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Title: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The PRO on July 26, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
Has to be Park Ratheniska or Kilcavan to win this surely?
Unless Graigue have the numbers?
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on July 26, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 26, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
Has to be Park Ratheniska or Kilcavan to win this surely?
Unless Graigue have the numbers?

Logic would say Ratheniska and Kilcavan would have the best chance given its their first teams, but can be hard to judge at this level. 2nd teams of senior clubs can be very strong some years, usually their teams have a blend of youth and experience so if a club has been doing well at minor and u-21 the last few years they may have a good few younger players who are on the fringe of making their first team but not quiet ready for senior. This sort of team can be very dangerous at this level.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The PRO on July 26, 2017, 07:01:07 PM
Quote from: Joeythelips on July 26, 2017, 05:34:37 PM
Quote from: The PRO on July 26, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
Has to be Park Ratheniska or Kilcavan to win this surely?
Unless Graigue have the numbers?

Logic would say Ratheniska and Kilcavan would have the best chance given its their first teams, but can be hard to judge at this level. 2nd teams of senior clubs can be very strong some years, usually their teams have a blend of youth and experience so if a club has been doing well at minor and u-21 the last few years they may have a good few younger players who are on the fringe of making their first team but not quiet ready for senior. This sort of team can be very dangerous at this level.
True. Joseph's would fit that profile too but the loss of so many lads will impact on what could have been a very good junior team.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on July 26, 2017, 07:06:51 PM
I wonder could The Harps do anything in the junior?
They seem to have a few good young footballers.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on July 27, 2017, 09:32:44 AM
I think Kilcavan are decent enough and could edge Graigue to this.
Both had good wins last night.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on July 29, 2017, 07:48:31 AM
Jesus, Camross nearly beat Park. :o
That would have been some shock.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Unlaoised on August 01, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
Prob the poorest standard or Jumior teams in recent years...Park should win this but they struggled to beat a division 5 Camross team who were missing their best player and didn't look too bothered!
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The PRO on August 02, 2017, 04:58:18 PM
Quote from: Unlaoised on August 01, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
Prob the poorest standard or Jumior teams in recent years...Park should win this but they struggled to beat a division 5 Camross team who were missing their best player and didn't look too bothered!
Based on that result you'd have to edge the likes of Graigue, The Heath, Kilcavan and Joseph's ahead of Park
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on August 09, 2017, 09:35:36 AM
Good to see Spink off the mark last night.
Through to quarter finals now I think.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on August 09, 2017, 09:58:56 AM
Quote from: SCFC on August 09, 2017, 09:35:36 AM
Good to see Spink off the mark last night.
Through to quarter finals now I think.

Final score: Spink 3-6 Portlaoise 1-9 but was Spink 1-0 Portlaoise 1-6 at half time, serious second half performance there.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 10, 2017, 01:30:43 AM
Wednesday's Results


Laois Shopping Centre JFC 'B' Final

Rosenallis 0-7
Errill 4-7


Laois Shopping Centre JFC 'A' Group A
Round 2


Park-Ratheniska 3-18
Stradbally 0-7

The Harps 2-7
Ballylinan 1-12

Killeshin 0-4
St Joseph's 2-15



Laois Shopping Centre JFC 'A' Group C
Round 2


Portarlington 3-12
Ballyroan-Abbey 2-6
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 11, 2017, 12:05:22 AM
Thursday's Result


Laois Shopping Centre JFC Group C

Graiguecullen 4-9
Kilcavan 3-11
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on August 11, 2017, 10:50:06 AM
Derek O Connell in goals. Rory O Connell full forward. Some servants. Surely Tarpey is a sub there somewhere as well.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on August 11, 2017, 11:24:56 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on August 11, 2017, 10:50:06 AM
Surely Tarpey is a sub there somewhere as well.
Nope. Was reffing our game last night.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on August 11, 2017, 02:50:36 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 11, 2017, 12:05:22 AM
Thursday's Result


