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I fair say i know alot more about the cold war than you, Americas paranoid on communism is well documented. maybe if you didn't put Nuclear weapons sites in turkey leading to the Cuban missile crisis the cold war mightn't have kicked off. Am surprised you know, since most Americans seem stuck back in 1791, in a way alot like Northen Ireland half them are still stuck back with King Billy in 1690

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes


I'm sure the 80-100 M people who died under communist dictatorships would respectfully disagree with you

And the millions slaughtered under by U.S. Forces and capitalist banana republics would disagree with you ya f**king idiot.

LOL-Stalin, Mao , Pol Pot. US doesn't hold a candle to them. Someone must have stolen the history books out of your bag my friend.

FFS it took 3 yanks to stop the gunman on the train last week while the French train guards hid in their booth

My Cold War history is a little sketchy Whitey.. Remind me... Was America intervening in countries to stop genocide taking place? Because I dont think they bothered with any of those ones you mentioned above, in fact the last one you mentioned, I believe they created the conditions for it.

Your also forgetting the French guy who decided to remain anonymous on that train in France

[amounts to "it's a difficult issue to confront, so let's not even bother"]

Listen lads if you think its your business, or if your opinion (which you are completely entitled to BTW) makes any odds to Americans' opinions, or the laws their government creates, your sadly mistaken.

Whats more, if your opinion had any weight it would likely be viewed negatively and get people's back up even more.

The gun culture in America is nuts of course, but remember your looking at it from your own perspective.

I'll harp back again to the thing of individualism, its a lot stronger in America than it is in Ireland where people tend to look at their community and country as more of a collective. So in America, if you tell one guy with guns that is doing no harm to anyone, that you are gonna take his guns away because someone else done something bad, he will not understand it. He really literally wouldn't understand or get that it is for the greater good. Whereas in Ireland I think that there is be more of an acceptance of "takin one for the team" or whatever.

That of course only deals with individuals opinions tho, which despite the facade of democracy is actually irrelevant to the laws. The real reason there is no gun control in America is because the lobby groups have so many politicians in their pockets.

Anyway since getting rid of the guns unfortunately appears to be off the table, debating it to death is futile and only causes more division. A more productive approach might be to float some alternative solutions to America's societal problems.

If you think that any of us are under any impression that our opinions make any odds to the laws of the United States, then you are sadly mistaken.

If you dont that's fine but Armaghniac's post would appear to directly contradict that.

You appear to be under the impression that 99.9% of Americans support the Saturdays quo on guns and again, despite living there, you are sadly mistaken.

Why do I appear to be under that impression? I never said anything of the sort

Your point about the futility on the debate of the issues is pathetic and amounts to "it's a difficult issue to confront, so let's not even bother". If more people thought like that blacks would still be picking cotton under slavery, women wouldn't be allowed vote, Catholics couldn't get jobs and Mandela would have died in prison. Embarrassing.

No it doesnt amount to that, the guns issue is confronted over and over again and goes nowhere and there appears to be no clear route to dealing with it sanely. There are multiple reasons for violence in American society, the most weighting in my opinion would be wealth disparity, individualism and lack of community, all of which I would rate ahead of gun availability, but none of those have even been floated as a root cause in the mainstream debate.

BTW if you keep it on topic you'll probably be less embarrassed and feel less pathetic

As far as the match goes it was a stinker but the last 10mins were great. The most well worn cliche about Mayo and their forwards losing them matches was almost proven yet again. Its strange as they seem to have some great forwards other times of the year. I mentioned previously about the quality of Mark Ronaldson but there seems to be a whole raft of reasons not to put him on.

Mayo's scoring from play is an issue but then it leads on nicely to the next problem... Dublin's defending, how could it have been so bad? Where these guys overated to begin with or where they just to keyed up? For their two corner backs at least the latter is true,  they should have both got the line as they had zero intention of playing any football. It was kind of C Hughes and Paul Finlay in the q.final all over again.

The refereeing was poor again, thought both penalties were questionable, Dublin's maybe not inside and Mayo's maybe was not a foul. M D McAuley and O'Sullivan's black cards were the wrong way around, few handy frees esp for Mayo, but then Dublins tackling had been so terrible u nearly couldn't blame him there.

Havent seen a clear shot of the Connolly Keegan incident yet but if he laid a punch in he had to go. Its just a pity that he has that streak in him because he is a class footballer, his point in the first half was outstanding. Didnt notice the McMahon headbutt at the time but looks bad too, should have walked, will likely get a retrospective ban. Coopers tackle very bad, shoulda walked. COC's swinging arm was just that, an accidental collision, it was hard luck on ROC as these things happen sometimes if you caught a certain way, the skin can just split.


Despite all of that I didn't think Dublin were all that dirty, the 2 CBs were in the wrong frame of mind for the match which was disappointing and Connolly had a rush of blood to the head but apart from that the most disappointing thing that for me was where they actually appeared to be playing for the draw at the end.

