Ladies football

[Captain Obvious]

Better team won however no team should be allowed to win or lose All Ireland final like that. No debate it has to be replayed.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.

This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.

Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.

I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it  needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.

I agree with everything you said there.

[Hill16 Blues]

Women's GAA is crap.

The pace of the games is incredibly slow, the fitness isn't very good, the skills are awful - the players find it difficult to solo the ball, they can't shoot, they keep dropping the ball. Players more often than not panic when in possession. They don't appear to have much tactical nous or spatial awareness you regularly see passes aimed at where the target recipient is rather than the position they should be expected to run into. Women's GAA players do not train just as hard as men, and it shows, so let's stop hearing that they do.

The coverage of the games is also incredibly patronising - it's similar to what you get for the Paralympics - pretty much no criticism is ever allowed of either camogie or women's Gaelic football and "the standard" is always praised, even if it's really, really bad, as it was today, and constant references are made to how much the games are "growing".

The camogie and women's football associations themselves are painted as forward thinking even though ridiculous situations often crop up on their watch, like in the camogie last year when they changed the rules to have a play-off and then made Dublin play the next day (possibly two days, can't remember for sure) after winning the play-off.

The countdown clock is a really poor system, is far too open to time wasting and rewards cynical fouls towards the end of the game.

That point that was given as a wide today was farcical. Why was HawkEye not used?

Until the coverage stops being patronising and brushing the poor standard under the carpet women's GAA cannot expect to be taken in any way seriously as proper sport.

Women's tennis, gymnastics, athletics and probably a few other individual sports can be taken seriously. Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".

Obviously there's always going to be a massive gap between it and men's hurling and football but what's on show year after year is undoubtedly a poor product compared to what it could be.

Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.

That's politically correct nonsense.  The standard was and is dreadful. You can deny it all you want but lots of effort and running doesn't equal ability to kick the ball, pass the ball, make good decisions around when and where to pass the ball and most of all be able to kick the bloody ball over the bar from 20m out unchallenged.

34k people turning up to watch & scream incessantly whether it's wide or a score or whatever doesn't make it a good standard either. Just confirms they have done very well to market the game particularly to kids.

[Zulu]

Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.

This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.

Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.

I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it  needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.

I agree with everything you said there.

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with men claiming the earth is flat.

[sid waddell]

The reason given for the non-use of HawkEye was that it "hasn't been passed at the Congress".

So, why not?

HawkEye has been in use in Croke Park since the 2013 championships. It's no longer a new innovation and the LGFA cannot say they were not aware of it. They've had ample time to make it part of their game and no real reason for not doing so.

Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle is dead right when he says the non use of HawkEye is an equality issue. As I said, the LGFA are painted as being "forward thinking" but this is a clear example of where they have let down their players.

If nothing else comes out of Dublin's last minute penalty, at least it surely means the LGFA and the Camogie Association will be embarrassed into using HawkEye at the finals next year.

[Zulu]

Women's GAA is crap.

The pace of the games is incredibly slow, the fitness isn't very good, the skills are awful - the players find it difficult to solo the ball, they can't shoot, they keep dropping the ball. Players more often than not panic when in possession. They don't appear to have much tactical nous or spatial awareness you regularly see passes aimed at where the target recipient is rather than the position they should be expected to run into. Women's GAA players do not train just as hard as men, and it shows, so let's stop hearing that they do.

The coverage of the games is also incredibly patronising - it's similar to what you get for the Paralympics - pretty much no criticism is ever allowed of either camogie or women's Gaelic football and "the standard" is always praised, even if it's really, really bad, as it was today, and constant references are made to how much the games are "growing".

The camogie and women's football associations themselves are painted as forward thinking even though ridiculous situations often crop up on their watch, like in the camogie last year when they changed the rules to have a play-off and then made Dublin play the next day (possibly two days, can't remember for sure) after winning the play-off.

The countdown clock is a really poor system, is far too open to time wasting and rewards cynical fouls towards the end of the game.

That point that was given as a wide today was farcical. Why was HawkEye not used?

Until the coverage stops being patronising and brushing the poor standard under the carpet women's GAA cannot expect to be taken in any way seriously as proper sport.

Women's tennis, gymnastics, athletics and probably a few other individual sports can be taken seriously. Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".

Obviously there's always going to be a massive gap between it and men's hurling and football but what's on show year after year is undoubtedly a poor product compared to what it could be.

Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.

That's politically correct nonsense.  The standard was and is dreadful. You can deny it all you want but lots of effort and running doesn't equal ability to kick the ball, pass the ball, make good decisions around when and where to pass the ball and most of all be able to kick the bloody ball over the bar from 20m out unchallenged.

34k people turning up to watch & scream incessantly whether it's wide or a score or whatever doesn't make it a good standard either. Just confirms they have done very well to market the game particularly to kids.

Spare me the PC nonsense. Did you watch all three games? If you did you'd know there were some very fine scores today and I seem to recall your own Johnny Cooper missing a shot from about 25 yards out in front of the posts last Sunday and he wasn't the only Dub to do it. You don't have to search hard for some pretty pathetic shooting in the men's game either. And as for this -

You can deny it all you want but lots of effort and running doesn't equal ability to kick the ball, pass the ball, make good decisions around when and where to pass the ball and most of all be able to kick the bloody ball over the bar from 20m out unchallenged.

Christ that could be the slogan for the men's game in recent times.

[Zulu]

The reason given for the non-use of HawkEye was that it "hasn't been passed at the Congress".

So, why not?

