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Something that was posted on another thread:

We'll be up against three counties from Ulster on Saturday

Just wondering if the Tyrone / Monaghan fans will be supporting their neighbours on Saturday?? I would have thought that they will as there wouldn't be much antagonism between Donegal and either of the others

We might scrap like cats amongst ourselves but when faced with a challenge from cocky southerners we usually present a united front

We'll bring a few Basque Flags to make ye ''Northerners'' more at home with the enemy! 

That's class!

That Scott Walker is such a coward BTW. Does not even have the guts to condemn Trump's comments about women. If it was a Democrat that said those things, he'd be all over it, indignant with "outrage".

Most American politicians are such worms.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/06/an-unarmed-white-teen-was-shot-dead-by-police-his-family-asks-where-is-the-outrage/?postshare=5691438959904493

I think this is a fairly good example of the media bias. If this lad was black he would be all over the news. Unarmed teen shot while his girlfriend ate ice cream in the car beside him....

Not part of the agenda the Media wants us to hear so it's buried somewhere....

Is the issue not the frequency with which it happens? Are whites routinely targeted by police like minorities, especially blacks are? I've never been stopped and frisked in NYC. I guarantee you if I was black, I would have been, probably at least several times. I don't think anyone has ever said that white people are never wrongly killed or assaulted by police. Its an issue of proportion.

Well having considered it again this highlights the reluctance maybe of the media to showcase more police brutality? I'm very torn on it all.
There's definitely bias from the police towards black people. No doubt. But there is some crazy situations where your life is or could be on the line and calls have to be made. I don't know given the circumstances which I would choose. Shoot or be shot... Actually I do know - I would shoot, selfishly, I would shoot. I'm not saying all of these cases are cut and dry and the officer had every right to shoot.

In the case of this young lad it was foolish to drive at a cop. The cop could have jumped - responding with lethal force wasn't the answer....

But it isn't being showcased at the minute as it doesn't fit into the media's agenda.  Living in different parts of the country you can see a real bias. In Seattle everything is pro gay. No mention of Planned Parenthood, or anything moderately religious on the news. Unless its misquoting Pope Francis.... nothing of real note but the new rainbow crosswalks we had installed by the gay mayor for tens of thousands of dollars a pop....

Its been covered by the NY Times and the WP, among numerous others. Hardly being ignored. And as the Times story comments, part of the lack of impact has to do with the lack of video footage, like in the Garner and several of the other high profile black killings.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/08/us/questions-arise-after-police-kill-a-white-teenager-zachary-hammond.html?_r=0

As for Seattle, just what religious issues do you feel should be making the news? And what is wrong with pro-gay coverage? Are you looking for anti-gay stories or editorializing? And the Pope gets tonnes of coverage, unless you're saying that his views on climate change, divorcees, poverty and so on are being misrepresented?

Trump is an arrogant w**ker and is dead man walking, he will not get close to running against the Clintonator, you just know she has the dems ticket in the bag.

I dunno, money talks:

Even though he got most speaking time, that was probably down to the amount of time he got when  responding to all the gotcha questions.  Not a fan at all, but all things considered he handled the questions very well

Just because the audience cheered when he said he was only talking about Rosie O'Donnell being fat and disgusting doesn't mean he handled it well (and the idea of man who looks like Trump putting down the appearances of others just shows how arrogant and unself-aware he is). He's really covered himself in glory since, insinuating that Megan Kelly was on her time of the month!

Loving it though. Hope he gets the nomination!!

As an exercise in observing a group of narcissists try to outdo each other, it was fascinating.

But considering it is supposed to be an exercise to select a US presidential candidate, it was terrifying.

And the worst is yet to come, we havent even seen those b**tard democrats yet.

This administration is one of the scariest administrations of all time!

Seriously?

Coming hot on the heels of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld its one of the scariest?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/06/an-unarmed-white-teen-was-shot-dead-by-police-his-family-asks-where-is-the-outrage/?postshare=5691438959904493

I think this is a fairly good example of the media bias. If this lad was black he would be all over the news. Unarmed teen shot while his girlfriend ate ice cream in the car beside him....

Not part of the agenda the Media wants us to hear so it's buried somewhere....

Is the issue not the frequency with which it happens? Are whites routinely targeted by police like minorities, especially blacks are? I've never been stopped and frisked in NYC. I guarantee you if I was black, I would have been, probably at least several times. I don't think anyone has ever said that white people are never wrongly killed or assaulted by police. Its an issue of proportion.

Not sure how seriously to take this with Lacey and Eamon McGee back in. I'd imagine there might be some fitness tests still to do tomorrow afternoon.

And Hugh McFadden, so good they (RTE) named him twice!

