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General discussion / Re: The Gender Pay Gap
« on: January 13, 2018, 06:54:44 PM »
The gender gap in hollywood. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html

Mark Wahlberg 'refused to sign off on Christopher Plummer replacing Kevin Spacey in All the Money in the World until he was paid $1 million' for the reshoot. 

For tne actress it was.It is now being reported that Wahlberg was paid $1.5million for the 10-day shoot while Williams made just $80-a-day, according to Jessica Chastain
That would add up to $800 at the end of the 10-day shoot, which is 0.05 % the salary her co-star made for his work on the film

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5260215/Mark-Wahlberg-paid-1-5M-Michelle-Williams-800.html#ixzz545GnOV8F
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You would be pissed off too.

Part of the problem is nobody knows who Michelle Williams is?

A list actor gets paid more than Z list actress shock horror.

Ironically enough Michelle Williams suffered from "PC quotas" at last year's oscars

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 13, 2018, 12:11:28 AM »
...yes they get that along with all the other crap that they don't want newborns to get?
You don't think that corporations who's unabashed goal to increase their bottom line would affect their willingness to ply the population with something that might have adverse side affects? Their track record would suggest otherwise.

Are we talking about the entirety of the pharma industry here, or the flu vaccine?

I was listening to a doctor on the radio there, the best plan was to be born in the mid 60s, as the new flu came along on 1968 and if you were first exposed to it when a child you have some longterm immunity.

We are talking about the primary motivations behind providing these products to the public by a profit making entity and their track record.

It is an off shoot of my primary concern tho which is with injecting a chemical cocktail that was cooked up last week into my body that no one knows the side effects off and whether I as a healthy young low risk individual would most likely be better off risking acquiring the flu naturally.

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General discussion / Re: Sinn Fein? They have gone away, you know.
« on: January 12, 2018, 06:31:20 AM »
Dunmanway killings were done by the anti treaty IRA for a start.
Secondly they believed they had evidence that many of those killed had been active in anti Volunteer activities and had been informing British soldiers and Auxiliaries of volunteer activities etc.
I am not aware of either Fianna FŠil , founded 1926/7 or Fine Gael, founded 1934 killing civilians deliberately or accidently.

The RIC were armed combatants in a War,
The Gardai were unarmed and we're mown down by Provos who if they were true Republicans would not have been militarily active in the 26 Cos.

You're not aware of FG and FF having gunmen and their dynasties who were leading figures in the IRA being elected members of their party.

I hope you keep engaging with me. Anti-treaty IRA (Fianna Fail) and Pro-treay IRA (Fine Gael) have plenty of blood on their hands, there was no truth and reconciliation for the Irish Civil War which cost hundreds of civilian lives in your state, mindless bloodshed with the combatants holding the highest offices of power in the land - but these killers were ok - it's just the ones up North where your contention lie with?

For once why can't you show us you are genuine and face down your own state's shameless bloody past?

I think that's the part that the likes of Rossfan can't understand. He doesn't understand the loyalty that the majority of Catholics in the North have towards the members of SF. Alot of them men literally laid down their lives trying to secure an equality that we now have. Consider someone like Gerry Kelly or even McGuinness. Both live or lived among the people. The people of the North respect them for two reasons:
1. When there was dirty work to be done and defending to be done they led the line.
2. Even now when there's less dirty work to be done, Gerry Kelly is being driven on top of a landrover as ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE.

Then we have people saying that Bomber is a SF bot. He's not. He's just calling out the hypocrites on their blind eye policy. If Collins and De Valera, had fought with the brit establishment to give up the West instead of the North, I reckon we would have had a completely different outcome, those in the West would be happy to lie down and have everything they stood for denounced. So forgive me or Bomber or anyone else if we don't jump on the ''Bash Barry'' bus. For all you non believers about McElduff, drive to Carrickmore for a Championship game and you will find him there with his luminous green Carmen top on among his people, and the people don't forget that ( as opposed to as was suggested earlier that the people of West Tyrone don't know any better.)

I suggest that you just let it go Bomber, these Free Staters just don't get it.

thats reason enuff to bash Barry for me

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 12, 2018, 04:24:53 AM »
TBH Puck I think that alot of people are concerns about the effect of the vaccine on their bodies... why do infants not get them when their born but its ok in utero. But the prospect of big business making money is a concern for the motivation also.

Infants in utero get the antibodies from their mother.
People are concerned with big business, but many of these seem less worried about big business in regard to the Iphone they use to post nonsense.
...yes they get that along with all the other crap that they don't want newborns to get?
You don't think that corporations who's unabashed goal to increase their bottom line would affect their willingness to ply the population with something that might have adverse side affects? Their track record would suggest otherwise.

