County Manager Merry go round

[square_ball]

'Hounded out' is a strange way to put it when in 2019 he agreed on one final year in 2020 and served that year out. It was time for a change no big deal.

Mickey is obviously still very bitter about not getting an additional year as he deemed 2020 a write off due to the covid circumstances. This then would have been heightened even further when he saw 'his' team win the AI the year after he left. Whether he gets his revenge so to speak by taking Derry to an All Ireland who knows?

[seafoid]

Derry were very impressive in the semi final in CP. They did everything right until the home stretch.  What extra can Harte bring to the table ?

When  a team fails at whatever stage of the championship it means that that particular iteration of the team is not good enough and that certain players will not be appearing in the county jersey again. This is a real pain in the hole on the way home. It really hurts. But it is necessary unless you want the county to repeat the dose next year.
 
You have to replace the departing players  with players of a higher quality. Otherwise there is no progress. And there is no Sam. And Sam is forever. If they win they will never be forgotten.

An example of this process was 1997 when Mayo bate a Galway team which was pretty good but not good enough. John Donnellan was one of the marquee players. Val Daly was player manager. 2 very good players. But there was no sign of either in the semi final the next year. The team was overhauled and players like Michael Donnellan and Joyce were brought in. The jigsaw was complete. Galway hurlers did the cure in 2015-16. Tyrone did it in the run up to 2021 . They had one chance to benefit from the absence of the Dubs and they did it.

Eamonn Coleman had a plan to win the All Ireland . But he had to get there first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd7oYNpQ_B0&t=65s

By 92 he had 80% of the team that won the holiest of GAA holies.
 They were beaten narrowly by donegal in 92. Donegal went off to win Sam. coleman knew they were very close but they needed the finishing touch. He had to do the same pruning exercise.

1992 Ulster SFC Final team:

Derry: Damien McCusker; Kieran McKeever, Danny Quinn, Tony Scullion; John McGurk, Henry Downey (capt.), Gary Coleman; Brian McGilligan, Dermot Heaney; Anthony Tohill (0-1), Dermot McNicholl (0-1), Damian Cassidy; Declan Bateson, Seamus Downey (1-0), Enda Gormley (0-6, 0-5 frees).

Substitutes: Damian Barton (0-1) for Tohill (h-t, inj.); John McErlain for Quinn (50); Joe Brolly for Bateson (54).

Danny Quinn was dropped for the final.

So- who are the players now who are just not quite good enough to go all the way ?
And- who does Derry have to replace them ?

[shawshank]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

As I said before, Tyronies upset show there entitlement almost in every post. Derry are better, your entitlement can't allow you see it. Derry are close, Harte knows it, your entitled mind set prevents you from knowing it. I hope Derry draw Tyrone so we illustrate once again we have a better team.

[93-DY-SAM]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

Cavan and Down have 5. That must make them a bigger and better team than Tyrone then.

[tyrone08]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

As I said before, Tyronies upset show there entitlement almost in every post. Derry are better, your entitlement can't allow you see it. Derry are close, Harte knows it, your entitled mind set prevents you from knowing it. I hope Derry draw Tyrone so we illustrate once again we have a better team.

Thats some take on it. The guy was simply pointing out facts that currently tyrone have more AIs and more success in the past 20 years than derry have had. Its hardly wrong.

Doesnt mean than currently tyrone are better than derry. In the past 2 years derry have been far better than tyrone.

Think some of you derry wans are in for a shock in the next few years. Mickey hasnt beaten a dublin, kerry or mayo side in championship football in a decade, this includes when he had the recent AI winning tyrone side at his dispoal. You think he can do it with a derry side who couldnt beat kerry or havent gotten to an AI final?

[tyrone08]

Harte got 18 years in the Tyrone job, 13 after his last All Ireland, so not like he was forced out before his time a lá Eamonn Coleman. Greatest Tyrone manager ever but it was time to hand over the reins.

Moving to a neighbouring county for a chance of success, and a few quid no doubt, was always going to rankle with his own people - when Sean Cavanagh/Conor McKenna/Kyle Coney spoke to AFL teams he was always quick to bring up loyalty and playing your own game for your own people. Does this not apply to management also?

I couldn't see McGeeney manage Tyrone, or Jim Gavin manage Kerry - or Harte's predecessor in Tyrone, Big Art McRory go to manage a rival - that's a measure of loyalty to your own in my opinion. With Harte it feels like it's more about himself proving a point than loyalty to his own county.

This is 100% spot on. Mickey convinced many of player to commit to tyrone out of loyalty. First chance he gets he goes to a main rival.

Like a typical religious zealot he is as two faced as they come.

Mickey only cares that he is always right even when the evidence shows hes not.

[ClubScene13]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

As I said before, Tyronies upset show there entitlement almost in every post. Derry are better, your entitlement can't allow you see it. Derry are close, Harte knows it, your entitled mind set prevents you from knowing it. I hope Derry draw Tyrone so we illustrate once again we have a better team.

If Eamonn Coleman took over the reigns in Tyrone when they were a coming team I don't think you would be showing your entitlement if it annoyed you a bit. It's natural. The rivalries are what make the GAA, Tyrone and Derry will always have a healthy disdain. I don't think it sits that well in either county tbh. Derry are a better team than Tyrone right now but I would be stunned if Harte gets them over the line for the big one.

