I see a few players have opted out of County football for 2020.
Gary Brennan - Clare
Jamie Malone also of Clare
Kieran Martin Westmeath
Michael Quinlivan Tipperary
Ben Mccormack Kildare
Dara Mcveety Cavan
Conor McAliskey - Tyrone
Many others?
Matt Fitzpatrick- Antrim
Mark Griffin - Kerry
Darren O'Malley
Colm Lavin
Colin Compton
Fintan Cregg possibly retiring.
May be 1 or 2 others.
Danny Cummins (Galway) - Going travelling
There will be more retirements, opting out and not accepting a call to inter-county panels.
There are quite a few counties in Intercounty Limbo.
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 17, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
There will be more retirements, opting out and not accepting a call to inter-county panels.
There are quite a few counties in Intercounty Limbo.
I fear players opting out will significantly increase for counties that will be partaking in Tommy Murphy cup mark 2 next summer.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 17, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
There will be more retirements, opting out and not accepting a call to inter-county panels.
There are quite a few counties in Intercounty Limbo.
I fear players opting out will significantly increase for counties that will be partaking in Tommy Murphy cup mark 2 next summer.
I'd think the opposite - the odds of teams getting two bad hammerings in the championship are reduced, there is a chance of more games against teams of similar ability and a chance to win something.
Why do you think the number of players opting out will increase ?
And they have a chance of playing on TV and in Croke Park.
A Leitrim or Wicklow had no chance of being live on TV, unless they reached a Provincial final.
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Quote from: From the Bunker on November 17, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
There will be more retirements, opting out and not accepting a call to inter-county panels.
There are quite a few counties in Intercounty Limbo.
I fear players opting out will significantly increase for counties that will be partaking in Tommy Murphy cup mark 2 next summer.
I'd think the opposite - the odds of teams getting two bad hammerings in the championship are reduced, there is a chance of more games against teams of similar ability and a chance to win something.
Why do you think the number of players opting out will increase ?
Focus their efforts more with clubs or head overseas. The league is already the competition in place for the "lesser" teams of similar ability to play each other and win or gain promotion.
I think something more intriguing needs to be place for the summer to make these long winter nights of training a little bit shorter.
The League for all its good points is a preseason competition all over by the 13th weekend of the year.
Football teams both club and county should play the bulk of their games between 1 April and 30 September.
Even if the magic wand could be found to make that happen you'd still have bucks opting out as we are talking Amateur sport.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 17, 2019, 08:34:47 PM
And they have a chance of playing on TV and in Croke Park.
A Leitrim or Wicklow had no chance of being live on TV, unless they reached a Provincial final.
Will they be on TV? The rights deal with RTE and Sky hasn't been renegotiated so some tier one games will have to be dropped from t.v. to show tier two games.
It was said the Semi finals and Final would be on TV,tbc Its an incentive for Counties to reach a Semi Final. Wicklow and Leitrim proposed the idea of second tier, so it was probaly that Counties would get some TV coverage too.
Because they weren't aiming for much coverage in the Qualifiers.
Some of them got 45 seconds highlights ::)
Quote from: From the Bunker on November 17, 2019, 08:00:15 PM
There will be more retirements, opting out and not accepting a call to inter-county panels.
There are quite a few counties in Intercounty Limbo.
But the championship is so open. Anyone could win it.
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 17, 2019, 09:21:06 PM
It was said the Semi finals and Final would be on TV,tbc Its an incentive for Counties to reach a Semi Final. Wicklow and Leitrim proposed the idea of second tier, so it was probaly that Counties would get some TV coverage too.
Because they weren't aiming for much coverage in the Qualifiers.
No Horan said that
hopefully they would be on, and sure there was the "text" from McBennett that the Congress delegates were told about in case too many were unwilling to believe the Croke Park propaganda.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 16, 2019, 02:10:41 PM
Darren O'Malley
Colm Lavin
Colin Compton
Fintan Cregg possibly retiring.
May be 1 or 2 others.
Diarmuid Murtagh
This TV coverage thing is really a red herring. Most of the counties that wiull be impacted by tier 2 get 60 second tops for their qualifier games unless they're "lucky" enough to draw one of the big guns whereupon their hammering will be shown in greater detail. RTE GAA coverage and the TV rights deal are awful. They need fixing and I'm hopeful that that will happen.
Unlike hurling, every team starts off in the same competition. If you're in the lower divisions of the league and you don't make your provincial final, it's fair to surmise that you're not an All-Ireland contender. Why bother with the charade of the qualifiers when you can have a competition that you've a chance of winning? I really don't get the opposition to this.
I would say so too with the tv thing and the red herring. Variously teams get on tv and get a hammering. I doubt players want to do that.
I would say outside the top four or five there is quite a lot of drop offs and definitely way more than there used to be. There's just too much commitment for too little reward.
You only have to look round most local threads to see a lot of counties bemoaning the fact various players who could arguably be their best aren't playing.
I think second tier competitions could be successful on a compressed schedule then players could go to states, play club etc. Also they should be incentivised right with winners getting team holidays and stuff.
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Darren O'Malley
Colm Lavin
Colin Compton
Fintan Cregg possibly retiring.
May be 1 or 2 others.
Diarmuid Murtagh
I was hoping that rumour wasnt true :-\
His brother obviously not coming back so I take it?
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Darren O'Malley
Colm Lavin
Colin Compton
Fintan Cregg possibly retiring.
May be 1 or 2 others.
Diarmuid Murtagh
I was hoping that rumour wasnt true :-\
His brother obviously not coming back so I take it?
As of now neither will be involved next year unless Anthony can change their minds. Ciaran plans on going to Boston again next summer and Diarmuid just wants a break after a number of injury plagued years. Wouldnt surprise me if Diarmuid followed Ciaran across the water for the summer.
Graham Reilly, Mickey Burke, Marcus Brennan, Darragh McGovern, Thomas McGovern and Sean Curran won't be involved with Meath in 2020 for various reasons.
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Quote from: Rossfan on November 16, 2019, 02:10:41 PM
Darren O'Malley
Colm Lavin
Colin Compton
Fintan Cregg possibly retiring.
May be 1 or 2 others.
Diarmuid Murtagh
I was hoping that rumour wasnt true :-\
His brother obviously not coming back so I take it?
As of now neither will be involved next year unless Anthony can change their minds. Ciaran plans on going to Boston again next summer and Diarmuid just wants a break after a number of injury plagued years. Wouldnt surprise me if Diarmuid followed Ciaran across the water for the summer.
The loss of players/forwards of that quality can't be underestimated. Agurably Roscommon would have reached the All Ireland semi final if Ciarán Murtagh was available this year and might not have won the Connacht final back in June without Diarmuid Murtagh. Which new or newish forward is capable of making an impact like Conor Cox did this summer?
Quote from: thejuice on November 18, 2019, 02:00:42 PM
Graham Reilly, Mickey Burke, Marcus Brennan, Darragh McGovern, Thomas McGovern and Sean Curran won't be involved with Meath in 2020 for various reasons.
Surprised those two didn't stick around after finally getting back to division 1 but I suppose life gets in the way sometimes.
A few returnees to County football next year, Daniel Flynn with Kildare and Ciaran Sheehan back training with Cork, after being in Australia for the past 3 or 4 years.
I'd say Odhran McNeilis will be back with Donegal next year too.
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Graham Reilly, Mickey Burke, Marcus Brennan, Darragh McGovern, Thomas McGovern and Sean Curran won't be involved with Meath in 2020 for various reasons.
Surprised those two didn't stick around after finally getting back to division 1 but I suppose life gets in the way sometimes.
Reilly has been on the senior panel since 2007 (at 17yrs old) and he wasn't getting as much game time this year despite putting in a lot of work. He struggled to make an impact against the top teams this year and not as much as both I'd say he and Andy would have hoped. There was talk that he walked away after the Donegal S8 game but I don't know if that's true. It's a strange one with Graham because he carried us for a few years and often our only consistently creative player but yet things never really happened for him either. Not much silverware and no big scalps taken.
Burke has been around since 2004 but managed to stay a regular on the first team until McEntee took charge.
Mickey Burke, honest as the day is long, always came across as a good egg.
Quote from: imtommygunn on November 15, 2019, 07:35:18 PM
Matt Fitzpatrick- Antrim
Playing Soccerball with Coleraine it seems.
Are there many GAA players in Irish league these days? What's the big attraction? Apart from personal preference, is it less strenuous training/lifestyle? I don't see the big draw for an inter county player to pack it in to go and play against a bunch of shite teams in places like Larne and carrick. And coleraine 🤮
I'd imagine the training load wouldn't be as intense as the game isn't as fast paced. Prob more chance of winning also as 3 or 4 new decent players can be drafted into a soccer team. And depending on the team you could make a few quid too.
Plus if players are good enough, they can jump in between and switch as they want so missing a year of GAA isn't as big a deal.
eh... wages?
Less training (x2 a week if you are even lucky, x1 will be a tactical session), your GAA background will mean you are fitter than the average footballer (at that level), set fixtures, less emphasis on gym workout, money....
If you are lucky enough to have the technique it's probably a no brainer.
Add in you'll receive less abuse also to the above.
Yeah surely it's the wages. I suspect that less successful counties would have less dropoff to sports like soccer.
I could be wrong but now that Reilly and Burke are retired there are no more current players outside Dublin with a Leinster medal. Unless Ross Munnelly is going to play for Laois next year?