Declan Walsh should be 22

1 Paul Durcan
2 Paddy McGrath 3 Neil McGee 4 Eamon McGee
5 Ryan McHugh 6 Karl Lacey 7 Frank McGlynn
8 Neil Gallagher 9 Martin McElhinney
10 Martin O'Reilly 11 Odrán MacNiallais 12 Mark McHugh
13 Paddy McBrearty 14 Michael Murphy 15 Colm McFadden

Replacements 16 Marc Anthony McGinley 17 Anthony Thompson 18 Éamonn Doherty 19 Christy Toye 20 David Walsh 21 Hugh McFadden 22 Hugh McFadden 23 Leo McLoone 24 Gary McFadden 25 Ciarán McGinley 26 Eoin Bán Gallagher

Kasich has always seemed reasonable, going back to his time on Fox News and in congress. Christie is too much of a bully and a preening grandstander for me. Its as if he can't abide being held to account by voters to have the temerity to question him.

I was actually impressed by the Fox moderators in the bit I saw (except for the last god question, but I guess that's their audience). Asked some pointed questions, especially of Trump, and he couldn't handle it.

Did the birth cert stuff come up? Given the GOP's and especially  Trumps shameless trolling on the issue when it came to Obama, there's been little word of it WRT Cruz.

Apparently Liverpool are going to win the PL this year
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/nine-reasons-liverpool-will-definitely-win-the-premier-league-690066.html
According to the Irish Examiner

"The more than capable Dejan Lovren..."

Capable of what??

Well argued article 

Hope I am wrong, but it's Mayo by six for me. Too many lulls in our play this year.

2-14 to 1-11

On your earlier quote Iceman:

"If we alter our process, and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, we can make it part of the budget that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this. It's all just a matter of line items."

"no alteration of the timing, method, or procedures used to terminate the pregnancy was made solely for the purposes of obtaining the tissue"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/289g-1

That does appear to be illegal, and it should be investigated.

So that may be a black mark against PP from those videos, assuming it wasn't just this woman talking and nothing more.

Believe me, $100 for a "specimen" of any type of human sample is minimally covering cost. Considering you'll pay up to $1000 for a 10 ml vial of monkey blood, or $31,000 for a 120ml vial of rabbit vitreous humor - If Planned Parenthood were in business to "sell fetal tissues", they are sucking big time. FFS a World Courier overnight biologically packaged shipment will run you anywhere from $500 to $2,500 depending on destination.

Hate them because you don't agree with abortion. Don't buy into a set up.

I don't think they are in business to sell baby parts - I think it's a side income. Like popcorn at movie theaters. With all due respect I don't think you called young Puck a fetus while she was in her Mother's womb so lets use the word "baby" and give the child something here fair enough?

They are a manipulative outfit. They talk women in to abortions. They convince women they don't have an option. I've sat and listened to some women who went through it with them - unfortunately some of them went through with it and thankfully others didn't but Planned Parenthood are not the Girl Scouts (even thought they sponsor them).....

The company that is collecting "specimens" from Planned Parenthood would surely sell it on to research labs/companies at a profit? I highly doubt the man who owns the monkeys from which the blood is extracted is being paid $1000? Raw materials to finished products, there is a mark up all along the way.

I'm not buying in to a set up - I know who PP. Please don't buy in to a cover up.

But again, there is no proof of any "income". Just covering costs. Maybe it will be there in the remaining videos, but I doubt it.

And the middle man stuff is a separate issue to PP. If there is something illegal going on there, then of course it should be investigated. Is the middle man supposed to be non-profit? If the US religious right has a problem with this, then I will await their objections to the billion-dollar weapons and war industry.

As for those you know who've been through it, in what context did you hear their stories? How many?

If the funding is pulled for them, I'd love to know where all these low-income Medicaid women are going to go for their reproductive healthcare (and yes, the vast majority of PP's work is routine day-to-day womens' health stuff, same as the Well Women clinic or what have you at home). The Republicans are certainly going to do nothing for them.

It's all the media!
Nobody gave a shit about the confederate flag until the media told us to. Nobody gave a shit about Cecil the Lion until the Media told us to.

A child gets burned to death in Palestine.....crickets.....planned parenthood are selling the parts of aborted babies.....nothing to see here.....

The issue with the media is that they quickly move on to the next story, NOT that they hype up a single story per se. For something like the confederate flag, it was always going to take some tragedy to kickstart the movement.  Same with gun control. Or environmental legislation. Change always needs a poster child.

You could argue that these selectively edited Planned Parenthood videos are designed to do just that. (And it has been all over the news the last three weeks,  but the hype about what is supposedly in the videos has not panned out, hence it fading - I've yet to see anything to suggest they are selling body parts)

you have yet to see it because it isn't being reported.The judge who blocked the investigators from pursuing the investigation turned out to be the husband of a pro-abortion campaigner!
Since the videos were released (shocked you contest the content and what they point out) several states have scapped their funding -states like Florida have investigated Planned Parenthood and discovered they were performing illegal late term abortions and have fined them. They also have fined them for not keeping a log (no evidence) of how they have disposed od the body parts....