[GTP]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

Since Tyrone have won 4 All-Irelands surely the reference is to Louth's 3: 1910, 1912 and 1957. As Derry went further in the All-Ireland series, won their provincial championship, beat them away from home and got promoted ahead of Louth in the league by any current measure they are a better team. 
They are not bigger if the sole measure is All-Ireland's won, but I doubt many people would make a sincere argument that the current Derry side do not present a bigger opportunity for a manager to enjoy success than Louth.

[trueblue1234]

Great to see the Derry ones ones jump to defend MH. I must have imagined all those negative posts by the Derry posters about MH in the past. 

[tyrone08]

Great to see the Derry ones ones jump to defend MH. I must have imagined all those negative posts by the Derry posters about MH in the past. 

It is amazing lol

[RedHand88]

Tyrone wans hounded him out when he clearly wanted to stay, Micky believed what he achieved with Tyrone that he could stay on for as long as he liked but majority of Tyrone wans wanted him out and they got their wish. No big deal when he managed Louth but now he's got a bigger and better opportunity on his door step with little to no travelling and because it's the next door neighbours Tyronies are having a fit...Wise up...it's like when you get rid of the girlfriend but find out she's found another man and you don't like it

Will be interesting if/when Derry play Tyrone what reaction he'll get

Is it bigger and better? He's going from a county with 3 all-ireland to a county with 1 all-ireland.

Since Tyrone have won 4 All-Irelands surely the reference is to Louth's 3: 1910, 1912 and 1957. As Derry went further in the All-Ireland series, won their provincial championship, beat them away from home and got promoted ahead of Louth in the league by any current measure they are a better team. 
They are not bigger if the sole measure is All-Ireland's won, but I doubt many people would make a sincere argument that the current Derry side do not present a bigger opportunity for a manager to enjoy success than Louth.

How many provincial titles would this Derry team have won if they were in Leinster? Strange to use that sort of logic to try to portray Derry as superior to Louth.

I think I can nearly hear the Derry wans furiously scrolling through years of posts deleting any post they made slagging Harte off...

[seafoid]

Harte got 18 years in the Tyrone job, 13 after his last All Ireland, so not like he was forced out before his time a lá Eamonn Coleman. Greatest Tyrone manager ever but it was time to hand over the reins.

Moving to a neighbouring county for a chance of success, and a few quid no doubt, was always going to rankle with his own people - when Sean Cavanagh/Conor McKenna/Kyle Coney spoke to AFL teams he was always quick to bring up loyalty and playing your own game for your own people. Does this not apply to management also?

I couldn't see McGeeney manage Tyrone, or Jim Gavin manage Kerry - or Harte's predecessor in Tyrone, Big Art McRory go to manage a rival - that's a measure of loyalty to your own in my opinion. With Harte it feels like it's more about himself proving a point than loyalty to his own county.

This is 100% spot on. Mickey convinced many of player to commit to tyrone out of loyalty. First chance he gets he goes to a main rival.

Like a typical religious zealot he is as two faced as they come.

Mickey only cares that he is always right even when the evidence shows hes not.

That's a bit rich from a Tyrone fan about the man who broke through a century of sure and constant mediocrity to deliver Sam to Omagh not once but 3 times. (So what if Armagh did it first) .
Fergal Logan says he still thinks about losing the 95 final. The first win was 5 years after the bomb. Same town, different emotions.  What Harte did for Tyrone could never be repaid.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiW-Vxx_jrk


At the end of the day, Harte is only human. What did you expect in him after he left Tyrone ? It's not a religion. Catch yourself on.

[JoG2]

Ulster Championship 2024,so many subplots... Looking forward to the draw. Donegal, Tyrone and Derry all on the one side of the draw or Derry / Tyrone kept apart to a potential final...

[Itchy]

Surely they have to be drawn together in the preliminary round of Ulster next year, its written in the stars! When is the draw anyway?

[JoG2]

Harte got 18 years in the Tyrone job, 13 after his last All Ireland, so not like he was forced out before his time a lá Eamonn Coleman. Greatest Tyrone manager ever but it was time to hand over the reins.

Moving to a neighbouring county for a chance of success, and a few quid no doubt, was always going to rankle with his own people - when Sean Cavanagh/Conor McKenna/Kyle Coney spoke to AFL teams he was always quick to bring up loyalty and playing your own game for your own people. Does this not apply to management also?

I couldn't see McGeeney manage Tyrone, or Jim Gavin manage Kerry - or Harte's predecessor in Tyrone, Big Art McRory go to manage a rival - that's a measure of loyalty to your own in my opinion. With Harte it feels like it's more about himself proving a point than loyalty to his own county.

This is 100% spot on. Mickey convinced many of player to commit to tyrone out of loyalty. First chance he gets he goes to a main rival.

Like a typical religious zealot he is as two faced as they come.

Mickey only cares that he is always right even when the evidence shows hes not.

Using one of the reasons Tyrone landed 3 All Irelands is a strange stick to beat the man with! You should be applauding the man for this.