Quote from: thejuice on November 22, 2019, 07:09:34 PM
I could be wrong but now that Reilly and Burke are retired there are no more current players outside Dublin with a Leinster medal. Unless Ross Munnelly is going to play for Laois next year?
Are Brian Farrell and Conor Gillespie both done with it?
Done a while. Gillespie had to quit County football 3 or 4 years ago because of knee trouble.
Farrell would be 35?
Quote from: rodney trotter on November 25, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
Done a while. Gillespie had to quit County football 3 or 4 years ago because of knee trouble.
Farrell would be 35?
Ah I thought Gillespie would be coming back. That's a pity.
I must be mixing Farrell up with someone else. Corner forward who played a fair bit at 11 this year.
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Done a while. Gillespie had to quit County football 3 or 4 years ago because of knee trouble.
Farrell would be 35?
Ah I thought Gillespie would be coming back. That's a pity.
I must be mixing Farrell up with someone else. Corner forward who played a fair bit at 11 this year.
Bryan McMahon?
Killian Clarke, Dara McVeety & Conor Moynagh not part of the Cavan squad this year.
Massive misses for Cavan, they could struggle this year.
Quote from: toby47 on November 27, 2019, 07:40:24 AM
Killian Clarke, Dara McVeety & Conor Moynagh not part of the Cavan squad this year.
Massive misses for Cavan, they could struggle this year.
I am afraid the Cavan Jersey doesn't mean enough to our boys. You'd think after getting to an Ulster final they'd push on but no they dont want to do what is required.
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Killian Clarke, Dara McVeety & Conor Moynagh not part of the Cavan squad this year.
Massive misses for Cavan, they could struggle this year.
I am afraid the Cavan Jersey doesn't mean enough to our boys. You'd think after getting to an Ulster final they'd push on but no they dont want to do what is required.
Are they going travelling?
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Killian Clarke, Dara McVeety & Conor Moynagh not part of the Cavan squad this year.
Massive misses for Cavan, they could struggle this year.
I am afraid the Cavan Jersey doesn't mean enough to our boys. You'd think after getting to an Ulster final they'd push on but no they dont want to do what is required.
Are they going travelling?
Moynagh is going travelling, McVeety is for Australia & Clarke quoted below
"I've been involved nine years at this stage," the 26-year-old said. "It's a decision I didn't come to lightly. I want to take a bit of time to myself and evaluate what my life is going to be.
"I heard there were rumours that I had a falling out with management but that's not the case at all. I just fell out of love with the game a wee bit to be honest. I wasn't enjoying it."
He added: "I just want time to concentrate on myself, to look after number one for a change instead of putting football first like I have done for the last eight or nine years."I find the comment above rash enough - 'I am afraid the Cavan Jersey doesn't mean enough to our boys'
Boys have a life outside of football too, if you anyone read Ronan McNamee's article in the Irish News it isn't always plain sailing. County football brings about it's own pressures & players have to do what is right for them, not for the supporters.
I'm sure there are a few in every County who just get fed up to the back teeth with it.
Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2019, 10:01:16 AM
I'm sure there are a few in every County who just get fed up to the back teeth with it.
I was told Derry are training Saturday & Sunday, Tuesday 6am then Tuesday night, Thursday 6am and Thursday night.
This is from the last month-6 weeks!
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I'm sure there are a few in every County who just get fed up to the back teeth with it.
I was told Derry are training Saturday & Sunday, Tuesday 6am then Tuesday night, Thursday 6am and Thursday night.
This is from the last month-6 weeks!
Yeah that's true, how anyone can stick that I do not know
Quote from: screenexile on November 27, 2019, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2019, 10:01:16 AM
I'm sure there are a few in every County who just get fed up to the back teeth with it.
I was told Derry are training Saturday & Sunday, Tuesday 6am then Tuesday night, Thursday 6am and Thursday night.
This is from the last month-6 weeks!
That's crazy - how fit can these lads get? Surely come May, they'll be burnt out. Not to mind fed up with it all.
Are these management teams/coaches etc. being paid by session or week or month?
Quote from: screenexile on November 27, 2019, 11:11:19 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on November 27, 2019, 10:01:16 AM
I'm sure there are a few in every County who just get fed up to the back teeth with it.
I was told Derry are training Saturday & Sunday, Tuesday 6am then Tuesday night, Thursday 6am and Thursday night.
This is from the last month-6 weeks!
Derry in fairness would need that sort of training.
Trying to escape the B Championship? ;D
I hear our lads have a fairly hectic schedule for these few weeks too.
Meath were doing similar from October last year, same again this year. I honestly don't know how they do it. Especially when you could see how far off they were in the last 8 in the last Qtr of games.
Quote from: marty34 on November 27, 2019, 11:35:35 AM
Quote from: screenexile on November 27, 2019, 11:11:19 AM
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I'm sure there are a few in every County who just get fed up to the back teeth with it.
I was told Derry are training Saturday & Sunday, Tuesday 6am then Tuesday night, Thursday 6am and Thursday night.
This is from the last month-6 weeks!
That's crazy - how fit can these lads get? Surely come May, they'll be burnt out. Not to mind fed up with it all.
Are these management teams/coaches etc. being paid by session or week or month?
Looks like Derry are putting most of their focus on league promotion. Of course promotion means they will avoid the Tommy Murphy cup but they are unlikely to have much left in the tank for this summers championship.
On Clarke or indeed any player that has given years of service to their county and decides to take a year out you really can't be critical of them Even Jack McCaffrey took a year out and came back agurably a better player from it.
Laois are going to be with out this year's captain Stephen Attride who is taking a year out to work in New Zealand (I think) and the Kingston brothers, Donie and Paul.
You can add Thomas Galligan, Cian Mackey, Conor Rehill to the list of cavan players not committing this year. I feel sorry for Mickey Graham, he may worked a miracle with Mullinaeachta but seems getting Cavan players to commit requires an even bigger miracle.
Quote from: The PRO on December 23, 2019, 01:24:26 PM
Laois are going to be with out this year's captain Stephen Attride who is taking a year out to work in New Zealand (I think) and the Kingston brothers, Donie and Paul.
I know of a few more from last year team Not Putting there names forward this year
Pity, it took us so long to get back up to div 2, Now it look like we will be going straight down again. [sad]
I wonder is that the reason why SURGUE left us,
Quote from: Itchy on December 23, 2019, 04:35:50 PM
You can add Thomas Galligan, Cian Mackey, Conor Rehill to the list of cavan players not committing this year. I feel sorry for Mickey Graham, he may worked a miracle with Mullinaeachta but seems getting Cavan players to commit requires an even bigger miracle.
The commitment can not be justified.
What must be frustrating for Mickey Graham and Cavan is that they made some good progress last year. They were a lot more competitive in Div 1 than I expected and made an Ulster final.
You'd imagine that they would have all been buying in to next year and trying to keep that going but it's not the case. There's definitely something wrong in Cavan football. I know it can be quite disillusioning for players from counties outside the top 5 or 6 to give that commitment every year but Cavan seem to suffer a lot more with players making themselves unavailable than other counties and it's been happening for a good 7 or 8 years now. Contrast the pride and commitment their neighbours Monaghan show in the jersey and it's night and day.
Corks first choice goal keeper of the last two years Mark White will not be involved next year as he is heading to America.
In the case of Cavan, they have probably made a big push the last couple of years. With mixing it with the Big Boys players probably see how far they are off the mark and relise the huge commitment there is with little or no reward or recognition for their efforts!
Quote from: From the Bunker on December 26, 2019, 04:09:25 PM
In the case of Cavan, they have probably made a big push the last couple of years. With mixing it with the Big Boys players probably see how far they are off the mark and relise the huge commitment there is with little or no reward or recognition for their efforts!
They've always had players missing over the past 7/8 years, I don't think they've had a campaign where they have had all their main men committed.
Angelo you seem to be a man in the know on the Tyrone set up. Is Cathal Mc Shane going to Australia for 2 years or not ?
Quote from: time ticking away on December 26, 2019, 04:38:17 PM
Angelo you seem to be a man in the know on the Tyrone set up. Is Cathal Mc Shane going to Australia for 2 years or not ?
There were comments in the press in the past week from him categorically denying any truth in those rumours so I'd say no.
Quote from: Angelo on December 26, 2019, 08:54:42 PM
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Angelo you seem to be a man in the know on the Tyrone set up. Is Cathal Mc Shane going to Australia for 2 years or not ?
There were comments in the press in the past week from him categorically denying any truth in those rumours so I'd say no.
Ah your only going on the same info as the rest of us. I thought maybe you might have a bit of inside info
Quote from: Angelo on December 26, 2019, 10:33:28 AM
What must be frustrating for Mickey Graham and Cavan is that they made some good progress last year. They were a lot more competitive in Div 1 than I expected and made an Ulster final.
You'd imagine that they would have all been buying in to next year and trying to keep that going but it's not the case. There's definitely something wrong in Cavan football. I know it can be quite disillusioning for players from counties outside the top 5 or 6 to give that commitment every year but Cavan seem to suffer a lot more with players making themselves unavailable than other counties and it's been happening for a good 7 or 8 years now. Contrast the pride and commitment their neighbours Monaghan show in the jersey and it's night and day.
That's it in a nutshell. Cavan arent special, most of their lads away are in dublin, 90 mins away. Yet its clear there is a bigger issue with commitment in cavan than similar sized counties in our locality like Monaghan. There is also a drink culture perpetuated by a few older lads, older lads that if they looked after themselves better they wouldbt be retiring years ahead of time.