Laois Shopping Centre JFC Group C

Graiguecullen 4-9
Kilcavan 3-11


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/11/graiguecullen-go-pole-position-thrilling-win-kilcavan/

Sounds like a cracking game (pity about the result  :( )
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on August 23, 2017, 12:42:24 PM
Kilcavan have a big game tonight. Travel to Ballyroan needing a result.
Wide open championship. Joe's, Graigue, Heath all strong. Hurling finished in Ballinakill I think so watch out for Spink.
Park and Kilcavan have to be contenders too with their first teams.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 24, 2017, 12:50:55 AM
Wednesday's Results



Laois Shopping Centre JFC Group B Round 3

The Harps             3-15
Killeshin                3-7

Ballylinan              1-6
St Joseph's           3-10




Laois Shopping Centre JFC Group C Round 3

Portarlington         0-8
Graiguecullen        3-16

Ballyroan Abbey    2-9
Kilcavan                2-24
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on August 24, 2017, 11:27:10 AM
Considering its their second teams Graiguecullen & St Josephs are posting serious scorelines in this grade. O'Dempseys play Spink tonight with the winners playing Kilcavan and loser playing Graiguecullen next week in the Quarter finals. As SCFC said Spink will be a dangerous side now Ballinakill are finished with hurling so this looks like being an ultra competitive grade this year.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 25, 2017, 01:05:20 AM
This is the line-up for next weeks quarter-finals after tonight's results

Park-Ratheniska v Ballylinan
St Joseph's v The Heath
Graiguecullen v O'Dempsey's
Kilcavan v Spink


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/24/spink-park-ratheniska-book-laois-jfc-quarter-final-places/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/24/spink-park-ratheniska-book-laois-jfc-quarter-final-places/)
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on August 25, 2017, 02:48:42 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on August 25, 2017, 01:05:20 AM
This is the line-up for next weeks quarter-finals after tonight's results

Park-Ratheniska v Ballylinan
St Joseph's v The Heath
Graiguecullen v O'Dempsey's
Kilcavan v Spink


http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/24/spink-park-ratheniska-book-laois-jfc-quarter-final-places/ (http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/08/24/spink-park-ratheniska-book-laois-jfc-quarter-final-places/)

Park, St Joseph's and Graigue should come through relatively comfortably, Kilcavan v Spink should be a right tussle and a hard one to call.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 01, 2017, 01:09:14 AM
Results

Park-Ratheniska 2-23
Ballylinan 0-7

The Heath 0-6
St Joseph's 2-10

Graiguecullen 0-12
O'Dempsey's 1-10

Kilcavan 1-15
Spink 0-10
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on September 01, 2017, 09:47:19 AM
http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/09/01/st-josephs-sail-past-heath-book-jfc-semi-place/

I see Tom Kelly played centre forward, nice to see on of the counties few All Stars still kicking ball. What a legend. That should be a cracking semi final against Park.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on September 01, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
Question, what year did Tom Kelly last play football, was it senior and was he regraded if it was senior? Wooly was in a similar position this year, he couldnt play because he wasnt regraded since 2010.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 01, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on September 01, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
Question, what year did Tom Kelly last play football, was it senior and was he regraded if it was senior? Wooly was in a similar position this year, he couldnt play because he wasnt regraded since 2010.
:o
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 01, 2017, 07:30:32 PM
He was regarded years ago, Wooly all of a sudden decided he wanted to play football but it was too late to regrade.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 04, 2017, 01:28:39 AM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on September 01, 2017, 04:13:18 PM
Question, what year did Tom Kelly last play football, was it senior and was he regraded if it was senior? Wooly was in a similar position this year, he couldnt play because he wasnt regraded since 2010.
Regraded years ago my friend. Stop listening to foolish gossip, but then again if you know better come out with it. Dont pass unfounded comments from keyboards
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on September 04, 2017, 03:07:45 PM
I didn't think there was such a thing as regrading anymore per se.
I thought you named 17 for each panel above you're lowest grade team and everyone else is then eligible for that lowest team.
Which would naturally apply to Tom. Don't understand how Wooly doesn't also qualify on those grounds actually.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 04, 2017, 06:20:00 PM
You name the 17 as per norm, but if you have Seniors who you want Junior A even though they may not have played in a while they must be re graded Junior A.  As per norm you can only drop down one grade per calendar year.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on September 05, 2017, 07:55:20 AM
So that begs two questions. Why wasn't Parkinson allowed to regrade? And how was Tom Kelly allowed to skip Intermediate on his return? No vested interest but Parkinson looks to have got a raw deal
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 05, 2017, 09:16:05 AM
Your Club's playing teams is also a factor