Some amount of shite talked here tho hardly surprising, but even with that said its worth trailing through the lot of it for some hilarious comments. Indiana's bloopers are becoming compulsory reading at this point.

Listen lads if you think its your business, or if your opinion (which you are completely entitled to BTW) makes any odds to Americans' opinions, or the laws their government creates, your sadly mistaken.

Whats more, if your opinion had any weight it would likely be viewed negatively and get people's back up even more.

The gun culture in America is nuts of course, but remember your looking at it from your own perspective.

I'll harp back again to the thing of individualism, its a lot stronger in America than it is in Ireland where people tend to look at their community and country as more of a collective. So in America, if you tell one guy with guns that is doing no harm to anyone, that you are gonna take his guns away because someone else done something bad, he will not understand it. He really literally wouldn't understand or get that it is for the greater good. Whereas in Ireland I think that there is be more of an acceptance of "takin one for the team" or whatever.

That of course only deals with individuals opinions tho, which despite the facade of democracy is actually irrelevant to the laws. The real reason there is no gun control in America is because the lobby groups have so many politicians in their pockets.

Anyway since getting rid of the guns unfortunately appears to be off the table, debating it to death is futile and only causes more division. A more productive approach might be to float some alternative solutions to America's societal problems.

Is the attention given to American gun culture disproportionate?
From the most recent UN data (see below url), the U.S. is some 25% below the world average homicide per capita rate, and in 2012, Mexico had almost twice the number of total murders.
Should Brazil (50k murders in 2012) be the focus of the international community instead? Or Honduras, where you're 20 times more likely to be murdered than the U.S.?

I'm not intending in any way to undermine recent events, and my views on gun control are probably in line with the excellent Australian comedian Hardy posted a link to previously.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I think your right there big Quinno. Far to much obsessing about it by the media of foreign countries when it has no affect on them whatsoever. Ultimately its no one else's business but Americans

The flip side of that is of course that thanks to American media and mass immigration from many different parts of the world we all know about America and think we understand it quite well. But then we actually don't, precisely for that reason that their are so many cultures and so many different starting points that people have came from to arrive at the present. Yet non-Americans have no problem casting judgement on those people looking at it purely from their own background, values and point of view. Indeed you could maybe even argue that is the problem in America itself, that people are more and more only focused on their own point of view and dismiss any1 differing from them as a total craicpot.

I've travelled a fair bit in vastly different cultures to Western, and something that I have to learn over and over again is to not to make judgement about other cultures based on my own values. You'll either go insane or get lynched! Americans (and a good deal of Irish too for that matter) love getting in a fuss over Saudi Arabia and their human rights. But few people have any understanding of Saudi culture, their way of life, values or history. Or perhaps more importantly, the fact that what happens in Saudi Arabia has virtually no affect on their own lives.  Yet, they have no problem in casting judgement on it as being the epitome of barbarism.

They're pretty accurate to be fair.

All..... apart from Meath

And Down

They're pretty accurate to be fair.

All..... apart from Meath

The Yank on Matt Cooper lost the plot this evening.

Started talking along the lines of  'this is our United States of America and guns are our freedom. People dying is the price you pay for freedom! You people don't understand and to be honest you shouldn't concern yourselves with what's going on in our Country!!'

I'm remember the guy Piers Morgan had on his show a few years ago... It was pretty ridiculous the guy basically wouldn't engage at all ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XZvMwcluEg

Jesus! That is mental. The guy is completely nuts. If anything he is showing exactly why there needs to be more gun control and checks on people's mental health before the get a gun. He has 50 of them!

Thats feckin hilarious, reminds me why the TV in our house only gets a run out of about 3 hrs a week, eejits like that are on all the time.

I was kind of impressed by yer man actually, he appeared to be quite articulate, was able to refer to a bunch of facts, and all the while appearing to be in a blind rage which he sustained for an incredible length of time. And he threw in a great impression at the end! Seem like he'd be quare craic in the pub, obviously you'd only pint with him in a place that had metal detectors on the door tho.

Serves Morgan right tho, in his arrogance he thought he was going to have a debate with yer man and instead got the full on hairdryer treatment. If every tabloid journalist got a touch of that every week the world would be a better place!

[For me Ronaldson is untested at this level]

If we can get at Cluxton's kickouts I think we can get on top in midfield. Also I don't think we can allow them to score more than one goal as they will get about 14 or 15 points. Achieve these two things and I think we scrape by with a point or two to spare. Two very big if's though and we will need the perfect performance for 1 to 20 to win.My big fear is outside of Andy our subs especially the forward subs will need to contribute handsomely to see us through which was a big failing in 2013.
Always enjoy the pints after with the Dubs , win lose or draw so. They are great football men and women in fairness to them. I do miss the pints in Parnell Park on a dark Feb/Mar evening before and after a league game though !!