Quote from: Blowitupref on December 26, 2019, 03:20:45 PM
Corks first choice goal keeper of the last two years Mark White will not be involved next year as he is heading to America.
Father Buzz Cagney convinced him to up sticks, eh? ;)
Odhran MacNiallais confirmed as skipping county football again this year.
Quote from: J70 on December 30, 2019, 09:17:18 PM
Odhran MacNiallais confirmed as skipping county football again this year.
That's a blow for Bonner. Good player around the middle third. Is he travelling or sticking with club only?
Outside Dublin, Donegal are near the best of the rest, well Kerry above them, they can't afford quality player like that not playing for the county.
Cathal McShane - Tyrone
Quote from: square_ball on January 01, 2020, 11:46:46 PM
Cathal McShane - Tyrone
Rumours were true by the looks of it. http://teamtalkmag.com/2020/01/mcshane-heading-aussie-rules/
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Cathal McShane - Tyrone
Rumours were true by the looks of it. http://teamtalkmag.com/2020/01/mcshane-heading-aussie-rules/
Anybody able to confirm - the article refers to 'a source' but he himself has denied this as recently as 23 December
Its 100% true. Harte is finished and sadly his reign will end in tears. He can put whatever spin he wants on it but things are not good in the background and it will fall to pieces early next year. He has lost players, supporters, clubs, sponsors (apart from his buddies).
Cathal done the right thing. A gentleman and all the best to him. Hopefully we can get him and mc kenna back in 2 years under a new management
Quote from: redhandefender on January 02, 2020, 08:54:52 AM
Its 100% true. Harte is finished and sadly his reign will end in tears. He can put whatever spin he wants on it but things are not good in the background and it will fall to pieces early next year. He has lost players, supporters, clubs, sponsors (apart from his buddies).
Cathal done the right thing. A gentleman and all the best to him. Hopefully we can get him and mc kenna back in 2 years under a new management
Regardless of your feelings towards Harte do you think a new manager will have any impact on either of the players coming back?
McKenna is unproven at club senior never mind county senior surely? I know people some blame Harte for a lot in Tyrone but sometimes it is very hard to see the rationale... McKenna was about 17 when he left. Why would he have left because of Harte??
Good luck to Cathal and any other individuals who head to Aussie Rules.Its a great opportunity to live a professional life style.
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Quote from: redhandefender on January 02, 2020, 08:54:52 AM
Its 100% true. Harte is finished and sadly his reign will end in tears. He can put whatever spin he wants on it but things are not good in the background and it will fall to pieces early next year. He has lost players, supporters, clubs, sponsors (apart from his buddies).
Cathal done the right thing. A gentleman and all the best to him. Hopefully we can get him and mc kenna back in 2 years under a new management
Regardless of your feelings towards Harte do you think a new manager will have any impact on either of the players coming back?
Players generally want to play attacking exciting football. I suspect there isn't too many players in the entire country who would be excited to play in the current Tyrone set up.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 02, 2020, 09:42:20 AM
McKenna is unproven at club senior never mind county senior surely? I know people some blame Harte for a lot in Tyrone but sometimes it is very hard to see the rationale... McKenna was about 17 when he left. Why would he have left because of Harte??
I did not blame harte for mckenna going. But there certainly at the minute is nothing there to entice him back. The entire county knows the whole thing has gone stale and no one wants to work with harte.
A new manager the likes of Logan, Dooher and Canavan could inspire a lot more players, supporters, clubs and sponsors back on board. Are you actually from Tyrone? IF not I would seriously doubt you know what is going on in garvaghey. McKenna would be a fantastic addition as well.
Nobody can blame the lad if he wants he head away. Best of luck to him if he gets selected.
Regarding Tyrone, I don't think his possible departure will have a massive impact on them. Tyrone are going nowhere even with mcshane in their ranks or with a new manager. They would need to unearth 3/4 county forwards (darragh canavan may well be one of them) to have a chance of competing for an all ireland in the next 4/5 years.
They are painful to watch, must be painful to play for and must be painful to support.
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McKenna is unproven at club senior never mind county senior surely? I know people some blame Harte for a lot in Tyrone but sometimes it is very hard to see the rationale... McKenna was about 17 when he left. Why would he have left because of Harte??
I did not blame harte for mckenna going. But there certainly at the minute is nothing there to entice him back. The entire county knows the whole thing has gone stale and no one wants to work with harte.
A new manager the likes of Logan, Dooher and Canavan could inspire a lot more players, supporters, clubs and sponsors back on board. Are you actually from Tyrone? IF not I would seriously doubt you know what is going on in garvaghey. McKenna would be a fantastic addition as well.
Thankfully not ;D
I don't know anything about Garvaghy but sometimes it feels a bit over the top the criticism Harte gets. I would say it is near time he goes but it's all got very personal with him.
I think Tyrone will get a good bit worse if he goes though possibly longer term may get better too.
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 02, 2020, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: redhandefender on January 02, 2020, 10:47:28 AM
Quote from: imtommygunn on January 02, 2020, 09:42:20 AM
McKenna is unproven at club senior never mind county senior surely? I know people some blame Harte for a lot in Tyrone but sometimes it is very hard to see the rationale... McKenna was about 17 when he left. Why would he have left because of Harte??
I did not blame harte for mckenna going. But there certainly at the minute is nothing there to entice him back. The entire county knows the whole thing has gone stale and no one wants to work with harte.
A new manager the likes of Logan, Dooher and Canavan could inspire a lot more players, supporters, clubs and sponsors back on board. Are you actually from Tyrone? IF not I would seriously doubt you know what is going on in garvaghey. McKenna would be a fantastic addition as well.
Thankfully not ;D
I don't know anything about Garvaghy but sometimes it feels a bit over the top the criticism Harte gets. I would say it is near time he goes but it's all got very personal with him.
I think Tyrone will get a good bit worse if he goes though possibly longer term may get better too.
Personal, you really don't know whats going on behind the scenes fella so maybe don't comment on that aspect. There might be a dip but it needs a fresh approach.
Tyrone at the top is rotten to the core at the minute and it all down to hartes power trip. Nothing to say a change of manager wouldn't give the county a huge boost and push them on further.
McShane or McKenna going had absolutely nothing to do with Harte feck sake.
People using this to have a shot at Harte is ridiculous. There are problems no doubt in the set up but these lads have the chance to play ball professionally
Apparently McShane was offered improved financial offer, from what was previously offered. He was a All Star in 2019 and adjusting well to Full Forward, it would probaly would have been a big decision to for him to leave.
The Tyrone posters slating Harte for him going, would want to wise up.
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McKenna is unproven at club senior never mind county senior surely? I know people some blame Harte for a lot in Tyrone but sometimes it is very hard to see the rationale... McKenna was about 17 when he left. Why would he have left because of Harte??
I did not blame harte for mckenna going. But there certainly at the minute is nothing there to entice him back. The entire county knows the whole thing has gone stale and no one wants to work with harte.
A new manager the likes of Logan, Dooher and Canavan could inspire a lot more players, supporters, clubs and sponsors back on board. Are you actually from Tyrone? IF not I would seriously doubt you know what is going on in garvaghey. McKenna would be a fantastic addition as well.
Thankfully not ;D
I don't know anything about Garvaghy but sometimes it feels a bit over the top the criticism Harte gets. I would say it is near time he goes but it's all got very personal with him.
I think Tyrone will get a good bit worse if he goes though possibly longer term may get better too.
Personal, you really don't know whats going on behind the scenes fella so maybe don't comment on that aspect. There might be a dip but it needs a fresh approach.
Ah right sorry. Ok say whatever you like about the man's character etc :o
McShane massive loss to Tyrone. He was turning into a great player. Some of the best movement I'd ever seen in FF.
Not a big Micky Harte fan but I find this conversation odd. To Blame Harte for him going to play professionally yet I see no one giving Harte credit for turning a midfielder into one of the countries best Full Forwards in 12 months?
I agree that anyone blaming Harte on this most likely already has an agenda against him and are just using it as another stick with which to beat him. I say that as no fan of Mickey Harte either. McShane is fairly old to be taking up an entirely new sport and I wouldn't imagine he would be on big money going out initially unless and until he proves that he can adapt to the sport. That said you couldn't blame him for giving it a go, he would probably always regret it if he didn't at least try it. Huge blow for Tyrone county side since they aren't exactly loaded with prolific marksmen.
I don't think anyone is directly blaming harte for Mc Shane leaving but alot of other men have walked too. Peter Donnelly, Stevie o Neill, John devine, Conor Mc aliskey, that's on top of the lads who left last year so definitely a problem with harte and most people in Tyrone know it at this stage.
Once again, see above, harte has absolutely nothing to do with mckenna or mcshane going, AS I HAVE ALREADY SAID! My comment was that we are now in serious serious trouble and mcshane leaving has severly added to a lot of problems harte has created for himself.
Clowns jumping on the last message!
I see some irony in that last post ;D
Quote from: marty34 on December 30, 2019, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 30, 2019, 09:17:18 PM
Odhran MacNiallais confirmed as skipping county football again this year.
That's a blow for Bonner. Good player around the middle third. Is he travelling or sticking with club only?
Don't know to be honest. This will be the third season in four that he has missed in a relatively short intercounty career, so I'd imagine he just hasn't the time or the appetite for the commitment.
