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GAA Discussion / Re: Your GAA highlight of 2017
« on: December 05, 2017, 08:45:36 AM »
My GAA highlight of 2017 is the emergence of Con O’Callaghan as the most promising dual star since Jimmy Barry Murphy.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Ulster football in the future
« on: November 10, 2017, 05:14:07 PM »
Living in Dublin and seeing how they've finally got their shit together from nursery stage up to senior I would indeed be worried about a huge dominance by the Dubs.
The days of the GAA being considered inferior and a bogman's ball game are long gone with me often meeting highly successful businessmen on a Sat morning with their U5 kid standing in a cold wet Sat morning.

The Dubs have always had the population and the home advantage but now they've got the money and organisational skills to really make it pay. They have been toying with Kerry now the last 6 years and beside Mayo who nobody can understand nobody else is coming close to them.
They've virtually changed their whole team since that 2011 win without much fuss and to me they peaked against Tyrone this year and didn't play that well in the final.

Of course teams will have bad days but with this new system coming in they can afford to have a bad day and still win Sam. Some will say it's still 15 v 15 and money can only do so much but to be the Dubs are head and shoulders above the rest and watch how they canter through the National league again in 2018 bringing in more new talented youngsters hungry for success.
I'd say Brogan and Connolly could be on their way out. Not a good time to be a Tyrone, Mayo or Kerry man living in the capital.

Why not enjoy it through your children?

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I think Manus is too focused on the game in Donegal. In the two Dublin semi-finals last weekend there was a total of eight goals and fifty two points scored. Also the blanket defence was well and truly found out in the hammering of Tyrone in the AI semi-final this year.

The abomination that was Donegal football is on it's last legs.

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Anything that develops hurling in Dublin can only be positive. I spent long enough up there in areas that never saw a hurl and if it wasn't for the efforts of the die-hards in clubs like O Tooles and Vincents and some teachers in National schools (often the same diehards) the game would be non-existent on the northside. Gaelscoileanna, particularly at second level gave it a great boost as did the forward-seeing decision to allow Dublin Schools play an amalgamated side in Leinster Colleges. The lure of football was as strong long before any development money was ever put into Dublin. So here's one man hoping that this is an enlightened decision and hoping to see a Dublin team contesting and winning an All-Ireland title in the next few years.

Pat Gilroy and the bags of money he has access to may improve the fortunes of the Dublin senior hurling team but will it fûck develop hurling in any real way.


Underage hurling in Dublin has progressed well over the past twelve years with the minors and U21s winning a number of Leinster titles. The challenge now is to maintain this progress and see the potential of the young players realised at senior level.

Since Dublin's hurlers have not appeared in a senior final since 1961 and have not won one since 1938 I would assume that all lovers of Gaelic games everywhere would wish the county well in their efforts.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Football Rule Changes
« on: October 02, 2017, 08:03:47 PM »
Financial Doping is the BIG Issue! F***ing S**tloads of money into one county and expecting all the rest to keep up with volunteers makes the whole thing farcical. Not to mention the HOME game farce we have to put up with every year.

Dublin are treated like royalty.

Some serious financial doping being done in Connaught, it a disgrace, wont some think of Leitrim please.

Mayo 1,632,448 compared to Leitrims  378,101. EUR

Crazy stuff.

Look, I know you're not the sharpest tool in the box and with the big step up into secondary school, things cant be easy for you but surely to god even you can figure out why a team who played in the championship over 3 months longer then the other may spend more money.

And that's simplifying it for you. I wouldn't even dare ask you to consider other expenses like underage team, players TRAVELLING to training, stays in Dublin for matches in croke park, etc etc.

Instead of all this money been pumped into Dublin GAA I think consideration should be put into spending a few more bob on the education system in the capital.

We Dubs may not match up to the academic excellence of the average Mayo man - but we are All Ireland champions   :P

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 30, 2017, 05:15:18 PM »
I'm only going by the TV clip, but was the Dubs' cynicism at the end as bad as suggested? I think Ciaran Kilkenny got involved with Keegan, possibly after noticing Keegan throw the GPS at Dean Rock. Other than that I don't see anything too outrageous. Then again, Cormac Costello was acting the maggot I suppose.

