

[GetOverTheBar]

I heard both players are gone regardless and PJ is gone to Exeter. Also heard that there will be a civil case.

Maybe not anymore, Exeter have signed Cuthbert since - he wouldn't be cheap.

They see him as Steenson's replacement, Cuthbert is a decent signing but his form is woeful.

Steenson back 'home' as a replacement, would be interesting.

Cuthbert has been woeful since the previous Lions tour, but still shows the occasional glimpse of genius that gets him by. There's still a hell of a player there though at 27