County Manager Merry go round

[GTP]

How many provincial titles would this Derry team have won if they were in Leinster? Strange to use that sort of logic to try to portray Derry as superior to Louth.

And how many All Ireland wins would Tyrone have without Mickey Harte's management?

On the assumption your reference was to Louth being bigger and better than Derry because of their three All Irelands. I have simply pointed out that on the basis of this season Derry out performed them in every competition in which both sides competed. Most people would regard that as indicating Derry are currently a better team than Louth. But if you genuinely believe three All Irelands, the last of which was in 1957 are more relevant you are perfectly entitled to that opinion.
Or if you are discussing the 3 Tyrone All Irelands won under Mickey Harte you can correct me on my assumptions.

[tyrone08]

Harte got 18 years in the Tyrone job, 13 after his last All Ireland, so not like he was forced out before his time a lá Eamonn Coleman. Greatest Tyrone manager ever but it was time to hand over the reins.

Moving to a neighbouring county for a chance of success, and a few quid no doubt, was always going to rankle with his own people - when Sean Cavanagh/Conor McKenna/Kyle Coney spoke to AFL teams he was always quick to bring up loyalty and playing your own game for your own people. Does this not apply to management also?

I couldn't see McGeeney manage Tyrone, or Jim Gavin manage Kerry - or Harte's predecessor in Tyrone, Big Art McRory go to manage a rival - that's a measure of loyalty to your own in my opinion. With Harte it feels like it's more about himself proving a point than loyalty to his own county.

This is 100% spot on. Mickey convinced many of player to commit to tyrone out of loyalty. First chance he gets he goes to a main rival.

Like a typical religious zealot he is as two faced as they come.

Mickey only cares that he is always right even when the evidence shows hes not.

Using one of the reasons Tyrone landed 3 All Irelands is a strange stick to beat the man with! You should be applauding the man for this.

It is a simple point of pratice what you preach. No point in talking about loyalty etc etc and then go and do the opposite.

Bit like practicing turn the other cheek and forgiveness etc then hold a bitter grudge against a county board getting rid of you when your Contract was up.

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Harte got 18 years in the Tyrone job, 13 after his last All Ireland, so not like he was forced out before his time a lá Eamonn Coleman. Greatest Tyrone manager ever but it was time to hand over the reins.

Moving to a neighbouring county for a chance of success, and a few quid no doubt, was always going to rankle with his own people - when Sean Cavanagh/Conor McKenna/Kyle Coney spoke to AFL teams he was always quick to bring up loyalty and playing your own game for your own people. Does this not apply to management also?

I couldn't see McGeeney manage Tyrone, or Jim Gavin manage Kerry - or Harte's predecessor in Tyrone, Big Art McRory go to manage a rival - that's a measure of loyalty to your own in my opinion. With Harte it feels like it's more about himself proving a point than loyalty to his own county.

This is 100% spot on. Mickey convinced many of player to commit to tyrone out of loyalty. First chance he gets he goes to a main rival.

Like a typical religious zealot he is as two faced as they come.

Mickey only cares that he is always right even when the evidence shows hes not.

Using one of the reasons Tyrone landed 3 All Irelands is a strange stick to beat the man with! You should be applauding the man for this.

It is a simple point of pratice what you preach. No point in talking about loyalty etc etc and then go and do the opposite.

Bit like practicing turn the other cheek and forgiveness etc then hold a bitter grudge against a county board getting rid of you when your Contract was up.

For someone who ates the alter rails, Mickey does love to hold a grudge. Ask RTE.

[NormPeterson]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

As I said before, Tyronies upset show there entitlement almost in every post. Derry are better, your entitlement can't allow you see it. Derry are close, Harte knows it, your entitled mind set prevents you from knowing it. I hope Derry draw Tyrone so we illustrate once again we have a better team.