Well spotted. I was quite close to that incident.

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GAA Discussion / Re: We need to talk about Diarmuid
« on: September 30, 2017, 11:59:23 AM »
Claudine and Robbie Keane at Syls v Vincent's game. Claudine's brother was playing for Syls.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sportsfile/status/913851501268922368/photo/1


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The first unbeatable team I was aware of was Kerry.

The first unbeatable team that I was aware of was Galway 1964/1966.  ;)

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Barney Rock goal v Galway 1983

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck1Gncwz96M

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Are you mad? ""The Dubs are winning because of money" argument doesn't stack up imo. They have won 6 Sams since 1990. "

4 or 5 of them are in the last 6 or 7 years. It absolutely correlates with the revamped approach to Dublin. And the once in the lifetime group of players are slowly being eroded. Bernard Brogan, Diarmuid Connolly, MDMA were all peripheral this year. Cluxton is probably the only real cog from back then, and he's a goalkeeper.

It has become a given among some posters on this forum that Dublin are winning "because of money" when of course there are many factors which can contribute towards the emergence of a successful senior football team. Factors which include:

- Quality of strategic planning and leadership at County Board level
- Active participation by parents at juvenile level
- Dedicated school teachers promoting Gaelic games
- A long-term underage player development strategy
- Participation and leadership by ex-players at club level in encouraging juvenile participation in Gaelic games.
- Quality of the management of under-age and senior county teams.
- Availability of some extraordinarily gifted players.
- Relative weakness of other counties at a given time.
- Luck (without this many of the above factors just don't matter).   

Who is to say (or prove) which factor or combination of factors might contribute most to the emergence of a successful team?

Some people are pointing to the fact that Dublin's newer players are evidence that there is something different and new about the emergence of this Dublin team. But it has often been the case that very successful teams generate such an interest among the next generation of players that a number of gifted young players will emerge. There are many examples:

After most of the great Dublin team of the 1950s had retired gifted young players like Des Foley, Mickey Whelan, Paddy Holden and Simon Behan brought Dublin the Sam Maguire in 1963.

The Dublin team of the 70s made way for players like John O'Leary, Ciaran Duff, Barney Rock and Joe McNally, winners in 1983.

The great Meath team of the late 80s was supplemented by players such Graham Geraghty, Trevor Giles, Tommy Dowd and Darren Fay to win in 1996 and 1999.

So the emergence of talented young players on the coattails of a great team is quiet normal and not an indication of a seismic change in anything.   

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The first unbeatable team I was aware of was Kerry. The second was Liverpool. The third was Shamrock Rovers. And the greatest of these was Shamrock Rovers. Because they were the biggest fish in the smallest pond and they kept on winning. They had an engine that consisted of Byrnes. You would get a pain in your hole listening to Philip Green reporting on them. Eventually the regime collapsed.

Liverpool were a machine. They could win European Cups. You could get Liverpool pyjamas in Galway. That is how good they were. If someone had gone into the playground and said Liverpool would not win the league for 25 years all the lads would have laughed. Ha ha. Very funny.

Kerry won 4 in a row but suffered 2 ambushes in 82 and 83. You were watching the 82 final with your father. The goal was unbelievable. It was like the 96 hurling final. If Offaly are in the mood they can do that sort of thing. Bring a team down to earth.

The 83 mess allowed the Dubs to win a rare Sam.
Kerry came back for another 3 but they could go no further. They were useless in the early 90's.  That is why the Ulster teams could make hay.

Anyone who thinks Dublin will reign for ever and ever hallelujah hallelujah should read up on Prussia. Hegemony is never permanent. Only stupidity is permanent.

