Is it true Jamie Clarke may miss out?
No and it would not matter anyhow!
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 13, 2017, 09:58:00 AM
Is it true Jamie Clarke may miss out?
Yeah he's going to be in China.
I had heard he was injured. Living in London it's hard to get up to date and accurate info at times
Got a bit of a bang in the league last week but nothing serious.
Cheers mate. That doesn't sound too bad then
Has there ever been a clash of Down and Armagh with each team having such a low rating?
1991. Down fans leaving the ground that day told Armagh fans they were lucky to be out of the competition because they had to endure their team for another game.
Armagh were the previous year's Ulster Finalists and Down were also fairly high in the ratings too.It might have been a poor game in 1991 but both Armagh and Down going into the game were genuine contenders for the Ulster Championship that year.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 13, 2017, 02:13:44 PM
Has there ever been a clash of Down and Armagh with each team having such a low rating?
From the 20s to 50s there were probably a few
At least Down are D2
Quote from: T Fearon on May 13, 2017, 04:34:40 PM
Armagh were the previous year's Ulster Finalists and Down were also fairly high in the ratings too.It might have been a poor game in 1991 but both Armagh and Down going into the game were genuine contenders for the Ulster Championship that year.
Neither had won Ulster for the previous 8 years though. Neither were really contenders.
Down winning Sam in 91 was as surprising as Leicester winning the Premier League.
Unlikely AI winners,but no one would have been surprised by either Armagh or Down winning Ulster that year.It would be considered a miracle if either of them won an Ulster semi final this year.
JC is said to be in an airboot but is expected to be fit for Down.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2017, 01:07:38 AM
It would be considered a miracle if either of them won an Ulster semi final this year.
Stop exaggerating. Monaghan are the likely semi final opponents and they were beaten by division three Longford last summer at home.
Right.How much would you place on Armagh or Down to beat Monaghan?
I would place £20 on down if they were 4/1
Armagh are pathetic at the back and a manager that is clueless
In 3 years they have went from division 2 to division 3 and hardly won a championship match
We are not great but we are better than the orange men
Down by 5
Even money both teams according to Sky Bet.I would fear for Armagh if they win and have to face Monaghan
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2017, 10:14:36 PM
Even money both teams according to Sky Bet.I would fear for Armagh if they win and have to face Monaghan
No need to fear. We won't be beating Down.
It looks like mooney and both Johnston's are now back
Clarke injured?
The next 3 weeks will be interesting
Bennycake whose you main men??
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
It looks like mooney and both Johnston's are now back
Clarke injured?
The next 3 weeks will be interesting
Bennycake whose you main men??
That'd be him in the moonboot. Campbell might havea good day but honestly can't see us winning. We can't hold onto a lead. Not that we could actually be leading in Newry.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2017, 10:23:14 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 14, 2017, 10:14:36 PM
Even money both teams according to Sky Bet.I would fear for Armagh if they win and have to face Monaghan
No need to fear. We won't be beating Down.
🙈
We will be beat down
That I would be confident of
We mightn't win another game though
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2017, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
It looks like mooney and both Johnston's are now back
Clarke injured?
The next 3 weeks will be interesting
Bennycake whose you main men??
That'd be him in the moonboot. Campbell might havea good day but honestly can't see us winning. We can't hold onto a lead. Not that we could actually be leading in Newry.
Cute Kerry hoorism still alive and well in south Armagh obviously. I don't think any Armagh posters would be surprised with an Armagh win.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 14, 2017, 10:44:38 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on May 14, 2017, 10:34:23 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
It looks like mooney and both Johnston's are now back
Clarke injured?
The next 3 weeks will be interesting
Bennycake whose you main men??
That'd be him in the moonboot. Campbell might havea good day but honestly can't see us winning. We can't hold onto a lead. Not that we could actually be leading in Newry.
Cute Kerry hoorism still alive and well in south Armagh obviously. I don't think any Armagh posters would be surprised with an Armagh win.
It's not just South Armagh folk who have t'internet.
Nah, Down by 2-3 points. Mickey Linden to score a retaken penalty and we'll all be washed out of Newry. But not even Claudio Ranieri could lead them to Sam after this match.
Here smurfy, so Armagh have a manager who is clueless? People in glass houses!
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2017, 10:12:48 PM
I would place £20 on down if they were 4/1
Armagh are pathetic at the back and a manager that is clueless
In 3 years they have went from division 2 to division 3 and hardly won a championship match
We are not great but we are better than the orange men
Down by 5
Armagh were in division 3 when McGeeney took over.
Id say neither team care about who they would potentially play in the next round, this game will be huge for both teams.
Armagh by at least 2pts. Down will not win this game.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 14, 2017, 10:12:48 PM
I would place £20 on down if they were 4/1
Armagh are pathetic at the back and a manager that is clueless
In 3 years they have went from division 2 to division 3 and hardly won a championship match
We are not great but we are better than the orange men
Down by 5
Arguments that could perhaps be levelled at both sides.
For posters of both counties: Who from the opposing squad would you have on your starting 15? Be interesting to hear a Down man's view.
From an Armagh perspective I'd struggle to accommodate anyone other than Mooney and J Johnston. Poor as Armagh's defence has been, I don' know enough about the quality of Down's backs and to say they are significantly better than Armagh's.
Def a winnable game for both teams.
I would take
Morgan
Vernon
Clarke
Campbell
Grugan
After that I think they are pretty much of the same ability
Johnstone x2
Mooney
Gerard McGovern
D O Hagen
They would all walk into the Armagh team
Cunningham
Morgan Vernon O'Hagan
Shields Donaghy Mooney
Rafferty McKernan
Ryan Johnston Kevin Dyas Rory Grugan
Jerome Johnston Stefan Campbell Jamie Clarke
Murnin and Grugan are Armagh's most important forwards
ethan rafferty played for his club yesterday which is a bonus for Armagh, hopefully he can at least make the bench.
At this level it can often be very little that can turn a team into real contenders. Armagh beat Donegal out the gate in 2010 in the championship (having done so in the league some weeks earlier) Donegal were said to be at a very low ebb - 12 months later the majority of those players were Ulster champions. 12 months further on they were All-Ireland winners. Armagh pre 1999 were unable to get by an aging Tyrone side and were hammered by Derry. The point re Down in 1991 has also been made. My point is sometimes while teams appear to be struggling or at a low ebb it often doesn't need a lot to make them into a good team - 1 or 2 players added, a change or tweak of tactics, a different voice can all tip the balance so while both teams may not look to be pulling up trees I don't think it's necessarily as simple as saying a team is poor. I would hope (as would Down fans for their team) that Armagh, as McGeeney has said, are 'not that far away' whether or not Kieran is the man to get the mix right remains to be seen. Looking forward to June 4th though.
Quote from: DuffleKing on May 15, 2017, 11:25:04 AM
Murnin and Grugan are Armagh's most important forwards
I'd be inclined to agree. Grugan has been Armagh's best player by a distance this year. Murnin is interesting. Although not as individually talented as a few others in there, his impact on the dynamic of the whole forward line is very obvious. If he's fit for this match I would expect Armagh to run up a high enough tally to get over the line.
Mooney? Seriously? Wouldn't have him on attitude alone. Overrated ability wise
Where are we all meeting for pre-match beverages?
Quote from: Orior on May 17, 2017, 12:41:17 PM
Where are we all meeting for pre-match beverages?
Looks like you're on your own Orior ;D.
Can't believe i'm going to miss the game...only my 2nd championship game i've missed in a long time.
Confirmation for me ffs, wont even see it live on TV.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 18, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
Confirmation for me ffs, wont even see it live on TV.
Must be a Tyrone bishop involved there!
Quote from: bennydorano on May 18, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
Confirmation for me ffs, wont even see it live on TV.
Was wondering why I hadn't got your ticket order!! ;D
Fondo? (that's my excuse) didn't realise it was the same day until about 2 weeks ago and i'd already paid my £67
Quote from: Rufus T Firefly on May 18, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
Quote from: bennydorano on May 18, 2017, 01:16:48 PM
Confirmation for me ffs, wont even see it live on TV.
Was wondering why I hadn't got your ticket order!! ;D
And our fella caught as Sponsor too. Not overly impressed.
Quote from: bennydorano on May 18, 2017, 02:41:41 PM
And our fella caught as Sponsor too. Not overly impressed.
LOL!! Think of the big pay day for the child!! :P
This is the equivalent of a modern day Leeds V Derby Co game,a big fixture years ago,but both currently miles behind the top dogs.Sad to see.
The winner of this could make the Ulster final as I think Cavan will beat Monaghan
We are division 2 use are division 3 Tony so don't tar us with that brush
Down are in a decent position where as Armagh are where they belong division 3
Can't see us getting beat especially with the game in Newry
Galway hammered Armagh by 13 points last week so things are not good
Down team I would like to see
Cunningham
Mcaleenan
G McGovern
D O Hagen
D O Hanlon
K McKernan
C McGovern
C Mooney
P Turley
R Johnstone
M Poland
C Maginn
J Johnston
D O Hare
B O Hagen
No joy for either side in winning this fixture,as neither has a chance against Cavan or Monaghan
I think the winners of this game could give Cavan or Monaghan a game of it, I think we all know neither team will be lifting any silverware this year but it's a local derby where the team that wants it more usually wins so it's evens your pick, Down by 2!!
Winners will not get within 6 points of Cavan,and if as I expect it's Monaghan another hammering,similar to the one Down got last year in Clones,is on the cards
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 18, 2017, 07:44:54 PM
The winner of this could make the Ulster final as I think Cavan will beat Monaghan
We are division 2 use are division 3 Tony so don't tar us with that brush
Down are in a decent position where as Armagh are where they belong division 3
Can't see us getting beat especially with the game in Newry
Galway hammered Armagh by 13 points last week so things are not good
Down team I would like to see
Cunningham
Mcaleenan
G McGovern
D O Hagen
D O Hanlon
K McKernan
C McGovern
C Mooney
P Turley
R Johnstone
M Poland
C Maginn
J Johnston
D O Hare
B O Hagen
Galway beat Armagh by 13
Must have been at a different game 🤔
Down will undoubtedly win by around 10
Higher division and all that
In fact we are just glad to be on the same pitch with our illustrious neighbors
Hopefully you don't embarrass us and isn't it just
great Tony has decided not to go as it's beneath him, hopefully Spurs playing that day a postseason friendly that day.
For me Armagh by 4/5 pulling up.
Quote from: naka on May 19, 2017, 08:49:42 PM
For me Armagh by 4/5 pulling up.
Let's hope Armagh have learned not to pull up before the final whistle.
Quote from: armaghniac on May 19, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
Quote from: naka on May 19, 2017, 08:49:42 PM
For me Armagh by 4/5 pulling up.
Let's hope Armagh have learned not to pull up before the final whistle.
Neither side will win pulling up. It'll be a tight one either way.
Down by 3.
I'm chartering a private jet to get over to it. OK, Easyjet then.
Quote from: Fiodoir Ard Mhacha on May 21, 2017, 08:54:36 PM
I'm chartering a private jet to get over to it. OK, Easyjet then.
As am I
I will be there.At least we cant draw Laois in the first round of the qualifiers this year.I dont even know if I want Armagh to win this game and get a hammering in the semi finsl.
Well folks, I believe a few of the Armagh lads were playing for their clubs today. Hopefully no injuries to be reported. Were the down lads playing for their clubs today?
Did Ethan Rafferty get another game under his belt today?
Christ Tony, get a bit of perspective. Armagh supporters have suffered many lows over the last 10 years and quite a few under geezer. We're rebuilding, we have loads of people working extremely hard , we have loads of talent coming through and a chance to watch them in newry in a fortnight.
I wouldn't be putting any money on either team for this game. Armagh might be a div 3 team but Down are very lucky not to be a div 3 team after our league campaign. I would take a hiding in a Semi if it meant beating youse'uns . :D
Quote from: regal on May 21, 2017, 10:53:09 PM
Well folks, I believe a few of the Armagh lads were playing for their clubs today. Hopefully no injuries to be reported. Were the down lads playing for their clubs today?
Did Ethan Rafferty get another game under his belt today?
Think Down called off their club games because the county team had a training weekend.
Two bad teams with little prospect of success.
But I disagree that it is two bad teams of bad players. Both teams have some very good players (Clarke is a great payer). If either team had their players working together and playing the ball fast and simple with concentration then not only could they win they would be a fair competitor in a semi against Monaghan.
Monaghan do not have a big roster of super stars. They have a set of really hard working lads, playing to a plan and working for each other. Apart from McManus and Kieran hughes their players are not hugely better than Down or Armaghs. They haven't exactly got All-stars coming out their butts. What is better is that they are far better organised, disciplined and focused.
Are you wise in the head? Have you not been watching Monaghan's progress over the last 5 years and the very recent unearthing of a few gems in both attack and defence...due mainly to their u21 conveyor belt.
You completely underestimate Monaghan and their obvious threat as an outside shout for honours this year. They have the perfect blend of youth and experience as well as playing and comfortably competing in Div1 annually. Add in a very astute and clued-in manager in Malachy O'Rourke and you have an excellent side.
Name me the Down players who would make Monaghan starting 15...id make it maybe 4 at a push.
Down will not win this game against Armagh. The applemunchers by at least 3pts.
Quote from: PAULD123 on May 22, 2017, 12:47:36 PM
Two bad teams with little prospect of success.
If either team had their players working together and playing the ball fast and simple with concentration then not only could they win they would be a fair competitor in a semi against Monaghan.
To be fair, that's exactly how Armagh played in the league. Inexperience (oh ok, refereeing decisions) cost them promotion, but going forward with pace hasn't been an issue.
Down Wans obviously haven't been paying attention to the Oranje through the league, glorious at times going forward, speed & accuracy aplenty. Shite at the back and the fact that it was Division 3 teams we did it against are the main drawbacks.
We'll have to pull back on the attacking flair and solidify at the back, I just hope we don't revert to the God awful football we had to endure in previous years. There's a definite balance to be found.
Totally winnable game for Armagh. Injuries in the defensive lines would be problematic. Only doubt otherwise is midfield. If we can put out a pairing that can break even we have enough elsewhere to get over the line.
Does it matter when a semi final hiding against Monaghan awaits?
Fancy Down to win by 3-4 points based on both league campaigns
Playing at the higher level should really stand by us
Any news coming out of either camps?
Tony your obsessed with Monaghan
Let it go and let's talk about this match
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
Does it matter when a semi final hiding against Monaghan awaits?
If sport matters at all then this game matters.
Even a pessimist like yourself must see the benefits of entering the qualifiers at a later stage
It matters for bragging rights in Newry,but those of us with longer memories will weep at how far both these counties are from the summit with little prospect of returning any time soon.
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2017, 11:30:00 PM
It matters for bragging rights in Newry,but those of us with longer memories will weep at how far both these counties are from the summit with little prospect of returning any time soon.
Interesting comments Tony.
We had 7 good years from 1999 before that we were mediocre
As an Armagh man I remember 1982-1999 whenever every season we started in hope but ended in despair
I remember down hammering us of the gate in 1992
Derry doing the same in the 90s before the two Brian's took charge
So for me Sunday counts, we have a decent group of committed players and the football has been good to watch.
If we can close the defence we will have a forward line that will do real damage.assuming we win we can then work towards the next game.
Attention seeker Fearon trying to ruin this thread too ::), you probably don't even like yourself ;).
Really can't believe i'm going to miss this game on Sunday but i've a feeling i'll get to see the replay as it could well finish off a draw, I don't think there is much between the teams TBH i'd have Armagh a few pts a better team than Down but playing Down in Newry is worth a few pts to them and could well finish up a draw, it should be close one way or the other.
I'm looking forward to this now - it should give us the first close game in the Ulster Championship at least. I feel that Armagh have a better attack (potentially) and can exploit Down's defensive issues. Nothing is certain of course but i would like to think that this Armagh team will finally begin to show some progress. Forwards like Jamie, Soupy, Murnin, Grugan, & O'Neill all have great scoring ability, something we haven't had one the one pitch for some time. Armagh by 4
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
Does it matter when a semi final hiding against Monaghan awaits?
Of course it matters. what a bloody stupid comment
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 29, 2017, 03:56:56 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
Does it matter when a semi final hiding against Monaghan awaits?
Of course it matters. what a bloody stupid comment
it matters all right. as a down man i dont want to be leaving newry on sunday listening to gloating armagh fans.
I am expecting Armagh to be on top for 65 minutes with Down scoring 3 goals in the last 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOV9O3NEUk
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 29, 2017, 04:04:14 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 29, 2017, 03:56:56 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 28, 2017, 07:59:52 PM
Does it matter when a semi final hiding against Monaghan awaits?
Of course it matters. what a bloody stupid comment
it matters all right. as a down man i dont want to be leaving newry on sunday listening to gloating armagh fans.
Tony's just p*ssed off he accidentally booked the Canal Court for last weekend instead.
Sadly this is a fixture effectively between two Division 3 teams,akin to a meeting of Fermanagh and Antrim, i.e. Meaningless in the grand scheme of things.Time was, when Ulster was a relatively level playing field,a win in this fixture could have been the catalyst for a real crack at an Ulster title.Now sadly the winner will be the weakest link in the semi finals among the big three,and no prospects for either team for a decent run in the qualifiers.It is painful for all true Armagh and Down fans who like me must be wondering how it was allowed to come to this.
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2017, 04:07:20 PM
I am expecting Armagh to be on top for 65 minutes with Down scoring 3 goals in the last 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOV9O3NEUk
https://youtu.be/y-eBq6htd6I?t=88
Quote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2017, 04:07:20 PM
I am expecting Armagh to be on top for 65 minutes with Down scoring 3 goals in the last 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOV9O3NEUk
https://youtu.be/y-eBq6htd6I?t=88
Those were the days. Great memories in 93.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 29, 2017, 06:29:40 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on May 29, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
Quote from: seafoid on May 29, 2017, 04:07:20 PM
I am expecting Armagh to be on top for 65 minutes with Down scoring 3 goals in the last 5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOV9O3NEUk
https://youtu.be/y-eBq6htd6I?t=88
Those were the days. Great memories in 93.
Plenty of games, anyway.
Lads we may give up. Not content with being the only true celtic fan in the board, Tony is also the only true Armagh fan. Are you even going to the game Tony?