Josephs 2nd Team is Junior A so he regrades to Junior A, i.e thats why Mick Lalor play's Junior C League most years as EMO regrade him down every year to their next available team Junior B/C

Parkinson I think thought because he had not played for a while was eligible for Intermediate, however the Portlaoise Club Secretary has to regrade him with the time he had he could have been Junior C over several years.  I think it must have to come to light in March but if it had been January/Feb would have not been an issue.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 05, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
Quote from: High Fielder on September 05, 2017, 07:55:20 AM
And how was Tom Kelly allowed to skip Intermediate on his return? No vested interest but Parkinson looks to have got a raw deal

Who was Tom going to play intermediate with?!
And no Parkinson didn't, Portlaoise like to keep well up to date with rules & bye laws (sometimes at great expense), you'd imagine they would know the rules around a grading system we have had for about 7/8 years now. Bread and butter stuff.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: High Fielder on September 05, 2017, 03:14:05 PM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on September 05, 2017, 09:16:05 AM
Your Club's playing teams is also a factor

Josephs 2nd Team is Junior A so he regrades to Junior A, i.e thats why Mick Lalor play's Junior C League most years as EMO regrade him down every year to their next available team Junior B/C

Parkinson I think thought because he had not played for a while was eligible for Intermediate, however the Portlaoise Club Secretary has to regrade him with the time he had he could have been Junior C over several years.  I think it must have to come to light in March but if it had been January/Feb would have not been an issue.

Thanks for clearing that up. I forgot that Joes had no Intermediate team.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 05, 2017, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 05, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
And no Parkinson didn't, Portlaoise like to keep well up to date with rules & bye laws (sometimes at great expense), you'd imagine they would know the rules around a grading system we have had for about 7/8 years now. Bread and butter stuff.
Wasn't he banned from being a member? Doubt the top table gave two fucks about him during those years.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 05, 2017, 03:52:03 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 05, 2017, 03:46:37 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 05, 2017, 01:15:49 PM
And no Parkinson didn't, Portlaoise like to keep well up to date with rules & bye laws (sometimes at great expense), you'd imagine they would know the rules around a grading system we have had for about 7/8 years now. Bread and butter stuff.
Wasn't he banned from being a member? Doubt the top table gave two f**ks about him during those years.

I can't imagine not regrading him was a mistake!!

Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: redsetanta on September 15, 2017, 09:47:03 AM
Some comeback by Kilcavan against O'Dempseys yesterday. 13 points.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on September 16, 2017, 02:45:10 PM
What the feck happened Park?
Terrible result for them.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 20, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)

Don't like this. Chances are they knew beforehand if he was ineligible. Looking at the scoreline, I don't think he was the difference!
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on September 20, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)
Pathetic if true.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Bueller on September 20, 2017, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 20, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)

Don't like this. Chances are they knew beforehand if he was ineligible. Looking at the scoreline, I don't think he was the difference!
Did Joseph's know he was ineligible? Does this mean Kelly was eligible? Was it only Garvan questioned? Unpalatable business when Championship rules are questioned.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 05:31:31 PM
Quote from: Bueller on September 20, 2017, 05:08:07 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 20, 2017, 04:27:39 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)

Don't like this. Chances are they knew beforehand if he was ineligible. Looking at the scoreline, I don't think he was the difference!
Did Joseph's know he was ineligible? Does this mean Kelly was eligible? Was it only Garvan questioned? Unpalatable business when Championship rules are questioned.
The rumor is that they fielded an ineligible player in 2016 also,certain clubs knew about it,but no one objected.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Pablo Escobar on September 21, 2017, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: SCFC on September 20, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)
Pathetic if true.

