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#16
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 16, 2018, 07:09:03 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 16, 2018, 01:36:34 AM
Quote from: The Boy Wonder on May 16, 2018, 01:03:48 AM
Shakespeare said "The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose" so I'll join the copy & paste brigade:

"Irish Independent
14 May 2018
I am a practising consultant obstetrician in the Rotunda Hospital, now with 30 years' experience, and have previously served as Dean of Professional Competence in the Royal College of Physicians.
I have already put on record my concern regarding the false allegation that doctors are prevented from treating seriously ill women in pregnancy. I know that concern about this false allegation is shared by many in my profession.
I regret that I now feel obliged to add to these comments.
The risk to women's lives does not have to be imminent for doctors to take all necessary steps to protect women's lives and health. The current law and official guidelines are very clear in this regard.
I have never felt limited in my care of patients with sepsis, fulminating blood pressure, cancer, inevitable pregnancy loss, complex maternal illness, etc, when pregnancy was pre-viable.
Regarding the assertion that women have died because of the Eighth Amendment, Dr Peter Boylan cites as "evidence" three cases. On closer examination, however, none of these supports his contention.
The medical needs of the mother do not require removal of the Eighth Amendment.
I regret that there appears to be a campaign strategy to create a contrary impression in the minds of the public.
As persons trusted by the public to give expert advice and opinion, doctors should avoid giving inaccurate or misleading information whether to advance personal, political or philosophical views or not.
Mary Holohan FRCOG, FRCPI
Dublin 1"


It is extremely difficult to have a civil debate on this topic such are the polar opposite positions of those firmly in either camp. I'm in the NO camp and I explained my position previously - I am a conscientious objector to abortion as a choice where there are NO valid reasons for medical intervention to end a pregnancy and I believe that the 8th Amendment is a hugely important and positive element of our constitution. By voting NO I am simply using the democratic process to give my opinion on the ethos that I would wish for in our society. I do respect the opinions of those who will vote YES but I do not share their views and beliefs. I do not accept that a successful YES vote would be "progressive" given the inevitable normalisation over time of abortion on demand as has happened in UK, US etc.

The fact that our citizens travel to UK for abortions or purchase abortion pills online can never be used as valid reasons for legalising abortion in this country. We must cherish our independence and make the best decisions as we see fit for the common good of our citizens irrespective of the norms in other countries.

Given how each side of this debate is disrespecting each other at the moment it does not bode well for the post-referendum scenario irrespective of the outcome.
Can you tell me why the vast majority of obstetricians, gynaecologists, midwives and GPs favour repeal?

Why do those with the most knowledge favour repeal in the heaviest numbers?
Must dive in and start brow beating someone who doesn't agree with me. You're as good as recruiting sergeant for a No vote as Peter Boylan.

Where's you evidence of above? How many of the 18,000 have come out in favour of repealing?
#17
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 16, 2018, 06:58:33 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 16, 2018, 12:41:38 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 16, 2018, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 15, 2018, 12:43:19 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 14, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
Maria Steen giving a masterclass in swatting away the Yes mob.
A great point from the audience too. If people actually witnessed what happened during an abortion, they wouldn't be voting for it.
Sid and Syferus will never address this. Instead they'll dress it up in cuddly language like 'compassion' and 'healthcare'.
Seeing as you've clearly decided to dip your toes into the water of this debate over the couple of days or so, what do you plan to do about 12 year old rape victims who are made pregnant?

Do you plan to force them to carry the pregnancy to term against their will?

This is the tactic, try and use the extreme edge cases to open the floodgates.

It's like a Ferrari drivers club campaigning to have all speed limits and speed bumps removed from our roads because they claim they may potentially slow down an ambulance if there was ever an emergency.

I have way more respect for people like Ruth Coppinger who at least admit they want an abortion free for all, instead of hiding behind obscure scenarios.
Attempting to deflect won't get you anywhere.

I answered your question on page 30 of this thread comprehensively.

Any chance you could answer the question I asked you? I've bolded it for your convenience.
Don't be trying to fake concern for the mythical 12 year old. You'd care for her about as much as you do for the unborn child, but if she helps deliver you abortion
I'd favour the person being given counselling and support and giving the child up for for adoption.
There are thousands of parents on the adoption waiting lists while thousands of healthy babies get destroyed every year. The vast majority of them perfectly healthy.
#18
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 16, 2018, 12:33:09 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on May 15, 2018, 12:43:19 AM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 14, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
Maria Steen giving a masterclass in swatting away the Yes mob.
A great point from the audience too. If people actually witnessed what happened during an abortion, they wouldn't be voting for it.
Sid and Syferus will never address this. Instead they'll dress it up in cuddly language like 'compassion' and 'healthcare'.
Seeing as you've clearly decided to dip your toes into the water of this debate over the couple of days or so, what do you plan to do about 12 year old rape victims who are made pregnant?

Do you plan to force them to carry the pregnancy to term against their will?
This is the tactic, try and use the extreme edge cases to open the floodgates.

It's like a Ferrari drivers club campaigning to have all speed limits and speed bumps removed from our roads because they claim they may potentially slow down an ambulance if there was ever an emergency.