If we don't overcommit men forward and stop Down running through the middle then we will win this
hopefully see more of this type of action of sunday
https://youtu.be/SMrp6E7v98o
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 29, 2017, 07:00:33 PM
Lads we may give up. Not content with being the only true celtic fan in the board, Tony is also the only true Armagh fan. Are you even going to the game Tony?
How do you work that out?
Are there any stand tickets available for this game. I want to bring my 6 yr old but he won't stand for the whole of minor and senior games. Unfortunately I'm not a club member anymore as I'm living in the south. Anyone know if supervalue still sell these tickets?
Quote from: snoopdog on May 29, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
Are there any stand tickets available for this game. I want to bring my 6 yr old but he won't stand for the whole of minor and senior games. Unfortunately I'm not a club member anymore as I'm living in the south. Anyone know if supervalue still sell these tickets?
Unless it's a wet day there'll be no problem sitting down in the terrace for the minor game.
We all used to do it that way!
Quote from: snoopdog on May 29, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
Are there any stand tickets available for this game. I want to bring my 6 yr old but he won't stand for the whole of minor and senior games. Unfortunately I'm not a club member anymore as I'm living in the south. Anyone know if supervalue still sell these tickets?
Try GAA.ie
Seriously I'd struggle to name 5 current Down players.I'll be there,there will be a big crowd,but it's a shame that neither team has much to look forward to this summer.
On Paddy Power Armagh are slight favourites for the match while they are 150/1 versus 200/1 for Down for the championship.
I don't know why they would be favourites because they couldn't get out of Division 3 despite being in pole position on the last day. And the manager ...
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2017, 11:38:33 PM
Seriously I'd struggle to name 5 current Down players.I'll be there,there will be a big crowd,but it's a shame that neither team has much to look forward to this summer.
Sure youd be hard pressed to name 5 players from your own club, let alone a county team.
The Uber supporter.
Armagh with a 1-3pt win at least. Its like buying money.
Brick why is it like buying money?On the basis of what?
Armagh just about beat Longford Antrim who both got hammered in the championship drew with sligo and lost to Tipp Laois in division 3
They beat Louth who just about beat Wicklow who finished bottom of division 4
They also beat Offaly without 6 of there best players who are now back
Down to win this by 3-4 buying money
McGeeney won't last the qualifiers
Armagh have better players than Down and they also have a manager with whom the players identify and weigh in behind.
You might not believe their management team is competent or any use but you can bet your bottom dollar that the Armagh players think higher of him than the Down players do of their management team.
Down are basically relying on Darren O'Hagan, Johnston x 2 & Mooney? When you look at the potential matchups I struggle to see where Down will make hay.
League form will count for nothing in this game.
Both managers under huge pressure to get s result in this match. The loser will probably be gone at the end of the season barring a miracle run through the qualifiers.
This game is too hard to call. Down have plied their trade in division 2 all winter and seem to have arrested their decline a little bit this season. Armagh were strongly tipped to get promoted from division 3 but failed to get promoted after a last day defeat to Tipperary. Neither team have got very many top class players at the moment and the closeness of the contest together with the fact that it is a local derby should make it absorbing if nothing else. Wouldn't like to call the result but wouldn't be surprised if it took a replay to sort this out.
A lot of stock being put in Down halting their slide to Division 3 with a draw v Cork. Cork showed exactly were they are at v Waterford at the weekend. Whereas Armagh's last day sickener against Tipp should be a great motivational step off point.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2017, 08:57:08 AM
Brick why is it like buying money?On the basis of what?
Armagh just about beat Longford Antrim who both got hammered in the championship drew with sligo and lost to Tipp Laois in division 3
They beat Louth who just about beat Wicklow who finished bottom of division 4
They also beat Offaly without 6 of there best players who are now back
Down to win this by 3-4 buying money
McGeeney won't last the qualifiers
I still think Down will win but you can't use that logic. If you want to go down that road, Down were well beaten by Fermanagh (who were well beaten by Monaghan), and got a grand total of 1pt in the league against Clare and Cork who managed one point wins over footballing superpowers Limerick and Waterford. In a game like this the league doesn't matter one bit.
Fair point Ogra.I just think Down will have a little bit to much for Armagh.The Johnstones O Hagan x2 Mooney Maginn McGovern and O Hanlon are all top players.If they all start on Sunday which they should then we should win.Armagh have some great players also but I just think they are very very suspect at the back.It promises to be a great game
Down bucked up after losing their first 2 games in the league. It's a local derby. And Geezer is a poor tactician . I think Armagh with a different manager would do better.
Last year they both went out in the first round of the qualifiers
Smurfy who will do all the scoring for Down to win this game?
Where is the heavy firepower in the team?
Down will need to score a few goals I fear because I don't see where they will score 13+ points from.
Against Armagh's defence Down could score 2-11...easily...
Score line Down 2-11 Armagh 1-14
Armagh to win replay by 5pts
J Johnstone likely to kick 4-5 points
B O Hagan 3 points
R Johnstone 2
D O Hanlon 1-2
C Mooney 1-2
C Maginn 1
D O Hagen 1
K McKernan 1
Then add in 1 or 2 goals from any of the above and can see Down scoring 1-14 in this game but can't see Armagh getting any more than that.
If Down can score 1-14 they will win the game
How many points did Jerome Johnston kick off James Morgan the last time the two met?
What's that got to do with the Down v Armagh game?
Sure Chris McKaigue scored 4 points off D Connolly a few months ago would he do the same against Dublin?Jerome also scored 2-5 off Drew Wylie in the club championship a few seasons ago doubt he would do the same against a better Monaghan
Crossmaglen went onto win 2 all irelands this Armagh team can't even get out of division 3
Tipp scored 3 goals
Longford 3 goals
Sligo 2 goals
Loais 2-3 goals
No youre right, what was I thinking?
The fact that arguably Armagh's best defender has already came out on top against arguably Down's best forward has absolutely nothing to do with the game this weekend when they could be potentially matched up again. Nothing...nada.
Quote from: BennyCake on May 29, 2017, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on May 29, 2017, 07:00:33 PM
Lads we may give up. Not content with being the only true celtic fan in the board, Tony is also the only true Armagh fan. Are you even going to the game Tony?
How do you work that out?
Ah sure I'm just taking the mick out his posts here and the celtic thread
Kilcoo v Crossmaglen has absolutely no relevance in what happens the Sunday.
None whatsoever.
Morgan may have got the better of him before that doesn't automatically mean that's going to happen again
Who have you down to mark O Hagan by the way?Vernon?
Field day for O Hagen
Quote from: T Fearon on May 29, 2017, 11:38:33 PM
Seriously I'd struggle to name 5 current Down players.I'll be there,there will be a big crowd,but it's a shame that neither team has much to look forward to this summer.
Go to the game Tony. Hopefully enjoy it and sure we will worry about what comes next when it comes next
Quote from: Smurfy123 on May 30, 2017, 12:15:08 PM
Kilcoo v Crossmaglen has absolutely no relevance in what happens the Sunday.
None whatsoever.
Morgan may have got the better of him before that doesn't automatically mean that's going to happen again
Who have you down to mark O Hagan by the way?Vernon?
Field day for O Hagen
Kilcoo v Cross has no relevance youre right, but an individual battle between two players does and we've already seen the result of that battle first day out so it gives a decent indication of things.
Shea Heffron or Paul Hughes would likely be matched to O'Hagan.
Who will mark Jamie Clarke, Campbell, Oisin O'Neill, Rory Grugan, Murnin?
Down simply don't have the same array of quality that Armagh do.
A lot more will have to go right for Down to win this game than it will for Armagh.
The problem Armagh will have will be securing primary possession round the middle of the field. There is no point having an array of forward without the ball. The team that can convert middle third possession to good ball into the forward lines will win. That may seem pretty obvious but that's the fulcrum of any game and that is where I think Armagh may struggle
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on May 30, 2017, 12:56:46 PM
The problem Armagh will have will be securing primary possession round the middle of the field. There is no point having an array of forward without the ball. The team that can convert middle third possession to good ball into the forward lines will win. That may seem pretty obvious but that's the fulcrum of any game and that is where I think Armagh may struggle
You're lucky that it wouldn't be Down's biggest strength then.
I agree BCB1 and i think down's midfield is as poor as ours TBH so heads or tails
Maybe we should create a trophy for this one. Like the Calcutta cup in rugby. Both teams are equally shite and won't progress far in the c'ship.
Quote from: thewobbler on May 29, 2017, 09:28:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 29, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
Are there any stand tickets available for this game. I want to bring my 6 yr old but he won't stand for the whole of minor and senior games. Unfortunately I'm not a club member anymore as I'm living in the south. Anyone know if supervalue still sell these tickets?
[/quote,
Unless it's a wet day there'll be no problem sitting down in the terrace for the minor game.
We all used to do it that way!
[/quote
1 more question on tickets. Do supervalue still sell them.
Quote from: snoopdog on May 30, 2017, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 29, 2017, 09:28:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 29, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
Are there any stand tickets available for this game. I want to bring my 6 yr old but he won't stand for the whole of minor and senior games. Unfortunately I'm not a club member anymore as I'm living in the south. Anyone know if supervalue still sell these tickets?
[/quote,
Unless it's a wet day there'll be no problem sitting down in the terrace for the minor game.
We all used to do it that way!
[/quote
1 more question on tickets. Do supervalue still sell them.
yeah supervalu still do tickets, just terrace tickets for this game afaik. clubs only got a handful of stand tickets each, rest went to season ticket holders, players families, officials, sponsors etc etc.
Quote from: illdecide on May 30, 2017, 03:09:15 PM
I agree BCB1 and i think down's midfield is as poor as ours TBH so heads or tails
Lads I think some are being a little disrespectful to players here. Midfield, as the current game stands, is not the area it once was i.e. four 6' 2" guys competing for long kick outs. It's more about energy, positional sense and passing ability. Don't know about Down but Armagh whether it be Sheridan O'Neill or Ethan have the required tools for that job. So midfield doesn't worry me.
Quote from: you take er! on May 30, 2017, 06:04:20 PM
Quote from: illdecide on May 30, 2017, 03:09:15 PM
I agree BCB1 and i think down's midfield is as poor as ours TBH so heads or tails
Lads I think some are being a little disrespectful to players here. Midfield, as the current game stands, is not the area it once was i.e. four 6' 2" guys competing for long kick outs. It's more about energy, positional sense and passing ability. Don't know about Down but Armagh whether it be Sheridan O'Neill or Ethan have the required tools for that job. So midfield doesn't worry me.
Midfield worries me. A lot
Quote from: BennyCake on May 30, 2017, 03:25:44 PM
Maybe we should create a trophy for this one. Like the Calcutta cup in rugby. Both teams are equally shite and won't progress far in the c'ship.
Armagh and Down have been fighting longer than the Calcutta Cup. It all started with O'Hanlons v Maginness's in 14-15 century. And then O'Neill and O'Hanlon had a go at Bagnal. Actually I'm a bit miffed that there is an O'Hanlon playing for Down.
And I hope he has the last laugh on Sunday!!
Any teamnews coming out of either camp?
By the sound of things both team will have full squads to choose from with the exception of mcardle and mcaleenan who have been out this month
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 30, 2017, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 30, 2017, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 29, 2017, 09:28:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 29, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
Are there any stand tickets available for this game. I want to bring my 6 yr old but he won't stand for the whole of minor and senior games. Unfortunately I'm not a club member anymore as I'm living in the south. Anyone know if supervalue still sell these tickets?
[/quote,
Unless it's a wet day there'll be no problem sitting down in the terrace for the minor game.
We all used to do it that way!
[/quote
1 more question on tickets. Do supervalue still sell them.
yeah supervalu still do tickets, just terrace tickets for this game afaik. clubs only got a handful of stand tickets each, rest went to season ticket holders, players families, officials, sponsors etc etc.
Thanks
Quote from: snoopdog on May 31, 2017, 11:50:22 AM
Quote from: SHEEDY on May 30, 2017, 05:54:08 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 30, 2017, 03:37:28 PM
Quote from: thewobbler on May 29, 2017, 09:28:38 PM
Quote from: snoopdog on May 29, 2017, 09:23:38 PM
Are there any stand tickets available for this game. I want to bring my 6 yr old but he won't stand for the whole of minor and senior games. Unfortunately I'm not a club member anymore as I'm living in the south. Anyone know if supervalue still sell these tickets?
[/quote,
Unless it's a wet day there'll be no problem sitting down in the terrace for the minor game.
We all used to do it that way!
[/quote
1 more question on tickets. Do supervalue still sell them.
yeah supervalu still do tickets, just terrace tickets for this game afaik. clubs only got a handful of stand tickets each, rest went to season ticket holders, players families, officials, sponsors etc etc.
Thanks
Just be warned lads that I dont think Supervalue do pensioner/Juvenile/Student tickets. You'll need to order those from a club or buy them directly from the County Board. They will be on sale in Castlewellan and Newry all week. Times below:
Wednesday 31st May 10.00am to 4.00pm County Office Castlewellan
7.30pm to 9.00pm County Office Pairc Esler
Thursday 1st June 9.30am to 11.30am County Office Pairc Esler
12.00pm to 4.00pm County Office Castlewellan
7.30pm to 9.00pm County Office Castlewellan
Friday 2nd June 9.30am to 11.30am County Office Pairc Esler
12.00pm to 4.00pm County Office Castlewellan
Saturday 3rd June 10.00am to 12.00pm County Office Pairc Esler
2.00pm to 4.00pm County Office Castlewellan
The latest forecast is for scattered and occasionally heavy showers on Sunday. Should we bother turning up at all ?
Just won 2 tickets courtesy of EirGAA! 8)
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2017, 02:11:57 PM
Just won 2 tickets courtesy of EirGAA! 8)
No doubt you'll be giving them to children in your club as you couldn't care less yourself.
I do care and will be there.But my outlay has to be recouped
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0531/879421-mcconville-this-is-an-armagh-team-to-get-excited-about/
Let's hope Armagh only get two opportunities to "turn heads this Summer".
Let's hope Eamon Burns decides to commit to a more attacking game plan on Sunday, Armagh's defence has conceded quite a few goals but we won't trouble them by playing one man in the full forward line, we need O'hagan and Jerome Johnston up there and support coming from half forwards and/or midfielders, 15 points should win this game!!
I am usually optimistic going in to any game, but not so much this week. I saw Down v Meath in a challenge game about 3 weeks ago and it was dreadful.
I keep telling myself not to read too much into such a fixture but it was a shocking performance, not only that, morale looked low.
Because we have no ballwinner in midfield, we were taking short kick outs and it was leading to all sorts of problems, losing posession in our own half with the defence being overrun.
Our forwards were isolated in comparison, being swallowed up by defenders, slow, deliberate handpasses between the two 45s with no forward momentum. It was hard to watch.
Hopefully the championship gets the blood up we get the rub of the green. Unfortunately i dont think we have enough paper to cover up the cracks.
Worry not,it does not matter.No joy even in either team beating their equally poor opponents,you cannot brag on the basis that we are shit but not as shit as you.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 12:19:29 AM
Worry not,it does not matter.No joy even in either team beating their equally poor opponents,you cannot brag on the basis that we are shit but not as shit as you.
Is this not the entire basis of Louth GAA?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 12:19:29 AM
Worry not,it does not matter.No joy even in either team beating their equally poor opponents,you cannot brag on the basis that we are shit but not as shit as you.
ridiculous. It does matter and there is joy. I really hope you arent going
I am going.
Predition:
Down 2-8 Armagh 0-17
Down: 2 black, 2 yellows, 0 red
Armagh: 0 black, 2 yellow, 1 red (Forker)
I'm expecting an Armagh win, and potentially a hefty margin if they start well.
The reason for this is they haven't been swallowed up in the over-tactical, rigid, robotic football style that Derry, Fermanagh and (I'm expecting) Down have chosen to furrow.
The thing is, I have nothing but respect for what Jimmy did at Donegal. But his game plan was vested in giving a backbone to a squad of players who had the talent to challenge for silverware against the best teams, but lacked the middle.
This isn't the case for those 3 counties. All that rigid tactics for them do is stall the almost inevitable collapse brought on by tiredness and a lack of confidence to go on a scoring blitz.
Armagh will get unstuck by better teams later in the summer; but that's not a tactical issue - it's simply down to personnel.
But at least their players and fans should come away from the Championship with some happy memories.
Down won't.
Two teams who have been inconsistent in recent years who would fancy beating one another, I think it won't be an overly tactical affair, hoping for a shootout as Armagh would have more of an attacking threat.
Although both teams would be doing well to get past Monaghan/Cavan, should be one of the more interesting matches of the Ulster Championship as it is genuinely hard to call.
It on the TV?
Genuinely think that the senior game will be a close call. Down really aren't as bad as some quarters make out.
Both teams have suspect defences and decent inter county standard forward lines.
Midfield is much of a muchness between the two.
The slight edge Down might have is that they have a division two campaign behind them. That just might swing it for them.
I think too we might get a minor win under a our belts which would be a good start to the day.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 31, 2017, 02:56:01 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2017, 02:11:57 PM
Just won 2 tickets courtesy of EirGAA! 8)
No doubt you'll be giving them to children in your club as you couldn't care less yourself.
Thats an arrogant statement considering you dont know the man, if you did you would know Tony is a diehard Armagh fan, but hey, keep on letting his detractors influence your opinion newbie, theres a good sheep!
Up Armagh! )
Quote from: stew on June 01, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 31, 2017, 02:56:01 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2017, 02:11:57 PM
Just won 2 tickets courtesy of EirGAA! 8)
No doubt you'll be giving them to children in your club as you couldn't care less yourself.
Thats an arrogant statement considering you dont know the man, if you did you would know Tony is a diehard Armagh fan, but hey, keep on letting his detractors influence your opinion newbie, theres a good sheep!
Up Armagh! )
::)
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 08:54:48 AM
I am going.
I really wonder why given your comments thus far
On a different note, theres rumours, posted on the county forum, that there may be an outfielder in goals for Armagh. I really hope that's not true
The year that Down last beat Armagh in the championship Charles Haughey resigned as Taoiseach,Bill Clinton became US president,Prince Charles and Diana separated,Euro Disney opened in Paris, Denmark were crowned kings of European soccer and Windows 3.1 was released by Microsoft.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 01, 2017, 12:49:01 PM
The year that Down last beat Armagh in the championship Charles Haughey resigned as Taoiseach,Bill Clinton became US president,Prince Charles and Diana separated,Euro Disney opened in Paris, Denmark were crowned kings of European soccer and Windows 3.1 was released by Microsoft.