Not Pathetic at all. If its true the book should be thrown at them. What goes around comes around.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Downtheroad on September 22, 2017, 11:03:05 AM
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on September 21, 2017, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: SCFC on September 20, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)
Pathetic if true.

Not Pathetic at all. If its true the book should be thrown at them. What goes around comes around.
Fairly certain Garvan was never regraded. If so, they are gone.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: steven seagal on September 22, 2017, 11:28:36 AM
Ah lads, is their no one in London that knows of a way out of this?  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 22, 2017, 11:29:14 AM
The problem lies in the whole volunteer segment of the GAA,  the rule is you must regrade downwards one level of your club teams at a time(must be submitted to county board in Feb/March), so say Rodgers in Portlaoise has to go down from Senior to Intermediate that's 2017 to go to Intermediate to Junior A is 2018 and so on with B & C.  Many  Clubs, Managers & Players are not fully versed in this.  You can start on about they should be but at the end of the day Club Secretary is a volunteer role with a lot of movement within positions over the  years and experience may not always be possible.  The County Board should allow automatic regrades if you have not played for a certain period of time without having to formalise it.  This is where the problem lies, Player does not play for a couple of years and everyone thinks he is now eligible for lower grades because of this simply not true.


Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Downtheroad on September 22, 2017, 12:05:43 PM
There is a misconception out there that if a player misses a year, he is automatically available to play at the lower grade which is not the case. Surprised St Josephs got caught out as they usually are on the ball.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 22, 2017, 12:34:40 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on September 22, 2017, 12:05:43 PM
There is a misconception out there that if a player misses a year, he is automatically available to play at the lower grade which is not the case. Surprised St Josephs got caught out as they usually are on the ball.

Find it hard to imagine they are with a high profile player like Garvan or Kelly
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Saint 1963 on September 22, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
Objection thrown out!
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 22, 2017, 02:04:00 PM
Does this mean Woolie was eligible all along then? This will go down well with him  ;D
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Saint 1963 on September 22, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
Would be surprised if that's not the case. Which would make you wonder why Portlaoise didn't fight it. Not too late yet I suppose!
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 22, 2017, 02:27:44 PM
Interesting stuff. I dont know the exact rule on grading per say "Croke park rules" ( althouigh it would be easy find them). Is it the case that a county can have its own Bye laws on rules. E.G. kildare dont have a parish rule in their bye laws where as laois do. Its a very interesting debate and everyone has an opinion but can anyone give a definitive answer. For the record here is a copy of the Laois Bye laws re gradings (Not sure if its up to date) Can anyone put it into simple english

29. Grading – Clubs to name and list a minimum of seventeen players for each grade of
Championship excluding the Club's lowest grade. The names for each grade of
championship must correspond in most instances to their previous year's
Championship status, except where a team is promoted or relegated or where a Club
use in excess of seventeen players in a Championship grade. Clubs must also list
Players who played at a higher grade in 2011 and whom are now being included in
the Club's lowest grade. Clubs failing to comply in listing these players will be
penalised by the inclusion of the player in the higher grade. Each Clubs list is subject
to examination by the CCC, who may at their discretion make additions to the
seventeen names listed. The closing date for submission of Player Grading (17) is
19th. March. Clubs will be asked to review and resubmit Player Grading prior to 13th.
July. CCC will monitor throughout the League campaign and regulars excluded from
original grading panel of 17 and playing at the higher grade will be added to July
Grading submission. It was also agreed that "profile" players known to be abroad or
emigrated will not be accepted in first 17 names, but will be added extra in the event
of them returning during the year.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Downtheroad on September 22, 2017, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: Saint 1963 on September 22, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
Objection thrown out!
I would be curious as to why it was thrown out. It could be on a technicality rather than the byelaw. I suppose  we have to wait and see. The reality is that he was either regarded or not. If he was regraded then there is no problem otherwise the rules are a farce.