Quote from: J70 on January 02, 2020, 04:47:36 PM
Quote from: marty34 on December 30, 2019, 09:25:55 PM
Quote from: J70 on December 30, 2019, 09:17:18 PM
Odhran MacNiallais confirmed as skipping county football again this year.
That's a blow for Bonner. Good player around the middle third. Is he travelling or sticking with club only?
Don't know to be honest. This will be the third season in four that he has missed in a relatively short intercounty career, so I'd imagine he just hasn't the time or the appetite for the commitment.
He's a young guy enjoying the freedom that comes with your 20's. The intensity of training and games from March to September is time sapping when you are with one of the top teams. The dominance of Dublin and their advantages is probably not lost to him either.
With the GAA's National Football League set to commence later this month, a number of counties are contending with the reality of losing a selection of their Gaelic footballers for the year ahead.
An All-Star winner in 2019, it was most recently reported that Tyrone's Cathal McShane will depart the inter-county scene to pursue his chances in the Australian Football League with the Brisbane Lions.
The latest in a long line of GAA stars to embrace the opportunity of playing professional sport in Australia, the allure of the AFL cannot be exclusively held responsible for the departure of a large number of players across the winter months of 2019, however.
From The Dundalk Democrat in Louth to The Clare Echo, regional outlets across the country have reported numerous instances of players opting to depart the county's senior panel for the foreseeable future.
The following is a list of those players who have opted, for one reason or another, not to participate at inter-county level for the year ahead.
Ulster:
Of the four provinces in question, the spread of counties hit by the optional departure of players is certainly widest in Ulster.
With McShane seemingly set to follow Connor McAliksey out of Tyrone, Dara McVeety and Conor Moynagh are opting out of the Cavan panel to go travelling; Killian Clarke and Conor Rehill opting out also.
Odhrán McNiallais (Donegal), Ryan Murray (Antrim) and Stephen O'Hanlon (Monaghan) all similarly look set to miss the year ahead.
Antrim - Ryan Murray (Travelling), Matthew Fitzpatrick (Opted out - Irish Premiership)
Armagh - Ben Crealy*
Cavan - Dara McVeety, Conor Moynagh (Travelling) & Killian Clarke, Conor Rehill (Opted out)*
Donegal - Odhrán MacNiallais (Opted out)
Monaghan - Stephen O'Hanlon (Opted out)
Tyrone - Cathal McShane (AFL)*, Connor McAliskey (Opted out)
GAA
Connacht:
The spread so far appears to be a little thinner in Connacht with only last year's two provincial finalists Galway and Roscommon suffering notable losses.
Galway - Peter Cooke, Danny Cummins (Travelling)
Leitrim - Michael McWeeney (Travelling)*, Jack Heslin, Gary Plunkett, Noel Plunkett, Cathal McCrann (Opted out)
Roscommon - Diarmuid Murtagh (Opted out)*
Munster:
Benji Whelan will have to deal with a serious drop-off in numbers as Waterford contend with the loss of a number of players in Munster. However, the entirety of the county's managers will be faring with different degrees of playing personnel dropping out.
Clare - Jamie Malone, Sean O'Donoghue (Travelling), Gary Brennan (Opted out).
Cork - Mark White (Travelling)
Kerry - Mark Griffin (Travelling)
Limerick - Darragh Treacy, Sean McSweeney (Travelling)
Tipperary - Michael Quinlivan (Travelling)
Waterford - Tadhg ó hUllacháin, Shane Aherne, Tommy Prendergast, Shane Ryan, Jack Mullaney & JJ Hutchinson (Opted out)
Michael Quinlivan
Leinster:
While Kildare welcomes Daniel Flynn back into the fold, they will be without Ben McCormack and Mark Dempsey in 2020.
Laois must contend with losing Donie and Paul Kingston who've opted out for personal reasons, while Stephen Attride has decided to spend the year travelling.
Kildare - Ben McCormack, Mark Dempsey (Opted out)
Laois - Donie & Paul Kingston (Opted out), Stephen Attride (Travelling)
Louth - Andy McDonnell, Jim McEneaney, Anthony Williams & Derek Maguire (Opted out)
Offaly - Peter Cunningham (Opted out - an obligatory tour of duty)
Wexford - Kevin O'Grady, Tiernan Rossiter (Opted out)
A list of almost 40 Gaelic footballers, it is likely that an even greater number have stepped away from the inter-county game over the winter months.
Excluding those young footballers who are pursuing the professional dream in the AFL, such a number comes as perhaps less of a surprise on the back of the recently published second half of an ESRI report sanctioned by the GAA and GPA.
A demonstration of the challenges facing inter-county players, the report highlighted that the primary concern of those performing at the elite level of the GAA fell between the season's excessive length and the time commitments demanded of them.
To what degree this draining of talent will continue as the demands of the inter-county game intensify remains unclear. For the time being, the allure of a life lived on more normal terms has proved to be of greater appeal for some.
Although the very best has been done to accurately determine that the players noted above have departed the inter-county GAA scene for the reasons stated, in certain instances, the presence of an asterisk indicates that it was not possible to entirely establish why they opted out.
What is the asterisk for
The amount of training relative to games is another factor. Whu should players kill themselves training for at least 7 months, especially in the wind,mud and rain in the winter only to have theor season possibly end in june or early july?
If there are any journalists out there I would love to see an analysis on an IC AI winning player from the
50s
60s
70s
80s
90s
00s
10s
Number of sessions, matches and innovations. Basically the evolution of how we have got to where we are
I raised this before but what we ask of inter-county players is madness. It's eating itself up.
did anyone see the luke keany story what a disgrace that this is going all so bunch of managers can feel good about themselves and give it the big look at me in the community. Some gaa clubs have turned into a cult.
Totally agree re: training to games ratio. Mad stuff altogether.
The question is: How fit can lads get?? Surely if they are doing all this/too much training then they are overfit?
Junior soccer and rugby etc. has it right I think: training 2 nights a week with a game at week-end. All these nights in the gym and S&C, even at underage and club level. What's it all for?
The AFL season runs from March to September. 23 games, teams playing home and away.
Though I think they have a long pre season.
Whats the obsession with travelling
Quote from: marty34 on January 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM
Totally agree re: training to games ratio. Mad stuff altogether.
The question is: How fit can lads get?? Surely if they are doing all this/too much training then they are overfit?
Junior soccer and rugby etc. has it right I think: training 2 nights a week with a game at week-end. All these nights in the gym and S&C, even at underage and club level. What's it all for?
The uncomfortable truth is Gaelic football is not all that silky meaning fitness, s&c is where you gain the advantage . Some top rated footballers haven't even the skill set to solo properly nowadays , I cringe when I see the big solo goin up in the air , it's embarrassing.
Quote from: Eire90 on January 03, 2020, 06:39:10 PM
Whats the obsession with travelling
Big world lots of places to see and explore. Travelling has become easier and cheaper to do. Also helps that lads get well looked after when overseas and their mates already there encourage them over.
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Quote from: marty34 on January 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM
Totally agree re: training to games ratio. Mad stuff altogether.
The question is: How fit can lads get?? Surely if they are doing all this/too much training then they are overfit?
Junior soccer and rugby etc. has it right I think: training 2 nights a week with a game at week-end. All these nights in the gym and S&C, even at underage and club level. What's it all for?
The uncomfortable truth is Gaelic football is not all that silky meaning fitness, s&c is where you gain the advantage . Some top rated footballers haven't even the skill set to solo properly nowadays , I cringe when I see the big solo goin up in the air , it's embarrassing.
I agree - too much work on fitness and very little on the basic skills nowadays unfortunately.
If a lad points from 30yards nowadays...it's counted as a long range score!!! Madness.
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Quote from: marty34 on January 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM
Totally agree re: training to games ratio. Mad stuff altogether.
The question is: How fit can lads get?? Surely if they are doing all this/too much training then they are overfit?
Junior soccer and rugby etc. has it right I think: training 2 nights a week with a game at week-end. All these nights in the gym and S&C, even at underage and club level. What's it all for?
The uncomfortable truth is Gaelic football is not all that silky meaning fitness, s&c is where you gain the advantage . Some top rated footballers haven't even the skill set to solo properly nowadays , I cringe when I see the big solo goin up in the air , it's embarrassing.
Genuine question who can't solo? I know MDMA is probably the obvious one in terms of the finesse of his skills but anyone else I see playing at county level is highly skilled.
Tiarnan Mc cann.
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 03, 2020, 09:12:35 PM
Tiarnan Mc cann.
Quality player. But he is one of approx 10 half backs who line out in every match for Tyrone.
Niall Murphy - Sligo. Another to opt out. He played on the International Rules team in 2017.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 03, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
Niall Murphy - Sligo. Another to opt out. He played on the International Rules team in 2017.
I see the re-introduction of the Tommy Murphy cup has played its part in him opting out.
"The tier 2 competition going into existence this year probably was another small little factor behind my decision to walk away. The GPA did surveys of the county teams and the result was a lot of the players were against that new motion.
"There's small things like that that probably play on players' minds. As players, we did vote against it as well and made the county board aware of it, but it came into play and the GAA went ahead with it
At this rate an Opt Out All Ireland will be a better competition than the Official one ::)
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Quote from: larryin89 on January 03, 2020, 06:49:04 PM
Quote from: marty34 on January 03, 2020, 02:57:03 PM
Totally agree re: training to games ratio. Mad stuff altogether.
The question is: How fit can lads get?? Surely if they are doing all this/too much training then they are overfit?