Those of you too young to remember what life was like then can reenter an older world https://classicreload.com/windows-31.html
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 01, 2017, 12:49:01 PM
The year that Down last beat Armagh in the championship Charles Haughey resigned as Taoiseach,Bill Clinton became US president,Prince Charles and Diana separated,Euro Disney opened in Paris, Denmark were crowned kings of European soccer and Windows 3.1 was released by Microsoft.
But we won the minors that day!
My late brother was the Armagh team Doctor that day,in fact I came across that match programme from 1992 just the other night while clearing out my recently deceased dad's house.
Sunlight days indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwJxTkbypZk
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
My late brother was the Armagh team Doctor that day,in fact I came across that match programme from 1992 just the other night while clearing out my recently deceased dad's house.
Sorry to hear that Tony. Been there myself so I know what you're going through.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 03:23:56 PM
My late brother was the Armagh team Doctor that day,in fact I came across that match programme from 1992 just the other night while clearing out my recently deceased dad's house.
My condolences, T.
I'd say I have that program lying about somewhere too.
Sympathies Tony
Thanks.
Quote from: stew on June 01, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on May 31, 2017, 02:56:01 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on May 31, 2017, 02:11:57 PM
Just won 2 tickets courtesy of EirGAA! 8)
No doubt you'll be giving them to children in your club as you couldn't care less yourself.
Thats an arrogant statement considering you dont know the man, if you did you would know Tony is a diehard Armagh fan, but hey, keep on letting his detractors influence your opinion newbie, theres a good sheep!
Up Armagh! )
+1
Good article in the Irish News today about the longevity of the Armagh Down rivalry,from former Armagh manager and nephew of the legendary Tommy,Peter Makem,including many things I didn't know,like Sean O'Neill's father was a Keady man for example.
I recall many great clashes,like the one played in a snow blizzard in Newry in 1980,when you could barely see the play so thick was the snowfall,yet there was a full house for this league fixture.
Just wish both teams had higher profiles currently.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 07:28:06 PM
Good article in the Irish News today about the longevity of the Armagh Down rivalry,from former Armagh manager and nephew of the legendary Tommy,Peter Makem,including many things I didn't know,like Sean O'Neill's father was a Keady man for example.
I recall many great clashes,like the one played in a snow blizzard in Newry in 1980,when you could barely see the play so thick was the snowfall,yet there was a full house for this league fixture.
Just wish both teams had higher profiles currently.
The funny thing Tony though is that down rarely have high profiles. They pull together with a particular group and are able to generate something out of nothing...it's the arrogance built on them that means they can create championship winning teams without any previous real pedigree. I feel both counties are suffering from the lack of success in the 2 newry schools. They have been the bedrock for both counties for years and have not really produced consistently in recent years. Also in armaghs case the lack of success in Lurgan clubs has been very detrimental. Armagh need a strong Clans team I would venture more than any other team bar ourselves. That wee bit of Francis street swagger was always a key to Armagh success.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2017, 03:34:51 PM
Sunlight days indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwJxTkbypZk
Is that Jackie Fullerton doing the overview ?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 01, 2017, 07:44:57 PM
The funny thing Tony though is that down rarely have high profiles. They pull together with a particular group and are able to generate something out of nothing...it's the arrogance built on them that means they can create championship winning teams without any previous real pedigree. I feel both counties are suffering from the lack of success in the 2 newry schools. They have been the bedrock for both counties for years and have not really produced consistently in recent years. Also in armaghs case the lack of success in Lurgan clubs has been very detrimental. Armagh need a strong Clans team I would venture more than any other team bar ourselves. That wee bit of Francis street swagger was always a key to Armagh success.
Agree about the Newry schools not delivering the players of the past but Bessbrook has made a good breakthrough and St Ronan's in Lurgan is doing a similar job. On the other hand , Tony's old school in Armagh has done nothing for many years and has had some of those in the Armagh setup and managers of many club and county teams taking the teams. The emergence of Cavan from its torpor was due in some considerable part to the county board taking a direct involvement in the development of football at college level. There needs to be a similar strategy in Armagh to make the most of development in the schools.
Quote from: seafoid on June 01, 2017, 08:00:09 PM
Quote from: armaghniac on June 01, 2017, 03:34:51 PM
Sunlight days indeed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwJxTkbypZk
Is that Jackie Fullerton doing the overview ?
yeah thats our jackie alright.
Go to 1:00m into this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34
There are far too many clubs in and around Lurgan.Is there another mid sized town in Ireland that boasts 7 GAA clubs within a 4-5 mile radius?
My old school has tutored the likes of Sean Cavanagh etc, but provided precious little for Armagh.
Armagh Facebook page names their team as B Hughes, Morgan, Vernon, P Hughes, McKay, Donaghy, Shields, Sheridan, Grimley, Forker, O'Neill, Grogan, Clarke, Campbell, Murnin.
Looks like a decent set of forwards.
Quote from: Targetman on May 31, 2017, 08:59:04 PM
Let's hope Eamon Burns decides to commit to a more attacking game plan on Sunday, Armagh's defence has conceded quite a few goals but we won't trouble them by playing one man in the full forward line, we need O'hagan and Jerome Johnston up there and support coming from half forwards and/or midfielders, 15 points should win this game!!
If you think Armagh eill score 14 or less you will lose.
Happy enough with that Armagh side
We can have no excuses
Looking forward to Sunday
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 01, 2017, 08:53:59 PM
Go to 1:00m into this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34
Never get sick of that cheers 5sams
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 01, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Armagh Facebook page names their team as B Hughes, Morgan, Vernon, P Hughes, McKay, Donaghy, Shields, Sheridan, Grimley, Forker, O'Neill, Grogan, Clarke, Campbell, Murnin.
Looks like a decent set of forwards.
Strong team. Hope it starts. Any subs named?
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 01, 2017, 10:36:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 01, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Armagh Facebook page names their team as B Hughes, Morgan, Vernon, P Hughes, McKay, Donaghy, Shields, Sheridan, Grimley, Forker, O'Neill, Grogan, Clarke, Campbell, Murnin.
Looks like a decent set of forwards.
Strong team. Hope it starts. Any subs named?
Add in the McGeeney factor also, highly respected nationally. Will make a difference in the tight calls.
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 01, 2017, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: mcklatchee on June 01, 2017, 10:36:21 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 01, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Armagh Facebook page names their team as B Hughes, Morgan, Vernon, P Hughes, McKay, Donaghy, Shields, Sheridan, Grimley, Forker, O'Neill, Grogan, Clarke, Campbell, Murnin.
Looks like a decent set of forwards.
Strong team. Hope it starts. Any subs named?
Add in the McGeeney factor also, highly respected nationally. Will make a difference in the tight calls.
Quit
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 01, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Armagh Facebook page names their team as B Hughes, Morgan, Vernon, P Hughes, McKay, Donaghy, Shields, Sheridan, Grimley, Forker, O'Neill, Grogan, Clarke, Campbell, Murnin.
Looks like a decent set of forwards.
I'm starting to feel sorry for Down already.
Quote from: Orior on June 01, 2017, 10:52:03 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 01, 2017, 09:05:58 PM
Armagh Facebook page names their team as B Hughes, Morgan, Vernon, P Hughes, McKay, Donaghy, Shields, Sheridan, Grimley, Forker, O'Neill, Grogan, Clarke, Campbell, Murnin.
Looks like a decent set of forwards.
I'm starting to feel sorry for Down already.
Down will be well prepared for this game
Hopefully it's open and enjoyable
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 09:00:30 PM
There are far too many clubs in and around Lurgan.Is there another mid sized town in Ireland that boasts 7 GAA clubs within a 4-5 mile radius?
My old school has tutored the likes of Sean Cavanagh etc, but provided precious little for Armagh.
Assuming you went to St Pats? I'm sure Cavanagh was only there for two years. Jordan was there for the7, as was my old pal Ryan Mellon
I see the Orange men named a good line up last night
I wonder will we leave it until Sunday to let the supporters know our team
It's the worst kept secret anyway
Cunningham
Doherty
McGovern
O Hagen
O Hanlon
McGovern
Mooney
Carr Murphy
Turley
Millar
Maginn
R Johnstone
J Johnstone
B O Hagen
K McKernan
Be great for the supporters if we just released an official team
Are the home team allowed 16? Referee!
Quote from: 5 Sams on June 01, 2017, 08:53:59 PM
Go to 1:00m into this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjEkjeVzL34
This is also very good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l4JA4C3Qis
I heard some politican whistling as per the videos in an interview the other day
Carr/Murphy
We won't need 16 believe me!
That Armagh defence have been brilliant in Division 3
You could drive a bus through it ffs
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 02, 2017, 08:31:24 AM
I see the Orange men named a good line up last night
I wonder will we leave it until Sunday to let the supporters know our team
It's the worst kept secret anyway
Cunningham
Doherty
McGovern
O Hagen
O Hanlon
McGovern
Mooney
Carr Murphy
Turley
Millar
Maginn
R Johnstone
J Johnstone
B O Hagen
K McKernan
Be great for the supporters if we just released an official team
Why do Down continually do this. It's not as if they gain any advantage if you look at our championship results this last 23 years. Are they that unorganised or does every manager we have had think it's a good idea. The successful teams don't have a problem releasing team info. Professionally run I suppose.
At least McGeeney has given the younger lads who performed well in the league a chance in the championship. Also good to see the captaincy going to Rory Grugan. No excuses.
Quote from: snoopdog on June 02, 2017, 09:29:10 AM
Why do Down continually do this. It's not as if they gain any advantage if you look at our championship results this last 23 years. Are they that unorganised or does every manager we have had think it's a good idea. The successful teams don't have a problem releasing team info. Professionally run I suppose.
As it has happened with every manager then I think it would be reasonable to assume it is not the managers but the PRO/Secretary who makes this decision to delay naming teams.....
Your team is submitted to HQ on Thursdays before a championship game nowadays so it seems the Down Pro is a little slow making the team public.
On the game. Both sides have good scoring forwards and less than great defences and it should be a high scoring game with plenty of goals.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 01, 2017, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 07:28:06 PM
Good article in the Irish News today about the longevity of the Armagh Down rivalry,from former Armagh manager and nephew of the legendary Tommy,Peter Makem,including many things I didn't know,like Sean O'Neill's father was a Keady man for example.
I recall many great clashes,like the one played in a snow blizzard in Newry in 1980,when you could barely see the play so thick was the snowfall,yet there was a full house for this league fixture.
Just wish both teams had higher profiles currently.
The funny thing Tony though is that down rarely have high profiles. They pull together with a particular group and are able to generate something out of nothing...it's the arrogance built on them that means they can create championship winning teams without any previous real pedigree. I feel both counties are suffering from the lack of success in the 2 newry schools. They have been the bedrock for both counties for years and have not really produced consistently in recent years. Also in armaghs case the lack of success in Lurgan clubs has been very detrimental. Armagh need a strong Clans team I would venture more than any other team bar ourselves. That wee bit of Francis street swagger was always a key to Armagh success.
I think clann eireann have taken up the role as c**k of the north when it comes to cocky Lurgan clubs, a lot of talk of them challenging for the championship and they've only played a handful of league games and they're a road bowl mile off cross getting hammered recently. Not sure I agree on the newry schools point, probably because the emergence of St. Paul's bessbrook and st Ronan's in Lurgan has meant pupils who might have went out of their way to go to newry for football are now going out of their way to go the aforementioned instead.
Quote from: general_lee on June 02, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 01, 2017, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 07:28:06 PM
Good article in the Irish News today about the longevity of the Armagh Down rivalry,from former Armagh manager and nephew of the legendary Tommy,Peter Makem,including many things I didn't know,like Sean O'Neill's father was a Keady man for example.
I recall many great clashes,like the one played in a snow blizzard in Newry in 1980,when you could barely see the play so thick was the snowfall,yet there was a full house for this league fixture.
Just wish both teams had higher profiles currently.
The funny thing Tony though is that down rarely have high profiles. They pull together with a particular group and are able to generate something out of nothing...it's the arrogance built on them that means they can create championship winning teams without any previous real pedigree. I feel both counties are suffering from the lack of success in the 2 newry schools. They have been the bedrock for both counties for years and have not really produced consistently in recent years. Also in armaghs case the lack of success in Lurgan clubs has been very detrimental. Armagh need a strong Clans team I would venture more than any other team bar ourselves. That wee bit of Francis street swagger was always a key to Armagh success.
I think clann eireann have taken up the role as c**k of the north when it comes to cocky Lurgan clubs, a lot of talk of them challenging for the championship and they've only played a handful of league games and they're a road bowl mile off cross getting hammered recently. Not sure I agree on the newry schools point, probably because the emergence of St. Paul's bessbrook and st Ronan's in Lurgan has meant pupils who might have went out of their way to go to newry for football are now going out of their way to go the aforementioned instead.
The emergence of St Ronan's and St Paul's has not seen any major trophies land in either school. In my time at the abbey I played on teams that won Dalton, Corn Na nOg and 3 Rannafasts. Those teams had the McEntees, Mc Nultys, Aidan O'Rourke, Oisin, Barry Duffy, Geezer and Cathal O Rourke were a year or 2 above. In St Colmans at the same time Paul McGrane and Diarmuid were winning their fair share of trophies and Tierney had already been through that process. If fact 10 of the team that played in 2002 played for either school. If you look at Down then it's even higher. The failure of these two schools to really contribute significantly at schools level has had an impact in my opinion
It is sad to see Clan Na Gael currently with Intermediate status.With its history and facilities etc this is one massive club.Would there be as much as a three mile radius even between the following 5 clubs? Clan Na Gael,Clann Eireann,St Peters,St Paul's and Eire Og?
Also when did the County team last play a competitive game in Davitt Park? Far cry from the 80s when Kerry and Dublin regularly played there.
The thing is though Tony, in regards to David, most counties only have 1 and max 2 county grounds. Down play all their games in newry. Tyrone in Omagh, Monaghan in Clones and Louth in Drogheda. We were actually discussing this there recently about Cross. It probably had the finest playing surface in the county and barely gets a club championship. There's a big pot to pay for year in the Athletic grounds so all games will be there for th foreseeable future.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2017, 02:50:26 PM
The thing is though Tony, in regards to David, most counties only have 1 and max 2 county grounds. Down play all their games in newry. Tyrone in Omagh, Monaghan in Clones and Louth in Drogheda. We were actually discussing this there recently about Cross. It probably had the finest playing surface in the county and barely gets a club championship. There's a big pot to pay for year in the Athletic grounds so all games will be there for th foreseeable future.
Monaghan is the least good example here, but the point holds true, at one time Down played in Newcastle but not any more. The Athletic grounds is well appointed and central within the county, so there isn't a strong justification for moving games around. If only they would sell proper coffee there the Athletic grounds would do the job.
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2017, 02:35:28 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 02, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 01, 2017, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 07:28:06 PM
Good article in the Irish News today about the longevity of the Armagh Down rivalry,from former Armagh manager and nephew of the legendary Tommy,Peter Makem,including many things I didn't know,like Sean O'Neill's father was a Keady man for example.
I recall many great clashes,like the one played in a snow blizzard in Newry in 1980,when you could barely see the play so thick was the snowfall,yet there was a full house for this league fixture.
Just wish both teams had higher profiles currently.
The funny thing Tony though is that down rarely have high profiles. They pull together with a particular group and are able to generate something out of nothing...it's the arrogance built on them that means they can create championship winning teams without any previous real pedigree. I feel both counties are suffering from the lack of success in the 2 newry schools. They have been the bedrock for both counties for years and have not really produced consistently in recent years. Also in armaghs case the lack of success in Lurgan clubs has been very detrimental. Armagh need a strong Clans team I would venture more than any other team bar ourselves. That wee bit of Francis street swagger was always a key to Armagh success.
I think clann eireann have taken up the role as c**k of the north when it comes to cocky Lurgan clubs, a lot of talk of them challenging for the championship and they've only played a handful of league games and they're a road bowl mile off cross getting hammered recently. Not sure I agree on the newry schools point, probably because the emergence of St. Paul's bessbrook and st Ronan's in Lurgan has meant pupils who might have went out of their way to go to newry for football are now going out of their way to go the aforementioned instead.
The emergence of St Ronan's and St Paul's has not seen any major trophies land in either school. In my time at the abbey I played on teams that won Dalton, Corn Na nOg and 3 Rannafasts. Those teams had the McEntees, Mc Nultys, Aidan O'Rourke, Oisin, Barry Duffy, Geezer and Cathal O Rourke were a year or 2 above. In St Colmans at the same time Paul McGrane and Diarmuid were winning their fair share of trophies and Tierney had already been through that process. If fact 10 of the team that played in 2002 played for either school. If you look at Down then it's even higher. The failure of these two schools to really contribute significantly at schools level has had an impact in my opinion
Are 2010 and 2011 Hogan cup wins not recent?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 02, 2017, 02:35:28 PM
Quote from: general_lee on June 02, 2017, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 01, 2017, 07:44:57 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 01, 2017, 07:28:06 PM
Good article in the Irish News today about the longevity of the Armagh Down rivalry,from former Armagh manager and nephew of the legendary Tommy,Peter Makem,including many things I didn't know,like Sean O'Neill's father was a Keady man for example.
I recall many great clashes,like the one played in a snow blizzard in Newry in 1980,when you could barely see the play so thick was the snowfall,yet there was a full house for this league fixture.
Just wish both teams had higher profiles currently.
The funny thing Tony though is that down rarely have high profiles. They pull together with a particular group and are able to generate something out of nothing...it's the arrogance built on them that means they can create championship winning teams without any previous real pedigree. I feel both counties are suffering from the lack of success in the 2 newry schools. They have been the bedrock for both counties for years and have not really produced consistently in recent years. Also in armaghs case the lack of success in Lurgan clubs has been very detrimental. Armagh need a strong Clans team I would venture more than any other team bar ourselves. That wee bit of Francis street swagger was always a key to Armagh success.
I think clann eireann have taken up the role as c**k of the north when it comes to cocky Lurgan clubs, a lot of talk of them challenging for the championship and they've only played a handful of league games and they're a road bowl mile off cross getting hammered recently. Not sure I agree on the newry schools point, probably because the emergence of St. Paul's bessbrook and st Ronan's in Lurgan has meant pupils who might have went out of their way to go to newry for football are now going out of their way to go the aforementioned instead.