 
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 22, 2017, 02:45:39 PM
Quote from: Downtheroad on September 22, 2017, 02:34:01 PM
Quote from: Saint 1963 on September 22, 2017, 01:47:38 PM
Objection thrown out!
I would be curious as to why it was thrown out. It could be on a technicality rather than the byelaw. I suppose  we have to wait and see. The reality is that he was either regarded or not. If he was regraded then there is no problem otherwise the rules are a farce.


Question is do you have to be regraded.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 22, 2017, 02:49:42 PM
Quote from: Saint 1963 on September 22, 2017, 02:25:21 PM
Would be surprised if that's not the case. Which would make you wonder why Portlaoise didn't fight it. Not too late yet I suppose!
Why would they fight it, he said himself the County Board told them he was ineligible?
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on September 22, 2017, 02:54:32 PM
A complete contradiction to what was told to Parkinson earlier in the year.

The issue resides with Croke Park not the County Board
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Saint 1963 on September 22, 2017, 03:08:06 PM
Don do you believe the County Board are infallible?
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 22, 2017, 03:37:07 PM
From the official rule book

Inter-Club Junior
Subject to the Restrictions set out in Rules 6.17 and
6.22(c), all players are eligible to participate in Inter-
Club Junior Grade except:
(a) Those who are currently graded as Club Senior or
Intermediate Championship status in the Code.
Was Garvan named in his clubs first 17 this year and is he deemed a senior player
(b) Those who are excluded from Junior status by
County Bye-Law, consequent on their having
played on the winning team in the previous
year's County Senior, Intermediate or Junior
Championship Final
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 22, 2017, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on September 21, 2017, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: SCFC on September 20, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)
Pathetic if true.

Not Pathetic at all. If its true the book should be thrown at them. What goes around comes around.
Pablo, seems anything St Josephs bugs you to the core. Move on babe, your issues earlier in the year with them were resolved and is now history.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BobbyBoucherJr on September 22, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
So woolly can play in the Intermediate Final then?  ;D
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 22, 2017, 04:39:43 PM
Quote from: BobbyBoucherJr on September 22, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
So woolly can play in the Intermediate Final then?  ;D
What a good news story that would be!
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Pablo Escobar on September 22, 2017, 05:20:55 PM
Quote from: The Monument Road on September 22, 2017, 04:08:44 PM
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on September 21, 2017, 09:10:25 PM
Quote from: SCFC on September 20, 2017, 05:06:01 PM
Quote from: clonadmad on September 20, 2017, 03:40:43 PM
Objection lodged by Park to Joseph's fielding an ineligible player (Garvan)
Pathetic if true.

Not Pathetic at all. If its true the book should be thrown at them. What goes around comes around.
Pablo, seems anything St Josephs bugs you to the core. Move on babe, your issues earlier in the year with them were resolved and is now history.