Alan Dillon, Alan Freeman, Mark Ronaldson,  Andy Moran

For me Andy as of yet is the only nailed on impact sub we have. Freeman is a streaky player so when he is hot like the semi in 2013 he is unmarkable but when he is not he contributes very little. Dillion has not shown any real form this year in the championship and looked very laboured when he came on in the Connacht final. For me Ronaldson is untested at this level and hasn't yat shown that he can change a game of this pressure in our favour when it is down to the wire off the bench.
Now that's just my opinion and I truely hope Mark , Alan and Freezer throw these thoughts right back in my face by burying the Dubs challenge off the bench on Sunday but outside of Andy we just haven't see that so far!!

Where has he been? I mind about 5-6 years ago in the league, he came up to Omagh and kinda destroyed us on his own.

Its only this year (maybe last? as well?) that i have seen him again.

Was he out? injured or what?

James Horan happened

That's the way. Some managers just don't fancy some players. Sometimes they don't fit a system. Sometimes they don't fit the philosophy of the manager. Sometimes there are just not needed. It can be a tough gig.

Not making any accusations but James Horan came there was 3/4 Shrule boys there within a year there was none, I heard there was something for him when he became manager and he was going speaking in Shrule and there wasn't a big deal  apparently afterwards he wasn't happy, coincidencental but still

Ah its true his disappearance would coincide his regin alright
Seem nuts tho cos from what I seen of him that day in Omagh. He was hitting them over from crazy places.

I found this report from one of your fellow supporters.
http://mayogaablog.com/?p=4495#comments
Entertaining, I remember the schmoozel at the end to, sounds like yis were messing around, getting men sent off and being cynical to see out the game! 
Bit of that on Sunday if yis are up would do the trick nicely.

[For me Ronaldson is untested at this level]

If we can get at Cluxton's kickouts I think we can get on top in midfield. Also I don't think we can allow them to score more than one goal as they will get about 14 or 15 points. Achieve these two things and I think we scrape by with a point or two to spare. Two very big if's though and we will need the perfect performance for 1 to 20 to win.My big fear is outside of Andy our subs especially the forward subs will need to contribute handsomely to see us through which was a big failing in 2013.
Always enjoy the pints after with the Dubs , win lose or draw so. They are great football men and women in fairness to them. I do miss the pints in Parnell Park on a dark Feb/Mar evening before and after a league game though !!

Alan Dillon, Alan Freeman, Mark Ronaldson,  Andy Moran

For me Andy as of yet is the only nailed on impact sub we have. Freeman is a streaky player so when he is hot like the semi in 2013 he is unmarkable but when he is not he contributes very little. Dillion has not shown any real form this year in the championship and looked very laboured when he came on in the Connacht final. For me Ronaldson is untested at this level and hasn't yat shown that he can change a game of this pressure in our favour when it is down to the wire off the bench.
Now that's just my opinion and I truely hope Mark , Alan and Freezer throw these thoughts right back in my face by burying the Dubs challenge off the bench on Sunday but outside of Andy we just haven't see that so far!!

Where has he been? I mind about 5-6 years ago in the league, he came up to Omagh and kinda destroyed us on his own.

Its only this year (maybe last? as well?) that i have seen him again.

Was he out? injured or what?

Physicality is what wins World Cups, which is why Ireland wont

Which is why the world cup is between NZ England SA and perhaps France if they can get their act together.

[he and his organisation would not be in favour of background checks for gun buyers because, among other things, men aren't background checked for adultery before being given a marriage license]

I heard that guy on Newstalk. He started off all sweetness and (twisted) logic but he gradually started losing it as the interviewer asked tougher questions. When he was asked if he thought there would be fewer mass killings if there were fewer guns available, he started ranting about the interviewer wanting to impose his standards and had to be reminded that the interviewer had only asked a question.

He finished off by saying that he and his organisation would not be in favour of background checks for gun buyers because, among other things, men aren't background checked for adultery before being given a marriage license. The interviewer didn't get to ask him how many people had been killed in mass marriages in the last year.

;DWhat an eejit

Nearly as bad as comparing feigning injury to genocide, eh Hardy

You gotta laugh tho at radio shows getting these eejits on for a bit of stupidity so that we can all have a good chuckle at them.

A majority of Americans like having guns, and like playing with them, legally and safely it must be said. But at the end of the day, thats what it all boils down to. The silly arguments that are spun for keeping them are just a justification of that fact.

They dont see it as worth the sacrifice to give them up, its as much to do with the rise of individualism as anything else. "Why should I do...x, y, z, just because he did....x,y,z"

All the songs and chants kinda remind me of the ladies football here. Someone should put forward a rule at congress that it should be compulsory to have an accordion player on your team

Seriously tho great to see football expanding organically beyond these shores and fellas gettin enjoyment outta the game. What kinda numbers of clubs are we talking in France?

Is that no. of mass shootings Gab? Or no. of deaths from them?