If Eamonn Coleman took over the reigns in Tyrone when they were a coming team I don't think you would be showing your entitlement if it annoyed you a bit. It's natural. The rivalries are what make the GAA, Tyrone and Derry will always have a healthy disdain. I don't think it sits that well in either county tbh. Derry are a better team than Tyrone right now but I would be stunned if Harte gets them over the line for the big one.

That isn't really an equal comparison as Eamonn Coleman's father was from Ardboe, Tyrone so he could have gotten away with managing them. Although I think he still hated the Tyrone football team.
Also former Derry manager Paddy Crozier also had a Tyrone father, from Moortown.

[NormPeterson]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

Louth won All Ireland's in 1910, 1912 and 1957. Winning All Ireland's 100 years ago shouldn't even be compared to winning them now. Football is a different game, it is much more competitive and there are far more games.
It is like saying Antrim are more successful because they have more Ulster's than Derry. Most of their titles came over 100 years ago and in one occasion they were awarded the title because they were the only team who entered. You can't seriously claim winning an Ulster title in 1912 is the same as winning one now?

[NormPeterson]

I personally don't care about having Harte as manager although I do worry he may be the wrong choice football wise. Tyrone people seem to be more worked up than Derry people. They have 4 All Ireland's and they still are steeped in bitterness, there is no pleasing them.
I can remember Harte giving a talk at my school, it was something about religion. I also remember him bringing Sam Maguire into the school as we had some Tyrone pupils. He could end up bringing Sam back to that school over the next few years.

[ClubScene13]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

As I said before, Tyronies upset show there entitlement almost in every post. Derry are better, your entitlement can't allow you see it. Derry are close, Harte knows it, your entitled mind set prevents you from knowing it. I hope Derry draw Tyrone so we illustrate once again we have a better team.

If Eamonn Coleman took over the reigns in Tyrone when they were a coming team I don't think you would be showing your entitlement if it annoyed you a bit. It's natural. The rivalries are what make the GAA, Tyrone and Derry will always have a healthy disdain. I don't think it sits that well in either county tbh. Derry are a better team than Tyrone right now but I would be stunned if Harte gets them over the line for the big one.

That isn't really an equal comparison as Eamonn Coleman's father was from Ardboe, Tyrone so he could have gotten away with managing them. Although I think he still hated the Tyrone football team.
Also former Derry manager Paddy Crozier also had a Tyrone father, from Moortown.

Forgive me I couldn't think of a better comparison from the list of Derry All Ireland winning managers....

[shawshank]

The entitlement is strong in this one

[trueblue1234]

I personally don't care about having Harte as manager although I do worry he may be the wrong choice football wise. Tyrone people seem to be more worked up than Derry people. They have 4 All Ireland's and they still are steeped in bitterness, there is no pleasing them.
I can remember Harte giving a talk at my school, it was something about religion. I also remember him bringing Sam Maguire into the school as we had some Tyrone pupils. He could end up bringing Sam back to that school over the next few years.

Wouldn't say worked up. I for one am enjoying watching Derry ones engage in some mental gymnastics. This appointment has already got off to a good start. 😂

[Derryman forever]

I cant see the problem.
Outside of any obligation Mickey had to louth he can go where he likes

[imtommygunn]

I honestly think it's as good an appointment as derry could have got. He may not bring them forward but I think he has as good a chance as anyone. I honestly believe a lot of defensive football he played with tyrone in later years was to do with the players they had at those times.

However I would say he really let Louth down.

[the goal was on]

Definitely as good an appointment as they could have got once o rourke turned it down. When you seen what happened with donegal last year its actually a great appointment.

[tyrone08]

I honestly think it's as good an appointment as derry could have got. He may not bring them forward but I think he has as good a chance as anyone. I honestly believe a lot of defensive football he played with tyrone in later years was to do with the players they had at those times.

However I would say he really let Louth down.

The same players who tyrone won the all ireland with? Mickey wasted a huge amount of talent with defensive football sparky, mccurry etc

[imtommygunn]

I think he'd a big part in that AI tbh.

[Derryman forever]

I think he'd a big part in that AI tbh.

Their form since would suggest so.