You wouldn't be wrong there . Best of luck to Kilcavan in the final.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 22, 2017, 07:25:58 PM
Seems Josephs know the rules, any issues from here on in that's where we should all head. 
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 22, 2017, 10:56:18 PM
I don't know anything about the ins and outs of this particular case, but it is possible that the player will still be deemed ineligible.
Objection could have been ruled out of order on any one of a number of grounds!
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on September 23, 2017, 12:05:29 AM
The players are not ineligible as they were not playing when the regrading rule was brought in, same applied to Wooly who was given wrong info it would seem. Looks like Laois GAA don't know the rules.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/club-player-denied-football-all-year-in-laois-because-of-rule-mix-up-137677
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 23, 2017, 01:31:13 AM
Quote from: Joeythelips on September 23, 2017, 12:05:29 AM
The players are not ineligible as they were not playing when the regrading rule was brought in, same applied to Wooly who was given wrong info it would seem. Looks like Laois GAA don't know the rules.
https://www.sportsjoe.ie/gaa/club-player-denied-football-all-year-in-laois-because-of-rule-mix-up-137677
well that puts that to bed so...along with all the know alls contributing to the debate here....it's personal with some it seems... (Pablo and his ilk must be sick to hear this)
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 23, 2017, 11:31:15 AM
I am glad this objection did not go anywhere,  but it's very much a loophole in the rulebook.  Surprised Josephs had not re graded already, Garvan & Kelly must have only become available late on in the year and someone investigated and found a loophole(where there is a will there is away). 

You may want to come down from that cross "Monument",  the Daly thing is going to annoy a lot of people even if Josephs got the verdict.

Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 23, 2017, 11:38:07 AM
Quote from: BallyroanAbu on September 23, 2017, 11:31:15 AM
I am glad this objection did not go anywhere,  but it's very much a loophole in the rulebook.  Surprised Josephs had not re graded already, Garvan & Kelly must have only become available late on in the year and someone investigated and found an loophole(where there is a will there is away).
it's like any new rule change....it's not retrospective. Under law you cannot charge someone under a Law enacted after the deed has been committed.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Saint 1963 on September 23, 2017, 12:00:02 PM
BallyroanAbu in Tom Kelly's case why would you be surprised Joseph's didn't regrade him? The man had bones broken in his back as a result of a tackle and for a number of years football was never an option for him. Things like going for a walk with your son or going out to work to provide for your family are far more important!
Besides, just like Wolly, they didn't need to be regarded. As you said yourself Josephs's seem to know the rules! And London's only a phone call away! Closer much of the time!😉
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on September 23, 2017, 12:09:50 PM
I get that Saint, no argument with what's happened.  Just presume if Kelly and Garvan were going to be available at the start of the year ordinarily Josephs would have regarded and no need to go to Croke Park.  Nice to see Tom Kelly playing again.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Saint 1963 on September 23, 2017, 12:41:35 PM
Isn't it always the same with GAA rule book. Things are never as simple as they could, or should be! That's why so many objections, appeals and counter appeals end up in being adjudicated on in Croke Park at 3am in the morning. As someone said earlier in this discussion, club officials are all unpaid volunteers who do the job as best they can for the sake of their club but are obliged to know every syllable and nuance of the rule book! If you're lucky enough to have good ones you should treasure them. We certainly do!
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2017, 12:56:49 PM
Just to be clear, Kelly and Garvan were never regraded down through the grades, but didn't have to be because they never played since this new grading system was brought in? Is that what the outcome is?

Also, what are all the London references, for those of us not in on the joke?!
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 23, 2017, 01:17:34 PM
What's this about an objection by the way, all I've seen referenced was an query?

Delighted the lads can play on, but I do feel for Parkinson who now has Laois CB firmly in his sights. This may be a good thing for us all.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2017, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 23, 2017, 01:17:34 PM
What's this about an objection by the way, all I've seen referenced was an inquiry?

Delighted the lads can play on, but I do feel for Parkinson who now has Laois CB firmly in his sights. This may be a good thing for us all.

I would be guessing that the inquiry stemmed from an objection. It's not necessarily correct, but that was the initial story I heard?
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 23, 2017, 05:29:38 PM
Quote from: Keyser Söze on September 23, 2017, 01:18:44 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 23, 2017, 01:17:34 PM
What's this about an objection by the way, all I've seen referenced was an inquiry?

Delighted the lads can play on, but I do feel for Parkinson who now has Laois CB firmly in his sights. This may be a good thing for us all.

