Boxing Thread

Started by bennydorano, November 04, 2007, 09:00:01 PM

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laoislad

Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 06:03:33 PM
She a top class competitor in a minority sport. She can only deal with the competition in front of her.   
Boxing in competition with boys in her youth, having a father who was a former boxer and a coach meant she had a head start on her female piers. But she still had to have the talent and the hunger to succeed.

She may not be at the top when one talks of GOAT in Irish sport, but she is in the conversation and part of the chasing bunch.
She is at the top as far as I'm concerned. Harrington probably close also but Taylor for me is everything a role model should be and is the best ever to compete at her chosen sport. Not many other Irish sportspeople can say that.
Maybe if she was from the 6 counties some would think differently...
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

GiveItToTheShooters

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 02, 2021, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2021, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 02, 2021, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 02, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.

Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's  Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Agreed. It's not even close.
Her sporting achievements by far exceed anyone else's.

Women's boxing, minority sport at best and she's Ireland's greatest sports person? Christ the night!
Whether or not it's a "minority sport" or not is irrelevant, her sporting achievements are unrivalled. That comment also discriminates against her because she's a female.
Yes, by far.
You're one of the clowns who think it's someone like Roy Keane or Mcilroy ;D

Of course it being a minority sport is a factor in the debate. What's next, that 20 time world road bowls champion Finbar O'Grady is in the running for the greatest Irish sportsperson of all time debate?
Surely, 20 world titles.
Boxing isn't a "minority" sport. And if it was, the sport is irrelevant. You don't get to judge who is to be discarded from the debate because you reckon more people do one sport than another. That's an ambiguous metric. The facts are, her achievements are the best.

JimStynes

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 02, 2021, 06:16:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2021, 05:43:56 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 02, 2021, 04:18:48 PM
Quote from: laoislad on May 02, 2021, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on May 02, 2021, 02:15:34 PM
Taylor is 35 this year. Hard to believe! It's nine years since the Olympic Gold.

Nearly time to wrap thing up - at the top!
Ireland's  Greatest sportsperson without a doubt.
Agreed. It's not even close.
Her sporting achievements by far exceed anyone else's.

Women's boxing, minority sport at best and she's Ireland's greatest sports person? Christ the night!
Whether or not it's a "minority sport" or not is irrelevant, her sporting achievements are unrivalled. That comment also discriminates against her because she's a female.
Yes, by far.
You're one of the clowns who think it's someone like Roy Keane or Mcilroy ;D

Of course it being a minority sport is a factor in the debate. What's next, that 20 time world road bowls champion Finbar O'Grady is in the running for the greatest Irish sportsperson of all time debate?

Minority sport or not. She's more well known than a lot of our top sportsmen. She's doing wonders for women's boxing just like Rhonda Rousey did for UFC at the start. I still think McIlroy is the best Irish sportsperson ever but I would definitely have Katie Taylor in the chasing pack.

nrico2006

Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.

Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one.  Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.

Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

GiveItToTheShooters

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 07:01:00 PM
Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.

Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one.  Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.

Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
No it isn't a minority sport. As I pointed out before, that's an ambiguous metric, because where do you draw the line. You don't get to decide what sports are above a certain number of participant threshold before it can be included in the debate.
By your logic of pointing out that she's a female, would suggest that no female can ever be included in any of these debates, as by your logic it's not worth as much or as have enough competitors compared to men's sport and therefore should be brushed off, which is ludicrous.
The facts are she has the best sporting achievements in the history of this country.

laoislad

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 07:01:00 PM
Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.

Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one.  Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.

Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
Yeah, I mean if only she also had won say World/European and Olympic titles to back up being a good role model....
would love to know what you're key criteria is because obviously what she has won isn't enough  ::)
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

Mikhail Prokhorov

golf, snooker, darts etc would not count imo as they do not require any physical fitness bar walking

boxing would have to be one of the most grueling disciplines so katie has to be in the discussion

our most decorated sportsperson is still michelle smith  ;)

nrico2006

Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 02, 2021, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 07:01:00 PM
Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.

Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one.  Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.

Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
No it isn't a minority sport. As I pointed out before, that's an ambiguous metric, because where do you draw the line. You don't get to decide what sports are above a certain number of participant threshold before it can be included in the debate.
By your logic of pointing out that she's a female, would suggest that no female can ever be included in any of these debates, as by your logic it's not worth as much or as have enough competitors compared to men's sport and therefore should be brushed off, which is ludicrous.
The facts are she has the best sporting achievements in the history of this country.

It is a minority sport and that factors into the decision making process. Probably the same kind of reason that Paul Brady isn't in these kind of debates also, he won a load of world titles in a sport that would fall into the same bracket.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

laoislad

Quote from: Mikhail Prokhorov on May 02, 2021, 07:18:09 PM
golf, snooker, darts etc would not count imo as they do not require any physical fitness bar walking

boxing would have to be one of the most grueling disciplines so katie has to be in the discussion

our most decorated sportsperson is still michelle smith  ;)
I'd love to see some of these fellas who call it a minority sport get into the ring with Katie, or any of the female boxers  ;D
When you think you're fucked you're only about 40% fucked.

From the Bunker

Katie was unfortunate that she had to wait for sports bodies to catch up. London 2012 was the first time of Women's boxing in the Olympics. Because of a lack of role models and competitions, not many females nailed their sporting hopes to the Boxing mast. Katie was the exception. You'd expect with role models like Taylor, the sport will get more participants and the standards will also rise. Talented girls today (because of Taylor) see a path and have role models.

I do believe that Katie is of a high standard, but her piers are less so.

GiveItToTheShooters

Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 07:22:12 PM
Quote from: GiveItToTheShooters on May 02, 2021, 07:10:23 PM
Quote from: nrico2006 on May 02, 2021, 07:01:00 PM
Don't see how Harrington is ahead of McIlroy as majors are pretty much the universal currency in the golf world and McIlroy has more.

Taylor is definitely in the discussion but womens boxing is a minority sport, its literally a different sport than the mens one.  Never thought about who was the best before, but you are going to find it hard to better George Best at his peak.

Its good to see people being positive role models etc. too, but that shouldn't be key criteria when coming up with the winner.
No it isn't a minority sport. As I pointed out before, that's an ambiguous metric, because where do you draw the line. You don't get to decide what sports are above a certain number of participant threshold before it can be included in the debate.
By your logic of pointing out that she's a female, would suggest that no female can ever be included in any of these debates, as by your logic it's not worth as much or as have enough competitors compared to men's sport and therefore should be brushed off, which is ludicrous.
The facts are she has the best sporting achievements in the history of this country.

It is a minority sport and that factors into the decision making process. Probably the same kind of reason that Paul Brady isn't in these kind of debates also, he won a load of world titles in a sport that would fall into the same bracket.
I see you didn't address what I said.
Boxing isn't a minority sport, whatever "minority" is. You don't get to decide which sports have more weight over another as one may or may not have more participants. An ambiguous metric.
She's our most decorated athlete, it's that simple.

Milltown Row2

It's a minority sport because the numbers are low, boxing has been about for 100's years, and it's always been a male dominated sport, it's a bit like saying ladies football is the same as men's football in terms of Dublin men's and Cork ladies, not even close
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nrico2006

There are only apparently around 2000 professional female boxers in the world.
'To the extreme I rock a mic like a vandal, light up a stage and wax a chump like a candle.'

GiveItToTheShooters

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on May 02, 2021, 07:32:56 PM
It's a minority sport because the numbers are low, boxing has been about for 100's years, and it's always been a male dominated sport, it's a bit like saying ladies football is the same as men's football in terms of Dublin men's and Cork ladies, not even close
It isn't though.
Low compared to what sports? Any evidence to back that up? It's our most successful sport on the international stage ;D
Male dominated sport is irrelevant. She's not male. Pointing that out only discriminates against her achievements, as by that logic, male achievements are worth more and females can't be counted.
Your Dublin cork analogy makes no sense either, they're both the best teams in the own competition, and is irrelevant to Katie Taylor.

Milltown Row2

There are 2000 registered female professional boxers, apparently. So it's not a minority sport? What a thicko
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea