Tyrone v Dublin - The return of the Jedi

Started by Fuzzman, August 05, 2017, 08:46:59 PM

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phpearse

Very interesting to see how Tyrone will cope with the pressure of an All Ireland semi against the Dubs. With the team of the 00's we knew going into battle with Ricey, Gormley, Jordan, Dooher, O'Neill and the rest, what you would get. This team I'm not so sure but the game is there for them to make a name for themselves. Dublin are tried and tested, Tyrone are not. That said it is a big ask for Dublin to go to the well each year and come out on top. Like Tyrone they have coasted their way to this stage and perhaps when the pressure is applied they may not just be as manic in the tackle as they have been for the past few years. You would assume that Tyrone will be more hungry than Dublin so it will be some credit to Dublin if they can match Tyrone in intensity after so long on the road. If they are focussed as Tyrone, then you feel that Dublin have the edge.


dublin7

#241
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)
If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Ridiculous post. It's one thing for the dubs to get abuse for money/grants but now apparently they dive as well and this from a Tyrone fan!!! Pot, kettle, black. No one has mastered the art of diving/falling for frees like Sean Cavanagh. Honorable mention to his brother Colm and who can forget Tiernan's dive. I can only assume the post was a wind up because no one could take it seriously

BennyHarp

#242
Quote from: dublin7 on August 12, 2017, 10:33:44 PM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)
If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Ridiculous post. It's one thing for the dubs to get abuse for money/grants but now apparently they dive as well and this from a Tyrone fan!!! Pot, kettle, black. No one has mastered the art of diving/falling for frees like Sean Cavanagh. Honorable mention to his brother Colm and who can forget Tiernan's dive. I can only assume the post was a wind up because no one could take it seriously

This is definitely no wind up. Your lads systematically earn yourselves frees in kickable positions for Rock. It was blatant against Monaghan and is a good tactic to keep the scoreboard ticking over with such a reliable free taker. It's fine pointing the finger at Tyrone, but your lads have turned it into an essential part of your actual gameplan. A forward line that has lost a top of their game Flynn and Bernard Brogan not to mention Alan Brogan and for most of the season Connolly, it's hardly surprising that Gavlin has opted to take some of the scoring pressure off the forward unit. It's definitely not as scary a forward line as it was a few years ago.....as long as there is a strong ref. And I haven't even mentioned the blatant injury feigning to get lads sent off! Have you acknowledged Coopers antics yet?
That was never a square ball!!

clarshack

too much has now been made of Tyrone being more hungry and taking out the Dubs. wouldn't be surprised if the Dubs turn round and give out a hiding tbh.

StGallsGAA

Quote from: clarshack on August 12, 2017, 11:24:59 PM
too much has now been made of Tyrone being more hungry and taking out the Dubs. wouldn't be surprised if the Dubs turn round and give out a hiding tbh.

Take your alternative view of how the match might unfold to the bookies and make yourself a clean fortune! ;)

imtommygunn

It is very hard to know. It could well happen. Tyrone by 2 or dublin by 10 lol.

I don't think tyrone have the scoring power to beat them and while people talk about harte being best player in the country if he is marking jack mccaffrey he will have his work cut out.

I hope i am wrong. Dublin dominating not great for the game but they are dominating and this tyrone team have yet to prove themselves at this level. It is a big step for them.


omaghjoe

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:16:56 PM
And I haven't even mentioned the blatant injury feigning to get lads sent off! Have you acknowledged Coopers antics yet?

He defo embarrassed himself with that carry on with McManus

rrhf

That's a one off from cooper but like Mc canns dive this things follow you like a smell for sometime after. Coopers hard and his specialism is off the ball intimidation. Dublins soft fall in attack is a system though and any ref can see through that.

BennyHarp

Quote from: rrhf on August 13, 2017, 08:23:32 AM
That's a one off from cooper but like Mc canns dive this things follow you like a smell for sometime after. Coopers hard and his specialism is off the ball intimidation. Dublins soft fall in attack is a system though and any ref can see through that.

Not a one off from the Dubs though - Philly McMahon has form too.
That was never a square ball!!

yellowcard

Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)
If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Diving as a tactic, I think I've heard it all now!! Just 2 words as a retort to that, Sean Cavanagh.

RedHand88

Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2017, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)
If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Diving as a tactic, I think I've heard it all now!! Just 2 words as a retort to that, Sean Cavanagh.

Can anyone actually point to any incidents of sean cavanagh diving or are you all just sheep following a lazy amateur analysis from RTE 3 or 4 years ago?

Fear ón Srath Bán

Quote from: RedHand88 on August 13, 2017, 09:54:47 AM

Can anyone actually point to any incidents of sean cavanagh diving or are you all just sheep following a lazy amateur analysis from RTE 3 or 4 years ago?

You might be waiting a while there a chara ;)
Carlsberg don't do Gombeenocracies, but by jaysus if they did...

Taylor

McMahon and Cooper are at their dirt every game and it usually off the ball. Umpires and linesman are either clean useless or blatantly ignore it.

As for Sean, the amount of abuse he takes during a game is unreal. I watched him closely  v Down and it is a credit to the mam he kept the head. The nipple nipping was mild.

Anyone that says he dives is talking through their hole

Jinxy

If you were any use you'd be playing.

BennyHarp

#254
Quote from: yellowcard on August 13, 2017, 08:59:55 AM
Quote from: BennyHarp on August 12, 2017, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: seafoid on August 12, 2017, 02:57:45 AM
Quote from: Fuzzman on August 12, 2017, 12:17:02 AM
Dean Rock has been a very important player for Dublin the last few years and on the last few league games against Tyrone has scored the equalising goal or point near the end.

I'm just wondering how many of his 3.19 are from frees or penalties? I think he's become much more rounded player as he showed how he takes his goals these days.

My reason for asking is that Tyrone and Donegal the last few years have worked very hard on not giving away scoreable frees, at least when the game is still up for grabs.
Its probably because defenders know they don't have to be overly robust or physical because should they not win the ball there will be another body back to hold him up.

I think the winning and losing of this game could come down to the amount of frees Tyrone give away AND can Tyrone score the frees they get.
In the last few years Tyrone have got to quarter and semi finals they have created enough goal and point chances but have not taken them.
So far this year they have put up huge scores but only really in the 3rd or 4th quarter.

Would another draw be a surprise?
Would the replay be in Omagh or Clones?
Clones or in the Nell?
;) ;)
If Tyrone can maintain that no fouling in the scoring zone discipline it could get very interesting.

Dubs have mastered the art of winning the free in scoring distance for Rock. Yes, everyone will come on saying that Tyrone do it, but I'm just pointing out that it is a clear tactic from Dublin to go down in the tackle, arch the back to pretend your being held, grab on the defenders arm and go down and at times a blatant roll around clutching your face. The contact is made, the hill roars and the weak ref gives the free. Rock cleans up and the scoreboard ticks over. Genius really...and a definite tactic. Tyrone give away very few frees in games as their skill and discipline in the tackle is second to none, if Coldrick can bring a set of balls with him, then we will be in business. I don't think the current Dublin forward line will score enough from play and rely on the boost that a free taker kicking 8 or 9 gives them as it eases the pressure on their own shooting.

Diving as a tactic, I think I've heard it all now!! Just 2 words as a retort to that, Sean Cavanagh.

Don't be so naive! Dubs and Kerry use every trick in the book. If you earn a reputation for getting up early, you can sleep till lunch.
That was never a square ball!!