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As a lifelong fan of Gaelic football I have seen and admired some great footballing dynasties each of whom at their peak looked as if they could go on forever. The first "unbeatable" team that I remember was three-in-a-row Galway of the mid-1960s. They were the epitome of class, and although Dublin fell victim to them a few times during those years I always admired their style and polished skills. The great Kerry team of the late 70s and 80s broke my heart many times as did the men of Meath in the late 80s and 90s. And then of course Kerry and Tyrone grabbed the initiative in the early 2000s. (God we were even beaten by Kildare then  ;))

Anyway, it's now our turn to be classed as unbeatable and I'm really enjoying it. So I've no hesitation in saying that my highlight of the championship was All Ireland Final day 2018.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Time to Split Dublin
« on: September 19, 2018, 12:09:08 AM »
A couple of questions - whatís a ďnormalĒ county and are you saying that the likes of Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc will never be able to compete with Dublin again?

A normal county is one within striking distance of the average population and where football is fairly popular, rather than only hurling.
Some of these counties will compete with Dublin some years, but that doesn't change the unfairness of the situation.

If youíre a county that can compete then compete. Otherwise amalgamate.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Time to Split Dublin
« on: September 18, 2018, 06:34:07 PM »
Adults playing football, stripping out the non-Dubs playing in Dublin, would be a better comparison. We'd still have the most, but the discrepancy wouldnt be near as high.

That's because Dublin clubs are a ridiculous size.


Comparing professional sports is actually a terrible comparison. Players can freely move clubs in professional sports therefore neutralising the population discrepancy.

yes and no. Big teams buy big players and these are in big cities in general.

How about amalgamating counties who feel they canít compete?

There are a range of counties of very broadly the same size; Kerry, Mayo, Meath, Tyrone etc  and there are some a bit smaller who compete well at times, like Monaghan or Offaly, and a few whose small population makes it difficult. If the smaller counties wish to combine there is a case for this. But they mostly affect themselves. Having one ridiculously big county undermines competition in the normal counties in a way that a few small counties do not.

But all this stuff about soccer and small counties does nothing to support Dublin's position, stop trying to divert debate .

A couple of questions - whatís a ďnormalĒ county and are you saying that the likes of Kerry, Mayo, Tyrone etc will never be able to compete with Dublin again?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Time to Split Dublin
« on: September 18, 2018, 05:51:05 PM »
The basic point here is that an increasing population requires the State to sub divide counties in Dublin.  Are those who defend Dublin arguing that the GAA should simply ignore an increasing population imbalance, no matter how great it becomes?

How about amalgamating counties who feel they canít compete?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Time to Split Dublin
« on: September 17, 2018, 03:26:13 PM »
"In 1994, Dublin was further subdivided with Dķn LaoghaireĖRathdown, Fingal and South Dublin, constituted as local government units."

You lads are making an absolute show of yourselves.


Donít feed the trolls. Dublin-hating has been a way of life since Kevin Heffernan was a boy. Let them stew in their own bile.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 12, 2018, 11:27:13 PM »

This just gets better.

By that yardstick Mayo have bought their way to competing at the top table for the last seven years.

Any team which gets success now is buying it, apparently.

The paranoia that permeates this worldview is mind boggling.

Letís just confront the elephant in the room. Since Dublin began to field native born teams in the 1950s there has been an mean begrudging resentment of Dublin football teams. This applied when Dublin were winning little or nothing and it has now reached a crescendo since the Dubs have begun to take their place at the top table.

Any Dublin supporter who has experienced this sneering resentment for as long as I have will see nothing new in this wave of irrational begrudgery. The only difference between now and the 1950s is that the begrudgers are now armed with keyboards and facilitated by the internet.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 11, 2018, 04:38:25 PM »
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I donít think heís the only one with an obsession..

