Money, Dublin and the GAA

[AZOffaly]

On the 2017 spending list, I was surprised to see Limerick up in fifth place with €1.148 million.

Limerick played a grand total of four games in the 2017 senior championships - two hurling and two football - the lowest it's possible to play.

Yet there they are up in fifth place. €1.148 million is serious spending considering the teams' lack of success.

Now, as we all know, Limerick went on to win the 2018 All-Ireland hurling championship in superb style, playing eight games along the way.

So when the 2018 list is published, we can expect a hefty increase in Limerick's spending total for this year from the already hefty spending from the unsuccessful 2017.

Can we expect the usual suspects to thus claim that Limerick bought the All-Ireland?

Or does that spurious claim only apply to teams the usual suspects don't like, like Dublin?

Limerick DID buy the All Ireland. Everyone knows JP has been ploughing money into Limerick for years. The Academy structure in Limerick hurling is second to none. I suspect the reason people aren't more exercised about it is twofold.

1 - They've just won one. If they go on to destroy the competition largely because of the vast amounts invested, then it will be raised.
2 - It's HIS money. He can do what he likes with it. The GAA didn't suddenly decide they "need" a strong Limerick and plough millions of Central funds into their games development.

[sid waddell]

On the 2017 spending list, I was surprised to see Limerick up in fifth place with €1.148 million.

Limerick played a grand total of four games in the 2017 senior championships - two hurling and two football - the lowest it's possible to play.

Yet there they are up in fifth place. €1.148 million is serious spending considering the teams' lack of success.

Now, as we all know, Limerick went on to win the 2018 All-Ireland hurling championship in superb style, playing eight games along the way.

So when the 2018 list is published, we can expect a hefty increase in Limerick's spending total for this year from the already hefty spending from the unsuccessful 2017.

Can we expect the usual suspects to thus claim that Limerick bought the All-Ireland?

Or does that spurious claim only apply to teams the usual suspects don't like, like Dublin?

Limerick DID buy the All Ireland. Everyone knows JP has been ploughing money into Limerick for years. The Academy structure in Limerick hurling is second to none. I suspect the reason people aren't more exercised about it is twofold.

1 - They've just won one. If they go on to destroy the competition largely because of the vast amounts invested, then it will be raised.
2 - It's HIS money. He can do what he likes with it. The GAA didn't suddenly decide they "need" a strong Limerick and plough millions of Central funds into their games development.

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

[tonto1888]

This is a bit of a narrative destroyer.

Given some of the stuff we've heard from Ewan and Parky etc. over the last while, one would surely have expected Dublin to be way out in front at the top of this list, but they aren't even top of it.

Remember much of Dublin's spending goes on hurling too, whereas several counties near the top of this list pay no more than lip sevice to whichever is the weaker game in their county.

This is pure dross in the context of these numbers being totally cooked in many cases given the salaries of management team members are not included among many other types of under the table payments, inducements and freebies, let alone the fact most counties outside of Dublin pay exorbitant mileage expenses just to assemble their panel for training. Being a Dublin player or manager also brings with it significant financial rewards from sponsorship opportunities, increasing player retention and value to the individual beyond what other counties' personnel will ever have access to.

Nevermind the fact that to believe your line you have to assume that the millions upon millions of grant money given to Dublin did not benefit player and coach development in the county in any manner whatsoever. Since you have to then be of the opinion that money is an incredible waste in Dublin, why not give it to the rest and see what happens, eh?

Poor attempt, Sid. That exact same .jpg has been rubbished multiple times in this thread alone.

How come figure where Dublin don't spend the most money are dismissed out of hand but other figures are accepted without question

[Syferus]

Maybe because the grant money is officially announced by the GAA itself and is traceable?

[The Hill is Blue]

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.

[Syferus]

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.

The population of Dublin and the money it gets are a bit different too..

There is literally zero Dublin posters here willing to give an inch to the truth of the situation we now find ourselves in. That lack of grá for the well-being of the GAA itself above short term personal profit is frankly embarrassing.

[priceyreilly]

  It's everybody against the poor Dubs. They're getting treated worse than the blacks in the deep south of America. Why won't anyone give them a break? Or hang on a minute. Haven't Dublin being given millions of all of our money for over a decade? Haven't their footballers played every championship game at home bar 1 for over a decade? Haven't they had access to state of the art training facilities paid for by all of us? Haven't they been using one of the biggest stadiums in Europe as their home which was also paid for by all of us?

That makes it hilarious that the Dubs are playing the victims when they've been handed everything on a plate! Spoilt and entitled!

[sid waddell]

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.

Spot on.

The utter refusal to deal with the fact that Dublin have the best, most dedicated players in the land, and that many people at grass roots level worked their collective bolloxes off to develop not just those players but to put their clubs at the heart of urban communities,  shows a mindset which which is staggering in its myopia.

[CJ2017]

found this informative well balanced article (2016) from former Kerry player Mike Quirke about Games Promotion Officers at the time (now Games Development Administrators) and funding relating to Dublin, worth reading in my opinion.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/football/we-can-all-take-lessons-from-dublin-winning-blueprint-403728.html

[Dinny Breen]

Firstly he mentions bricks and mortar but conveniently skips over why Dublin don't do this. Secondly everyone here is acutely aware of the benefit of GDOs.

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Their work within schools and clubs, although unheralded, has also helped funnel elite younger players towards their development squads where they start to focus on playing together in the Dublin jersey

So since you think this is a wonderful article then you agree with this point about how the millions of GAA has helped the Dublin Senior football team! 

[Franko]

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.

Spot on.

The utter refusal to deal with the fact that Dublin have the best, most dedicated players in the land, and that many people at grass roots level worked their collective bolloxes off to develop not just those players but to put their clubs at the heart of urban communities,  shows a mindset which which is staggering in its myopia.

Childishly repeating it doesn't make it true.  It just makes you look a bit silly.

[Franko]

Firstly he mentions bricks and mortar but conveniently skips over why Dublin don't do this. Secondly everyone here is acutely aware of the benefit of GDOs.

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Their work within schools and clubs, although unheralded, has also helped funnel elite younger players towards their development squads where they start to focus on playing together in the Dublin jersey

So since you think this is a wonderful article then you agree with this point about how the millions of GAA has helped the Dublin Senior football team!

Cracking self-own.

[dublin7]

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Let's just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.

Spot on. The dubs have always been disliked by their country cousins and alot of people took great delight in their losing. Unfortunately for them the dubs have become so successful they can't laugh at them any more so instead they fire out rumour/innuendo and complete lies on the internet to try and belittle this team's achievements

[Rossfan]

Ahhh so they didn't get all that money, they don't all get a new car every 6 months, they don't get most of their Championship games at home,.......

[Farrandeelin]

It's the recent All Ireland final losses by a point each time that is annoying me. And the 'let's-all-belittle-Mayo' element of their support base which annoys me so much, and there's a good lot out there.