I have way more respect for people like Ruth Coppinger who at least admit they want an abortion free for all, instead of hiding behind obscure scenarios.
#19
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
Quote from: Puckoon on May 14, 2018, 11:01:31 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 14, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
Maria Steen giving a masterclass in swatting away the Yes mob.
A great point from the audience too. If people actually witnessed what happened during an abortion, they wouldn't be voting for it.
Sid and Syferus will never address this. Instead they'll dress it up in cuddly language like 'compassion' and 'healthcare'.

The chick in the red? She wouldn't be out of place on Fox News, such is her level of shite and absolute balderdash. She actually needs more stricter moderation from the host.
She wiped out Mary Lou at the very end.
Peter Boylan is probably the best recruiting sergeant for the No side. An absolute liability for the abortionist side.
#20
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 11:03:21 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 14, 2018, 11:00:57 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 14, 2018, 10:55:26 PM
It's surreal to think that we put Rhona Mahony and Peter Boylan in charge of the country's largest maternity hospital when they have expressed their utter contempt for the unborn child.

Way to demonise people because they don't agree with your zealotry on abortion.
They've demonised themselves with their anti-child opinions.
#21
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 10:55:26 PM
It's surreal to think that we put Rhona Mahony and Peter Boylan in charge of the country's largest maternity hospital when they have expressed their utter contempt for the unborn child.
#22
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 10:51:34 PM
Maria Steen giving a masterclass in swatting away the Yes mob.
A great point from the audience too. If people actually witnessed what happened during an abortion, they wouldn't be voting for it.
Sid and Syferus will never address this. Instead they'll dress it up in cuddly language like 'compassion' and 'healthcare'.
#23
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 10:13:00 PM
QuoteAt the beginning of the campaign I argued that the sometimes hostile approach of not all, but many on the Yes side, more precisely those associated with fourth-wave feminism, will do little to convince the many undecided in the middle, that is, those which the opinion polls tell us remain undecided, of which I am one.

I suggested that science and fact, rather than rhetoric on social media, would do more to convince the middle ground than the occasionally smug approach adopted by some on the Yes side.
You know who you are.  ;D
The bigger the tossers on the Yes side, the more likely that No will win.

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/facile-to-conflate-abortion-debate-and-cancer-scandal-36901093.html
#24
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 01:29:25 PM
I've talked to dozens of people who are going to vote No, but are keeping their intentions private.
This is mainly because of how aggressive the Yes camp are to people who disagree with them.
#25
Brian Cody is leading a charmed life.
He just about got away with leaving out Colin Fennelly and Paul Murphy.

Joey Holden must be the worst player to ever tog out for the black and amber shites.
#26
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 12:47:43 PM
Quote from: whitey on May 14, 2018, 12:16:11 PM
Quote from: Premier Emperor on May 14, 2018, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: whitey on May 14, 2018, 01:24:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2018, 11:53:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2018, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2018, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2018, 09:59:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2018, 09:29:06 PM
Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.
Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.

Offended? Who's offended?
The Syferus fella.
Mock outrage at a very valid point.
#27
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: whitey on May 14, 2018, 01:24:16 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2018, 11:53:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2018, 11:42:24 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2018, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2018, 10:21:39 PM
Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2018, 09:59:36 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2018, 09:29:06 PM
Thousands of people travel to Las Vegas to gamble, that is not necessarily a justification for introducing similar gambling in Ireland.

You do realise how scummy these comparisons are, right? Are you just trying to offend at this stage?

I am making the point that laws do not have to be the same as in other places.  If you feel my comparison is not valid then you can argue your case, you obviously feel you cannot when you resort to abuse.

You're not making any point whatsoever.

Why respond to me, then?

Because what you posted compared healthcare with gambling or driving a fast car. Stop digging the hole you created for yourself deeper - you said something that is entirely indefensible.

WTF are you ranting about.....hes right.....just because something is legal in another country, doesnt mean it should automatically be legal in Ireland. 

Following your logic 14 year olds should be able to get married, regular joe soaps should be allowed to own automatic weapons, prostitution should be legal, euthenasia should be legal ...etc, etc.
Ignore him. He's just pretending to be offended because a stupid point by Sid got torpedoed.
#28
General discussion / Re: Eighth Amendment poll
May 14, 2018, 11:29:42 AM
Quote from: Syferus on May 13, 2018, 06:35:18 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 13, 2018, 02:05:10 PM
This is a good example of the bollix logic associated with this matter. There are things you can do abroad that you cannot do here, it is not the business of government to restrict people with fast cars from driving them to Germany to do 200kmh on the autobahn.
The whole point of independence is that you can have different laws than other places, yet you have the SF  advocating that laws be cannot be different than England.

You literally compared basic healthcare to driving a fast car. Wooooow.
You compared basic healthcare to abortion. Wooooow.
Basic healthcare, having an ingrown toenail removed, getting the wax in your ears removed, having a 10 inch long baby with all its organs fully formed hoovered out.
#29
General discussion / Re: The Late Late show
April 28, 2018, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on April 28, 2018, 11:08:38 AM
Savita Halappanavar died because she couldn't have an abortion.
It's great the way a tragic case of medical malpractice has been cynically used by pro-abortion activists to open the door for abortion on demand.
There's a world of difference between Savita and a Sharon who got a drunk and pregnant by a Spanish sailor.

#30
People were calling Dublin the spoon burners long before Philly McMahon wrote his book.