Junior soccer and rugby etc. has it right I think: training 2 nights a week with a game at week-end. All these nights in the gym and S&C, even at underage and club level. What's it all for?
The uncomfortable truth is Gaelic football is not all that silky meaning fitness, s&c is where you gain the advantage . Some top rated footballers haven't even the skill set to solo properly nowadays , I cringe when I see the big solo goin up in the air , it's embarrassing.
Genuine question who can't solo? I know MDMA is probably the obvious one in terms of the finesse of his skills but anyone else I see playing at county level is highly skilled.
I'd agree players nowadays are very skilled, more tuned in tactically and generally more composed in possession but I get the point he is making.
The rules now (or lack of enforcement more apt) have made for a different type of player to excel in the game where size and S&C are more important to natural flair. Back in the day you had 4 steps to beat/trick your man and it took craft and explosive speed. Defending players had to play the ball too and this was a skill in itself. It made for some legendary one on one duels in the game.
Nowadays players with the ball can over carry and charge/bull their way through. Defenders can grapple/hold up lads in possession and double up so it takes power more than anything to break the tackle.
For an IC setup now the first thing you look at in a forward player is his ability to break the tackle. But "breaking the tackle" shouldn't even exist in the game. As the term implies, which is in fact the reality, the player in possession is being held up i.e fouled as per the current tackling rules of the game.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on January 02, 2020, 07:51:11 PM
With the GAA's National Football League set to commence later this month, a number of counties are contending with the reality of losing a selection of their Gaelic footballers for the year ahead.
An All-Star winner in 2019, it was most recently reported that Tyrone's Cathal McShane will depart the inter-county scene to pursue his chances in the Australian Football League with the Brisbane Lions.
The latest in a long line of GAA stars to embrace the opportunity of playing professional sport in Australia, the allure of the AFL cannot be exclusively held responsible for the departure of a large number of players across the winter months of 2019, however.
From The Dundalk Democrat in Louth to The Clare Echo, regional outlets across the country have reported numerous instances of players opting to depart the county's senior panel for the foreseeable future.
The following is a list of those players who have opted, for one reason or another, not to participate at inter-county level for the year ahead.
Ulster:
Of the four provinces in question, the spread of counties hit by the optional departure of players is certainly widest in Ulster.
With McShane seemingly set to follow Connor McAliksey out of Tyrone, Dara McVeety and Conor Moynagh are opting out of the Cavan panel to go travelling; Killian Clarke and Conor Rehill opting out also.
Odhrán McNiallais (Donegal), Ryan Murray (Antrim) and Stephen O'Hanlon (Monaghan) all similarly look set to miss the year ahead.
Antrim - Ryan Murray (Travelling), Matthew Fitzpatrick (Opted out - Irish Premiership)
Armagh - Ben Crealy*
Cavan - Dara McVeety, Conor Moynagh (Travelling) & Killian Clarke, Conor Rehill (Opted out)*
Donegal - Odhrán MacNiallais (Opted out)
Monaghan - Stephen O'Hanlon (Opted out)
Tyrone - Cathal McShane (AFL)*, Connor McAliskey (Opted out)
GAA
Connacht:
The spread so far appears to be a little thinner in Connacht with only last year's two provincial finalists Galway and Roscommon suffering notable losses.
Galway - Peter Cooke, Danny Cummins (Travelling)
Leitrim - Michael McWeeney (Travelling)*, Jack Heslin, Gary Plunkett, Noel Plunkett, Cathal McCrann (Opted out)
Roscommon - Diarmuid Murtagh (Opted out)*
Munster:
Benji Whelan will have to deal with a serious drop-off in numbers as Waterford contend with the loss of a number of players in Munster. However, the entirety of the county's managers will be faring with different degrees of playing personnel dropping out.
Clare - Jamie Malone, Sean O'Donoghue (Travelling), Gary Brennan (Opted out).
Cork - Mark White (Travelling)
Kerry - Mark Griffin (Travelling)
Limerick - Darragh Treacy, Sean McSweeney (Travelling)
Tipperary - Michael Quinlivan (Travelling)
Waterford - Tadhg ó hUllacháin, Shane Aherne, Tommy Prendergast, Shane Ryan, Jack Mullaney & JJ Hutchinson (Opted out)
Michael Quinlivan
Leinster:
While Kildare welcomes Daniel Flynn back into the fold, they will be without Ben McCormack and Mark Dempsey in 2020.
Laois must contend with losing Donie and Paul Kingston who've opted out for personal reasons, while Stephen Attride has decided to spend the year travelling.
Kildare - Ben McCormack, Mark Dempsey (Opted out)
Laois - Donie & Paul Kingston (Opted out), Stephen Attride (Travelling)
Louth - Andy McDonnell, Jim McEneaney, Anthony Williams & Derek Maguire (Opted out)
Offaly - Peter Cunningham (Opted out - an obligatory tour of duty)
Wexford - Kevin O'Grady, Tiernan Rossiter (Opted out)
A list of almost 40 Gaelic footballers, it is likely that an even greater number have stepped away from the inter-county game over the winter months.
Excluding those young footballers who are pursuing the professional dream in the AFL, such a number comes as perhaps less of a surprise on the back of the recently published second half of an ESRI report sanctioned by the GAA and GPA.
A demonstration of the challenges facing inter-county players, the report highlighted that the primary concern of those performing at the elite level of the GAA fell between the season's excessive length and the time commitments demanded of them.
To what degree this draining of talent will continue as the demands of the inter-county game intensify remains unclear. For the time being, the allure of a life lived on more normal terms has proved to be of greater appeal for some.
Although the very best has been done to accurately determine that the players noted above have departed the inter-county GAA scene for the reasons stated, in certain instances, the presence of an asterisk indicates that it was not possible to entirely establish why they opted out.
Liam Casey and Liam McGrath both travelling aswell from tipp. That's 2 of our regular full forward line in quinlivan and McGrath gone. Casey would have been a starter more often than not.
Shame as it's a great opportunity for Clare and tipp losing big players in a very very rare year both avoid Kerry in Munster
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 03, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
Niall Murphy - Sligo. Another to opt out. He played on the International Rules team in 2017.
Adrian McIntyre gone from Sligo panel also. Sligo 2 best players of recent years not returning for 2020. No early return to division 3
Quote from: mrdeeds on January 05, 2020, 01:34:16 PM
Quote from: southtyronegael on January 03, 2020, 09:12:35 PM
Tiarnan Mc cann.
Starts today???
Mickey put out this fake news, he will to anything to win this mckenna cup. The game against Armagh will be like an ulster final.
Mickey was caught up in winning McKenna Cups in the noughties (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007) when his players should have been resting and concentrating on Ulster and All Irelands. Madness!
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2020, 07:57:48 PM
Mickey was caught up in winning McKenna Cups in the noughties (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007) when his players should have been resting and concentrating on Ulster and All Irelands. Madness!
They won 3 all Ireland's in the noughties
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 05, 2020, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2020, 07:57:48 PM
Mickey was caught up in winning McKenna Cups in the noughties (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007) when his players should have been resting and concentrating on Ulster and All Irelands. Madness!
They won 3 all Ireland's in the noughties
A Kerry team they beat every time they met, won 4 AI's in the noughties!
Tyrone at their height between 2003 to 2008 won two Ulsters (2003, 2007)!
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2020, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 05, 2020, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2020, 07:57:48 PM
Mickey was caught up in winning McKenna Cups in the noughties (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007) when his players should have been resting and concentrating on Ulster and All Irelands. Madness!
They won 3 all Ireland's in the noughties
A Kerry team they beat every time they met, won 4 AI's in the noughties!
Tyrone at their height between 2003 to 2008 won two Ulsters (2003, 2007)!
You sure about that?
Quote from: Ball Hopper on January 05, 2020, 11:43:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2020, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 05, 2020, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2020, 07:57:48 PM
Mickey was caught up in winning McKenna Cups in the noughties (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007) when his players should have been resting and concentrating on Ulster and All Irelands. Madness!
They won 3 all Ireland's in the noughties
A Kerry team they beat every time they met, won 4 AI's in the noughties!
Tyrone at their height between 2003 to 2008 won two Ulsters (2003, 2007)!
You sure about that?
Sorry 5! Worse again!
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2020, 10:43:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 05, 2020, 09:58:20 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on January 05, 2020, 07:57:48 PM
Mickey was caught up in winning McKenna Cups in the noughties (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007) when his players should have been resting and concentrating on Ulster and All Irelands. Madness!
They won 3 all Ireland's in the noughties
A Kerry team they beat every time they met, won 4 AI's in the noughties!
Tyrone at their height between 2003 to 2008 won two Ulsters (2003, 2007)!
We were talking about Tyrone. In the same number of years there they won 3 All Ireland's.
Sean Quigley is taking an indefinite break from inter-county football, Fermanagh manager Ryan McMenamin has revealed.
Quigley mentioned that he wasn't enjoying County football. The football Fermanagh played under Gallagher, was tough to watch, and probably the same to play in.
Will it improve much under Ryan McMenamjn?
https://www.impartialreporter.com/sport/18139023.mcmenamin-confirms-quigley-not-part-squad-present/?ref=twtrec (https://www.impartialreporter.com/sport/18139023.mcmenamin-confirms-quigley-not-part-squad-present/?ref=twtrec)
'The door is always open' is becoming most managers favourite phrase at the minute.
Crazy amount of players opting out of Inter-County football at present. And I don't blame them one bit.
we have lads opting out of club action!