The emergence of St Ronan's and St Paul's has not seen any major trophies land in either school. In my time at the abbey I played on teams that won Dalton, Corn Na nOg and 3 Rannafasts. Those teams had the McEntees, Mc Nultys, Aidan O'Rourke, Oisin, Barry Duffy, Geezer and Cathal O Rourke were a year or 2 above. In St Colmans at the same time Paul McGrane and Diarmuid were winning their fair share of trophies and Tierney had already been through that process. If fact 10 of the team that played in 2002 played for either school. If you look at Down then it's even higher. The failure of these two schools to really contribute significantly at schools level has had an impact in my opinion
the point is though pupils are now being attracting to these schools and therefore diluting the talent pool the newry schools would have enjoyed.
20 years ago you wouldn't go to st Michaels for football, you went to Armagh or Newry. There are young fellas from trasna who's fathers uncles and cousins went to newry are now starting to stay put and go to st Ronans instead. Do you think a young marsden or mcgrane would go to newry if the local school was competing at McRory at the time?
Quote from: T Fearon on June 02, 2017, 02:36:55 PM
It is sad to see Clan Na Gael currently with Intermediate status.With its history and facilities etc this is one massive club.Would there be as much as a three mile radius even between the following 5 clubs? Clan Na Gael,Clann Eireann,St Peters,St Paul's and Eire Og?
Also when did the County team last play a competitive game in Davitt Park? Far cry from the 80s when Kerry and Dublin regularly played there.
Was it not a psychological thing playing in Davitt? Playing the big guns surrounded by all the political/republican/troubles situations. Scare the shite out of them, and they just wanted to play the game and get the hell out of Lurgan. Mind you, I suppose even now, many are still keen to get the hell out of Lurgan.
Quote from: mackers on June 02, 2017, 12:07:42 PM
At least McGeeney has given the younger lads who performed well in the league a chance in the championship. Also good to see the captaincy going to Rory Grugan. No excuses.
From the players available that's our strongest team.
The keeper has taken his chance. The forwards did well in the league though admittedly in division 3. Midfield is still untested but those 2 did show individual promise. From the league the big issues were kick outs and the defence. Kick outs did improve. Hopefully the past 6 weeks or so were spent on that defence.
I would expect Down to be defensive. Tight marking of Campbell and Clarke and trying to hit us on the break. The know the way to get us is to run through the middle
Down team to face Armagh
1. Micheal Cunningham
2. Anthony Doherty
3. Gearard McGovern
4. Darren O'Hagan
5. Darragh O'Hanlon
6. Conaill McGovern
7. Caolan Mooney
8. Kevin McKernan
9. Niall Donnelly
10. Joe Murphy
11. Conor Maginn
12. Shay Millar
13. Jerome Johnston
14. Barry O'Hagan
15. Connaire Harrison
Ogra what's your thoughts on the team?
Who will move where?
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 02, 2017, 10:06:31 PM
Ogra what's your thoughts on the team?
Who will move where?
I don't actually live in Ireland these days so all I've seen of them were the three league games on TV but obviously McKernan will drop back as a sweeper, hopefully in a freer role to roam about where he wants. Mooney will be relied upon to burst at pace up the middle, but I'd say Barry O'Hagan and Jerome Johnston will be left isolated up front which would worry me because they're not exactly big men. I think Joe Murphy plays a bigger part from the team than most give him credit for but he's liable to pick up a black card and I don't think Sunday will be much different.
If they play like they did in parts against Meath, breaking at pace with men constantly off the shoulder then I think they can get at Armagh, but if it's the slow hand passing around the 45 nonsense that they adopted against Fermanagh then we're in for a long day. Barry O'Hagan has hopefully learned how to square the ball across the goal to the open man when he's through 2v1 against the keeper too.
All in all, with a full house there it's really too close to call. Home advantage doesn't mean much when a lot of the Armagh players would have played in Newry for schools and club matches before plus the crowd will be 50/50. Was far more confident seven days ago than I am now.
Don't forget the old pitch in Davitt Park was 154m long, which was 9m longer than the maximum and caught a lot of teams out over the years. Kicking the ball into the full forward line from midfield didn't always get there, of course the scary people of Lurgan was a big factor too and their wives giving out at the wire...is it any wonder teams couldn't get outta there quick enough.
Quote from: illdecide on June 03, 2017, 12:40:41 AM
Don't forget the old pitch in Davitt Park was 154m long, which was 9m longer than the maximum and caught a lot of teams out over the years. Kicking the ball into the full forward line from midfield didn't always get there, of course the scary people of Lurgan was a big factor too and their wives giving out at the wire...is it any wonder teams couldn't get outta there quick enough.
What are the dimensions of the new pitch at Davitt Park?
I also remember a Mc Kenna Cup game with Donegal at Clann Eireann's pitch in Kilwilkie in early 80s
So who will won this clash of the once kingpins, now toilet brushes of Ulster? I reckon Down might just get this cider monkey off their backs!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 03, 2017, 10:35:50 AM
So who will won this clash of the once kingpins, now toilet brushes of Ulster? I reckon Down might just get this cider monkey off their backs!
Strange statement by someone from Antrim.
Looks like the Mourne men going with two sweepers and Doherty to pick up murnin for the high ball
It wont be pretty and it looks like Armagh will have to go down the wings to make in roads.
The straight shoot out we thought would happen must have been just wishful thinking
Naka it was never going to be a shoot out or an open game
Since Clare beat us in the league we have basically went with everyone back with the exception of Barry O Hagan.I expect exactly the same tomorrow with Jerome and Barry our 2 lone forwards and the rest dropping back in around defence and midfield
Armagh will not get the scores as easy as they did in division 3 that's why I believe Down by 3
Armagh wil not have faced this system this year where as we are well used to playing against good attacks.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 03, 2017, 02:23:18 PM
Naka it was never going to be a shoot out or an open game
Since Clare beat us in the league we have basically went with everyone back with the exception of Barry O Hagan.I expect exactly the same tomorrow with Jerome and Barry our 2 lone forwards and the rest dropping back in around defence and midfield
Armagh will not get the scores as easy as they did in division 3 that's why I believe Down by 3
Armagh wil not have faced this system this year where as we are well used to playing against good attacks.
Joe Brolly on the radio there, who said he was looking forward to it owing to Armagh's exciting style of play. He said that Armagh had a div 1 forward line, but a Div 3 defence.
Fair enough smurfy
Really can't see you scoring enough to win this
If you had been more attack minded could have seen you getting a few goals.
But hopefully it's a decent game for both of us
Predictions? Down by 2 , Arma discipline to cost them
Quote from: Dire Ear on June 03, 2017, 03:22:40 PM
Predictions? Down by 2 , Arma discipline to cost them
Armagh by 4/5😉
Quote from: hardstation on June 03, 2017, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2017, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 03, 2017, 10:35:50 AM
So who will won this clash of the once kingpins, now toilet brushes of Ulster? I reckon Down might just get this cider monkey off their backs!
Strange statement by someone from Antrim.
I've no idea what link he has to St Galls GAC in county Antrim but going by his posts, I'm pretty sure he is a Tyrone man.
Yes lucky enough to be born into the majestic Red Hand county. St Galls clubman for 15 years.
Don't know about this.Armagh won't score as freely as they did against sub standard third division teams,and their inability to close out important games is a worry.Down also have the Kilcoo factor.A hesitant vote for Armagh.
Only 2 Kilcoo men starting so that's not really an issue, Down will be set up very defensively and that's the worry, will we get enough scores to win it's doubtful but anyway heart rules the head Down by the minimum!
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 03, 2017, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: hardstation on June 03, 2017, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2017, 11:10:06 AM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 03, 2017, 10:35:50 AM
So who will won this clash of the once kingpins, now toilet brushes of Ulster? I reckon Down might just get this cider monkey off their backs!
Strange statement by someone from Antrim.
I've no idea what link he has to St Galls GAC in county Antrim but going by his posts, I'm pretty sure he is a Tyrone man.
Yes lucky enough to be born into the majestic Red Hand county. St Galls clubman for 15 years.
So. you're really an Antrim man as you have spent longer in Antrim with club membership than you were in a club in Tyrone.
Expect to see the other kilcoo player to start in place of boh
Also Turley to start in place of Murphy
Why can't we just name the correct team.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 03, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
Expect to see the other kilcoo player to start in place of boh
Also Turley to start in place of Murphy
Why can't we just name the correct team.
It's clever psychology. Opponents always take team sheets as literal truth and build their tactical plans around it.
Until recently we were the same. In fact we publish our team 2 or 3 weeks in arrears. We just publish the team that started the previous game, make changes pre throw in and then the team that actually starts is the named for the subsequent game. Gives us a real edge.
Rant over.
Obviously want my own county to win. I'm not a Down hater but if they go super defensive I hope we stuff them. The games to date have been dire. We don't need another game strangled to death
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 03, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
Expect to see the other kilcoo player to start in place of boh
Also Turley to start in place of Murphy
Why can't we just name the correct team.
Is B'OH an injury doubt?
Dublin never name a bogus team unless late injuries
BOH fit
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 03, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
Expect to see the other kilcoo player to start in place of boh
Also Turley to start in place of Murphy
Why can't we just name the correct team.
I hope Ryan Johnston does start but not at Barry O'Hagan's expense, he's a scorer something we don't have an abundance of, no one knows for sure what 15 will start , or a bigger problem where to park tomorrow?
Quote from: Targetman on June 03, 2017, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 03, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
Expect to see the other kilcoo player to start in place of boh
Also Turley to start in place of Murphy
Why can't we just name the correct team.
I hope Ryan Johnston does start but not at Barry O'Hagan's expense, he's a scorer something we don't have an abundance of, no one knows for sure what 15 will start , or a bigger problem where to park tomorrow?
The good thing about Newry is that you can park your car in Armagh and not pollute it too much by taking it into Down.
The weather shouldn't amount to more than a few showers for this challenge between the visiting Lions and the local Barbarians.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2017, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 03, 2017, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 03, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
Expect to see the other kilcoo player to start in place of boh
Also Turley to start in place of Murphy
Why can't we just name the correct team.
I hope Ryan Johnston does start but not at Barry O'Hagan's expense, he's a scorer something we don't have an abundance of, no one knows for sure what 15 will start , or a bigger problem where to park tomorrow?
The good thing about Newry is that you can park your car in Armagh and not pollute it too much by taking it into Down.
The weather shouldn't amount to more than a few showers for this challenge between the visiting Lions and the local Barbarians.
If Quinlivan's goal is anything to go by, the Lions could teach you some lessons in tackling a man through on goal in the last minute.
[/quote]
If Quinlivan's goal is anything to go by, the Lions could teach you some lessons in tackling a man through on goal in the last minute.
[/quote]
Lesson learned ;)
Quote from: CornerBackNo2 on June 03, 2017, 12:48:23 AM
Quote from: illdecide on June 03, 2017, 12:40:41 AM
Don't forget the old pitch in Davitt Park was 154m long, which was 9m longer than the maximum and caught a lot of teams out over the years. Kicking the ball into the full forward line from midfield didn't always get there, of course the scary people of Lurgan was a big factor too and their wives giving out at the wire...is it any wonder teams couldn't get outta there quick enough.
What are the dimensions of the new pitch at Davitt Park?
145m x 82.5m
Quote from: armaghniac on June 03, 2017, 10:34:18 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 03, 2017, 10:19:42 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 03, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
Expect to see the other kilcoo player to start in place of boh
Also Turley to start in place of Murphy
Why can't we just name the correct team.
I hope Ryan Johnston does start but not at Barry O'Hagan's expense, he's a scorer something we don't have an abundance of, no one knows for sure what 15 will start , or a bigger problem where to park tomorrow?
The good thing about Newry is that you can park your car in Armagh and not pollute it too much by taking it into Down.
The weather shouldn't amount to more than a few showers for this challenge between the visiting Lions and the local Barbarians.
You should go the whole hog, cross the canal in a boat, jump the fence on the Armagh side of the pitch, so you don't have to enter county Down at all. Don't do it half-arsed, man.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 03, 2017, 11:38:37 PM
You should go the whole hog, cross the canal in a boat, jump the fence on the Armagh side of the pitch, so you don't have to enter county Down at all. Don't do it half-arsed, man.
Not a bad idea. I will exit on the Down side after the game though, in celebration.
Down should be stronger psychologically . It's not hard.
From RTE:
Down are seeking their first championship win over Armagh since 1992. They have lost five times since then.
Down are seeking their first win in the Ulster championship since beating Derry in the quarter-final in 2013. Their last win in the championship was in 2014 when they beat Leitrim in the All-Ireland qualifiers.
Armagh's last win was in the Ulster championship in 2014 when they beat Cavan in the quarter-final.
Good start for Down
4 points is a huge lead in Ulster
Armagh can't tackle
Down can't defend
Down the better side in the opening 25 mins but due to their ropey defence they find themselves trailing by 2 points.
Conor Lane can't referee!
Quote from: square_ball on June 04, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 04, 2017, 02:26:35 PM
Conor Lane can't referee!
Awful
No he's doing fine. Armagh tackling is brutal. Enjoyable game, will ye quit blaming the ref
Very entertaining game. Fair play to both sides.
Down get 3 on the trot
Refreshing to see and great on the eye but can't help but feel Donegal, monaghan or tyrone would destroy either side.
A surprisingly entertaining game so far
Good game. Some poor misses for Armagh which they may come to regret.
Clarke looks a class act.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 02, 2017, 01:26:37 PM
On the game. Both sides have good scoring forwards and less than great defences and it should be a high scoring game with plenty of goals.
Good call.
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on June 04, 2017, 02:39:07 PM
A surprisingly entertaining game so far
No short kick outs.
Quote from: An Watcher on June 04, 2017, 02:36:20 PM
Refreshing to see and great on the eye but can't help but feel Donegal, monaghan or tyrone would destroy either side.
Both sides would set up differently against the big guns.
Quote from: Itchy on June 04, 2017, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: square_ball on June 04, 2017, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: Harold Disgracey on June 04, 2017, 02:26:35 PM
Conor Lane can't referee!
Awful
No he's doing fine. Armagh tackling is brutal. Enjoyable game, will ye quit blaming the ref
Nah I think he's been poor. Good game in spite of him in my opinion.
Armagh haven't started this 2nd half. Down getting frees much much easier
Down led 4-0 and now lead 4-0 in the second half. Armagh goal against the run of play coming?
Horrible looking injury.
Goal or bust for Armagh, atrocious second half from them!
Armagh haven't converted their chances. Even if they got a goal Down would probably win.
1 point in the second half. #Jaysus
Ref is shockingly poor. Armagh even more so.
Clarke is the only player on the field able to kick the ball with both feet
Standard of play has dropped a lot
Armagh going for goals for last 15 mins of game ... WTF!
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 03:28:56 PM
Armagh haven't converted their chances. Even if they got a goal Down would probably win.
1 point in the second half. #Jaysus
And still with 4 mins to play they only find themselves one score behind.
I've never seen anything like this. There's been easy points for the taking for the last ten minutes. Armagh could easily be level. They must think they're six or seven points down by constantly trying to work a goal.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 04, 2017, 03:34:39 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 03:28:56 PM
Armagh haven't converted their chances. Even if they got a goal Down would probably win.
1 point in the second half. #Jaysus
And still with 4 mins to play they only find themselves one score behind.
Except it's Ulster and one score is worth far more than elsewhere
Armagh take the point 4 minutes into injury time after spending the past 10 minutes going for goals.
WTF are Armagh at??
Take the quick free and try to work the goal instead of the ridiculous handbags.
The 80 minute match.
Quote from: J70 on June 04, 2017, 03:41:12 PM
WTF are Armagh at??
Take the quick free and try to work the goal instead of the ridiculous handbags.
The Down 24 started it going after Clarke.
Christ Martin McHugh is some dose.
You can't win. Armagh don't drag someone down v Tipp and they're "naive", McKernan does it in the championship and he's "ruining the game".
Best team won. 15 scores 9 and Armagh got their 1st half goals against the run of play.
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 04, 2017, 03:43:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 04, 2017, 03:41:12 PM
WTF are Armagh at??
Take the quick free and try to work the goal instead of the ridiculous handbags.
The Down 24 started it going after Clarke.
So why escalate it by all running in? Down are the only ones to gain.
What in God's name was Clarke at taking the point at the end?
It seems like a long time ago that Geezer brought a team to an all Ireland semi final
No tears will be shed here.
Quote from: J70 on June 04, 2017, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 04, 2017, 03:43:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 04, 2017, 03:41:12 PM
WTF are Armagh at??
Take the quick free and try to work the goal instead of the ridiculous handbags.
The Down 24 started it going after Clarke.
So why escalate it by all running in? Down are the only ones to gain.
Armagh 21 was the stupid guilty party...
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
It seems like a long time ago that Geezer brought a team to an all Ireland semi final
That was the handiest run to a semi I can remember in recent years
Quote from: Boycey on June 04, 2017, 03:51:57 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 04, 2017, 03:45:50 PM
Quote from: Walter Cronc on June 04, 2017, 03:43:18 PM
Quote from: J70 on June 04, 2017, 03:41:12 PM
WTF are Armagh at??
Take the quick free and try to work the goal instead of the ridiculous handbags.
The Down 24 started it going after Clarke.
So why escalate it by all running in? Down are the only ones to gain.
Armagh 21 was the stupid guilty party...
Yes, I was surprised he wasn't booked.
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
It seems like a long time ago that Geezer brought a team to an all Ireland semi final
Geezer is living off of very past glories. Might be ok to run a badly stuck junior b team but no tactical sense
Armagh certainly are a free scoring side. I didn't think we would survive that one point onslaught in the first 35 minutes of the second half
No doubt McGeeney is doing nothing for Armagh but you have to wonder is there any leaders on the pitch either. What they were at going for goals for 15 mins then started trying for points when they need a goal. Down look very dodgy under high ball and I couldn't see them beating either cavan or Monaghan in the semi.
The £80k a year looks to be money well spent!!!!!!
Quote from: Targetman on May 31, 2017, 08:59:04 PM
Let's hope Eamon Burns decides to commit to a more attacking game plan on Sunday, Armagh's defence has conceded quite a few goals but we won't trouble them by playing one man in the full forward line, we need O'hagan and Jerome Johnston up there and support coming from half forwards and/or midfielders, 15 points should win this game!! Get in there!!
Loads for McGeeney to work on, but he rises to challenges in his managerial career.
Quote from: Syferus on June 04, 2017, 03:45:56 PM
What in God's name was Clarke at taking the point at the end?