You downplay all these things as just another story but they arent  - 19 women executed by ISIS for not having sex with the soldiers - Christian executed every week - Zimbabwe people less in need than a Lion but we're more focused on what the media says is important this week - its rarely real news - we will be watering crops with Gatorade soon - electrolytes!

If they are being blocked, why have five videos been released, including one earlier this very week?? And I even heard on an NPR report the word "selling " used,  as if it were fact. Yet nothing in the five films so far supports that. All I can see/hear are discussions about covering costs, with no profit discussed anywhere. Until evidence of that turns up, this looks like nothing more than trumped up charges and a dishonest right wing capitalizing on it.

I wouldn't mind, but objecting to abortion and the use of foetal tissue for research is something that a fair minded person could make a strong, honest, argument for.  Why not do it on those terms, instead of the usual intellectually dishonest bullshit you get from the religious right?

And what does states pulling funding have to do with it? All it proves is that this issue is a political football,  which we already knew. As for Florida,  those centers got done for second term abortions without the proper license. Don't see ANYTHING about selling foetal remains.

An injunction of sorts was placed after 4 videos and the 5th one was released despite that.
I find it hard to understand your view and defense of Planned Parenthood in light of the videos. Its clear from the multiple conversations that Planned Parenthood are offering organs and $100 per specimen was mentioned multiple times. What more evidence do you need that some form of "selling: has and is occurring? Yes Planned Parenthood can dance around terms but it's a donate $10 and get a free car-wash deal.....

A fair minded person could make an argument for abortion and the "donation" of organs? Have you seen an abortion happen? Do you know what tools are used? Can you begin to imagine what is going on when a baby is being held in position so as not to damage a heart, a liver or a kidney while it is being harvested? Can you imagine what it means to abort a baby "whole" ? The 5th video talks about it specifically!
"If we alter our process, and we are able to obtain intact fetal cadavers, we can make it part of the budget that any dissections are this, and splitting the specimens into different shipments is this. It's all just a matter of line items."
I'm not sure where you are going with this J70?

1. I did not argue FOR abortion or use of foetal tissue for research.  Read it again.  I thought it was clear that I saying a legitimate argument can be made without the hype and misrepresentation.
2. Have you no clue about tissue preservation and shipping costs and so on when it comes to biological specimens?
3.You are the one who introduced the topic.

And Iceman,  on your second point,  don't you think the media hype reflects what interests people? They're into ratings. The lion story arose out a viral internet story. Same as Trayvon Martin and Eric Garner. When ISIS kills another American, then the public will care. Same as this time next week, the average American won't give a shit about endangered wildlife, especially if charismatic species are not involved. And in a few weeks no one will give a shit about the Planned Parenthood "outrage" because the politicians and talk radio will have milked it dry and moved on.

It's all the media!
Nobody gave a shit about the confederate flag until the media told us to. Nobody gave a shit about Cecil the Lion until the Media told us to.

A child gets burned to death in Palestine.....crickets.....planned parenthood are selling the parts of aborted babies.....nothing to see here.....

The issue with the media is that they quickly move on to the next story, NOT that they hype up a single story per se. For something like the confederate flag, it was always going to take some tragedy to kickstart the movement.  Same with gun control. Or environmental legislation. Change always needs a poster child.

You could argue that these selectively edited Planned Parenthood videos are designed to do just that. (And it has been all over the news the last three weeks,  but the hype about what is supposedly in the videos has not panned out, hence it fading - I've yet to see anything to suggest they are selling body parts)

you have yet to see it because it isn't being reported.The judge who blocked the investigators from pursuing the investigation turned out to be the husband of a pro-abortion campaigner!
Since the videos were released (shocked you contest the content and what they point out) several states have scapped their funding -states like Florida have investigated Planned Parenthood and discovered they were performing illegal late term abortions and have fined them. They also have fined them for not keeping a log (no evidence) of how they have disposed od the body parts....

You downplay all these things as just another story but they arent  - 19 women executed by ISIS for not having sex with the soldiers - Christian executed every week - Zimbabwe people less in need than a Lion but we're more focused on what the media says is important this week - its rarely real news - we will be watering crops with Gatorade soon - electrolytes!

If they are being blocked, why have five videos been released, including one earlier this very week?? And I even heard on an NPR report the word "selling " used,  as if it were fact. Yet nothing in the five films so far supports that. All I can see/hear are discussions about covering costs, with no profit discussed anywhere. Until evidence of that turns up, this looks like nothing more than trumped up charges and a dishonest right wing capitalizing on it.

I wouldn't mind, but objecting to abortion and the use of foetal tissue for research is something that a fair minded person could make a strong, honest, argument for.  Why not do it on those terms, instead of the usual intellectually dishonest bullshit you get from the religious right?

And what does states pulling funding have to do with it? All it proves is that this issue is a political football,  which we already knew. As for Florida,  those centers got done for second term abortions without the proper license. Don't see ANYTHING about selling foetal remains.