Would you be in favour of a second tier?

Started by sligoman2, June 26, 2017, 12:34:12 PM

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Would you be in favour of an alternative championship for Div 3 and 4 with winners and runners up rejoining the other championship.

Yes
136 (52.7%)
No
104 (40.3%)
Undecided
18 (7%)

Total Members Voted: 258

Hawkeye9212

Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 01:57:14 PM
The 2 relegated teams from D2 will already be in Tier 2 so it will be 6th in D2?

The team who finishes bottom in Division 2 will still be in Tier 1 unless a Division 3 or 4 team reaches their provincial final.

Rossfan

The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Rossfan

Quote from: hardstation on June 30, 2019, 02:04:57 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 12:34:41 AM
Quote from: Ball Hopper on June 30, 2019, 12:14:04 AM
How many extra training sessions - will players even commit to the new competition? I IMAGINE IF THERE WAS ANY EVIDENCE THEY  WOULDN'T COMMIT THE PROPOSAL WOULDNT HAVE GOT THIS FAR
What makes you imagine that? The evidence should be taken from the last time they ran this very competition. Nobody cared. Players didn't bother. It was crap. It had to go.
A bit like Antrim......
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

Hawkeye9212

Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.

Where are you getting that information from? This format isn't fair. The two sides promoted from Division 3 should be in Tier 1.

Rossfan

Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM

seafoid

It's good that they are retaining the provincials imo

Hawkeye9212

Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
They are( as I said).

They aren't. Tipperary would still be in Tier 1 this year because all the provincial finalists were Division 1 and 2 teams.

macdanger2

Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.

That's not what it says in the rte article

QuoteUnder the new proposals, Division 3 finalists Westmeath and Laois would have played in a Tier 2 championship rather than the All-Ireland qualifiers this summer

BennyCake

Quote from: seafoid on June 30, 2019, 03:54:06 PM
It's good that they are retaining the provincials imo

Maybe Ulster and Connacht. But what's the point of the other two?

Hawkeye9212

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 30, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.

That's not what it says in the rte article

QuoteUnder the new proposals, Division 3 finalists Westmeath and Laois would have played in a Tier 2 championship rather than the All-Ireland qualifiers this summer

Why would any team in Division 3 vote for these proposals?

lenny

Quote from: Hawkeye9212 on June 30, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 30, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.

That's not what it says in the rte article

QuoteUnder the new proposals, Division 3 finalists Westmeath and Laois would have played in a Tier 2 championship rather than the All-Ireland qualifiers this summer

Why would any team in Division 3 vote for these proposals?

They will be in a competition they have a chance of winning.
They will avoid the embarrassment of being destroyed by Dublin/Kerry/Mayo/Donegal.
Teams can develop and bring through young players by playing at their own level.
Why would they vote against the proposals?

priceyreilly

Quote from: lenny on June 30, 2019, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: Hawkeye9212 on June 30, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 30, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.

That's not what it says in the rte article

QuoteUnder the new proposals, Division 3 finalists Westmeath and Laois would have played in a Tier 2 championship rather than the All-Ireland qualifiers this summer

Why would any team in Division 3 vote for these proposals?

They will be in a competition they have a chance of winning.
They will avoid the embarrassment of being destroyed by Dublin/Kerry/Mayo/Donegal.
Teams can develop and bring through young players by playing at their own level.
Why would they vote against the proposals?

Players left for America for the summer instead of playing the Tommy Murphy Cup. No one wants this shite, they can f**k off.

Hawkeye9212

Quote from: lenny on June 30, 2019, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: Hawkeye9212 on June 30, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 30, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.

That's not what it says in the rte article

QuoteUnder the new proposals, Division 3 finalists Westmeath and Laois would have played in a Tier 2 championship rather than the All-Ireland qualifiers this summer

Why would any team in Division 3 vote for these proposals?

They will be in a competition they have a chance of winning.
They will avoid the embarrassment of being destroyed by Dublin/Kerry/Mayo/Donegal.
Teams can develop and bring through young players by playing at their own level.
Why would they vote against the proposals?

1) The Division 4 teams won't be in a competition which they have a chance of winning.

2) The Division 3/4 teams will not avoid the embarrassment of being destroyed. Leitrim/Sligo will still play against Galway and Mayo in Connacht.

3) Let's use a format which has been tried and tested in the other Gaelic games.

BennyCake

Quote from: lenny on June 30, 2019, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: Hawkeye9212 on June 30, 2019, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 30, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.

That's not what it says in the rte article

QuoteUnder the new proposals, Division 3 finalists Westmeath and Laois would have played in a Tier 2 championship rather than the All-Ireland qualifiers this summer

Why would any team in Division 3 vote for these proposals?

They will be in a competition they have a chance of winning.
They will avoid the embarrassment of being destroyed by Dublin/Kerry/Mayo/Donegal.
Teams can develop and bring through young players by playing at their own level.
Why would they vote against the proposals?

In recent years in the championship Kerry stuffed Div 1 Kildare, scoring 7 goals. Div 1 Roscommon got tanked by Tyrone.

Dublin have stuffed Div 1 teams Roscommon, Galway, Tyrone, Kildare, Monaghan  and now Meath.

That's all between Div 1 teams. The top 8. How do you stop those tankings?

Rossfan

Quote from: macdanger2 on June 30, 2019, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on June 30, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
The 2 sides promoted from D3 will be considered D2 then and will be Tier 1.

That's not what it says in the rte article

QuoteUnder the new proposals, Division 3 finalists Westmeath and Laois would have played in a Tier 2 championship rather than the All-Ireland qualifiers this summer
When it was 1st before CC it was said that promoted teams from D3 would be classed as D2 /Tiet 1.
Either that's been changed or RTE have got it wrong.
Sure it wont be happening anyway as Hardstation and Bennycake will stop it.
Davy's given us a dream to cling to
We're going to bring home the SAM