Ref obviously told him there was time for anotherbattack not really that difficult to work out.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 04, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Armagh certainly are a free scoring side. I didn't think we would survive that one point onslaught in the first 35 minutes of the second half
We should be a free scoring side, but when you have players not willing to take shots 25 yards out straight in front of goal you are going to lose.
Fair play to Down, they attacked with purpose and pace, we were slow of foot and stupid in the tackle, one score from play in the second half is atrocious, I am sick to my hearts core, the lowest ebb I have ever been at as an Armagh fan but I know I want McGeeney out ta fcuk, he is absolutely useless when it comes to game planning, we are robots not footballers and I am mortified for the dirge we threw up the day.
Good luck to Down against Monaghan or Cavan, they will need it but they fully deserved the win today against a side that play without a viable game plan, Armagh need to lose the qualifier game as quickly as possible, get rid of McGeeney and get a manager in that can put together a squad of footballers that can win games with grit, determination, skill and focus.
Down deserved to win this game, we are simply awful and we are at rock bottom, Kieran, finish the year out and go away, you have set us back five years with your so called 5 year plan, if your five year plan was to destroy us as a footballing county job done!
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 04, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Armagh certainly are a free scoring side. I didn't think we would survive that one point onslaught in the first 35 minutes of the second half
You lot are still useless bastards that will get thumped next time out, I will revel in that when Monaghan are slapping ye all over the place!
You still only beat the worst Armagh side in history by a couple of points, not exactly world beaters yourselves, we might beaat Carlow and or Antrim, the rest are better than us so stick your arrogance up your hole paul, plenty of dark days ahead for both squads.
John McEntee anyone??? :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Quote from: Avondhu star on June 04, 2017, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
It seems like a long time ago that Geezer brought a team to an all Ireland semi final
Geezer is living off of very past glories. Might be ok to run a badly stuck junior b team but no tactical sense
None whatsoever
That Kildare team could have won an all Ireland
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 04, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Armagh certainly are a free scoring side. I didn't think we would survive that one point onslaught in the first 35 minutes of the second half
You lot are still useless b**tards that will get thumped next time out, I will revel in that when Monaghan are slapping ye all over the place!
You still only beat the worst Armagh side in history by a couple of points, not exactly world beaters yourselves, we might beaat Carlow and or Antrim, the rest are better than us so stick your arrogance up your hole paul, plenty of dark days ahead for both squads.
John McEntee anyone??? :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Yeowwwww 🔴⚫️🔴⚫️
The worst Armagh performance in the Ulster Championship since Derry in 1995 and even that was against recent All Ireland Champions.Armagh had not one single player today and the standard from both teams was atrocious.The Down cheer at the end was muted,one of relief more than anything else and they will not get within 10 points of Monaghan.
Meanwhile Armagh must be the worst team in Ulster,at least Antrim,Fermanagh and Derry were competitive for one half each against much superior opposition.
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 04, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Armagh certainly are a free scoring side. I didn't think we would survive that one point onslaught in the first 35 minutes of the second half
You lot are still useless b**tards that will get thumped next time out, I will revel in that when Monaghan are slapping ye all over the place!
You still only beat the worst Armagh side in history by a couple of points, not exactly world beaters yourselves, we might beaat Carlow and or Antrim, the rest are better than us so stick your arrogance up your hole paul, plenty of dark days ahead for both squads.
John McEntee anyone??? :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Stay classy Stew, maybe we'll see you in Division 2 in 2019.
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 05:02:34 PM
Quote from: Avondhu star on June 04, 2017, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 03:46:42 PM
It seems like a long time ago that Geezer brought a team to an all Ireland semi final
Geezer is living off of very past glories. Might be ok to run a badly stuck junior b team but no tactical sense
None whatsoever
That Kildare team could have won an all Ireland
A team with no forwards will never win an all Ireland. If McGeeney won Sam for that Kildare team he would've deserved the credit he gets today for doing nothing.
You really have to worry about Armagh's sideline.
Andrew Murnin won every ball into him today (As he always does), and our goals in the first half came from long balls that we won.
So what do we do in the second half? We totally refuse to play the ball in long or early. Instead we recycle possession around inside the 50 until Down had enough defenders back to win the ball.
The first long ball we played in the second half was in added on time after Murnin had been subbed off.
I really wonder how the sidelines see the tactics that they presumably sent the team out with in the second half.
Armagh got what they deserved out of the game but playing so poorly Armagh could have won if the other numerous goal chances were taken. Well done to Down a good day all round for them with the minors also holding on for the win.
Gig is up for McGeeney Armagh haven't improved in the league or championship under him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Clarke goes again. He gets no protection from refs. The treatment of Murnin was bad also. Ref inconsistent at best.
That said, you don't win games by not taking your points and we had options to do so on more than a few occasions.
Good luck to Down. Better side today but I think you guys will get it tougher against whoever you play next. As for us, I hope we get London away
Quote from: Captain Obvious on June 04, 2017, 05:11:04 PM
Armagh got what they deserved out of the game but playing so poorly Armagh could have won if the other numerous goal chances were taken. Well done to Down a good day all round for them with the minors also holding on for the win.
Gig is up for McGeeney Armagh haven't improved in the league or championship under him.
Last year appeared to the nadir but this year had the Quinlivan goal and now this match
When you don't have one player playing up to scratch it is bad.I have never seen worse performances from Vernon,Campbell and Grugan,all of whom were substituted.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 04, 2017, 05:18:17 PM
When you don't have one player playing up to scratch it is bad.I have never seen worse performances from Vernon,Campbell and Grugan,all of whom were substituted.
I thought Campbell was on the whole game? Agree he was awful
Quote from: T Fearon on June 04, 2017, 05:05:13 PM
The worst Armagh performance in the Ulster Championship since Derry in 1995 and even that was against recent All Ireland Champions.Armagh had not one single player today and the standard from both teams was atrocious.The Down cheer at the end was muted,one of relief more than anything else and they will not get within 10 points of Monaghan.
Meanwhile Armagh must be the worst team in Ulster,at least Antrim,Fermanagh and Derry were competitive for one half each against much superior opposition.
Donegal 2015 was worse. At least they played for 10 mins today.
Campbell and Murnin both substituted in injury time as the manager pinned his hopes on 34 year old Ciaran Mc Keever snaffling a goal😱. I will not be undertaking any long journey at any substantial expense to attend the qualifier.
How Campbell wasn't taken off earlier is a mystery. Was anonymous and then I thought he was lazy at best or yellow at worst when going for a ball in 2nd half.
Clarke didn't hide and did try but his marker was v good.
That young Murnin lad looked the part when the ball went in to him. Has he played much as haven't heard much about him before?
Monaghan will beat that Down team out the gate. 7th & 8th best teams in Ulster playing today and it showed in the game
Quote from: Aaron Boone on June 04, 2017, 04:25:29 PM
Loads for McGeeney to work on, but he rises to challenges in his managerial career.
Manageriql career??? FFS what are you talking about? Any provincial or national titles?
Well able to collect the cheque.
Armagh need someone like Wes Hoolahan. Or Ger Houlihan.
Why all the talk of Armagh miss d chances? I thought Down won with a bit to spare. Kept Armagh at arms length in second half and it was only when seeing Armagh playing against the wind that you realised how good a first half it had been for Down. Delighted for Eamon BUrns. Cavan could take Monaghan and that would set up an even xciting semi final.
The mark of a good manager is to have his team ready for the big games,with the players prepared and delivering,which no one did today.The failure to get out of the third division was inexcusable.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 04, 2017, 06:17:01 PM
The mark of a good manager is to have his team ready for the big games,with the players prepared and delivering,which no one did today.The failure to get out of the third division was inexcusable.
Anyone who follows the Armagh club scene can list 30 players ( many on todays panel) that are the match for their opponents in Div 2 and many Div 1 teams. Resouces and facilities is not the problem.
Quote from: The Trap on June 04, 2017, 06:11:07 PM
Why all the talk of Armagh miss d chances? I thought Down won with a bit to spare. Kept Armagh at arms length in second half and it was only when seeing Armagh playing against the wind that you realised how good a first half it had been for Down. Delighted for Eamon BUrns. Cavan could take Monaghan and that would set up an even xciting semi final.
Winning by two points isn't by a bit to spare. If Cavan are good enough to beat Monaghan they will also be too good for Down. Best hope for Down is that Monaghan win by a bit to spare against Cavan and then go into the semi final complacent.
What happened to the best forward line in Gaelic Football.? (As we were told by Oisin and Stevie) during the week. They were unstoppable we were told, all three would get on any team in Ireland, Jamie the great was back! If Tyrone had them they would win the All Ireland we were told by Stevie!
They might look good playing in Div 3 - but my god talk about hype about nothing!
Who were on the line for Armagh today?
Quote from: sam03/05 on June 04, 2017, 06:28:11 PM
What happened to the best forward line in Gaelic Football.? (As we were told by Oisin and Stevie) during the week. They were unstoppable we were told, all three would get on any team in Ireland, Jamie the great was back! If Tyrone had them they would win the All Ireland we were told by Stevie!
They might look good playing in Div 3 - but my god talk about hype about nothing!
Did you watch the game
Worst Armagh performance in at least 20 years, shocking choice of shooting, going for goals with 15 minutes to go, when an easy tap over was available to them. If they'd taken their points, they'd have been at least level going into injury time. But they weren't worth the win or anywhere near to it. Murnin showed up well, took his goal, almost had a second, but is it just me or does he have a tendancy to fumble alot of ball. Great ball winner no doubt, but sometimes drops it needlessly. Saying that, he was the best Armagh had to offer today by far.
As for Down, deserved winners but they'll need a massive improvement to bother Monaghan or Cavan, but I wish them all the best. My Dad was a proud Down man, and this was the first time since his passing that Down have played Armagh. I found today's game poignant on a personal front, so I tip my hat to him this evening, and wish the Down men all the very best in the rest of the campaign.
As for Armagh, I can't see how Kieran can hold on following Armagh's qualifier exit in most likely a game or two's time. It's an awful pitty as Armagh have some great players, but a lack of game planning on the sideline is more than apparent.
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 04, 2017, 05:06:44 PM
Quote from: stew on June 04, 2017, 05:01:07 PM
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 04, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Armagh certainly are a free scoring side. I didn't think we would survive that one point onslaught in the first 35 minutes of the second half
You lot are still useless b**tards that will get thumped next time out, I will revel in that when Monaghan are slapping ye all over the place!
You still only beat the worst Armagh side in history by a couple of points, not exactly world beaters yourselves, we might beaat Carlow and or Antrim, the rest are better than us so stick your arrogance up your hole paul, plenty of dark days ahead for both squads.
John McEntee anyone??? :) :) :) :) :) ;)
Stay classy Stew, maybe we'll see you in Division 2 in 2019.
If the current manager is in place we will be in Division 4 in 2019, the players are not playing for him and are a disgrace to the jersey.
Extremely poor
Manager has to take responsibility for this one
2 points from play in the second half
Just just awful
He should do the sensible thing after today
Thought the ref very poor today, while he let play go on occasions there was also times he blew for some very soft frees. Down seemed to take control after ht by closing things up a little after the break. Armagh forwards didn't seem to have the same space.
After a good first half i thought clarke was very disappointing second. Non existent along with Campbell. Big ONeill lad seems a tidy player but seemed a little of the pace from early on.
Barry O Hagan impressed me for Down along with his brother Darren who always seems to have a good game
I never bought the potent forward line hype.We scored bucketloads in two freak games against mighty Louth and Offaly.FFS Ciaran Mc Keever was scoring goals for fun in the league.Also did I detect a little complacency on Armagh's part,did they actually believe the hype?
As for Down I'm afraid I don't see much prospects for them either though they are better than Armagh.
Down could and should have won by double figures. Armagh abysmal. The so-called best forward line in Ulster scores 1 point in 40 second-half mins? Armagh still haven't won an Ulster championship match under McGeeney is that right?
Who was the Armagh forward who looked as if he'd been training on cheeseburgers?
Thought we were clearly the better team today and should have won more comfortably. So much for this great armagh attack. 2 points in the 2nd half!!! Was great to see so many armagh fans walking back into newry with their tale between their legs after all their bleating all week. With the minors winning as well it was a good day for down. Going to go and have a drink now, anyone join me for a wee 'double'.
Worst 2nd half performance I've ever seen from Armagh. The 1st wasn't great but at least we weren't afraid to shoot or kick it in. Can only assume there was a change in tactics at the break which were useless.
Having said that was the worst 2nd half ever, how did Down not win by more?
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 04, 2017, 06:59:59 PM
Down could and should have won by double figures. Armagh abysmal. The so-called best forward line in Ulster scores 1 point in 40 second-half mins? Armagh still haven't won an Ulster championship match under McGeeney is that right?
Who was the Armagh forward who looked as if he'd been training on cheeseburgers?
Really? Armagh could and probably should ah e been 4/5 up at half time
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2017, 07:41:26 PM
I hadn't really followed the build up to this game that closely so I hadn't heard the hype about Armagh's forward line. I was bemused before the game when Brolly declared that Stefan Campbell is as good a forward as there is in the country. I thought it had just fallen out of Brolly's gub without him thinking about it. I didn't realise that there was a lot of hype about these boys.
When your forward line aren't good enough to get you out of Div 3 or win a championship game in this last 3 years, they can't be that good.
To be fair it was more out defence keeping us there rather than the forward line failing
Great day from a Down perspective it's been a while since we had 2 wins in the championship and even sweeter when its Armagh, i thought Armagh were clueless but we'll enjoy tonight and look forward to Saturday 24th , more than likely Monaghan, a big improvement required but cheers Down!!
McGeeney has been naive tactically for most of his managerial career. I listened to the first half on Rte radio 1 and they were saying Armagh we playing man to man. 4-0 down and no sign of a change.
It's one thing Armagh forwards putting up big scores in Div 3 but even Carlow last night had 14 men behind the ball.
Did yis hear Brolly giving out again about the dragging players down and how the black card is totally useless.
Tbf the black card is useless it really is
MC geeney though has to go, clueless.
Who was on the line today instead of McGeeney?
John Toal
I must say, well done to the Mayobridge band.
It takes a lot of hard work and fair play to the people behind it all.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 04, 2017, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 04, 2017, 06:59:59 PM
Down could and should have won by double figures. Armagh abysmal. The so-called best forward line in Ulster scores 1 point in 40 second-half mins? Armagh still haven't won an Ulster championship match under McGeeney is that right?
Who was the Armagh forward who looked as if he'd been training on cheeseburgers?
Really? Armagh could and probably should ah e been 4/5 up at half time
Should've been ahead by 4/5 despite being out-played for most of the half? Or should've been by lumping more hail-marys into the box? Down handed Armagh their arses on a plate for 70 of the 80 mins played. 2 goals put a respectable shine on a rout.
Quote from: naka on June 04, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
Tbf the black card is useless it really is
MC geeney though has to go, clueless.
He should have gone last year
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 04, 2017, 08:19:30 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 04, 2017, 07:50:37 PM
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 04, 2017, 06:59:59 PM
Down could and should have won by double figures. Armagh abysmal. The so-called best forward line in Ulster scores 1 point in 40 second-half mins? Armagh still haven't won an Ulster championship match under McGeeney is that right?
Who was the Armagh forward who looked as if he'd been training on cheeseburgers?
Really? Armagh could and probably should ah e been 4/5 up at half time
Should've been ahead by 4/5 despite being out-played for most of the half? Or should've been by lumping more hail-marys into the box? Down handed Armagh their arses on a plate for 70 of the 80 mins played. 2 goals put a respectable shine on a rout.
I don't disagree Down were the better team but Armagh should have been 4/5 points up at half time. Vernon had a bad miss. Grisham had a bad enough miss and then Murnin's which hit the post.
As I've already said, I wish down well in the next round but they will need improvements if they want to have a chance
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 04, 2017, 04:02:12 PM
Armagh certainly are a free scoring side. I didn't think we would survive that one point onslaught in the first 35 minutes of the second half
I enjoyed making the comment but it was a low blow and I apologise for it. Match could have gone either way.
I wonder if there is even one Armagh supporter who would still think that Geezer is the right man to be managing Armagh.
Just because he was an inspirational leader on the pitch shouldn't give him free rein to manage the team for as long as he wishes.
Only a miracle in the qualifiers saves McGeeney.
On the field the players looked clueless. No game intelligence. No tactical variation or ability to react to changing circumstances. Going for goals was mental. Made worse by Soupy taking an age to then take a point from the ground. It was clear the players had lost the grip of the situation. What was the line doing? Who are the leaders in the team? Asleep at the wheel today.
Down has the wit to drop 11 men back as soon as they got a second half lead. We played into it. No early ball even though Murnin had been winning them. 1 score from play in the second half from 20 attacking possessions. Is the early ball really a primitive tactic that offers less chance of a score? This endless recycling eats up the clock when you are trying to get back in the game.
We look slow. What were we training for?
What tackle drills are doing?
We had no fight. Running in for handbags isn't fight.
All in all a disgrace
Well done Down, some really classy players in that team and although they won't be going much further in Ulster they pulled in together for a much deserved home victory.
Onto the match,
Liked how the ref let a lot of things go but got some decisions wrong and lost the run of it at the end. Though Down had several soft frees in the first half and the majority of their scores came as a result.
Armagh were too slow to make changes, some players were not at the races at all. Campbell and Grugan are great players but you could tell they were not going to produce the goods. It would be hard to take off those players who can create something out of nothing but they were not at it at all. Grugan had a viable shot off his unfavourable right foot and neglected to take it which summed up the second half for Armagh.
Mooneys direct running was great to watch and player him off half back was a good decision, think he is a natural forward.
The Armagh hype brigade were at it again and put the team up for an almighty fall today. Although the lost with the stroke of a ball, 3 second half scores is as poor a return as you can get from any inter county team!
I don't think there is much fear of saying the pick of those two teams wouldn't win an Ulster Championship....
[sure if I'm wrong, I'll be delighted.]
Reading through the comments I am getting worried as I find myself agreeing with Itchy - Armagh appear to have no leaders, or at best very few. This made the substitution to Vernon a mistake in my opinion. He struggled early on - I understand he missed quite a bit of training with injury - but he is a leader and will take responsibility.
The reason Armagh did not get out of division 3 has nothing to do with the forwards. Despite today I believe they are very good. Brolly is almost right about Campbell. He is a very very good player but has been dreadfully out of form the last while.