Dublinís four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. Itís going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?
WTF??  ;D ;D ;D
Iím very much surprised at the tone of your recent last post. I always regarded you as one of the (few) logical  and reasonably well-balanced contributors from the Dublin side of the fence.Taking a cheap dig at Mayo isnít what Iíd expect from you. Mayo made you piss yourselves year after year as they kept coming back year after year.
There was no sign of Mayo choking last year when your side had to resort to pulling and dragging in the last few minutes of extra time to hang on and in the year's final before that when you also scraped by with just one point. In 2015, Mayo took you to a replay and you only managed to nose ahead in the last period of extra time.
And letís not forget that you beat Mayo by just one point on 2013 also. I canít help wondering what might have happened if Mayo and Dublin has switched places in any of those years.
However, all of this is of no use to anyone. I gave up taking this topic seriously a good while ago when it became very obvious what was inevitably going to happen.
I think the OTT reaction from Dublin sources in the wake of this yearís final shows me that any Dub supporter with an iota of cop on knows this too.
Retaliation first is the best form of defence, as the old saying goes but all the gibes and flag waving wonít alter the fact that the GAA is heading for financial ruin unless there is radical changes at the top and there is no sign of this happening.
Dublin county now has one third (or thereabouts) of the republicís population and govt.projections put this figure at over 40% before 2040.  All indications are that this will happen well before that date.

How long do you think this disparity between Dublin and the rest can keep on widening before the whole shebang goes belly up?

PS, If you read the latest from Joe Brolly and Eamon Sweeney (both liked above,)youíll get a more accurate account of whatís happening than you can expect from the likes of Ciaran Whelan
or David Hickey and the usual suspects.

Aside from all that Lar do you not accept that we are looking at the greatest manager and team of our lifetime. And if you do accept that isnít it churlish not to graciously acknowledge that simple fact?
Just for the record, I have always said that I don't begrudge Dublin their recent success. I can take issue with some of the stuff a number of their supporters post here but that is a seperate issue entirely.
I think it's fairly easy to comparemanagers from different eras. You can compare them by taking account of the way they manage the resources available to them and here I would give the nod to Jim Gavin as the best I have seen.
I doubt that his team would be anywhere as good as they undoubtedly are if he wasn't the man in charge.Put it another way, if gavin had been in charge of Mayo, I belive that they would have lost all of their last four AI finals.
That's why I can't say for definite that the present Dubs' side is the best I have seen. Micko once said that he couldn't say that either when he was asked the same question.
He felt that a team can't be judged against other teams from different eras and I accept what he had to say.
I'd be inclined to say the Dub team right now is the best I have seen but I couldn't say that for last year's team or any other time they met Mayo in an AI final.
Dublin should have been able to beat Mayo half way up Clonliffe Road, given their advantages in every conceivable way. 
IMO, the real difference between the two sides was the quality in depth of the respective benches. Gavin could put in players that would find a place on any other county in the land, whereas Rochford or Horan before him had sweet fa on hand that could compare with those available to Gavin.
However, Dublin are steadily burning off all opposition now that Mayo have been disposed of and I see no reason why they won't deserve to be regarded as the greatest I have seen at their present rate of progress.

Lar I agree with your comments about Dublinís performances in their two finals against Mayo. Both of those games could have gone either way and Dublinís bench probably swung it. Indeed I have no problem in accepting that Mayo could have won either or both of those games. Now that presents the appalling vista to some on this forum that Dublinís spectacular success was simply down to a once in a generation coming together of a group of extremely talented players along with a great management team. And like all good things this era will pass.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 10, 2018, 10:36:55 PM »
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I donít think heís the only one with an obsession..

Dublinís four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. Itís going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything?
WTF??  ;D ;D ;D
Iím very much surprised at the tone of your recent last post. I always regarded you as one of the (few) logical  and reasonably well-balanced contributors from the Dublin side of the fence.Taking a cheap dig at Mayo isnít what Iíd expect from you. Mayo made you piss yourselves year after year as they kept coming back year after year.
There was no sign of Mayo choking last year when your side had to resort to pulling and dragging in the last few minutes of extra time to hang on and in the year's final before that when you also scraped by with just one point. In 2015, Mayo took you to a replay and you only managed to nose ahead in the last period of extra time.
And letís not forget that you beat Mayo by just one point on 2013 also. I canít help wondering what might have happened if Mayo and Dublin has switched places in any of those years.
However, all of this is of no use to anyone. I gave up taking this topic seriously a good while ago when it became very obvious what was inevitably going to happen.
I think the OTT reaction from Dublin sources in the wake of this yearís final shows me that any Dub supporter with an iota of cop on knows this too.
Retaliation first is the best form of defence, as the old saying goes but all the gibes and flag waving wonít alter the fact that the GAA is heading for financial ruin unless there is radical changes at the top and there is no sign of this happening.
Dublin county now has one third (or thereabouts) of the republicís population and govt.projections put this figure at over 40% before 2040.  All indications are that this will happen well before that date.