HawkEye has been in use in Croke Park since the 2013 championships. It's no longer a new innovation and the LGFA cannot say they were not aware of it. They've had ample time to make it part of their game and no real reason for not doing so.

Dublin manager Gregory McGonigle is dead right when he says the non use of HawkEye is an equality issue. As I said, the LGFA are painted as being "forward thinking" but this is a clear example of where they have let down their players.

If nothing else comes out of Dublin's last minute penalty, at least it surely means the LGFA and the Camogie Association will be embarrassed into using HawkEye at the finals next year.

An entirely different issue but the point was fairly clear anyway so the issue is how two lads in good positions both missed it. Nevertheless HE should be introduced.

[sid waddell]

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.

Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.

Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.

Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.

I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.

This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.

Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.

I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it  needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.

I agree with everything you said there.

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.

You seem to be one with his head buried in the sand about the state of ladies football.

Tiddling 20 yard frees with a size 4 ball into the keepers hands is embarrassing.

[Zulu]

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.

Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.

Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.

Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.

I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.

The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.

The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.

Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.

Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.

Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.

I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.

The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.

The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.

Huge physicality???

I can't actually tell if you are on the wind up here.

[Zulu]

Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.

This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.

Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.

I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it  needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.

I agree with everything you said there.

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.

You seem to be one with his head buried in the sand about the state of ladies football.

Tiddling 20 yard frees with a size 4 ball into the keepers hands is embarrassing.

Nope but feel free to console yourself with the delusion that if you think something it must be right. Again I wouldn't have to check hard for some fairly embarrassing efforts on goal by Tyrone but we don't seem to claim our men's representatives can't play the game.

The ladies game is a stand alone sport and measured as that it is a very good one. But lads if you don't like it don't watch it. I think soccer is the most boring non-entity of sport on Gods green earth and as such I just don't watch it very often. You can do the same with ladies football if you like.

[Zulu]

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.

Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.

Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.

Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.

I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.

The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.

The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.

Huge physicality???

I can't actually tell if you are on the wind up here.

Huge physicality yes. Again unless you are comparing it to the men's game then it is very right to say that when there were girls throwing themselves into tackles and contests for the ball.

[Hill16 Blues]

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

On page 2 here you were saying that the standard was poor, now you're saying otherwise.

Anybody who watched the game will know that the standard was poor. Terrible shooting, poor passing, poor handling skills, lack of composure of players in possession.

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.

Dublin tanked early in the second half as they did last year when leading by a large margin.

Cork were poor and basically stuck in the game due to Dublin's poor shooting. They have the cuteness and know how to win games but they are a shadow of even previous Cork teams.

I don't believe the standard now has advanced much, if at all since Waterford and Monaghan were contesting these games in the mid to late 90s.

The quality of the senior game in tough conditions wasn't brilliant like the men's game last weekend but both were compelling contests with huge physicality. If you read the post you quoted you'd see I said it was excellent at times across the three games.

The standard has improved dramatically since then that's not even up for debate I'd have thought.

The standard regardless of comparison to men's, boys or whatever is poor. If you think otherwise and are happy to watch it, pay into games or whatever, well knock yourself out.

[Il Bomber Destro]

Well that's the greatest load of bollocks written on here for quite some time, you should be proud of yourself. There's so much rubbish in your post that I haven't the time to respond to it bit by bit but suffice to say that there was some great football played at CP today and whatever about the quality of the last game there was huge physicality and athleticism shown by both teams.

This kind of stuff is typical of the patronising nonsense you hear so regularly during coverage, and it does the games themselves no good at all, as they can never improve if people take such an attitude.

Either treat the sport seriously and recognise that it is far below the standard it could be, or admit that you're treating it pretty much as a sporting charity case.

I prefer to treat the games seriously - the standard today was awful and if women's GAA is to ever advance it  needs to do without the ridiculous, paranoid attitude which tolerates no criticism of the standard.

I agree with everything you said there.

Utter nonsense. The standard was excellent at times with some great scores across the three games. The tackling and physicality in the senior game was brilliant. It's comparing apples and oranges to compare men's and women's sports but taken as a stand alone sport ladies football is a tremendous sport and to say the skills are awful is pure rubbish or that -

Team sports like hockey and basketball have women's games that can be taken seriously. Even a physical sport like rugby (certainly the 7s at the Olympics and the last 15 a side World Cup) contains players who look like genuine athletes with genuine skill. These sports have women that can reasonably be called elite. Women's GAA contains neither proper athletes nor proper skill. It's miles away from being able to call itself "elite".

- is complete nonsense. Many ladies IC footballers have played international soccer, basketball or rugby so clearly their fitness and ball skills are at an elite level. I shouldn't even be engaging with lads like ye on this as it's like arguing with a men claiming the earth is flat.

You seem to be one with his head buried in the sand about the state of ladies football.

Tiddling 20 yard frees with a size 4 ball into the keepers hands is embarrassing.

Nope but feel free to console yourself with the delusion that if you think something it must be right. Again I wouldn't have to check hard for some fairly embarrassing efforts on goal by Tyrone but we don't seem to claim our men's representatives can't play the game.

The ladies game is a stand alone sport and measured as that it is a very good one. But lads if you don't like it don't watch it. I think soccer is the most boring non-entity of sport on Gods green earth and as such I just don't watch it very often. You can do the same with ladies football if you like.

You not liking soccer probably shows you up a philistine.

You bigging up the standard of ladies gaelic football and the "huge physicality" in it probably shows you up as a raving lunatic.