As for Down. They did their job today but they met Armagh on a day they were useless and still only won by 2. I wouldn't get too excited.
As for changing manager. Would any decent one want the job?
A poor down team struggled to beat an even worse Armagh team. I am perplexed by the views on here that Down won by a distance. Armagh missed enough to have won the game. It's a blessing that we are not facing Monaghan. Mickey Harte had to leave the match early as he was pissing himself laughing at both teams attempts to play football.
Yeah in my view vernon should not have been taken off. He was starting to go at down and could have troubled them a bit. He could have been taken off later if he was tiring.
As a neutral i just couldn't believe how bad armagh were. They have to be better than that. They were second best but could have won that game had a few of their players stood up and went for points.
Down aren't brilliant these days but can be pleased with that. A few players really stood up and they can be proud of that. They are not world beaters and will struggle next day but they stood up when jt counted.
I missed the game today as i'd signed up for an event and didn't realise at the time it was on the same day as the match and TBH i'm glad i did now, I haven't missed many games over the years TBH and i will go to the qualifer game.
I'm kinda glad for E Burns to some degree as he has taken some flak which was unfair as he was thrown in at the deep end and inherited a poor enough team and tried to turn them around (i'm sure you Down men would agree with that) and before you jump down my throat if you're poor then what does that make us (Armagh)?
I'll always give a manager plenty of time to prove himself even when others are calling for his head but i do believe Kieran has had that time and more and after the qualifers is over should do the decent thing and resign, Armagh should really be doing better with the players they have and for me are a middle of Div 2 team if they had the right man on board. Can't comment on todays game as i missed it but judging by everyone's opinion on S Campbell poor display i think he's a good player alright but there were rumours all week that he was injured and wasn't playing i dunno if that was just bullsh1t or had something in it considering he had a poor game (your opinion) in saying all that he hasn't been at his best this year from the games i have seen.
Christmas, birthday and the day Armagh are bate. In that order.
Kildare recovered from McGeeney. Armagh will too
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2017, 09:22:40 PM
Reading through the comments I am getting worried as I find myself agreeing with Itchy - Armagh appear to have no leaders, or at best very few. This made the substitution to Vernon a mistake in my opinion. He struggled early on - I understand he missed quite a bit of training with injury - but he is a leader and will take responsibility.
The reason Armagh did not get out of division 3 has nothing to do with the forwards. Despite today I believe they are very good. Brolly is almost right about Campbell. He is a very very good player but has been dreadfully out of form the last while.
As for Down. They did their job today but they met Armagh on a day they were useless and still only won by 2. I wouldn't get too excited.
As for changing manager. Would any decent one want the job?
It was only a matter of time until you saw the light.
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Kildare recovered from McGeeney. Armagh will too
He hasn't gone away you know!! Nor will he if he's on the dough that's been mentioned!
Quote from: Targetman on June 04, 2017, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Kildare recovered from McGeeney. Armagh will too
He hasn't gone away you know!! Nor will he if he's on the dough that's been mentioned!
Guys
Mc geeney is not on anything near the money that is being quoted here.tbh some club managers are on more than he is .
Saying that though it time for a fresh start.
Think we may have a crossmaglen duo next year
Quote from: Throw ball on June 04, 2017, 09:22:40 PM
As for changing manager. Would any decent one want the job?
That can't be the basis he hangs on though? Surely?
If the manager has the heart as the player had it won't be
Quote from: naka on June 04, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
Quote from: Targetman on June 04, 2017, 10:00:06 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 04, 2017, 09:52:08 PM
Kildare recovered from McGeeney. Armagh will too
He hasn't gone away you know!! Nor will he if he's on the dough that's been mentioned!
Guys
Mc geeney is not on anything near the money that is being quoted here.tbh some club managers are on more than he is .
Saying that though it time for a fresh start.
Think we may have a crossmaglen duo next year
How much is he on?
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 03, 2017, 10:35:46 PM
If Quinlivan's goal is anything to go by, the Lions could teach you some lessons in tackling a man through on goal in the last minute.
Down seem to have learned this lesson, anyhow.
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2017, 09:48:13 PM
Christmas, birthday and the day Armagh are bate. In that order.
You better put in the wedding anniversary, or you'll be on the inflatable mattress in the garage.
Surely a man in charge of his own county wouldn't be taking a pile of dough? I mean if he is then that's your problem right there. A internal man should be getting fair coverage of expenses but no way should he be taking money out of the county. Maybe I'm being naive?
It's all about percentages lads...the extra run at training will give you the extra 1,2,3,25% depending on who's doing the running. ;)
Quote from: Itchy on June 04, 2017, 10:20:29 PM
Surely a man in charge of his own county wouldn't be taking a pile of dough? I mean if he is then that's your problem right there. A internal man should be getting fair coverage of expenses but no way should he be taking money out of the county. Maybe I'm being naive?
I think we all know the answer to that one.
Bit surreal today.Full house,but little passion from the stands.Far more in evidence in a couple of Saturday night league games between Armagh and Down in Newry six or seven years ago.Even the Down fans cheers at the end today were muted,and more akin to relief in having won a Championship game.
The 2002 squad's hands are all over the Minor and Senior team yet no progress is being made.
Looks like both sets of supporters have accepted the future is bleak.
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2017, 11:37:26 PM
Darragh O'Hanlon on beating Div 3 Armagh:
"Today shows we can mix with the best of them."
Uh-huh
I thought the comment "we're not that bad a team like" was more telling.
Quote from: hardstation on June 04, 2017, 11:37:26 PM
Darragh O'Hanlon on beating Div 3 Armagh:
"Today shows we can mix with the best of them."
Uh-huh
I was waiting for a "everybody was writing us off so they whur"
Quote from: armaghniac on June 04, 2017, 10:18:38 PM
Quote from: OgraAnDun on June 03, 2017, 10:35:46 PM
If Quinlivan's goal is anything to go by, the Lions could teach you some lessons in tackling a man through on goal in the last minute.
Down seem to have learned this lesson, anyhow.
Quote from: ONeill on June 04, 2017, 09:48:13 PM
Christmas, birthday and the day Armagh are bate. In that order.
You better put in the wedding anniversary, or you'll be on the inflatable mattress in the garage.
Dont mention inflatables to him, he will get ideas.
There was a lot a talk about Armagh being high scorers. I think today showed that there is a big difference between division three defence and a division two defence (even a bad one).
Some people have said Armagh should have been up by more at halftime because of the missed chances but Down missed chances too. So balance is needed for the 'if only' argument.
Also the statements that Armagh could have picked off points when they were going for late goals lacks validity. They only found that space because Down dropped back to defend the goal, knowing Armagh were going to decline point scoring chances from distance. If Armagh had been aiming for points Down would have stepped out to defend that area instead. You only get given space in areas where you don't want it. If you want to use space you quickly find the opposition decide to close it down pronto.
Having said that, there was very little between the teams and the match could have swung either way. If Armagh fans think their team is bad then that just proves that we aren't great either.
Any particular reason why the ex-Armagh lads like McConville were pumping up this Armagh side in the media so much during the week? All I read was how they were by far the best team in division 3 despite not actually getting promoted and how great their forwards are. Probably immaterial either way to the result but not exactly what you want to be reading on the build up to a big game either.
Quote from: GalwayBayBoy on June 05, 2017, 01:57:24 AM
Any particular reason why the ex-Armagh lads like McConville were pumping up this Armagh side in the media so much during the week? All I read was how they were by far the best team in division 3 despite not actually getting promoted and how great their forwards are. Probably immaterial either way to the result but not exactly what you want to be reading on the build up to a big game either.
I couldn't get that either! Bit like Brolly referencing Derry and Enda Muldoom and club all the time, even if it has been 10+ years since they were a player in the bigger picture.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 04, 2017, 09:27:46 PM
A poor down team struggled to beat an even worse Armagh team. I am perplexed by the views on here that Down won by a distance. Armagh missed enough to have won the game. It's a blessing that we are not facing Monaghan. Mickey Harte had to leave the match early as he was pissing himself laughing at both teams attempts to play football.
Neither team had the confidence to try for scores from 30 metres out even though there were a number of occasions that the opportunity arose and they had time and space.
No doubt we will hear about all the gym sessions they have had including the training on Christmas morning shite talk. 30 minutes each session on shooting practice would be better
I haven't seen much evidence of gym work either! There's a lack of physicality with this Armagh team, which is a bit surprising given the man in charge. Our forwards have shown for a few years now that they don't have the guile, shooting ability or physical power to deal with blanket defending. To what degree that's down to the players or manager i don't know. A bit of both i suppose. Regardless of tactics, preparation or anything else the manager can bring to the table, it would be refreshing to see one or two of the players show a bit of individual good play by popping the odd one over from 35 or 40 yards or putting in a decent tackle or two. Sometimes that's all that's needed to lift the players and supporters.
Kieran's had 3 years in charge now without a win in Ulster. I don't remember another Armagh manager in the past 40 years who stayed on a fourth year with that record (could be wrong). A great player and leader for Armagh but i think if he stays on this could be a death by a 1000 cuts.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 04, 2017, 11:22:27 PM
Bit surreal today.Full house,but little passion from the stands.Far more in evidence in a couple of Saturday night league games between Armagh and Down in Newry six or seven years ago.Even the Down fans cheers at the end today were muted,and more akin to relief in having won a Championship game.
The 2002 squad's hands are all over the Minor and Senior team yet no progress is being made.
Looks like both sets of supporters have accepted the future is bleak.
Who had the most fans?
QuoteThere was a lot a talk about Armagh being high scorers. I think today showed that there is a big difference between division three defence and a division two defence (even a bad one).
Armagh scored highly in a couple of freak games in Division 3. Against Antrim, when Antrim deployed the blanket defence, it was clear to all in attendance that this Armagh team just can't get through the blanket defence, and that was shown again yesterday. No doubt that Armagh have some good forwards, but in the modern game, good forwards are more easily kept quiet unfortunately.
The only thing that can save Kieran McGeeney now is a good run for Armagh in the Qualifiers, maybe a quarter final spot might save him, but that looks a long way off going by yesterday.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 05, 2017, 10:58:04 AM
QuoteThere was a lot a talk about Armagh being high scorers. I think today showed that there is a big difference between division three defence and a division two defence (even a bad one).
Armagh scored highly in a couple of freak games in Division 3. Against Antrim, when Antrim deployed the blanket defence, it was clear to all in attendance that this Armagh team just can't get through the blanket defence, and that was shown again yesterday. No doubt that Armagh have some good forwards, but in the modern game, good forwards are more easily kept quiet unfortunately.
The only thing that can save Kieran McGeeney now is a good run for Armagh in the Qualifiers, maybe a quarter final spot might save him, but that looks a long way off going by yesterday.
balladmaker
think to most of us Mc Geeney is a dead man walking, the term has run its course
no championship wins in 3 years
one relegation
haven`t beaten Laois in 5 attempts( they are now a division 4 side)
putting it simply the past 3 years have seen no upward graph nor seeds of optimism,
yesterday was awful watching us naively run into traffic.
I thought Down had a number of good long range scores, O'Hanlon a couple of times, Mooney, O'Hagan are ones that come to light. Armagh were more like the Down team of a few years ago of Coulter et all, looked wild dangerous in the first half and sniffed goals all the time but when the space was closed down in the second half they looked ordinary to poor.
Big plus from Down was the performance of our midfield and also what finally appeared to be a genuine kickout plan. Didnt work all the time but it is definitely progress.
Looked like a really bad injury to the Down midfielder.
Quote from: balladmaker on June 05, 2017, 10:58:04 AM
Armagh scored highly in a couple of freak games in Division 3. Against Antrim, when Antrim deployed the blanket defence, it was clear to all in attendance that this Armagh team just can't get through the blanket defence, and that was shown again yesterday. No doubt that Armagh have some good forwards, but in the modern game, good forwards are more easily kept quiet unfortunately.
The only thing that can save Kieran McGeeney now is a good run for Armagh in the Qualifiers, maybe a quarter final spot might save him, but that looks a long way off going by yesterday.
I'd agree with all of this. The Antrim game was an omen but it was an opportunity to learn from and we obviously didn't do it. Our forwards have been excellent when given space but struggle against blanket defences. There was no high ball into Murnin in the second half, no off the shoulder running at pace and no use of the wings which all should have been tried at different times. We constantly took the ball into the middle of the defence and we were constantly turned over. Jamie Clarke was the chief culprit. Jamie, in fairness, was trying to lead and make things happen but he doesn't have the physical strength to break a tackle.
We had a few players who performed well. Paul Hughes had a good game, James Morgan also. Stephen Sheridan and Aaron McKay had notable performances. Our main players, however, had poor games. Rory Grugan, Soupy and Jamie had poor games.
McGeeney's future in the post has to be reviewed at the end of the year. Whilst the type of football that we have attempted to play in the league has improved and he did give the younger players a chance yesterday, progress in league and championship is the real indicator and he is not delivering in either.
I don't know about gym work, but Campbell, a good player and Forker an average player are carrying to much weight for County players. Charlie Vernon was taken off too soon and the afore mention duo not soon enough. Why can't players just kick the ball straight between the sticks rather than try to shape it with outside or inside of the boot?
Annoying to lose a game that could have so easily been won, despite being inferior for much of the game and some pathetic decision making. Not too be too harsh on Hughes the keeper, he cost us at least one point but he's inexperienced and had nothing to hit out the field, think the 6 backs actually done rightly. Midlfield we were second best and the forward line had a day to forget. Downs half back line scored 6 points (4 from play) so you have to question what our half forwards were doing? Why proper ball wasn't played in to murnin? Why changes weren't made at mf? Why did we insist on slowly moving the ball out from defence up to their half before ateing the shite out of it before losing it through a turnover or overcarrying?
Was it my imagination or did the wind pick up considerably in the 2nd half?
Quote from: Maroon Manc on June 05, 2017, 01:08:59 PM
Was it my imagination or did the wind pick up considerably in the 2nd half?
The wind was strongest in the first part of the second half. It had died down a lot by the end of the game, which makes it all the worse that Armagh could not get a shot or two in near the end.
A great day for Down GAA
What a fantastic performance from both Down teams
Credit to the full management team and players
Can I ask the Armagh posters why do use rate Campbell so highly?
An average player who would struggle to get on the Down team.
As for Folker what does he actually do?
I've seen him play a few times now and yet he has been very poor
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2017, 02:01:00 PM
A great day for Down GAA
What a fantastic performance from both Down teams
Credit to the full management team and players
Can I ask the Armagh posters why do use rate Campbell so highly?
An average player who would struggle to get on the Down team.
As for Folker what does he actually do?
I've seen him play a few times now and yet he has been very poor
Campbell was anonymous. Think he top scored in the league ? so he can't be that bad. He might have been carrying a knock apparently wasn't fully fit in the lead up to the game, but certainly would have expected more from him. Forker scored a point, but was otherwise poor, not athletic enough imo
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2017, 02:01:00 PM
A great day for Down GAA
What a fantastic performance from both Down teams
Credit to the full management team and players
Can I ask the Armagh posters why do use rate Campbell so highly?
An average player who would struggle to get on the Down team.
As for Folker what does he actually do?
I've seen him play a few times now and yet he has been very poor
He did nothing, wasn't even included in the squad.
Campbell has been very inconsistent this year for Armagh, capable of getting good scores and winning good ball but not able to replicate this recently and didn't look at all in shape for yesterday.
Question marks surround Forker for me, real tenacious hard working player but discipline issues and a lack of confidence has seen him stutter this year. I would have had 2/3 players on a lot sooner for these two.
Not to dampen the Down followers mood but a reality check is severely needed here. Armagh only scored 3 times in the second half, including a 20 yard free, and Down only won by 2 points. When they come up against most likely Monaghan, they will have some genuine ball players to contain.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 05, 2017, 02:01:00 PM
A great day for Down GAA
What a fantastic performance from both Down teams
Credit to the full management team and players
Can I ask the Armagh posters why do use rate Campbell so highly?
An average player who would struggle to get on the Down team.
As for Folker what does he actually do?
I've seen him play a few times now and yet he has been very poor
Workmanlike and more efficient than Armagh, but fantastic? Come off it.
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
Must have been a takeaway he was ordering when he was pictured on the phone yesterday during the game. Funny slector on sideline was pictured on phone seconds later. Maybe he was hungry as well!
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
There is a lot of truth in this, the atmosphere was strangely muted. As noted earlier, previous League and even McKenna Cup games had more agitated crowds.
Quite apart from the second half, when Down parked the bus and defended in a disciplined way, this game was lost in the first 15 minutes when Armagh let Down off to a lead and failed to do anything.
Down are not great, but they have progressed none the less. Not much evidence of progress in Armagh.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2017, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
There is a lot of truth in this, the atmosphere was strangely muted. As noted earlier, previous League and even McKenna Cup games had more agitated crowds.
Quite apart from the second half, when Down parked the bus and defended in a disciplined way, this game was lost in the first 15 minutes when Armagh let Down off to a lead and failed to do anything.
Down are not great, but they have progressed none the less. Not much evidence of progress in Armagh.
That's a fair summation.
Really enjoyed the game yesterday.
Down have been at a low ebb the past few years but I think you have to give tremendous credit to Eamon Burns for the way he was stuck in there and brought some spirit and pride to that Down side. Tactically they looked very good yesterday, defended very well in the second half and they looked really fit and well drilled. Also great to see Caolan Mooney put in a great game.
Plenty of talent in that Armagh side and it is quite a youngish team. I really thought they were lacking in midfield, are Rafferty and Findon injured or just going very badly at the minute. Four or five years ago I would have thought Rafferty would have been one of the best midfielders in the country right now but he hasn't seemed to do anything in the past few years. Doesn't look good for McGeeney at the minute but I still think there's enough talent there for them to click and kick on but you'd imagine he'll need something this year.
Quote from: Il Bomber Destro on June 05, 2017, 05:30:57 PM
Really enjoyed the game yesterday.
Down have been at a low ebb the past few years but I think you have to give tremendous credit to Eamon Burns for the way he was stuck in there and brought some spirit and pride to that Down side. Tactically they looked very good yesterday, defended very well in the second half and they looked really fit and well drilled. Also great to see Caolan Mooney put in a great game.
Plenty of talent in that Armagh side and it is quite a youngish team. I really thought they were lacking in midfield, are Rafferty and Findon injured or just going very badly at the minute. Four or five years ago I would have thought Rafferty would have been one of the best midfielders in the country right now but he hasn't seemed to do anything in the past few years. Doesn't look good for McGeeney at the minute but I still think there's enough talent there for them to click and kick on but you'd imagine he'll need something this year.
