26 County General Election 2020

[five points]

The short version is, FF people mostly have their roots in Gaelic Ireland. FG supporters mostly trace their roots to the Norman invasion.

Typical McWilliams, finding an old wisdom that was on the go 40 years ago (it was always said to be the difference between Charlie Haughey and Garret Fitzgerald) and dressing it up as his own.

[five points]

The high number of twenty-something foreign-born workers renting apartments in the Dublin docklands have no interest in buying homes in Dublin. Nor have thousands of young Irish workers of the same age group.Getting rid of landlords means getting rid of these people.

Yes... because every one of them would rather pay twice the mortgage amount in rent instead.

Would you ever listen to yourself ffs.

Will you ever stop with the personal insults?

You really think that every single Irish twenty-something living the dream for a few years in Australia wants to lumber themselves with a huge mortgage for a house or apartment that they probably won't want in 5 years time?

[macdanger2]

The short version is, FF people mostly have their roots in Gaelic Ireland. FG supporters mostly trace their roots to the Norman invasion.

Typical McWilliams, finding an old wisdom that was on the go 40 years ago (it was always said to be the difference between Charlie Haughey and Garret Fitzgerald) and dressing it up as his own.

Tbf, Haughey was also a corrupt politician who created the brown envelope culture that endured in FF for 30 odd years. The history of corruption in FF is the reason I won't be voting for them although MM doesn't seem to have been involved in it himself

[armaghniac]

Haughey led FF off the right road. There remains a pre Haughey DNA in FF, which may have other shortcomings but it is not corrupt.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Haughey led FF off the right road. There remains a pre Haughey DNA in FF, which may have other shortcomings but it is not corrupt.

Bullshit. Dev was fond of a bung, he trousered Republicsn bonds and raised the Irish Press for personal gain. Taca was shaking down property developers in the 60s.

[Angelo]

Haughey led FF off the right road. There remains a pre Haughey DNA in FF, which may have other shortcomings but it is not corrupt.

Bullshit. Dev was fond of a bung, he trousered Republicsn bonds and raised the Irish Press for personal gain. Taca was shaking down property developers in the 60s.

Absolutely.

Dev was the arguably the biggest snake of the lot.

[Main Street]

FF and FG are a rare bunch....spent the last few days talking about who is the most anti Sinn Fein, peculiar election strategy esp since they are polling at such a large chunk of 1st preference votes youd think they'd be looking for their transfers.

Anyway I kind of have my own ideas on it but do any of our southern voters care to share what they think is the difference between FF and FG and why they'd vote for one over the other?

There is no difference really, martin is a slightly bigger dick than Leo in my mind. Policies are pretty much the same.

Yeah we all know  that they are the same but there must be some perceived differences. To me FG always came across as a bit snobby and intellectual whereas FF are more like cowboys for the common man.

Outside the FF & FG  traditional base of voters i'd say the public perception of any differences have  significantly diminished during the propped up government era and now both parties comically simulating ideological clashes and throwing snowballs at each other.
FF are peddling a subsidy of sorts for new house buyers which in the end just benefits their support base, the builders and property inflation.
The perception of an Ireland having done well under FG and a dormant FF is not finding traction with hard pressed middle income groups never mind the lower incomes. This could be an interesting election.

[Angelo]

The short version is, FF people mostly have their roots in Gaelic Ireland. FG supporters mostly trace their roots to the Norman invasion.

Typical McWilliams, finding an old wisdom that was on the go 40 years ago (it was always said to be the difference between Charlie Haughey and Garret Fitzgerald) and dressing it up as his own.

Tbf, Haughey was also a corrupt politician who created the brown envelope culture that endured in FF for 30 odd years. The history of corruption in FF is the reason I won't be voting for them although MM doesn't seem to have been involved in it himself

MM wasn't involved? Really?

It's amazing how the media have let this story slide away over the years without it properly being addressed.

Amazing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-need-to-talk-about-money-miche%C3%A1l-1.560262

[marty34]

FF and FG are a rare bunch....spent the last few days talking about who is the most anti Sinn Fein, peculiar election strategy esp since they are polling at such a large chunk of 1st preference votes youd think they'd be looking for their transfers.

Anyway I kind of have my own ideas on it but do any of our southern voters care to share what they think is the difference between FF and FG and why they'd vote for one over the other?

There is no difference really, martin is a slightly bigger dick than Leo in my mind. Policies are pretty much the same.

Yeah we all know  that they are the same but there must be some perceived differences. To me FG always came across as a bit snobby and intellectual whereas FF are more like cowboys for the common man.

Outside the FF & FG  traditional base of voters i'd say the public perception of any differences have  significantly diminished during the propped up government era and now both parties comically simulating ideological clashes and throwing snowballs at each other.
FF are peddling a subsidy of sorts for new house buyers which in the end just benefits their support base, the builders and property inflation.
The perception of an Ireland having done well under FG and a dormant FF is not finding traction with hard pressed middle income groups never mind the lower incomes. This could be an interesting election.