How long do you think this disparity between Dublin and the rest can keep on widening before the whole shebang goes belly up?

PS, If you read the latest from Joe Brolly and Eamon Sweeney (both liked above,)youíll get a more accurate account of whatís happening than you can expect from the likes of Ciaran Whelan
or David Hickey and the usual suspects.

Aside from all that Lar do you not accept that we are looking at the greatest manager and team of our lifetime. And if you do accept that isnít it churlish not to graciously acknowledge that simple fact?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 10, 2018, 07:45:51 PM »
Where are Curtis & Crowe from? I always thought Roy Curtis was a Dub?

Apart from Ewan McKenna I've not read any article from a journalist or ex player who's had a huge pop at them with regards to the money unless I've missed it?

Eamon Sweeney

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/the-rest-are-playing-for-second-place-37297038.html

It only took him until the second paragraph. After embarrassing himself last year Sweeney is still obsessed with the former Mayo manager.

I donít think heís the only one with an obsession..

Dublinís four-in-row win was sweet but it gets sweeter by the day every time another begrudging misery comes on belittling the greatest manager and team that any one of us will ever see. Keep it up lads. Itís going to be a great winter watching you all fulminate till you make yourselves sick.

And roll on next Spring and the league when we start whipping you all again.

How much money do the likes of Mayo (the perennial chokers) or Kildare (the last of the big spenders) need to actually win anything? 

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 09, 2018, 03:21:38 PM »
A lovely humble guy

+1 , really humble . Hickey was involved up till last year ?  His personality shows the REAL down to earth humility of this Dublin team .

What do you know about David Hickey?  ::) ::) ::)

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 08, 2018, 01:10:32 PM »
Ciaran Whelan and Alan Brogan give their views on the anti-Dublin begrudges.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-the-truth-might-be-hard-to-take-for-some-but-theres-no-link-between-dublins-success-and-money-37293277.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Well said lads. We donít fight back enough.

Are you serious , I never read such inane drivel in all my life. Such a defensive tone too. 

Just keep kicking them balls and the all Ireland's will come.good man Alan makes sense.

Are Dublin a team of seriously talented footballers whose success would have come money or no money?
would they have developed in eg Offaly? or Cavan?
without all the same support and expertise that the Dublin CB can afford?

Would they have developed in Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Galway, Tyrone, Monaghan etc. ?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 08, 2018, 12:20:32 PM »
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Are Dublin a team of seriously talented footballers whose success would have come money or no money?

Thatís the key question that we will never know.

I rest my case.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 08, 2018, 11:55:21 AM »
Ciaran Whelan and Alan Brogan give their views on the anti-Dublin begrudges.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/ciaran-whelan-the-truth-might-be-hard-to-take-for-some-but-theres-no-link-between-dublins-success-and-money-37293277.html

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/alan-brogan-dublin-worked-slavishly-hard-for-their-allireland-successes-and-its-an-insult-to-attribute-it-to-money-37290634.html

Well said lads. We donít fight back enough.

Are you serious , I never read such inane drivel in all my life. Such a defensive tone too. 

Just keep kicking them balls and the all Ireland's will come.good man Alan makes sense.

Are Dublin a team of seriously talented footballers whose success would have come money or no money?

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GAA Discussion / Re: Money, Dublin and the GAA
« on: September 08, 2018, 10:41:34 AM »
Paddy Christie out in the papers as well

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dublin-empire-built-on-solid-structures-from-grassroots-up-1.3621868

they must all have got the same text!

Aside from that what did you think of the articles and the points they made - or did you even read the articles?

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