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 11, 2018, 09:03:56 PM »
Joe,

If you read the PNAS article and then read the NBC (not fake news) article, you can see how they've butchered the material and you don't need to go beyond the second sentence to find this...

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Flu viruses mutate every year and it turns out the methods used to make flu vaccines cause them to mutate even more, the researchers found.

First half, correct. Second half, misleading. Yes the Flu virus mutates every year. Yes, the methods used to make flu vaccines leave the flu vaccine itself open to mutation. That vaccine is open to mutation based on how it is grown in the egg system. The flu vaccine does not cause the flu virus that we are susceptible to, to mutate. The avian egg growth system may cause the flu virus in the vaccine, to mutate. Huge difference, but it can lead to issues in efficacy. There is considerable research efforts to finding another vaccine systems that reduce the % probability of antigenic mismatches between vaccine virus and circulating virius - but the egg system is stable, and fully equipped to do the job. The virus just has the ability to outsmart it sometimes. The same virus has the ability to outsmart us, and continually find ways to mutate and adapt.

Big Pharma is involved in the manufacture process of flu vaccine and this is another reason that the enlightened public can trend so heavily against it. Big Pharma is bad... etc, but that's another topic. GSK, Sanofi Pasteur and Novartis are the 3 main players (smaller companies don't get involved in the manufacture and sale of the flu vaccine of the year - primarily due to the scale of manufacture needed in the short time span window).

Public Health Agencies and funded research labs (think universities, CDC etc) examine the strains from each hemisphere which has a different flu season and are able to work on predictive models based on strains that are found in the opposing hemisphere in their respective flu season. From this the PHAs provide seed strains to the main pharmaceutical companies who either have in house regulated manufacturing capabilities (a rare and no mean feat feature of a pharmaceutical company), or a strong relationship with a Contract Manufacturing System who is on alert to produce the quantities needed to match the demand. Each vaccine is usually comprised of 3-4 strains, 4 being the most recent successful flu development. There are models actively being researched to find a universal vaccine which is efficacious independent of strain. Timelines projected for this around 8-10 years.

Drug development is an insanely complex logistical challenge. Supply chain, release and stability data and the drug passport considerations that are required to accompany any product designed for human use - on top of the proof of concept and R&D work that precedes any human designed manufacture is mind blowing in its enormity.

I actually did reread after because I was thinking how do the virus mutate if they don't reproduce (which isnt strictly true either I found out) and seen that it was the process of making the vaccine that causes the mutations in the vaccine.
A good example of how the flu, or any DNA or is susceptible to mutation depending on the environment. But I suppose its defo less susceptible to mutation that a bacterial disease, which is what I originally thought.

That will be interesting to see how the generic flu vaccine turns out.

TBH Puck I think that a lot of people have concerns about the effect of the vaccine on their bodies... why do infants not get them when their born but its ok in utero? But the prospect of big business making money is a concern for the motivation also.

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 11, 2018, 09:00:36 PM »
like all science and m#nedicence you have a choice who to belive
on one hand there the vast bulk of medical opinion who have spent edecades studying and peer reviewing and having work peer review getting  vaccines passed as being fit for purpose . allof who studies are in the public domain to be analyzed and criticized by anyone   
and on the other you have a few outliers doctors and academics Quacks Ayurvedists,  Biofield therapist , Bioelectromagnetic therapist , shamens and reiki healers , Naturopaths , acupuncturists madmen.women,holistics , charlatans Holistics , homeopaths , and others who advocate cures that are  disproven, unproven, impossible to prove, or are excessively harmful in relation to their effect; and where the scientific consensus is that the therapy does not, or cannot, work because the known laws of nature are violated by its basic claims; or where it is considered so much worse than conventional treatment that it would be unethical to offer as treatment.

I know who I choose to belive

It's a real head-shaker is that this simple fact has to be reiterated at all. But worse still is the fact that there is a frighteningly large cohort of people on whom it has no effect whatsoever.

In England, people voted for Brexit to get back at the "experts".

What is also frightening is the willingness of people to follow blindly and refuse to question when they dont fully understand

Medicine is a practice not a science what it administers to you by someone who practises medicine does not always work as intended, in a way if its science then you are the experiment.

To lump all dissenters together as loonies whose opinion should be disregarded may make you feel better but it does not make you right.

An appeal to majority or authority does not mean your right either.

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 11, 2018, 08:58:33 PM »
Examples:

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a jab will only give immunity only for a short period even for the same strain


That page explains how a vaccine creates antibodies which permanently reside in the body. Similar to how they are created by actually getting the illness, without getting the illness of course.