Has Tomás Corrigan opted back in for Fermanagh this year?
Mickey Harte on the departure of Cathal McShane.
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"It would be well known that I would not be a fan of Gaelic players being scooped by the AFL and it's a bit sad I think that this used to be the job of unknown scouts from Australia but now it's actually ex-GAA people from Ireland who are actually scouting our players to take them away to another league which is of no benefit to us whatsoever," Harte told the Strabane Chronicle after his side's McKenna Cup victory over Cavan this afternoon.
"It's one-way stuff, lose, lose for us and it doesn't make much sense to me that we would still engage officially with that outfit while this goes on.
"It saddens me to say the least and I hope that somebody somewhere sees the nonsense of what we're doing and cuts ties with them officially."
"Cathal is on his way temporarily I would suggest, going out to see if that is something that he wants to do. He has not made any final decision yet one way or the other," he stressed.
"As long as he has not made the decision to go there, then I would still hold reasonable hope that he could still be playing football for Tyrone this year. But if he makes his decision to go then that's his perogative to do so."
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Quote from: lenny on January 06, 2020, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Between Clarke and Harte, I know who I would be listening to on this particular subject
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 06, 2020, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Between Clarke and Harte, I know who I would be listening to on this particular subject
Yes Harte every time.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on January 06, 2020, 09:21:18 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on January 06, 2020, 09:19:50 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Between Clarke and Harte, I know who I would be listening to on this particular subject
Yes Harte every time.
Not on this
Quote from: Angelo on January 06, 2020, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: lenny on January 06, 2020, 08:49:16 PM
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
Can see both sides on this. Can go two ways sometimes I guess.
Surely Tyrone benefited in some tiny way from the AFL namely McShanes Crows city rivals - Port Adelaide and their
high performance management department in 2015. A very highly rated and smart young coach imo.
Interesting video, see 3.31
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/port-adelaide-reveals-hi-tech,-cutting-edge-fitness-regime/6560204
(http://w3.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2015/August/images/story15c.jpg)
http://w3.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2015/August/story15.asp
Marty Clarke is no great ambassador for the gaa.
I totally disagree with most of what Mickey harte pedals but on this point he is correct. We should not be aiding AFL clubs, this will get worse.
And if Clarke is so unimportant and his likes why would these clubs be paying him. In the very least they are taking his advice. His comments were commical and hes certainly no big ambassador to the GAA. He had 1 decent year
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Can see both sides on this. Can go two ways sometimes I guess.
Surely Tyrone benefited in some tiny way from the AFL namely McShanes Crows city rivals - Port Adelaide and their
high performance management department in 2015. A very highly rated and smart young coach imo.
Interesting video, see 3.31
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/port-adelaide-reveals-hi-tech,-cutting-edge-fitness-regime/6560204
(http://w3.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2015/August/images/story15c.jpg)
http://w3.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2015/August/story15.asp
very interesting. Maybe Mickey didn't know he was in Australia. Monaghan have him now anyway.
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Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
Tadhg Kennelly expects McShane to play with Tyrone in 2020, and to sign on fully with Adelaide later in the year..
https://t.co/QkdHHYY4mq?amp=1
I think Harte is 100% correct here. There should be no link with Australian Rules and we shouldn't be assisting them recruiting GAA players in the same way we shouldn't be assisting Premier League soccer or Pro14 rugby in recruiting GAA players. If lads make the choice then good luck to them. When a guy makes it in pro sport you can only be very proud of them. It's the facilitation of recruitment that I disagree with.
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Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
You're contradicting yourself so. Tomas O'Se launched a far more severe broadside at Tadhg Kennelly when there was talk about Clifford going to the AFL a few years back than anything Harte said.
You have once again shown us what a sad little man you are and as someone who lets bitterness and vitriol overrule rationale and logic.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
You're contradicting yourself so. Tomas O'Se launched a far more severe broadside at Tadhg Kennelly when there was talk about Clifford going to the AFL a few years back than anything Harte said.
You have once again shown us what a sad little man you are and as someone who lets bitterness and vitriol overrule rationale and logic.
Would you ever climb out of Hartes boxers holy ghost.. He would be a fool to pass on the opportunity and an even bigger fool to let Mickey Harte make his decision for him. End off, and stop referring back to Kerry, you sound silly
Mickey Harte crying about poor Tyrone all over the media again . . . He's obviously not doing New Year new me then!
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
You're contradicting yourself so. Tomas O'Se launched a far more severe broadside at Tadhg Kennelly when there was talk about Clifford going to the AFL a few years back than anything Harte said.
You have once again shown us what a sad little man you are and as someone who lets bitterness and vitriol overrule rationale and logic.
No contradiction at all. I said Harte was a dinosaur because of his total ignorance of the size and scale of the AFL clubs. I share harte's disappointment about gaa players leaving. Martin Clarke took apart harte's arguments one by one in a very calm, articulate way.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
You're contradicting yourself so. Tomas O'Se launched a far more severe broadside at Tadhg Kennelly when there was talk about Clifford going to the AFL a few years back than anything Harte said.
You have once again shown us what a sad little man you are and as someone who lets bitterness and vitriol overrule rationale and logic.
Would you ever climb out of Hartes boxers holy ghost.. He would be a fool to pass on the opportunity and an even bigger fool to let Mickey Harte make his decision for him. End off, and stop referring back to Kerry, you sound silly
I'm referring to different treatments of two very similar arguments by a poster who will choke some day on his own bitterness.
You're another goon who makes completely irrational, completely illogical comments to pedal an utterly baseless agenda.
McShane has as decision to make, Harte very obviously wants him to stay for vested reasons as he is the Tyrone manager and losing McShane would be a hammerblow for Tyrone football.
He's on record as saying he hopes McShane stays, but if he decides not to then he wishes him the best.
"At this moment in time, he has not committed to anything other than to go there and experience what is happening, and it'll be up to him to make that final decision. And whatever [decision] he makes, we wish him well. We wish it would be for us, but if it's not then I wish him well with his new option, his new career."So what exactly is your contention with what Harte said?
Regardless of players giving the AFL a shot, a much bigger concern should be the volume of players dropping out of playing IC football.
By comparison it is not something we should be worried about.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
You're contradicting yourself so. Tomas O'Se launched a far more severe broadside at Tadhg Kennelly when there was talk about Clifford going to the AFL a few years back than anything Harte said.
You have once again shown us what a sad little man you are and as someone who lets bitterness and vitriol overrule rationale and logic.
No contradiction at all. I said Harte was a dinosaur because of his total ignorance of the size and scale of the AFL clubs. I share harte's disappointment about gaa players leaving. Martin Clarke took apart harte's arguments one by one in a very calm, articulate way.
It's a complete and utter contradiction, you must be incredibly stupid if you fail to see that. Marty Clarke actively helps recruit GAA players for the AFL and that is an allegation that he can't deny. Maybe you should go and read what Tomas O'Se said about Tadhg Kennelly before you embarrass yourself further.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
You're contradicting yourself so. Tomas O'Se launched a far more severe broadside at Tadhg Kennelly when there was talk about Clifford going to the AFL a few years back than anything Harte said.
You have once again shown us what a sad little man you are and as someone who lets bitterness and vitriol overrule rationale and logic.
No contradiction at all. I said Harte was a dinosaur because of his total ignorance of the size and scale of the AFL clubs. I share harte's disappointment about gaa players leaving. Martin Clarke took apart harte's arguments one by one in a very calm, articulate way.
It's a complete and utter contradiction, you must be incredibly stupid if you fail to see that. Marty Clarke actively helps recruit GAA players for the AFL and that is an allegation that he can't deny. Maybe you should go and read what Tomas O'Se said about Tadhg Kennelly before you embarrass yourself further.
Listen to the interview, Martin Clarke isn't involved in selection or recruitment.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
You're contradicting yourself so. Tomas O'Se launched a far more severe broadside at Tadhg Kennelly when there was talk about Clifford going to the AFL a few years back than anything Harte said.
You have once again shown us what a sad little man you are and as someone who lets bitterness and vitriol overrule rationale and logic.
No contradiction at all. I said Harte was a dinosaur because of his total ignorance of the size and scale of the AFL clubs. I share harte's disappointment about gaa players leaving. Martin Clarke took apart harte's arguments one by one in a very calm, articulate way.
It's a complete and utter contradiction, you must be incredibly stupid if you fail to see that. Marty Clarke actively helps recruit GAA players for the AFL and that is an allegation that he can't deny. Maybe you should go and read what Tomas O'Se said about Tadhg Kennelly before you embarrass yourself further.
Listen to the interview, Martin Clarke isn't involved in selection or recruitment.
What is the purpose of AFL combines? What do you think the AFL is paying Marty Clarke to do in Ireland? It's facilitating the identification and recruitment of GAA players for the AFL and he's paid to do it. He can deny it all he wants but that's what it is.
It's covered here.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/new-role-for-marty-clarke-as-afl-step-up-irish-focus-468622.html
Mickey Harte:
"And I think that's the sad thing about it: it used to be in the past [that] we had unknown Australians trying to woo our players out to their AFL league. Now we have ex-Gaelic players doing it."Tomas O'Se:
Let's make no bones about this. Right now, a lot of people in Kerry are cursing Tadhg. Cursing one of our own. That can't be right," he said.
"I'd say any focus on this story must be bothering him. If I met him tomorrow, I'd say straight up, "Tadhg, I've nothing against you personally. But I hate what you're doing."