Yeah, both sides of the same coin this past few years so very hard for voters to tell what is the difference between them these days.  Is there any? 

Even in the general to-ing and fro-ing of this general election campaign, there doesn't seem to be any major animosity between them.  Their focus seems to be a joint effort to rebuke SF at every opportunity.

Best case is FG's ad of No to SF in government ad with all their big players saying a resounding no.  But they never thought it through as SF, Labour and the Greens have altered it to stuff like - Will FG build more houses if re-elected or will FG implement more environmentally friendly policies etc. to which all the hit hitters of FG say No, not a chance etc.  The PR king who never thought that ad campaign through won't be getting a bonus I'd say.

[macdanger2]

The short version is, FF people mostly have their roots in Gaelic Ireland. FG supporters mostly trace their roots to the Norman invasion.

Typical McWilliams, finding an old wisdom that was on the go 40 years ago (it was always said to be the difference between Charlie Haughey and Garret Fitzgerald) and dressing it up as his own.

Tbf, Haughey was also a corrupt politician who created the brown envelope culture that endured in FF for 30 odd years. The history of corruption in FF is the reason I won't be voting for them although MM doesn't seem to have been involved in it himself

MM wasn't involved? Really?

It's amazing how the media have let this story slide away over the years without it properly being addressed.

Amazing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-need-to-talk-about-money-miche%C3%A1l-1.560262

Wasn't aware of that, like you say it doesn't get much media attention. I guess anyone who was in FF during that period was probably in on it to a greater or lesser extent

[Itchy]

FF and FG are a rare bunch....spent the last few days talking about who is the most anti Sinn Fein, peculiar election strategy esp since they are polling at such a large chunk of 1st preference votes youd think they'd be looking for their transfers.

Anyway I kind of have my own ideas on it but do any of our southern voters care to share what they think is the difference between FF and FG and why they'd vote for one over the other?

There is no difference really, martin is a slightly bigger dick than Leo in my mind. Policies are pretty much the same.

Yeah we all know  that they are the same but there must be some perceived differences. To me FG always came across as a bit snobby and intellectual whereas FF are more like cowboys for the common man.

It's like I support man utd, you support liverpool. Its handed down from the civil war. All around there are FF families and FG families. It's no more complicated than that.

[Eamonnca1]

The short version is, FF people mostly have their roots in Gaelic Ireland. FG supporters mostly trace their roots to the Norman invasion.

Typical McWilliams, finding an old wisdom that was on the go 40 years ago (it was always said to be the difference between Charlie Haughey and Garret Fitzgerald) and dressing it up as his own.

Well this is the first I've heard of it.

[omaghjoe]

FF and FG are a rare bunch....spent the last few days talking about who is the most anti Sinn Fein, peculiar election strategy esp since they are polling at such a large chunk of 1st preference votes youd think they'd be looking for their transfers.

Anyway I kind of have my own ideas on it but do any of our southern voters care to share what they think is the difference between FF and FG and why they'd vote for one over the other?

There is no difference really, martin is a slightly bigger dick than Leo in my mind. Policies are pretty much the same.

Yeah we all know  that they are the same but there must be some perceived differences. To me FG always came across as a bit snobby and intellectual whereas FF are more like cowboys for the common man.

It's like I support man utd, you support liverpool. Its handed down from the civil war. All around there are FF families and FG families. It's no more complicated than that.

I think it is a wee bit more complicated than that.... as there is an obivious difference in the perceptions of the two and definitely a difference in who their core support is. So yes FF & FG were born out of the civil war but who fell on what side of the line and why really gets to the route of the divide

[five points]

The short version is, FF people mostly have their roots in Gaelic Ireland. FG supporters mostly trace their roots to the Norman invasion.

Typical McWilliams, finding an old wisdom that was on the go 40 years ago (it was always said to be the difference between Charlie Haughey and Garret Fitzgerald) and dressing it up as his own.

Well this is the first I've heard of it.

That's exactly how he operates.

[Baile Brigín 2]

The short version is, FF people mostly have their roots in Gaelic Ireland. FG supporters mostly trace their roots to the Norman invasion.

Typical McWilliams, finding an old wisdom that was on the go 40 years ago (it was always said to be the difference between Charlie Haughey and Garret Fitzgerald) and dressing it up as his own.

Tbf, Haughey was also a corrupt politician who created the brown envelope culture that endured in FF for 30 odd years. The history of corruption in FF is the reason I won't be voting for them although MM doesn't seem to have been involved in it himself

MM wasn't involved? Really?

It's amazing how the media have let this story slide away over the years without it properly being addressed.

Amazing.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/we-need-to-talk-about-money-miche%C3%A1l-1.560262

Wasn't aware of that, like you say it doesn't get much media attention. I guess anyone who was in FF during that period was probably in on it to a greater or lesser extent

When is the period where FF weren't bent?