Down Club Hurling & Football

Started by Lecale2, November 10, 2006, 12:06:55 AM

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6th sam

Quote from: Square Ball on January 25, 2018, 04:43:07 PM
A one size fits all approach to not fulfilling fixtures is doomed to all sorts of appeals. No club sets out not to play them all, shit happens. With the best will in the world you may have 18 fellas who say they will play, but come meeting time 5 cant make it for one reason or another, sick, injured, family problems...... should clubs be penalised for this?

Yes.

There must be a sanction for dnf. There are valid reasons for postponement and this is accommodated for in the rules and via respectful cooperation between clubs. If clubs are allowed to dnf without sanction especially towards the end of the league it is unfair, on other innocent clubs who miss out on promotion or are dragged into a relegation dogfight as a result of these dnfs!
There are only 20-24 fixtures for div 3/4 clubs per year , clubs have a responsibility to their developing players to provide them with football matches, so should plan to ensure they can field for all matches

OgraAnDun

Cavan and Tipp with their teams announced for the weekend, what's the odds the Down team won't be named until at least 11pm on Saturday?

Targetman

More like 11am on Sunday morning, Irish News has game for 2.30, throw in @ 2pm for those of us travelling

Oldhacker

The fixtures list in today's paper definitely says that all Sunday's D2 games start at 2pm, with the only exception Roscommon v Meath at 2.30pm. Several counties named their teams last night so there is no reason why our line-up should not be released this evening at the latest. Delaying it any further suggests uncertainty on our part.

outinfront

This gets mentioned every year. Does it REALLY matter if we don't know who is playing til the day? We are gonna support the team any way, right? If that's the way Burns wants to do it then so be it.

Mike Tyson

Quote from: outinfront on January 26, 2018, 01:53:08 PM
This gets mentioned every year. Does it REALLY matter if we don't know who is playing til the day? We are gonna support the team any way, right? If that's the way Burns wants to do it then so be it.

I think it does yea. Say there were two Bredagh lads starting, surely if people knew this on Thursday for example, it would encourage more Bredagh supporters to go. Likewise for other clubs who haven't a history of county men representing them.

For championship games it probably wouldn't make a difference, but for league I think it would encourage supporters from a club to go if they knew their clubman was getting a run out.

thewobbler

I would go so far as to call it a cultural problem in Down (and in fairness, quite a few other counties too). Ross Carr for example seemed to believe that naming a team anything longer than 15 mins before throw in was a deplorable act, and Burns seems to be of the same mindset.

Why it's a cultural problem is twofold.

First, it would be genuinely good for club-county  relations if things were more transparent; not even from a supporter's perspective, but from an administration point of view. Club managers knowing their players won't be involved on a Wednesday  means they can plan properly for using them in club matches the Friday night.

Secondly, it is genuinely odd to have a belief that opposing county managers are second guessing your selection. Every county team has key man markers and their opponents have key playmakers, and they will realign their teams within a few minutes of throw in, (or even before that) to ensure those match-ups are in place. That's what's worked on in training and players will move according to their role and not their jersey number.

It's really not f**king rocket science, and if the basis of your game plan is regualrly playing key players out of position so as to try and win some Daily Mirror style mind battles with the opposite bainisteoir, you're doing your own team more harm than good.

OgraAnDun

It's just unprofessional - either on behalf of the management team, or the PRO who should be releasing it to the press. People want to talk about the team and see how it matches up to the opposition etc. It might generate a bit more publicity and interest in the games as well. AFAIK, the team needs to be sent to Croke Park on a Thursday, so it is picked by then, and the opposition county board need it to print the programmes - so the opposition manager will know it well in advance when Down are playing away. So the only people kept in the dark are fans and the media.

Smurfy123

No reason why the team can't be named after training whether it be the Thursday or Friday night.
If the big teams can do it why can't we?
As wobbler says it seems to be an on going thing in Down not to name teams squads at anytime
There was no official squad named for the McKenna cup
Does not surprise me as the PR in this county is nothing short of a shambles
The supporters are the ones loosing out here and nobody else
I'm sure the management have named the team to the players already?
Big match on Sunday for us.With the exception of the Monaghan game last year Burns reign as Down manager has been nothing short of terrible.
Here goes

Harrison
O Hagen
Murdock
Quinn
O Hanlon
Mcparland
Mooney
Turley
Poland
McKernan
Maginn
Millar
O Hagen
Harrison
Dornan

Looks a good team

Pity Joe Murphy could not commit with work he would have made that starting team.Suppose work has to come first



Any thoughts wobbler??


Mourne Rover

Smurfy is very harsh on Burns. His first year was a wipe-out for a number of reasons but keeping us in D2 last year was a creditable achievement and the championship wins over Armagh and Monaghan made it an excellent summer even if we were never likely to progress any further.

Hopefully Sunday's team will be named tonight. Darren O'Hagan was not involved in the McKenna Cup but we will obviously be stronger if he is available in Drogheda. The Louth side was released this morning so they seem confident enough about their position.

downjim

It's up on Facebook you crying shower

OgraAnDun

Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2018, 07:03:50 PM
Smurfy is very harsh on Burns. His first year was a wipe-out for a number of reasons but keeping us in D2 last year was a creditable achievement and the championship wins over Armagh and Monaghan made it an excellent summer even if we were never likely to progress any further.


Completely agree. 2016 was a disaster but we were never good enough for Div 1 and that just sapped all the confidence for the rest of the year. Getting to an Ulster Final was a decent turnaround, hopefully the trick is repeated this year (but hopefully not to the Super 8s unless we win an Ulster Final, because it would be like 2016 all over again).

SHEEDY

down team to play louth;

shane harrison

colm flanagan
gerard mcgovern
brendan mcardle

darragh o'hanlon
niall mcparland
anthony doherty

niall donnelly
connor poland

shay millar
connor maginn
caolan mooney

ronan millar
connaire harrison
aaron morgan
nil satis nisi optimum

Mourne Rover

McKernan must be injured and is a big loss but Donnelly's return at midfield is good news. Both Millars and both Harrisons start but both O'Hagan's are missing. Mooney's switch to the forwards is a bit of a surprise but it seems a decent team in the circumstances.

OgraAnDun

Quote from: Mourne Rover on January 26, 2018, 07:12:21 PM
McKernan must be injured and is a big loss but Donnelly's return at midfield is good news. Both Millars and both Harrisons start but both O'Hagan's are missing. Mooney's switch to the forwards is a bit of a surprise but it seems a decent team in the circumstances.

Will probably play McKernan's sweeper/free man role. Was very surprised to see him there as well until I realised that McKernan was missing.