Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

Started by tiempo, April 07, 2018, 11:29:30 PM

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tiempo

A lot of talk of the 2 jurisductions known as Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland being united. Seems rational enough to me then that if that should happen the new jurisdiction would be called Ireland. Or am I wrong, will it be called the Republic of Ireland? And what else of its makeup? Flag, religion, parliamentary system, anthem, language, Rockall? Surely everything has to be on the table in order to truely break free from centuries of external interference and internal conflict. A penny for your thoughts, add all the categories you want.

Name:
Flag:
Religion:
Parliament:
Special dispensation:

tiempo

Name: Ireland
Flag: Green harp flag (not without its connotations, maybe not acceptable to Unionists)
Religion: Non-secular
Parliament: Unitary
Anthem: Henry McCullagh (ditty wee number, especially Percy on the steel guitar)
Language: English, Gaelic, Ulster-Scotch
Special category status: British passport available to anyone born in former NI jurisdiction for 50 years after unification (a gift from the British to Unionists left behind if you will)
Fundamental principle: Break from British interference, no special ceremonial roles for British in endorsing new state, no constitutional monarchy, formally abolish RoI, NI and UK

Henry McCullagh ladies and gentlemen...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwyBR_0_6pQ

Rossfan

Name -Irish Confederation/Cómhthionól na h-Éireann /Twa  paints o' Airlann Stock  the gaither
Flag - Green flag with red St Patrick's X on it.
Parliament - Two chamber with 2 semi autonomous Assemblies in Dublin (26 Cos) and Belfast  (6 Cos). Confederation Parliament based in Athlone.
Anthem -Our Beautiful Island/Ár Oileán Álainn.
Special dispensation -6 Cos natives to have right to British citizenship ( if "Britain" still exists -if not......?)
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

illdecide



Name: Ireland
Flag: Green, white & gold
Religion: There's your problem (ban religion, it's a load of shite anyway)
Parliament: Dail
Special dispensation: Offer DLA for a further 10 years then 50% for the next ten
I can swim a little but i can't fly an inch

JPGJOHNNYG

Depends if the existing boundary commision are still about then there maybe a Unionist majority lol of course Scotland will be independent so a return to Uk may not be an option but West Britain will  thrive. Anthem will be God save Arlene and we will have a nice Orange fleg with Union Jack in the corner. Parliament will be moved to Larne as Stormont smells a bit too much of mass these days.

seafoid

Name : Ireland 2.0
Flag : It doesn't matter. Green and orange combo or a butchers apron in the corner maybe. I would prefer to have a hurl on it.
Religion : Consumerism/ Man Utd
Parliament : Dáil plus regional assemblies. No need for ultra centralisation. The RoI is a hoor for this and it is linked to security paranoia.
Special stuff : Something like Südtirol for NI. Maybe Tyrone etc could opt out

"The local government system is based upon the provisions of the Italian Constitution and the Autonomy Statute of the Region Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol.[17] The 1972 second Statute of Autonomy for Trentino-Alto Adige/Südtirol devolved most legislative and executive competences from the regional level to the provincial level, creating de facto two separate regions."
Anthem : An chúilfhionn  https://youtu.be/M0FALtoXSR0
Or
Jer the Rigger https://youtu.be/l-KewvkR3SM @ 8.39
"f**k it, just score"- Donaghy   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbxG2WwVRjU

BennyCake

Here's a thing. If a UI was achieved, the St Patrick's cross on the Union Fleg would therefore have to be removed, would it not?

So, obviously Unionists would want to stay within the UK, and they'd be pissed off in a UI, and would continue to fly their Union Fleg, being British and all. But what would be the point of that? The 'new' Union fleg wouldn't include them (Norn Iron unionists), and the 'old' (current) Union fleg would be outdated.

Maybe Arlene is right. They might have to move.

snoopdog

Quote from: BennyCake on April 08, 2018, 01:05:38 PM
Here's a thing. If a UI was achieved, the St Patrick's cross on the Union Fleg would therefore have to be removed, would it not?

So, obviously Unionists would want to stay within the UK, and they'd be pissed off in a UI, and would continue to fly their Union Fleg, being British and all. But what would be the point of that? The 'new' Union fleg wouldn't include them (Norn Iron unionists), and the 'old' (current) Union fleg would be outdated.

Maybe Arlene is right. They might have to move.
It wouldn't be a new union flag. It would be a return to the original one of st George and st Andrew.

BennyCake

Quote from: snoopdog on April 08, 2018, 01:18:48 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 08, 2018, 01:05:38 PM
Here's a thing. If a UI was achieved, the St Patrick's cross on the Union Fleg would therefore have to be removed, would it not?

So, obviously Unionists would want to stay within the UK, and they'd be pissed off in a UI, and would continue to fly their Union Fleg, being British and all. But what would be the point of that? The 'new' Union fleg wouldn't include them (Norn Iron unionists), and the 'old' (current) Union fleg would be outdated.

Maybe Arlene is right. They might have to move.
It wouldn't be a new union flag. It would be a return to the original one of st George and st Andrew.

Well, yeah. But what would be the point of flying that?

Hang on, a Union of George and Andrew. Wasn't that 'Wham!'?


JPGJOHNNYG

With us and the Scots gone rUK will need a flag like this

Hardy

Except they never bothered to represent Wales in the flag before, so why start now?

BennyCake

Quote from: Hardy on April 08, 2018, 05:16:50 PM
Except they never bothered to represent Wales in the flag before, so why start now?

They'll have to keep in with the Welsh now they've lost Norn Iron and the Scots have pissed off.

bennydorano

Presumably the Union Flag has something to do with the various Acts of Union, Wales was annexed by England rather than 'unified'. They'd likely have to do something Constitutionally to change the Flag. (Which I know wasn't really what you were getting at hardy - but I thought it was an interesting tangent).

snoopdog