Absolutely correct
You got it in one!
 God love poor Seafóid, he is living up to his name. HIs analogies are colourful but very wide of the mark.
Unless the political and economic faces of Ireland change very dramatically, Dublin will keep getting stronger in every sense while gap between it and the rest of the country will continue to widen.
It was a case of primus inter pares, first among equals, for the examples he quoted but when it comes to Dublin vs The Rest, there is one very important difference: Greater Dublin has 40% of the Republic’s population right now but official estimates expect that percentage to rise to 50% by 2040.
Along with its 40% of the people, Dublin has 50% of the nation’s resources, according to Simon Coveney, and the imbalance will continue to increase as time goes by.
One team to represent half the country’s population is unlikely to be toppled from its preeminent position any time soon.

The arguement that Dublin's population "advantage" will inevitably result in them monopolising the football championship is not supported by the evidence. Just look at the relative strengths of the county teams around the country and compare these to their populations.

If we accept that Mayo is the strongest/second strongest team in the country, look at the counties south of the border with bigger populations (apart from Dublin) who are rated below them:

Cork
Galway
Kildare
Limerick
Meath
Tipperary
Donegal
Wexford
Kerry
Wicklow

Bigger populations don't in themselves lead to better teams.




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GAA Discussion / Re: Ladies GAA Finals
« on: September 24, 2017, 03:33:19 PM »
COYGIB

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 24, 2017, 02:56:43 PM »
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.

Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.

I presume Gavin has devoted countless hours over the last year to winning an AI title with Dublin and last Sunday was the culmination of all this work. The season was over, he could have been a bit more open in his interviews but instead it was like he was still reading from a pre prepared script. Cluxton the same. If you can't enjoy the moment after a long season then ultimately what is the point. It was almost like Monday was the first day of next season and he didn't want to let his guard down again. Don't get me wrong I admire Gavin and he has done a remarkable job but if they want to be a team that the public can really enjoy and relate to then there has to be room for a little self expression from his players. Instead they appear to be living in a bubble of over professionalism.


I can assure you that Dublin supporters are very happy with the way Dublin players and management present themselves. These lads are not circus ponies who should be expected to perform for the media whenever required.

Dublin supports prefer to focus on the magnificent achievements of their extraordinary team.
Dublin are not Melchester Rovers. They are something duller. If Carlsberg made boring it would be Cluxton.

I'd like to see you stand up in front of eighty thousand people in Croke Park. I suspect that like most of us you wouldn't sparkle. It's a pity that you can't focus on the fact that Stephen Cluxton is one of the most influential footballers of our generation - or is that too hard for you to acknowledge?

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GAA Discussion / Re: All Ireland Football Final 2017 Mayo V Dublin
« on: September 24, 2017, 01:27:35 PM »
A week on from the match and it's just about fading from the memory but then I'm not from Mayo so I imagine that it will take a while longer to get over that defeat. The wooden reaction from Dublin to winning, the cynicism and lack of emotion from management is hard to fathom. I've always admired this Dublin team for the way they play the game but I do agree that they are becoming too formulaic, robotic and frankly uniteresting away from football. It's like they are in an army and have become institutionalised. They have become a team to be admired yet not loved. Mayo on the other hand, although they lost the match, won the hearts and minds of the public even more after last Sunday and I hope when the dust settles that they give it one last collective push to win an AI title.

Wooden reaction? Would you rather Jim Gavin ran on to the field and completely ignored Rockford? Would you rather they didn't commiserate with the Mayo lads? You say wooden I say respectful.

I presume Gavin has devoted countless hours over the last year to winning an AI title with Dublin and last Sunday was the culmination of all this work. The season was over, he could have been a bit more open in his interviews but instead it was like he was still reading from a pre prepared script. Cluxton the same. If you can't enjoy the moment after a long season then ultimately what is the point. It was almost like Monday was the first day of next season and he didn't want to let his guard down again. Don't get me wrong I admire Gavin and he has done a remarkable job but if they want to be a team that the public can really enjoy and relate to then there has to be room for a little self expression from his players. Instead they appear to be living in a bubble of over professionalism.


I can assure you that Dublin supporters are very happy with the way Dublin players and management present themselves. These lads are not circus ponies who should be expected to perform for the media whenever required.

Dublin supports prefer to focus on the magnificent achievements of their extraordinary team.

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