I don't think Rafferty I'd got enough at the moment. He is carrying an injury. Could be wrong on that though
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
Couldn'd disagree with any of that. There was no atmosphere at the match and even the row at the end didn't ignite any passion on the terraces , more bemusement in my opinion. I think both sets of fans knew that the result would only judge who was the worst of 2 bad teams. McGeeney must have to look at himself and if he decides to stay he has some neck on him. I've heard the figure of £80,000 mentioned a few times and if it's true then it's shocking. Means that by the end of this year he'll have earned just short of a quarter of a million quid, for what. We have good players who have been ruined by him. I'm told he stood back in the Carrickdale on Sunday night and let the players tear into each other. If that's the case where does leadership come into it. He then, allegedly, at the end of the evening, snuck out a back door. If that's true it says a lot.
The Black Eyed peas are very concerned about the Armagh situation and have released a new song called where is the tactics
What's wrong with the world mama
People playing like Championship aint got no Armagh
I think the whole world's addicted to the Geezer drama
Only attracted to the things that'll bring the trauma
Over the bar , yeah, we tryin' to stop them scoring
But we still got ineptitude here livin'
Despite in Armagh the big Grimleys
The Mc Convilles , and the McEntees and the Cross
But if you only have love for you own ego
Then you only leave space to play indiscriminately
And indiscriminate only generates wides
And when you get wides then you're bound to get irate
Madness is what you demonstrate
And that's exactly how this angle works and operates
Man, you got to have tactics just to set it straight
Take control of your mind and meditate
Let your soul gravitate to the ball y'all
meaning
Down are playing Down are flying
Armagh kid fans hurt and you hear them crying
Can you practice what you preach
Or can you just practice ?
Father father father help us
Send some guidance from above
These people got me, got me questioning
Where is the tactics
Where is the ball
Where is the self respect
Where is the Laois the Laois , the Laois
It just ain't the same
All ways of change
New days are strange
Is the world insane
If armagh's preparation is so strong
Why are there balls into the forwards that don't belong
Backs dropping balls
Haven't won in Ulster for an age
With ongoing ineptitude as the youth get disillusioned
So ask yourself is the winnin really gone
So I can ask myself really what is going wrong
In this world that we live in
People keep on losing to Laois
Making wrong decisions only visions of the dividend
Not able to get outta division 3
Deny the poor forwards ball
A war's going on, but the reasons undercover
The truth is kept secret
It's swept under the rug
If you never know truth then you never know tactics
Where's the tactics y'all, c'mon, I don't know
Where's the tactics y'all, c'mon, I don't know
Where's the ball y'all
Down are playing , Down are flying
Fans are hurt and you hear them crying
Can you practice what you preach
Or would you just get some tactics
Father father father help us
Send some guidance from above
These people got me, got me questioning
Where is the tactics
Where is the ball
Where is the insight
Where is the Laois ?
I feel the weight of the world on my shoulder
As he's getting' older
Fearon gets colder
Only caring about competition winnin '
Selfishness got people following the wrong direction
Wrong information always shown by the media
Negative images is the TSG main criteria
Infecting the young minds faster than bacteria, dhera
Kids want to act like what they see the Dubs doin
Yo
Whatever happened to the values of Apple munching ?
Whatever happened to the sportmanship quality
Instead of spreading football
We spreading animosity
Lack of understanding
Leading us away from unity
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' under
That's the reason why sometimes I'm feelin' down
It's no wonder why sometimes I'm feelin' under
Got to keep my faith alive 'til a tactically capable manager is found
"Got to keep my faith alive 'til a tactically capable manager is found"
Well you ain't Bob Dylan.
Seafoid you clearly have a facination for Armagh and K McGeeney, move on it's getting boring ::)
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 05, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
Couldn'd disagree with any of that. There was no atmosphere at the match and even the row at the end didn't ignite any passion on the terraces , more bemusement in my opinion. I think both sets of fans knew that the result would only judge who was the worst of 2 bad teams. McGeeney must have to look at himself and if he decides to stay he has some neck on him. I've heard the figure of £80,000 mentioned a few times and if it's true then it's shocking. Means that by the end of this year he'll have earned just short of a quarter of a million quid, for what. We have good players who have been ruined by him. I'm told he stood back in the Carrickdale on Sunday night and let the players tear into each other. If that's the case where does leadership come into it. He then, allegedly, at the end of the evening, snuck out a back door. If that's true it says a lot.
You can criticise his championship record and that's fair game. However pulling out a story about him letting players get stuck into each other after the match, that's just looking an excuse to have a pop at geezer.
Seafoid, you've obviously got too much time on your hands.
Remember when Armagh supporters used to get really upset by losing All Ireland semi finals against Meath and Kerry after a replay?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 05, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
Couldn'd disagree with any of that. There was no atmosphere at the match and even the row at the end didn't ignite any passion on the terraces , more bemusement in my opinion. I think both sets of fans knew that the result would only judge who was the worst of 2 bad teams. McGeeney must have to look at himself and if he decides to stay he has some neck on him. I've heard the figure of £80,000 mentioned a few times and if it's true then it's shocking. Means that by the end of this year he'll have earned just short of a quarter of a million quid, for what. We have good players who have been ruined by him. I'm told he stood back in the Carrickdale on Sunday night and let the players tear into each other. If that's the case where does leadership come into it. He then, allegedly, at the end of the evening, snuck out a back door. If that's true it says a lot.
I wonder where was the present Armagh management when the two Brians were deemed inadequate?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 05, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
Couldn'd disagree with any of that. There was no atmosphere at the match and even the row at the end didn't ignite any passion on the terraces , more bemusement in my opinion. I think both sets of fans knew that the result would only judge who was the worst of 2 bad teams. McGeeney must have to look at himself and if he decides to stay he has some neck on him. I've heard the figure of £80,000 mentioned a few times and if it's true then it's shocking. Means that by the end of this year he'll have earned just short of a quarter of a million quid, for what. We have good players who have been ruined by him. I'm told he stood back in the Carrickdale on Sunday night and let the players tear into each other. If that's the case where does leadership come into it. He then, allegedly, at the end of the evening, snuck out a back door. If that's true it says a lot.
Well that tells me that there is plenty of passion in the team and hopefully it will be channeled positively in the qualifiers and everyone will be available.
The posters who have been suggesting that there was a flat atmosphere yesterday compared to previous contests may be letting distance lend enchantment to their views. Down's 1991 win was a dreadful game played in awful conditions at a venue which then had no cover at all, and soaked fans could not leave the ground quickly enough at the end. When Down won again the following year at the Athletic Grounds, it was a roasting hot day but Armagh's challenge faded out quickly and their supporters again left early. Since then, Armagh have won five championship matches in a row against Down by generally comfortable margins. Yesterday was the tightest championship encounter between the two counties for a quarter of a century and contained far more excitement than the 1991 meeting. The atmosphere was decent, rather than electric, but no one on the Down side will be complaining.
In 1991 both sets of supporters were buzzing,particularly after the previous year's encounter when Down came back from the dead to draw the semi final against Armagh at Casement only to lose by a single point in the replay.There was a genuine prospect of an Ulster title for the winners of this clash in 1991.I remember the game well,the crowd hoarse with excitement throughout and the acute disappointment of Armagh losing after only losing by a point in the previous year's Ulster Final.
Yes the facilities are better now,yes the sun was shining yesterday,but I'll still remember the 91 clash in a month's time, but not yesterday's clash.Then again in 1991 you had quality players like Blaney,Linden,Martin Mc Quillan,Ger Houlahan,i.e. no one on the pitch yesterday would lace these guys boots
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 05, 2017, 10:00:59 PM
The posters who have been suggesting that there was a flat atmosphere yesterday compared to previous contests may be letting distance lend enchantment to their views. Down's 1991 win was a dreadful game played in awful conditions at a venue which then had no cover at all, and soaked fans could not leave the ground quickly enough at the end. When Down won again the following year at the Athletic Grounds, it was a roasting hot day but Armagh's challenge faded out quickly and their supporters again left early. Since then, Armagh have won five championship matches in a row against Down by generally comfortable margins. Yesterday was the tightest championship encounter between the two counties for a quarter of a century and contained far more excitement than the 1991 meeting. The atmosphere was decent, rather than electric, but no one on the Down side will be complaining.
Sure we were young then and excitable!
I certainly remember it being wet, although a lot of the game was not that wet judging by the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm5uFmoBvHg
Beating Armagh was a good start in for Down 1991, as they were among the better teams in Ulster. Not so, now.
Quote from: armaghniac on June 05, 2017, 04:26:35 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
There is a lot of truth in this, the atmosphere was strangely muted. As noted earlier, previous League and even McKenna Cup games had more agitated crowds.
Quite apart from the second half, when Down parked the bus and defended in a disciplined way, this game was lost in the first 15 minutes when Armagh let Down off to a lead and failed to do anything.
Down are not great, but they have progressed none the less. Not much evidence of progress in Armagh.
Down have progressed a bit, but they still look like a fairly poor outfit.
The first Armagh goal they conceded will probably be a strong contender for "worst goal conceded by a defence in the championship" - To start with the foul conceded was for a blatant, clear as day, your 90 year-old granny blind in one eye and with a cataract in the other, sitting down in the opposite corner of the terrace could see it, even though Clarke had almost gone over the sideline to rescue an over-hit ball (I think there is a decent possibility it would have been a Down line-back if there was no push in the back - maybe someone at the game knows better?)but he wasn't posing any immediate danger, so giving away a free was just daft.
The high ball in was from a deadball that wasn't a taken quickly effort, so there was zero excuses for the Down defence in terms of having enough men back and these men taking up the correct positions.
There are only a limited number of options in this scenario but the key one is be ready for what happens if the ball drops into the square.
The fact that 2 Down players jumped and Murnin managed to "win" possession is a serious black mark against Down's defence.
Down could have survived as Murnin dropped the ball to the ground.
However despite there being plenty of Down men around it was an Armagh player (Clarke) who was the one who won possession and got the pass away to Shield.
At one stage when Clarke was in possession there was 5 Down players plus keeper between him and the goal, yet 2/3 seconds later after Shield stepped around one Down defender he only had the keeper to beat - his shot was a decent effort but the decision making process by the Down defenders to clear out of dodge as a unit was unbelievably poor.
As further damming evidence of the poorness of Down's defending, the nearest player to Cunningham in the Down goal's was Murnin - and there was a serious lack of Down players near the small "square" by this stage, so if Cunningham had even managed to save the shot, you would have said Murnin would be strong favourite to be the one to win the rebound.
Overall that was the kind of goal you expect to see conceded in an underage game by inexperienced defenders who have no idea of what they should be doing - for an intercounty team to concede such a goal is seriously rank bad defending. The worry for Down is that they conceded other cheap goal opportunities in the first half. In the second half they added more men to the defence, but the fact that Armagh scored 3 points in the 2nd half was more about the fact that Armagh's attack was woeful than about any great improvement in Down's defending.
Based on the game yesterday I would rate both teams chances poorly if they come any sort of half-decent side.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 10:10:01 PM
In 1991 both sets of supporters were buzzing,particularly after the previous year's encounter when Down came back from the dead to draw the semi final against Armagh at Casement only to lose by a single point in the replay.There was a genuine prospect of an Ulster title for the winners of this clash in 1991.I remember the game well,the crowd hoarse with excitement throughout and the acute disappointment of Armagh losing after only losing by a point in the previous year's Ulster Final.
Yes the facilities are better now,yes the sun was shining yesterday,but I'll still remember the 91 clash in a month's time, but not yesterday's clash.Then again in 1991 you had quality players like Blaney,Linden,Martin Mc Quillan,Ger Houlahan,i.e. no one on the pitch yesterday would lace these guys boots
Nonsense, that match was one of the worst games of football I have ever seen, Mickey Linden's penalty being the only highlight to a terrible game. A damp squib if ever there was one. Everyone was soaked to the skin and couldn't wait to get home, including Down fans whose team had just won. And people were hoarse because of an impending bout of flu.
It may not have had much good football technically (neither had yesterday's game) but both sides in 1991 had a genuine chance of an Ulster title and the stakes were high.
The worst match I ever saw was the 1991 AI semi between Down and a Kerry team so old and past it,it was tantamount to abuse of the elderly
Donegal Mayo 92 semi wasn't any better, T.
Correct,was at that one too.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Correct,was at that one too.
I think we all were. Great minor win beforehand.
Yes indeed
Quote from: yellowcard on June 05, 2017, 08:34:35 PM
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 05, 2017, 06:16:26 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
Couldn'd disagree with any of that. There was no atmosphere at the match and even the row at the end didn't ignite any passion on the terraces , more bemusement in my opinion. I think both sets of fans knew that the result would only judge who was the worst of 2 bad teams. McGeeney must have to look at himself and if he decides to stay he has some neck on him. I've heard the figure of £80,000 mentioned a few times and if it's true then it's shocking. Means that by the end of this year he'll have earned just short of a quarter of a million quid, for what. We have good players who have been ruined by him. I'm told he stood back in the Carrickdale on Sunday night and let the players tear into each other. If that's the case where does leadership come into it. He then, allegedly, at the end of the evening, snuck out a back door. If that's true it says a lot.
Any truth that because Geezer has creamed a cool £1/4 million that all the players got was soup and a sandwich and they tore into each other due to hunger?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 05, 2017, 11:57:43 PM
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 11:25:43 PM
Correct,was at that one too.
I think we all were. Great minor win beforehand.
And those minors went on to better things. The current crop were fine minors too.
It was a poor game of football, and I think both teams have decent players, Down had a game plan and that made the difference by the finest of margins. It's hard to know with Geezer, I look at the team and think could do better, but then we thought the same with the last three managers. Someone mentioned Bob Dylan, in Slow Train he wrote you "you either got faith or you got unbelief and there ain't no neutral ground." it sums up where most Armagh fans stand on Geezer. I'd like to see a McEntee or McConville or O'Neill in there with him. As for the £80K(if it is true), that is not coming from the County Board, if Geezer has sponsors willing to dole out that sort of cash, well fair play to him.
Surely if it is sponsors they must be contemplating the value for money aspect.
Quote from: Applesisapples on June 06, 2017, 09:35:03 AM
It was a poor game of football, and I think both teams have decent players, Down had a game plan and that made the difference by the finest of margins. It's hard to know with Geezer, I look at the team and think could do better, but then we thought the same with the last three managers. Someone mentioned Bob Dylan, in Slow Train he wrote you "you either got faith or you got unbelief and there ain't no neutral ground." it sums up where most Armagh fans stand on Geezer. I'd like to see a McEntee or McConville or O'Neill in there with him. As for the £80K(if it is true), that is not coming from the County Board, if Geezer has sponsors willing to dole out that sort of cash, well fair play to him.
Ultimately all money comes from sponsorship. Of course it isn't coming from the county board sure officially managers do not get paid!! I think it is the main reason why geezer comes under so much scrutiny compared to a lot of other managers.
Tony says that the Kerry team which Down beat in the 1991 AI semi final was `so old and past it, it was tantamount to abuse of the elderly'. In that summer, Kerry somehow managed to beat Cork who were going for their third All Ireland in a row and their fifth consecutive Munster title. Kerry certainly had a couple of much decorated veterans like Spillane and O'Shea but the spine of their side were in their 20s. Their captain and midfielder, Ambrose O'Donovan, was 29, half back Stephen Stack was 25, key forward Pa Dennehy was 22 and above all, Maurice Fitzgerald, accepted as one of their greatest players of all time, was 21. There were spells of tension and stalemate during the semi final, as it had been almost a quarter of a century since the last Ulster county lifted Sam, but Down produced a spell of sparkling football in the final quarter to seal the result. It was widely regarded as one of the significant semi finals of the era, as it paved the way for a period of Ulster domination which lasted for the next four years. Tony may not have enjoyed his day out at Croke Park, but other Armagh people sensibly used the occasion as part of the motivation for their own eventual breakthrough 11 seasons later.
It was enjoyable but Jacko and Spillane had to leave the.field wearing oxygen masks
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 06, 2017, 11:46:01 AM
Tony says that the Kerry team which Down beat in the 1991 AI semi final was `so old and past it, it was tantamount to abuse of the elderly'. In that summer, Kerry somehow managed to beat Cork who were going for their third All Ireland in a row and their fifth consecutive Munster title. Kerry certainly had a couple of much decorated veterans like Spillane and O'Shea but the spine of their side were in their 20s. Their captain and midfielder, Ambrose O'Donovan, was 29, half back Stephen Stack was 25, key forward Pa Dennehy was 22 and above all, Maurice Fitzgerald, accepted as one of their greatest players of all time, was 21. There were spells of tension and stalemate during the semi final, as it had been almost a quarter of a century since the last Ulster county lifted Sam, but Down produced a spell of sparkling football in the final quarter to seal the result. It was widely regarded as one of the significant semi finals of the era, as it paved the way for a period of Ulster domination which lasted for the next four years. Tony may not have enjoyed his day out at Croke Park, but other Armagh people sensibly used the occasion as part of the motivation for their own eventual breakthrough 11 seasons later.
So a touch of child abuse going on too then it seems ;)
Opinions based on facts. All good.
It was the first time since the 60s that a team from Ulster won an All Ireland semi without beating the Connacht champions . The result was sensational.
Yes Cork and Kerry were so strong in 1991 that Clare were.Munster Champs in 1992.🤔
Down managed the game better and parked the bus for the second half when they needed to. If Armagh had went for points and were that bit cuter, it would have been different.
Seemed like a rolloercoaster of a minor game. Wee james getting the best of the the cubs I see
In 1991, Cork and Kerry between them had won five of the previous seven All Irelands. However, Kerry do occasionally underperform at Croke Park, as their fourth quarter collapse in the 2002 final demonstrated.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 06, 2017, 03:32:39 PM
In 1991, Cork and Kerry between them had won five of the previous seven All Irelands. However, Kerry do occasionally underperform at Croke Park, as their fourth quarter collapse in the 2002 final demonstrated.
When you're there almost 50% of years you're bound to underperform ocassionally.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 06, 2017, 03:32:39 PM
In 1991, Cork and Kerry between them had won five of the previous seven All Irelands. However, Kerry do occasionally underperform at Croke Park, as their fourth quarter collapse in the 2002 final demonstrated.
And on the flip side, they won none of the next 6!