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Therefore it would be a non starter for the flu considering the hit and miss ratio of getting the correct strain

There's no hit and miss ratio. It's very clear what strains are covered by the flu vaccine. I've mentioned it a few times on this thread. A vaccine cannot be developed for a mutation that might happen......it will always be playing a catch up game unless the virus stops mutating.

Short period was in reference relative to acquiring immunity through natural infection ... you will have much longer and more robust protection from being infected naturally

That is the hit and miss ratio! The dominant strains in a season v the strains in the jab

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 11, 2018, 05:42:29 AM »
Omaghjoe - I wasn't having a go at you at all. I suggest you read up on how vaccines work. I know from reading your posts that you don't understand how they work. Try this page for example https://www.vaccines.gov/basics/work/prevention/index.html

Fair enough I'll take your word for it although what I said still stands for anyone who is voicing genuine concerns and suddenly they become Jim Corr

AS I said b4 I know practically nothing about vaccines but there is nothing on that link I didnt know, its very basic stuff. What post in particular would lead you to believe that I didnt understand the info on that page? Or better still tell me what in particular that I am wrong about? I have an open mind on this and willing to learn.

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 11, 2018, 05:39:07 AM »

So my concerns are similar with the flu vaccine. IMO PPM or not of chemicals is of no consequence as it goes straight into your blood stream without being diluted or broken down by the bacteria or enzymes in your gut. Not to mention that it changes every year so there is no real understanding of how it affects the body.


Quite a lot of things pass through your gut without being broken down by bacteria or enzymes. If the vaccine was administered via ingestion it would alay very few of your concerns.
Precisely alot of crap in processed food is shat out wereas with a jab  it goes to every organ in your body before the liver gets to work on it. A good example of the difference would be what would happen if I injected a halfun of bushmills v drinking it?


Also I should clarify that i meant by making your immune system weaker.... is that by getting the flu and beating it naturally will leave your immune system stronger for longer than with a flu shot. Which only equates into an annual dependency on the flu shot.


Not strictly true. As previously stated the influenza virus mutates often and immune challenge to one influenza strain provides very little persistent immunity. This also counters your annual dependency argument, you're dependent on annual vaccination because the influenza strain is mutating not because you never had a natural challenge.
Don't think your right there, a jab will only give immunity only for a short period even for the same strain where as you have lifelong immunity from the same strain and increased immunity from similar strains. In fact it could be argued that the jab is causing increased rates of mutation so making the seasonal flu deadlier.


As far as herd immunity goes tho, doeskin that need to be at higher than 90% to be effective


It varies from pathogen to pathogen depending upon their mode of transmission, latency, existence outside the host and other factors. It is usually fairly high but it is not a consistent number across various infectious agents.

Therefore it would be a non starter for the flu considering the hit and miss ratio of getting the correct strain

1. Thereís no huge difference in terms of organs visited when you ingest a whisky than with injection of one. Ethanol is absorbed into the blood from the gut and travels to all your organs just the same as if you had injected it directly to your blood stream. The only true difference would be the bioavailability. I donít think youíre getting this.

2. How can a vaccine cause increased rates of mutation in a virus?

1. Maybe alchohol was a bad example but my point remains that anything injected directly into the bloodstream has more of an effect than something digested.

2. I was only was aware of a brief news article on this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/here-s-one-reason-flu-vaccines-are-so-lousy-they-n818046
NBC are fake news tho so here's the study from experts who know nothing.
http://www.pnas.org/content/114/47/12578.short

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 10, 2018, 08:35:02 PM »

So my concerns are similar with the flu vaccine. IMO PPM or not of chemicals is of no consequence as it goes straight into your blood stream without being diluted or broken down by the bacteria or enzymes in your gut. Not to mention that it changes every year so there is no real understanding of how it affects the body.


Quite a lot of things pass through your gut without being broken down by bacteria or enzymes. If the vaccine was administered via ingestion it would alay very few of your concerns.
Precisely alot of crap in processed food is shat out wereas with a jab  it goes to every organ in your body before the liver gets to work on it. A good example of the difference would be what would happen if I injected a halfun of bushmills v drinking it?


Also I should clarify that i meant by making your immune system weaker.... is that by getting the flu and beating it naturally will leave your immune system stronger for longer than with a flu shot. Which only equates into an annual dependency on the flu shot.


Not strictly true. As previously stated the influenza virus mutates often and immune challenge to one influenza strain provides very little persistent immunity. This also counters your annual dependency argument, you're dependent on annual vaccination because the influenza strain is mutating not because you never had a natural challenge.
Don't think your right there, a jab will only give immunity only for a short period even for the same strain where as you have lifelong immunity from the same strain and increased immunity from similar strains. In fact it could be argued that the jab is causing increased rates of mutation so making the seasonal flu deadlier.