I would be guessing that the inquiry stemmed from an objection. It's not necessarily correct, but that was the initial story I heard?
Sorry, only going on what sportsjoes article said.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Heshs Umpire on September 25, 2017, 11:03:41 PM
It's a pity Woolly didn't seem to get correct info earlier this year.
He'd have brought a bit of interest to the intermediate championship if nothing else.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 26, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
Kavanagh hits out at 'disgusting character assassination' of County Secretary

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/09/26/kavanagh-hits-disgusting-character-assassination-county-secretary/
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 26, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 26, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
Kavanagh hits out at 'disgusting character assassination' of County Secretary

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/09/26/kavanagh-hits-disgusting-character-assassination-county-secretary/
Who did this assasination? Surely it wasn't just Wooly? Again says there it was a query re the two Joes players, Garvan was one I presume, Kelly the other?
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 26, 2017, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 26, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 26, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
Kavanagh hits out at 'disgusting character assassination' of County Secretary

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/09/26/kavanagh-hits-disgusting-character-assassination-county-secretary/
Who did this assasination? Surely it wasn't just Wooly? Again says there it was a query re the two Joes players, Garvan was one I presume, Kelly the other?
Dont do twitter Don but its alleged the tweeting started with Wooley and others got involved (tweets removed since).

Yes those two players legality was queried by Park Ratheneska, Croke Park was asked for the ruling and all were found legal. I.e. they didnt need  regrading as they hav'nt played for a period. (Garvan and Kelly last played in or around 2010/2011/2012). That rule changed last year(2016) and from now forward players must regrade. (Players who played in 2016 and on wards must now regrade even if the stand down for a year or more)
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Keyser Söze on September 26, 2017, 10:45:29 PM
Just one other point in all of this. Laois GAA have been applying this rule (where you have to regrade one level at a time whether you stood down for a period or not) for several years, presumably in good faith.
I don't think there can be any question of the rule being used to "get at" Parkinson.

Does this now mean that anybody who did not play in 2016 or 2017 can play at any grade in 2018? Or that they can move down one grade from their previous grade in 2018? Or that they can move down one grade per year stood down in 2018?
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on September 27, 2017, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: The Monument Road on September 26, 2017, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 26, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 26, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
Kavanagh hits out at 'disgusting character assassination' of County Secretary

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/09/26/kavanagh-hits-disgusting-character-assassination-county-secretary/
Who did this assasination? Surely it wasn't just Wooly? Again says there it was a query re the two Joes players, Garvan was one I presume, Kelly the other?
Dont do twitter Don but its alleged the tweeting started with Wooley and others got involved (tweets removed since).

Yes those two players legality was queried by Park Ratheneska, Croke Park was asked for the ruling and all were found legal. I.e. they didnt need  regrading as they hav'nt played for a period. (Garvan and Kelly last played in or around 2010/2011/2012). That rule changed last year(2016) and from now forward players must regrade. (Players who played in 2016 and on wards must now regrade even if the stand down for a year or more)
Spoke to someone about this since, seems a current Portlaoise intermediate footballer had some interesting things to say. All in all this entire issue was a gigantic balls up.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: clonadmad on September 27, 2017, 10:44:36 AM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 27, 2017, 09:05:47 AM
Quote from: The Monument Road on September 26, 2017, 10:15:19 PM
Quote from: Don Draper on September 26, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Quote from: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 26, 2017, 03:26:18 PM
Kavanagh hits out at 'disgusting character assassination' of County Secretary

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/09/26/kavanagh-hits-disgusting-character-assassination-county-secretary/
Who did this assasination? Surely it wasn't just Wooly? Again says there it was a query re the two Joes players, Garvan was one I presume, Kelly the other?
Dont do twitter Don but its alleged the tweeting started with Wooley and others got involved (tweets removed since).

Yes those two players legality was queried by Park Ratheneska, Croke Park was asked for the ruling and all were found legal. I.e. they didnt need  regrading as they hav'nt played for a period. (Garvan and Kelly last played in or around 2010/2011/2012). That rule changed last year(2016) and from now forward players must regrade. (Players who played in 2016 and on wards must now regrade even if the stand down for a year or more)
Spoke to someone about this since, seems a current Portlaoise intermediate footballer had some interesting things to say. All in all this entire issue was a gigantic balls up.