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 06, 2017, 03:32:39 PM
In 1991, Cork and Kerry between them had won five of the previous seven All Irelands. However, Kerry do occasionally underperform at Croke Park, as their fourth quarter collapse in the 2002 final demonstrated.
What fourth quarter collapse in 02? they were owned in that second half.
Quote from: stew on June 06, 2017, 03:55:00 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 06, 2017, 03:32:39 PM
In 1991, Cork and Kerry between them had won five of the previous seven All Irelands. However, Kerry do occasionally underperform at Croke Park, as their fourth quarter collapse in the 2002 final demonstrated.
What fourth quarter collapse in 02? they were owned in that second half.
You tell 'em, stew!
Kerry led for most of the match and were four up in the 53rd minute. Armagh then responded brilliantly, but, including injury time, Kerry failed to manage a single score in the last 20 minutes of play, which would be generally regarded as a fourth quarter collapse.
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 06, 2017, 04:20:57 PM
Kerry led for most of the match and were four up in the 53rd minute. Armagh then responded brilliantly, but, including injury time, Kerry failed to manage a single score in the last 20 minutes of play, which would be generally regarded as a fourth quarter collapse.
Or n excellent defensive effort from Armagh
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 06, 2017, 04:59:58 PM
Quote from: Mourne Rover on June 06, 2017, 04:20:57 PM
Kerry led for most of the match and were four up in the 53rd minute. Armagh then responded brilliantly, but, including injury time, Kerry failed to manage a single score in the last 20 minutes of play, which would be generally regarded as a fourth quarter collapse.
Or n excellent defensive effort from Armagh
Armagh simply wanted it more.
Quote from: T Fearon on June 05, 2017, 04:15:38 PM
So Mc Geeney had no input yesterday,at half time etc,it was all down to John Toal,according to himself? Is this the way this will be spun,don't blame Kieran?
I said last week that this game didn't matter,neither team will have a long summer.That was proven yesterday.The Down delight was muted and more about winning a Championship fixture.Meanwhile I walked back into Newry City Centre after the game,with hordes of others,Down and Armagh fans and saw no evidence of unfettered joy from Down fans nor heard any moaning from Armagh fans.This is a long way from the halcyon days when a win in this fixture would have been celebrated like an All Ireland win or a defeat would have incited a riot in protest.Narrow Defeat in this fixture in 1991 cost Joe Kernan and Paddy Moriarity their jobs (and they had brought the team to the Ulster Final the previous year).Are both teams now that poor that people have given up?
No qualifier round in them days. There was a lot more at stake in every match when it was a straight knockout.
Sensational article from Benny Coulter calling Armagh a disgrace and saying that it was a 2 point hammering. I don't know what he was smoking but the reality was that there was very little between the 2 teams on Sunday. His hatred for Armagh shone through in that article and I think he has lost the run of himself. Described Mooney as the best half back in Ireland and 2 other Down defenders as the best in Ulster and basically called Armagh crap.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
Sensational article from Benny Coulter calling Armagh a disgrace and saying that it was a 2 point hammering. I don't know what he was smoking but the reality was that there was very little between the 2 teams on Sunday. His hatred for Armagh shone through in that article and I think he has lost the run of himself. Described Mooney as the best half back in Ireland and 2 other Down defenders as the best in Ulster and basically called Armagh crap.
He was pinting away on Sunday so was clearly airlocked writing his article
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
Sensational article from Benny Coulter calling Armagh a disgrace and saying that it was a 2 point hammering. I don't know what he was smoking but the reality was that there was very little between the 2 teams on Sunday. His hatred for Armagh shone through in that article and I think he has lost the run of himself. Described Mooney as the best half back in Ireland and 2 other Down defenders as the best in Ulster and basically called Armagh crap.
They were crap.
Down used the ball better, were more economical and had more of a clue what they were at. With 20 minutes to go, I knew Armagh weren't going to win as they had no ideas.
Armagh's 2 goals actually made it look a lot closer than it should have been. Down were superior by at least 5-6 points.
Lads I'm afraid to burst your bubble but Armagh were crap
Down went into an early lead and Armagh had about 2 attacks in the first 15 minutes
2 goals in the space of 5 minutes made things look respectable
With 10 minutes gone in the second half the game was over
All the talk about Armagh have a division 1 forward line and a division 3 defence?
Who are these division 1 forwards?
Bit over the top with mooney thou
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2017, 12:22:08 PM
Sensational article from Benny Coulter calling Armagh a disgrace and saying that it was a 2 point hammering. I don't know what he was smoking but the reality was that there was very little between the 2 teams on Sunday. His hatred for Armagh shone through in that article and I think he has lost the run of himself. Described Mooney as the best half back in Ireland and 2 other Down defenders as the best in Ulster and basically called Armagh crap.
Link?
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2017, 12:35:18 PM
Lads I'm afraid to burst your bubble but Armagh were crap
Down went into an early lead and Armagh had about 2 attacks in the first 15 minutes
2 goals in the space of 5 minutes made things look respectable
With 10 minutes gone in the second half the game was over
All the talk about Armagh have a division 1 forward line and a division 3 defence?
Who are these division 1 forwards?
Bit over the top with mooney thou
Armagh could have had 5 goals in the first half alone against a team with supposedly the best half back in Ireland and 2 of the best defenders in Ulster. The second half they had more possession than Down but admittedly were clueless in finding a way through the Down blanket defence. Down just repeatedly slowed them Down 60 metres from goal and broke quickly to pick off scores. There is very little between the teams and to say otherwise is daft.
Armagh were crap yellow Jesus just admit it
The game looked over after 50 minutes
The work rate of a lot of those Armagh players leaves a lot to be desired ?
Ex Armagh players are probably thinking the same
Do you really think the likes of Paul McGrane Francie Bellew McEntees and McConville would except that?
Those men were all winners but I'm afraid this Armagh team believed in all the hype surrounding them this past few weeks for whatever reason I do not know.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2017, 12:57:51 PM
Armagh were crap yellow Jesus just admit it
The game looked over after 50 minutes
The work rate of a lot of those Armagh players leaves a lot to be desired ?
Ex Armagh players are probably thinking the same
Do you really think the likes of Paul McGrane Francie Bellew McEntees and McConville would except that?
Those men were all winners but I'm afraid this Armagh team believed in all the hype surrounding them this past few weeks for whatever reason I do not know.
You are spot on, and I admit it. We were crap. Can't say if Armagh players bought into their own hype, but the fans certainly did.
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2017, 12:57:51 PM
Armagh were crap yellow Jesus just admit it
The game looked over after 50 minutes
The work rate of a lot of those Armagh players leaves a lot to be desired ?
Ex Armagh players are probably thinking the same
Do you really think the likes of Paul McGrane Francie Bellew McEntees and McConville would except that?
Those men were all winners but I'm afraid this Armagh team believed in all the hype surrounding them this past few weeks for whatever reason I do not know.
Far too simplistic to say, Down good, Armagh crap. That's primary school analysis.
It was nothing to do with work rate. It was mostly decision making on the ball, losing possession too easily, lack of long range shooting and failure to take their chances in the first half that cost them. As for the hype, I'm not sure what hype exactly. Most rational Armagh people realise we are a division 3 team for a reason and are a long way off challenging for Ulster titles never mind anything else. If I was a Down fan I wouldn't be getting too carried away with beating a 'crap' Armagh team on Sunday.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2017, 01:15:23 PM
Far too simplistic to say, Down good, Armagh crap. That's primary school analysis.
It was nothing to do with work rate. It was mostly decision making on the ball, losing possession too easily, lack of long range shooting and failure to take their chances in the first half that cost them. As for the hype, I'm not sure what hype exactly. Most rational Armagh people realise we are a division 3 team for a reason and are a long way off challenging for Ulster titles never mind anything else. If I was a Down fan I wouldn't be getting too carried away with beating a 'crap' Armagh team on Sunday.
Wouldn't that be a good definition of being crap?????
Anyway it was two poor teams and for them it was their All-Ireland final because neither team is going very far in the real championship. Nice to have the win but I am under no illusion that it might be the the start of a brave new era.
Quote from: PAULD123 on June 07, 2017, 03:10:44 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2017, 01:15:23 PM
Far too simplistic to say, Down good, Armagh crap. That's primary school analysis.
It was nothing to do with work rate. It was mostly decision making on the ball, losing possession too easily, lack of long range shooting and failure to take their chances in the first half that cost them. As for the hype, I'm not sure what hype exactly. Most rational Armagh people realise we are a division 3 team for a reason and are a long way off challenging for Ulster titles never mind anything else. If I was a Down fan I wouldn't be getting too carried away with beating a 'crap' Armagh team on Sunday.
Wouldn't that be a good definition of being crap?????
Anyway it was two poor teams and for them it was their All-Ireland final because neither team is going very far in the real championship. Nice to have the win but I am under no illusion that it might be the the start of a brave new era.
I was one who never saw us losing to Down, I thought that because we have the players to beat them, we do, what we do not have is a coach that allows them to play devoid of mistakes, these players were tight and seemed to get no enjoyment from the game, I have never seen any team from any county refuse to shoot in front of goal more than we did on Sunday last, it was infuriating and disgraceful, Geezer needs to move on and McEntee, John McEntee should be offered a three year deal to right the ship and get us contending for a place in Division 1 football and challenging for an Ulster title, we have the players, we just need the coach and geezer is most assuredly not the man to get the job done sadly.
Down have a poor defence,in particular 2 & 3.
Here's a novel idea...both teams are shite...one just slightly less white than the other?
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 07, 2017, 03:50:55 PM
Here's a novel idea...both teams are shite...one just slightly less white than the other?
Isn't that racist? ;)
How about all county teams are shite. Dublin are just less shite than everyone else.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 07, 2017, 04:06:52 PM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on June 07, 2017, 03:50:55 PM
Here's a novel idea...both teams are shite...one just slightly less white than the other?
Isn't that racist? ;)
How about all county teams are shite. Dublin are just less shite than everyone else.
Haha...resisting temptation to make a smart magpie reference 😉.
Quote from: elk on June 07, 2017, 03:30:18 PM
Down have a poor defence,in particular 2 & 3.
Doherty was making not only his championship debut but his full county debut and he didn't do too bad considering he saved a certain goal. Ryan McAleenan pretty much had the corner back spot nailed down all year but his injury allowed Doherty to step forward. Also McGovern at 3 has proved himself in both club, county, college and province colours to be a talented full back who could probably play anywhere up to the half forward line
Had to laugh at this "We're a sleeping giant " from none other than Aidan Forker, in a coma more like!!
Quote from: Nanderson on June 07, 2017, 04:34:18 PM
Quote from: elk on June 07, 2017, 03:30:18 PM
Down have a poor defence,in particular 2 & 3.
Doherty was making not only his championship debut but his full county debut and he didn't do too bad considering he saved a certain goal. Ryan McAleenan pretty much had the corner back spot nailed down all year but his injury allowed Doherty to step forward. Also McGovern at 3 has proved himself in both club, county, college and province colours to be a talented full back who could probably play anywhere up to the half forward line
Mc Aleenan is a superior player and is unfortunately injured. Apart from the finger tip save the two of them could have cost Down the game in the first half as they didn't defend the small box very well. Thank god the management were able to sort things out at half time
Quote
Armagh could have had 5 goals in the first half aloneagainst a team with supposedly the best half back in Ireland and 2 of the best defenders in Ulster. The second half they had more possession than Down but admittedly were clueless in finding a way through the Down blanket defence. Down just repeatedly slowed them Down 60 metres from goal and broke quickly to pick off scores. There is very little between the teams and to say otherwise is daft.
Another take on that would be that Armagh were virtually out of the game with just 10 mins gone and had to resort to going for goals in order to stay in touch.
Quote from: StGallsGAA on June 07, 2017, 09:59:01 PM
Quote
Armagh could have had 5 goals in the first half aloneagainst a team with supposedly the best half back in Ireland and 2 of the best defenders in Ulster. The second half they had more possession than Down but admittedly were clueless in finding a way through the Down blanket defence. Down just repeatedly slowed them Down 60 metres from goal and broke quickly to pick off scores. There is very little between the teams and to say otherwise is daft.
Another take on that would be that Armagh were virtually out of the game with just 10 mins gone and had to resort to going for goals in order to stay in touch.
Which is exactly the problem. What was Armagh at for the first half of the first half?
Quote from: stew on June 07, 2017, 03:26:23 PM
I was one who never saw us losing to Down, I thought that because we have the players to beat them, we do, what we do not have is a coach that allows them to play devoid of mistakes, these players were tight and seemed to get no enjoyment from the game, I have never seen any team from any county refuse to shoot in front of goal more than we did on Sunday last, it was infuriating and disgraceful, Geezer needs to move on and McEntee, John McEntee should be offered a three year deal to right the ship and get us contending for a place in Division 1 football and challenging for an Ulster title, we have the players, we just need the coach and geezer is most assuredly not the man to get the job done sadly.
Why shoot when the ball will only drop into the keepers arms? Or go wide? Personally, I thought Armagh were trying to be patient and waiting either for a good shooting opportunity or pass to someone making a run. The problem seemed to be that nobody was making runs into space.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2017, 12:44:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2017, 12:35:18 PM
Lads I'm afraid to burst your bubble but Armagh were crap
Down went into an early lead and Armagh had about 2 attacks in the first 15 minutes
2 goals in the space of 5 minutes made things look respectable
With 10 minutes gone in the second half the game was over
All the talk about Armagh have a division 1 forward line and a division 3 defence?
Who are these division 1 forwards?
Bit over the top with mooney thou
Armagh could have had 5 goals in the first half alone against a team with supposedly the best half back in Ireland and 2 of the best defenders in Ulster. The second half they had more possession than Down but admittedly were clueless in finding a way through the Down blanket defence. Down just repeatedly slowed them Down 60 metres from goal and broke quickly to pick off scores. There is very little between the teams and to say otherwise is daft.
I don't know where you have heard down have supposedly the best half back line in ireland and two of the best defenders in ulster. The most ardent of down fans wouldn't be even close to agreeing with that. Their defense is ropy and they know that themselves.
I am neutral but i could not believe how bad that armagh team was. Why wouldn't their forwards shoot for points in the second half? I don't believe they are that bad though - has to have been a one off. I imagine that has to have been one of their worst ever championship performances. Definitely in living memory anyway.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 07, 2017, 10:26:23 PM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 07, 2017, 12:44:12 PM
Quote from: Smurfy123 on June 07, 2017, 12:35:18 PM
Lads I'm afraid to burst your bubble but Armagh were crap
Down went into an early lead and Armagh had about 2 attacks in the first 15 minutes
2 goals in the space of 5 minutes made things look respectable
With 10 minutes gone in the second half the game was over
All the talk about Armagh have a division 1 forward line and a division 3 defence?
Who are these division 1 forwards?
Bit over the top with mooney thou
Armagh could have had 5 goals in the first half alone against a team with supposedly the best half back in Ireland and 2 of the best defenders in Ulster. The second half they had more possession than Down but admittedly were clueless in finding a way through the Down blanket defence. Down just repeatedly slowed them Down 60 metres from goal and broke quickly to pick off scores. There is very little between the teams and to say otherwise is daft.
I don't know where you have heard down have supposedly the best half back line in ireland and two of the best defenders in ulster. The most ardent of down fans wouldn't be even close to agreeing with that. Their defense is ropy and they know that themselves.
I am neutral but i could not believe how bad that armagh team was. Why wouldn't their forwards shoot for points in the second half? I don't believe they are that bad though - has to have been a one off. I imagine that has to have been one of their worst ever championship performances. Definitely in living memory anyway.
I can remember a few bad uns over the past 7 or 8 years!
Donegal at home 2 years ago when Geezer decided we'd park the bus in the second half and defend a 10 point deficit must be up there
Who said Down have the best half back line in Ireland?
Quote from: Dougal Maguire on June 08, 2017, 01:22:57 AM
Donegal at home 2 years ago when Geezer decided we'd park the bus in the second half and defend a 10 point deficit must be up there
I remember that game...I was away and listening to it with some lads from Monaghan...we just sat laughing with incredulous awe at how stupid Armagh were.
Quote from: Orior on June 07, 2017, 10:21:03 PM
Quote from: stew on June 07, 2017, 03:26:23 PM
I was one who never saw us losing to Down, I thought that because we have the players to beat them, we do, what we do not have is a coach that allows them to play devoid of mistakes, these players were tight and seemed to get no enjoyment from the game, I have never seen any team from any county refuse to shoot in front of goal more than we did on Sunday last, it was infuriating and disgraceful, Geezer needs to move on and McEntee, John McEntee should be offered a three year deal to right the ship and get us contending for a place in Division 1 football and challenging for an Ulster title, we have the players, we just need the coach and geezer is most assuredly not the man to get the job done sadly.
Why shoot when the ball will only drop into the keepers arms? Or go wide? Personally, I thought Armagh were trying to be patient and waiting either for a good shooting opportunity or pass to someone making a run. The problem seemed to be that nobody was making runs into space.
I was there and to see intercounty forwards refusing to shoot from 25 yards was infuriating. We might as well forget about it if the plan is to get as close as possible and only shoot when sure. You won't see too many points from 40 metres if thats the case. This was not the case during the league. Let the players play.
I'm actually mixed on all this...i do believe KMcG has had his chance and failed and people are calling for John MAC and i suppose he'd be grand but i'd prefer the other twin Tony MAC and maybe they could do a joint manage job...who knows?.
On the other hand as much as i think we have good players i don't think they're as good as what Armagh fans think they are, at best we'd be a mid division 2 team but division 2 or division 3 wouldn't matter a big lot TBH come Championship time. So far judging by this and previous seasons our summer will be over very quickly (hope not). KMcG will be under big pressure to remain in the hot seat for next season...time will tell.
In fairness I have yet to hear any Armagh fan say we are any higher than a mid division 2 team. That's where we should be at but we're not. I wouldn't expect to have beaten Monaghan but I did expect to beat Down (a low division 2 team). Even in our run in 2014 we only beat mid tier teams (with the exception of Tyrone, that was just a bonus ;)). We beat Cavan,Roscommon and Meath who (at that time) were not division 1 teams. Again, I didn't expect to beat Donegal in the 14 QF but was happy we were competitive in that game.
We simply want to play to our potential (say a 12th or 13th ranking in the country).
Forget the sam, Armagh need to get to Div 2 and compete in Ulster. the rest will take longer. Geezer has not improved this squad.