As far as herd immunity goes tho, doeskin that need to be at higher than 90% to be effective


It varies from pathogen to pathogen depending upon their mode of transmission, latency, existence outside the host and other factors. It is usually fairly high but it is not a consistent number across various infectious agents.

Therefore it would be a non starter for the flu considering the hit and miss ratio of getting the correct strain

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 10, 2018, 08:21:34 PM »
The effects of a  flu vaccine are only observed on flu vaxxed people and afaics those claims for positive effects are extremely dubious and exhibit some of the worst of bad science and dogma.

There is bad science and dogma, but it is not coming from those advocating the vaccine.


Nail on the head.

All science is questioned and if it doesn't stand up it's found out. There's no conspiracy here. Anti-vaccer is similar to climate change denial - ignore the mountains of good, proven, peer reviewed science and tell about what happened to Mary down the road.....

Who said anything about a conspiracy?

One way to deal with concerns or tough questions is to label those asking them as loonies. All my weans are update with vaccinations with the exception of the seasonal flu jab so if that makes me a climate change denier Ill ride with that f**k it sure throw me in with the flat earthers too if it makes you feel better ::)

Guilt by association may be enough to scare some people away from asking them but the questions will remain.
Its a decent tactic tho as the majority will follow the herd (pardon the pun) but the concerns will persist from the dissenters.

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 09, 2018, 07:51:52 PM »
Puck you obviously know what youíre on about here and admittedly I know sweet FA about the vaccine and in a way I suppose thats my biggest worry. But I also dont believe that medical science knows that much about its side effects either.
To put this in context I avoid processed foods like the plague for my family as I inherently think their affects are far too complex to be known with current science especially on the digestive, immune and endocrine systems. The complexity is caused by linking the substances in processed foods, to how our body processes them to some other symptom. Factor in an almost infinite set of variables and you could safely safe it will never be understood unless roughly speaking through epidemiology but this never deals with individual cause and affects. Anyway Net result is since we dont know I avoid processed foods.
So my concerns are similar with the flu vaccine. IMO PPM or not of chemicals is of no consequence as it goes straight into your blood stream without being diluted or broken down by the bacteria or enzymes in your gut. Not to mention that it changes every year so there is no real understanding of how it affects the body
MY concerns with medical professionalsí attitude to it are typified by the attitude to pregnant women. The advice for them is to get it and get it quick, which is fair enough they are higher risk to flu. Excpet... when you consider the advice on practically all other types of medicine is to avoid it because they are not sure of the effects on an unborn child. Some of these are drugs that are decades old and they donít know the effect but sure here take this cocktail of chemicals that we cooked up last month!

Also I should clarify that i meant by making your immune system weaker.... is that bygetting the flu and beating it naturally will leave your immune system stronger for longer than with a flu shot. Which only equates into an annual dependency on the flu shot

As far as herd immunity goes tho, doesnt that need to be at higher than 90% to be effective

All of the above is my opinion so sorry i it comes across as "matter of fact" and I'm open to correction at any point.

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General discussion / Re: Aussie Flu
« on: January 09, 2018, 06:23:03 AM »
At the risk of being thrown in the dungeon as an antivaxer..... Ive a few questions

Is there any good reason for not getting a flu shot?
Is there any point to putting a load of chemicals, preservatives and other crap into my body that I probably wont need?
Do medical professionals play it save and use the law of averages for the population when dealing with individuals and thereby declare that pretty much everyone should get it.
Am I making my immune system weaker in the long term?

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Tyrone / Re: Tyrone Club Football and Hurling
« on: January 08, 2018, 08:32:18 PM »
Terrible news News altogether
RIP

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General discussion / Re: Facebook - a penny for your thoughts.......
« on: December 28, 2017, 11:20:51 PM »
 
Your Presuming that the government will use personal information to turn the government into some sort of police state has no precedent in western democracy or at least is very far from the norm.
Most if not all branches of government  In Western democracies are democratically accountable in some shape or form, corporations aren't

Now Im no fan of governments even democraically elected ones but their end goal is to run a harmonious and properous society.
Id far rather them have my info than the likes of google or facebook, they can and are using it to manipulate you to relieve you of your time & money to enhance their bottom line.

The government has likely more info and interfers much less on the whole for majority of its citizens.

If you think the case with the i phone and FBI was anything other than a PR exercise by apple to portray themselves as protector of your personal info data then your gravely mistaken. But going by your stance it looks like they've been successful in gaining your trust to unload more and more of your info onto them.

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