A United Ireland. Opening up the discussion.

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full moon

Quote from: trailer on April 09, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2018, 02:30:57 PM
There would be no Irish republic without violence. Fact.

There would be no Good Friday Agreement without violence. Fact number 2.

Utter bullshit. A lie peddled by the IRA to account for years of terrorism and racketeering against the very communities they profuse to protect.
Explain how it would have happened otherwise. The nonsense about the SDLP is just not reality, all they ever done was bend over and take it, then suck up to their betters as much possible. The people have no time for them, soon they will not be in existence. They want join Fianna Fail now, because they know their time is up


BennyCake

Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2018, 06:29:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 09, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2018, 02:30:57 PM
There would be no Irish republic without violence. Fact.

There would be no Good Friday Agreement without violence. Fact number 2.

Utter bullshit. A lie peddled by the IRA to account for years of terrorism and racketeering against the very communities they profuse to protect.
Explain how it would have happened otherwise. The nonsense about the SDLP is just not reality, all they ever done was bend over and take it, then suck up to their betters as much possible. The people have no time for them, soon they will not be in existence. They want join Fianna Fail now, because they know their time is up

The GFA wouldn't have happened without the SDLP.

full moon

Quote from: BennyCake on April 09, 2018, 08:08:31 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2018, 06:29:33 PM
Quote from: trailer on April 09, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2018, 02:30:57 PM
There would be no Irish republic without violence. Fact.

There would be no Good Friday Agreement without violence. Fact number 2.

Utter bullshit. A lie peddled by the IRA to account for years of terrorism and racketeering against the very communities they profuse to protect.
Explain how it would have happened otherwise. The nonsense about the SDLP is just not reality, all they ever done was bend over and take it, then suck up to their betters as much possible. The people have no time for them, soon they will not be in existence. They want join Fianna Fail now, because they know their time is up

The GFA wouldn't have happened without the SDLP.
It wouldn't have happened without the Provos and Sinn Fein. To think the SDLP would have accomplished it from the 70s themselves is laughable.

BennyCake

John Hume's good work helped pave the way for the gfa. Unionists wouldn't have entertained the idea of any deal with SF alone.

balladmaker

So Bertie Ahearn after saying on Newsnight that a border poll which throws up a 52-48 majority for a United Ireland would not be good enough.  What does he want, 60-40, 70-30 or the best of three ... when democracy is no longer democracy.

full moon

Quote from: balladmaker on April 09, 2018, 11:01:20 PM
So Bertie Ahearn after saying on Newsnight that a border poll which throws up a 52-48 majority for a United Ireland would not be good enough.  What does he want, 60-40, 70-30 or the best of three ... when democracy is no longer democracy.
He's irrelevant and despised by most.


GJL

Quote from: balladmaker on April 09, 2018, 11:01:20 PM
So Bertie Ahearn after saying on Newsnight that a border poll which throws up a 52-48 majority for a United Ireland would not be good enough.  What does he want, 60-40, 70-30 or the best of three ... when democracy is no longer democracy.

50% + 1 was good enough for Brexit so I see no reason why it would not be good enough for UI.

Jim_Murphy_74

Quote from: balladmaker on April 09, 2018, 11:01:20 PM
So Bertie Ahearn after saying on Newsnight that a border poll which throws up a 52-48 majority for a United Ireland would not be good enough.  What does he want, 60-40, 70-30 or the best of three ... when democracy is no longer democracy.

Was he a good man for the gambling (All that sterling he won on a horse)?  I'd raise his to 53-47 and see if he blinks.

/Jim.

BennyCake

Quote from: GJL on April 10, 2018, 10:23:46 AM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 09, 2018, 11:01:20 PM
So Bertie Ahearn after saying on Newsnight that a border poll which throws up a 52-48 majority for a United Ireland would not be good enough.  What does he want, 60-40, 70-30 or the best of three ... when democracy is no longer democracy.

50% + 1 was good enough for Brexit so I see no reason why it would not be good enough for UI.

Well, the reason for Norn Iron existing was to contain a unionist majority. If there's a result of 50.01% in favour of a UI, there is no longer a unionist majority, and therefore Norn Iron ceases to exist.

Jim_Murphy_74

Quote from: BennyCake on April 10, 2018, 10:57:29 AM
Well, the reason for Norn Iron existing was to contain a unionist majority. If there's a result of 50.01% in favour of a UI, there is no longer a unionist majority, and therefore Norn Iron ceases to exist.

I'd say some lunatics would call for a boundary commission and look to make a smaller state.  They have a long way to go to Gibraltar size (6.8km2)

/Jim.

armaghniac

Quote from: Jim_Murphy_74 on April 10, 2018, 11:01:51 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on April 10, 2018, 10:57:29 AM
Well, the reason for Norn Iron existing was to contain a unionist majority. If there's a result of 50.01% in favour of a UI, there is no longer a unionist majority, and therefore Norn Iron ceases to exist.

I'd say some lunatics would call for a boundary commission and look to make a smaller state.  They have a long way to go to Gibraltar size (6.8km2)

/Jim.

They can keep Larne, if they really want.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Farrandeelin

Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2018, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 09, 2018, 11:01:20 PM
So Bertie Ahearn after saying on Newsnight that a border poll which throws up a 52-48 majority for a United Ireland would not be good enough.  What does he want, 60-40, 70-30 or the best of three ... when democracy is no longer democracy.
He's irrelevant and despised by most.
+1.

Going off tangent but what are people's thoughts about a mooted FF amalgamation with SDLP for future NI elections?
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haranguerer

Great to see AI parties in the north, can only help unification, regardless of potential increased split of nationalist vote

Rossfan

Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 10, 2018, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2018, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 09, 2018, 11:01:20 PM
So Bertie Ahearn after saying on Newsnight that a border poll which throws up a 52-48 majority for a United Ireland would not be good enough.  What does he want, 60-40, 70-30 or the best of three ... when democracy is no longer democracy.
He's irrelevant and despised by most.
+1.

Going off tangent but what are people's thoughts about a mooted FF amalgamation with SDLP for future NI elections?
I'd say a lot of Builders are rubbing their hands......
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

tiempo

Quote from: Farrandeelin on April 10, 2018, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: full moon on April 09, 2018, 11:24:40 PM
Quote from: balladmaker on April 09, 2018, 11:01:20 PM
So Bertie Ahearn after saying on Newsnight that a border poll which throws up a 52-48 majority for a United Ireland would not be good enough.  What does he want, 60-40, 70-30 or the best of three ... when democracy is no longer democracy.
He's irrelevant and despised by most.
+1.

Going off tangent but what are people's thoughts about a mooted FF amalgamation with SDLP for future NI elections?

Wouldn't be a unique development given the long established Tory/DUP axis. DUP basically the terrorist arm of the Tory party.