"Because people in Kerry are sick of this. A lot of Tadhg's former team-mates are sick of this too, they just don't feel comfortable saying it. But I think Clifford leaving would be the straw that broke the camel's back."Harte didn't namecheck anyone, he said ex GAA players are involved in it. Tomas O'Se namechecked an ex GAA player as being involved it. Either they're both dinosaurs or you're a complete hypocrite, a pretty dim one at that.
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Quote from: rodney trotter on January 06, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Martin Clarke speaking about the the situation https://t.co/J4VNI2uPaP?amp=1
Says harte's comments are comical. Clarke spoke very well, great ambassador for the gaa. Makes Hrte sound like a dinosaur.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
I was saying harte is a dinosaur simply because of his complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the scale of afl clubs. If you listen to the piece Martin Clarke totally rips apart everything harte says piece by piece.
That's a deflection.
Do you think Tomas O'Se is a dinosaur? Yes or no.
No
You're contradicting yourself so. Tomas O'Se launched a far more severe broadside at Tadhg Kennelly when there was talk about Clifford going to the AFL a few years back than anything Harte said.
You have once again shown us what a sad little man you are and as someone who lets bitterness and vitriol overrule rationale and logic.
No contradiction at all. I said Harte was a dinosaur because of his total ignorance of the size and scale of the AFL clubs. I share harte's disappointment about gaa players leaving. Martin Clarke took apart harte's arguments one by one in a very calm, articulate way.
It's a complete and utter contradiction, you must be incredibly stupid if you fail to see that. Marty Clarke actively helps recruit GAA players for the AFL and that is an allegation that he can't deny. Maybe you should go and read what Tomas O'Se said about Tadhg Kennelly before you embarrass yourself further.
Listen to the interview, Martin Clarke isn't involved in selection or recruitment.
http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/307212 (http://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/307212)
What's going on here? Maybe we should have a caption competition. It might be "comical".
What's the argument here now? The fact that Clarke is aiding players in going to the AFL?
Player exodus is rife in the gaa, players leave intercounty for a multitude of reasons and nobody should take a swipe at a player for leaving for a unique employment opportunity.
As mentioned before, if Mc Shane was leaving for Australia to work at Facebook would there be any uproar with that? Players owe nothing to their counties as they sacrifice a hell of a lot to represent them, that is more true now than ever.
As for Clarke aiding clubs to poach players, there will always be someone doing it. 15 years ago it was Ricky Nixon. Clarke having done it is probably best placed person to take up this role having went through this process himself.
Its quite ironic the GAA are altering the rules to make them more synonymous with their AFL counterparts and complaining these players are leaving to play that sport. Also with the international rules series, an exhibition of amateur players v professional players, the GAA is pretty much saying we are every bit as good as you whilst remaining amateur.
AFL clubs are probably licking their lips thinking, their correct, they are every bit as good as us. Imagine what we could do with that calibre of player if we had them training full time.
The GAA have more than played their part in letting the AFL in the door. Marty Clarke merely handles the transition.
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Quote from: CJ2017 on January 07, 2020, 08:17:35 AM
Can see both sides on this. Can go two ways sometimes I guess.
Surely Tyrone benefited in some tiny way from the AFL namely McShanes Crows city rivals - Port Adelaide and their
high performance management department in 2015. A very highly rated and smart young coach imo.
Interesting video, see 3.31
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-19/port-adelaide-reveals-hi-tech,-cutting-edge-fitness-regime/6560204
(http://w3.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2015/August/images/story15c.jpg)
http://w3.unisa.edu.au/unisanews/2015/August/story15.asp
very interesting. Maybe Mickey didn't know he was in Australia. Monaghan have him now anyway.
Maybe! Yep and Ulster Rugby now too!
However it would have probably been quite a useful trip for Tyrone coaches to learn how they do things at Port Adelaide.
Tadhg Kennelly has said he expects McShane to be with Tyrone this year as it is too late to register him for the upcoming AFL season.
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Player exodus is rife in the gaa, players leave intercounty for a multitude of reasons and nobody should take a swipe at a player for leaving for a unique employment opportunity.
As mentioned before, if Mc Shane was leaving for Australia to work at Facebook would there be any uproar with that? Players owe nothing to their counties as they sacrifice a hell of a lot to represent them, that is more true now than ever.
I'd particularly agree with this, it's entirely up to an individual what they want do with their life both on the pitch and off it, they are not getting paid to play inter county and the opportunity for any gifted athlete to play professional sport is surely very enticing.
It's an amateur sport but the commitment levels that are required now are huge, players are entitled to do what is best for them in their own view and as you rightly point out "players owe nothing to their counties".
Ray Connellan Westmeath footballer who played in the AFL.
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The number of players going to Aus is a drop in the ocean compared to players dropping themselves off county panels. I’d be far more concerned with why lads are choosing not to play rather than the few that get picked to go abroad. Real problem is a lot closer to home.
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Ray Connellan Westmeath footballer who played in the AFL.
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The number of players going to Aus is a drop in the ocean compared to players dropping themselves off county panels. I'd be far more concerned with why lads are choosing not to play rather than the few that get picked to go abroad. Real problem is a lot closer to home.
The thing is that those playing AFL
Quote from: Angelo on January 07, 2020, 02:43:41 PM
Tadhg Kennelly has said he expects McShane to be with Tyrone this year as it is too late to register him for the upcoming AFL season.
I'd be a bit skeptical about Kennelly on this - McShane would be signing the standard Category B international rookie contract and I've read that those can be signed at any stage of the season.
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Quote from: Blowitupref on January 07, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
Ray Connellan Westmeath footballer who played in the AFL.
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The number of players going to Aus is a drop in the ocean compared to players dropping themselves off county panels. I'd be far more concerned with why lads are choosing not to play rather than the few that get picked to go abroad. Real problem is a lot closer to home.
The thing is that those playing AFLQuote from: Angelo on January 07, 2020, 02:43:41 PM
Tadhg Kennelly has said he expects McShane to be with Tyrone this year as it is too late to register him for the upcoming AFL season.
I'd be a bit skeptical about Kennelly on this - McShane would be signing the standard Category B international rookie contract and I've read that those can be signed at any stage of the season.
Depends who he signs for Brisbane / Crows and if they have a B Rookie currently, assuming they don't. Think he can be registered mid season. Highly unlikely he'd even play AFL this season no matter what, so it's kinda irrelevant.
I think I read somewhere once before Kennelly has made it so Irish lads can only be offered minimum contracts, think it was about $80k a season with flights home etc included.
80k per season , is that all it's worth . Maybe it's time the GAA needs to look at ways of rewarding county players without going professional. Would it be a reasonable proposal to look at making tax free pay in their jobs or would that be far fetched ? Surely the govt could take the hit against all the revenue created by county games ?
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80k per season , is that all it's worth . Maybe it's time the GAA needs to look at ways of rewarding county players without going professional. Would it be a reasonable proposal to look at making tax free pay in their jobs or would that be far fetched ? Surely the govt could take the hit against all the revenue created by county games ?
Why should it be the tax payer that funds it though?
I'd imagine the Dublin footballers are making very good money with jobs that in reality are part time and more brand association for businesses. They will likely get big money with endorsements and promotions and other perks such as free clothes/cars/holidays that go with the territory. I'd imagine this applies to the elite players in the other big counties.
The top GAA players do well out of the game financially, always have and always will. If you want to financially reward them then it should not be the tax payer that funds it, the GAA are one of the cash richest organisations on this island and already benefit enough from state backing.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 08, 2020, 01:01:20 PM
80k per season , is that all it's worth . Maybe it's time the GAA needs to look at ways of rewarding county players without going professional. Would it be a reasonable proposal to look at making tax free pay in their jobs or would that be far fetched ? Surely the govt could take the hit against all the revenue created by county games ?
Maybe the Saracens model is one to follow. Players remain amateur but County board / Supporters club / Sponsor sets them up with a wee business venture.
Quote from: larryin89 on January 08, 2020, 01:01:20 PM
80k per season , is that all it's worth . Maybe it's time the GAA needs to look at ways of rewarding county players without going professional. Would it be a reasonable proposal to look at making tax free pay in their jobs or would that be far fetched ? Surely the govt could take the hit against all the revenue created by county games ?
i think i read somewhere before that AFL has a minimum salary of $80k. There's over 40 on a squad so not all are going to have big money contracts. it's no lose for McShane. Say he's on minimum salary for 2 years and it doesn't work out. He still comes back aged 26 with a few quid in his pocket, far more than he'd be earning here, and having been a professional athlete for 2 years. Remember these guys probably get their accommodation paid for, food paid, wearing club issued gear all week, all your time spent training so single lad probably won't get to spend too much and if he does well then he'll land $100k+ contract in all likelihood.
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Quote from: larryin89 on January 08, 2020, 01:01:20 PM
80k per season , is that all it's worth . Maybe it's time the GAA needs to look at ways of rewarding county players without going professional. Would it be a reasonable proposal to look at making tax free pay in their jobs or would that be far fetched ? Surely the govt could take the hit against all the revenue created by county games ?
Why should it be the tax payer that funds it though?
I'd imagine the Dublin footballers are making very good money with jobs that in reality are part time and more brand association for businesses. They will likely get big money with endorsements and promotions and other perks such as free clothes/cars/holidays that go with the territory. I'd imagine this applies to the elite players in the other big counties.
The top GAA players do well out of the game financially, always have and always will. If you want to financially reward them then it should not be the tax payer that funds it, the GAA are one of the cash richest organisations on this island and already benefit enough from state backing.
Which is why player opt outs are even more irritating to me. Sure if you've lost the love of the game, no problem. But if it's even the slightest, tiny bit related to finances its quite simply the GAA fault. Hide behind amateurism all we like, the game is not amateur. Time to bump up these GPA grants IMO. Christ they are trying everything else, including bringing in an AFL rule to try and chip away at the Dublin Monster they created.Why not something that could make or break a decision of someone perhaps in a tough financial spot because they are being pulled every which way?
As for McShane....someone saying $80k is that all it's worth.....take a trip up to Garvaghy any evening over the next month or two.....Brisbane or Adelaide plus about £40k training maybe 90 mins a day would be very hard to find a reason to stay. It's not even a decision for the lad, he'd be insane to turn it down.
Fair enough, suppose it's a fair attraction for them on reflection . I was just thinking it might be more when you hear lads saying how much they made over there laboring in the mines etc . My main point was I'd like to see more done to reward county players for their efforts without making the game pro or semi pro even .
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 07, 2020, 05:08:38 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 07, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
Ray Connellan Westmeath footballer who played in the AFL.
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The number of players going to Aus is a drop in the ocean compared to players dropping themselves off county panels. I'd be far more concerned with why lads are choosing not to play rather than the few that get picked to go abroad. Real problem is a lot closer to home.
The thing is that those playing AFLQuote from: Angelo on January 07, 2020, 02:43:41 PM
Tadhg Kennelly has said he expects McShane to be with Tyrone this year as it is too late to register him for the upcoming AFL season.
I'd be a bit skeptical about Kennelly on this - McShane would be signing the standard Category B international rookie contract and I've read that those can be signed at any stage of the season.
In fairness Kennelly would know he talking about. He explained on OTB if he was to be signed as International Rookie he would go into the draft system which doesn't take place until July. There would be no point for McShane waiting to be in a draft. He will go back on October if he impresses in the trial
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 08, 2020, 04:41:05 PM
Quote from: twohands!!! on January 07, 2020, 05:08:38 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on January 07, 2020, 04:49:53 PM
Ray Connellan Westmeath footballer who played in the AFL.
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The number of players going to Aus is a drop in the ocean compared to players dropping themselves off county panels. I'd be far more concerned with why lads are choosing not to play rather than the few that get picked to go abroad. Real problem is a lot closer to home.
If he impresses in the trial, and is told that he can go over Full time contract basis in October i'd doubt he will play for Tyrone and jeopardize his full time offer. Its a long year and easily injured
The thing is that those playing AFLQuote from: Angelo on January 07, 2020, 02:43:41 PM
Tadhg Kennelly has said he expects McShane to be with Tyrone this year as it is too late to register him for the upcoming AFL season.
I'd be a bit skeptical about Kennelly on this - McShane would be signing the standard Category B international rookie contract and I've read that those can be signed at any stage of the season.
In fairness Kennelly would know he talking about. He explained on OTB if he was to be signed as International Rookie he would go into the draft system which doesn't take place until July. There would be no point for McShane waiting to be in a draft. He will go back on October if he impresses in the trial
Category B rookies (which includes International players) are not in the draft system, recruited directly by the clubs according to this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie_list
Quote from: JoG2 on January 08, 2020, 04:53:19 PM
Category B rookies (which includes International players) are not in the draft system, recruited directly by the clubs according to this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie_list
This is the type of contract we can assume McShane is being assigned to, if the clubs involved don't have any of these type already it's a relatively straightforward process and he can be registered mid season to play AFL. If he's good enough and he signs, he'll be playing AFL this season. Think Kennelly is hiding behind a bit of red tape that he knows is easy enough cut.
Quote from: GetOverTheBar on January 08, 2020, 04:08:42 PM
As for McShane....someone saying $80k is that all it's worth.....take a trip up to Garvaghy any evening over the next month or two.....Brisbane or Adelaide plus about £40k training maybe 90 mins a day would be very hard to find a reason to stay. It's not even a decision for the lad, he'd be insane to turn it down.
The base rookie contract is worth AUD 80k.
There's also a few quid more in various allowances, perks (4 return flights to Ireland a year) and bonuses (for making first team appearances)
The average wage in the AFL in 2018 was AUD 362,471 or around €225k.
In 2018 there were 6 players who earned over a million AUD for the year - around €620k
Someone I was talking to who follows AFL fairly closely said Zach Tuohy will probably have earned close to (if not over) a million Euro given the length of his career (signed a rookie contract in 2010) That's without being any sort of superstar, more a middle-of-the-road decent career. He's played 186 games in 9 years.
The main reason more Irish have gone to OZ lately is that the wages on offer have skyrocketed in the last few years - in 2012 the rookie contract was AUD 41,400 compared to AUD 80,000 this year.
The minimum any of the Irish players who signed an international Category B 2 year contract for 2020 and 2021 will earn is AUD 188,533 or € 116,386 plus 8 return flights to Ireland.
The flow of players isn't going to stop any time soon.
while its tough to watch players of McShane's Quality being lost to the Gaa , and I was righlt pissed off hearing mattie ruane was doing well in the trials, over all I think the link is very good gfor the GAA.
if a young lad can see the GAA as a way of fulfilling both a travel and fulltime sport desire it will encourage people to keep playing and taking Football Seriously in that high loss area of 19-22 age group,
and lets face it only the top 1% or so are actually going to be offered a spot any way and most will only stay a few years any way and as likely as not come back better players .
As Ray connellan says far more players are lost to disinterest than to AFL anyway ,
I think its a case of Omelets and eggs
The above is a very fair post Rosnarun.
The amount of talent lost in the GAA to whatever vice you want to throw out there is monstrous compared to say 19 odd players over in Oz.
Quote from: rosnarun on January 10, 2020, 10:21:43 AM
while its tough to watch players of McShane's Quality being lost to the Gaa , and I was righlt pissed off hearing mattie ruane was doing well in the trials, over all I think the link is very good gfor the GAA.
if a young lad can see the GAA as a way of fulfilling both a travel and fulltime sport desire it will encourage people to keep playing and taking Football Seriously in that high loss area of 19-22 age group,
and lets face it only the top 1% or so are actually going to be offered a spot any way and most will only stay a few years any way and as likely as not come back better players .
As Ray connellan says far more players are lost to disinterest than to AFL anyway ,
I think its a case of Omelets and eggs
Fair point , still doesn't stop my selfish mayo supporters head saying Pearce Hanley would of made the difference, js
P addy McBrearty missing the League and potentially the whole year. He's setting up a business in the US.
Cluxton , MDMA and DC all confirmed for the year
Quote from: Tyrdub on January 10, 2020, 12:56:47 PM
Cluxton , MDMA and DC all confirmed for the year
Good news. Although it seems Clucko will miss a good chunk of the league recovering from a shoulder op.
Quote from: rodney trotter on January 10, 2020, 12:18:40 PM
P addy McBrearty missing the League and potentially the whole year. He's setting up a business in the US.
What does he do ?
Quote from: Hound on January 10, 2020, 02:31:19 PM
Quote from: Tyrdub on January 10, 2020, 12:56:47 PM
Cluxton , MDMA and DC all confirmed for the year
Good news. Although it seems Clucko will miss a good chunk of the league recovering from a shoulder op.
No bad thing, give Evan Comerford some game time
Quote from: Kingdom37 on January 19, 2020, 03:36:24 PM
Young McDonagh gone from Mayo panel.
He was a good player too, what happened there?
there are some Nasty rumors going around about some of the year out guys . that its not always of their own choosing ie. a silent ban is in place for breaking certain Rules ?
any one else hear that?
Please dont hint at names im not trying to Expose anyone
Quote from: rosnarun on January 27, 2020, 11:14:54 AM
there are some Nasty rumors going around about some of the year out guys . that its not always of their own choosing ie. a silent ban is in place for breaking certain Rules ?
any one else hear that?
Please dont hint at names im not trying to Expose anyone
Yes, I have but it doesn't bother me. I have no intention of asking or telling anything about anybody from any county. I find it hard enough to keep going from day to day as it is without getting involved in needless nudge, nudge and wink, wink.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on January 27, 2020, 11:37:38 AM
Quote from: rosnarun on January 27, 2020, 11:14:54 AM
there are some Nasty rumors going around about some of the year out guys . that its not always of their own choosing ie. a silent ban is in place for breaking certain Rules ?
any one else hear that?
Please dont hint at names im not trying to Expose anyone
Yes, I have but it doesn't bother me. I have no intention of asking or telling anything about anybody from any county. I find it hard enough to keep going from day to day as it is without getting involved in needless nudge, nudge and wink, wink.
of course not but it should be a reminder to GAA fans we don't have a high horse to sit on
So McShane staying after all. Great news for Tyrone.
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 05, 2020, 10:50:55 PM
So McShane staying after all. Great news for Tyrone.
Interesting U-turn
https://www.afc.com.au/news/560551/mcshane-opts-to-stay-in-ireland
If I was offered the same package as him it would be hard not to stay at home!!
Quote from: screenexile on February 07, 2020, 01:59:27 PM
If I was offered the same package as him it would be hard not to stay at home!!
Nice deal if true, is he staying for that or the love of Tyrone?
There had to be some incentive to turn down a professional sport. AFL rookie contract is 80k a year, with flights included.
The deal he got with Keystone plus the perks, would match that.