The suspense is killing us,Don
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: SCFC on September 27, 2017, 11:53:51 AM
Presume Craig Rogers. Pretty active and vocal on Twitter.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Laois fan on September 28, 2017, 02:19:10 AM
A few other past and present laois footballers also
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Pablo Escobar on September 29, 2017, 10:46:11 PM
Micheal Condron has to get some kind of award for his hard work this year.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on September 30, 2017, 05:03:01 PM
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on September 29, 2017, 10:46:11 PM
Micheal Condron has to get some kind of award for his hard work this year.

Who??!! ???
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 30, 2017, 08:42:55 PM
Big big win tonight for a classy St Josephs side 2.15 to 1.5. It was wonderful to see Tom Kelly win a championship again after suffering years of fear after the serious injury he received  from a reckless tackle  a few years back. Tom gave an exhibition tonight as did the Rowan brothers, Garvan and the ever green Davy Brennan. Along with a splatter of lads from the minor age group the future looks god for the Joe's. Intermediate next year.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: The Monument Road on September 30, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on September 29, 2017, 10:46:11 PM
Micheal Condron has to get some kind of award for his hard work this year.
He did tonight Pablo.
I see you backed another loser again with your support of Kilcavan. All joking aside wouldnt Michael Condron be a great county chairman. He is the type of man who would get things done.  :'( 8). I think  he should be nominated as he is well liked by most of the traditional clubs in laois.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Saint 1963 on October 01, 2017, 12:35:16 AM
Monument Road you beat me to the punch with both your posts. It been a pleasure watching this team throughout the league and championship and what a joy it's been to see Tom Kelly recovered from his injury and togging out again and playing so well. His presence alone on the pitch must have been such a help to the younger lads in particular. So well done to all the panel for bridging a 41 year gap and thanks to the 3 or 4 lads who were bumped up to senior during the year also.

Have to say hard luck to Kilcavan. I saw two instances of great sportsmanship from them tonight. I saw their midfielder give our man of the match a "well done" handshake as our man was substituted and I saw Tarpey pull out of a situtation where he could have cleaned one of our lads very late in the game when all was lost for them and it would have served no purpose. Also their Chairman was very gracious in congratulating our officials on the sideline just before the game ended, so well done Kilcavan and best of luck in the Leinster Championship!

Saints Abu! 👏👏👏
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Junior Ex Laoistalk on October 01, 2017, 01:47:53 AM
St Joseph's show their class to win the JFC title

http://www.laoistoday.ie/2017/09/30/st-josephs-show-class-win-jfc-title/
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Don Draper on October 01, 2017, 08:46:31 AM
Quote from: The Monument Road on September 30, 2017, 08:47:39 PM
Quote from: Pablo Escobar on September 29, 2017, 10:46:11 PM
Micheal Condron has to get some kind of award for his hard work this year.
He did tonight Pablo.
I see you backed another loser again with your support of Kilcavan. All joking aside wouldnt Michael Condron be a great county chairman. He is the type of man who would get things done.  :'( 8). I think  he should be nominated as he is well liked by most of the traditional clubs in laois.
Very important the night of a championship win to log on and lay waste to your enemies on the internet.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: BallyroanAbu on October 01, 2017, 09:50:25 AM
A great win for St Josephs, but worrying how competitive two second teams were last night.  I am sure Barrowhouse would be the first to give Micheal their vote🤔🤔.  In fairness a passionate Josephs man who would be a benefit to the County Board.
Title: Re: Laois Junior Football Championship 2017
Post by: Joeythelips on October 02, 2017, 06:50:20 PM
Congratulations to St. Josephs, the results don't lie and they were clearly the best team in this grade in 2017. Best of luck to Kilcavan representing Laois in the Leinster Junior Championship.