Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[Itchy]

Glad to see Joe Brolly giving both barrels to Genocide Joe on twitter and media picking it up. I'd love to see the Blewit family do the same. It would hurt the old bastard I think. He serves everything he gets for sanctioning these massacres.

[Rossfan]

He certainly does.
He could also have stopped Netanyahu and his extremist Government from their disgraceful treatment of Palestinians last few years but chose to ignore it.

[AustinPowers]

Israel's position (in the Middle East) is the sole reason to its importance to the west. It's unwavering defiance to Iran and other Arab states gives them, it seems,  carte blanche, it will only take international condemnation of Israel's atrocities from the governments, but for whatever reason or what they provide the west with, it keeps allowing them to continue unabated.

That's a simplification, and simplifications curse this debate. The West allowed 6 million Jews die without doing much about it in some cases and actively doing it in others and that also informs attitudes to Israel.

Whether the west allowed it to happen during the holocaust is debatable, ordinary men, I think, is the doc on Netflix that will certainly give you perspective on how, ordinary men can do unimaginable things to fellow men.

This is happening now in 'reverse' and happened for all to see during the Balkan war. The west will step in when it suits them, maybe when there is something in it for them, halting the Russians in Ukraine seems to be ok and just, preventing ten of thousands of deaths in Palestine not so much..

Africa is a complete mess, but gets no coverage unless millions die of hunger, but never covering or sorting out the reasons to why they are dying

As Itchy said, a meteorite would sort the whole place out!

I hope you're not lumping  me in with Hitler, Pol Pot , Netanyahu  and the likes.

This phrase "Mans inhumanity to man " is insulting to millions upon millions  of people who go through life harming nobody. 

Wars are started by  a small number of psychopaths, who care not a jot  for other human beings.  Most ordinary folk have their flaws , but most are not of  the ilk of  those headcases listed above

[Milltown Row2]

Israel's position (in the Middle East) is the sole reason to its importance to the west. It's unwavering defiance to Iran and other Arab states gives them, it seems,  carte blanche, it will only take international condemnation of Israel's atrocities from the governments, but for whatever reason or what they provide the west with, it keeps allowing them to continue unabated.

That's a simplification, and simplifications curse this debate. The West allowed 6 million Jews die without doing much about it in some cases and actively doing it in others and that also informs attitudes to Israel.

Whether the west allowed it to happen during the holocaust is debatable, ordinary men, I think, is the doc on Netflix that will certainly give you perspective on how, ordinary men can do unimaginable things to fellow men.

This is happening now in 'reverse' and happened for all to see during the Balkan war. The west will step in when it suits them, maybe when there is something in it for them, halting the Russians in Ukraine seems to be ok and just, preventing ten of thousands of deaths in Palestine not so much..

Africa is a complete mess, but gets no coverage unless millions die of hunger, but never covering or sorting out the reasons to why they are dying

As Itchy said, a meteorite would sort the whole place out!

I hope you're not lumping  me in with Hitler, Pol Pot , Netanyahu  and the likes.

This phrase "Mans inhumanity to man " is insulting to millions upon millions  of people who go through life harming nobody. 

Wars are started by  a small number of psychopaths, who care not a jot  for other human beings.  Most ordinary folk have their flaws , but most are not of  the ilk of  those headcases listed above

During economic disasters throughout history people will always look for reasons why, how do others flourish while we do not..

Sell people a story, create a boggey man and it's not difficult to get enough people to believe it..

Before long there are atrocities being carried out. All in the name of war or freedom or oppression or whatever, but whatever side of the fence you sit, you'll buy it.

 Currently you have Afghanistan, Central African Republic, Ethiopia, Libya, Mali, Somalia, South Sudan, Syria and Palestine all in conflict.

The people fuelling these wars let on to be the peace brokers...

Ordinary people here, teachers, students, fathers, mothers carried out heinous stuff. Was it one person that dragged them into doing those things?

[Wildweasel74]

How did the west allow it to happen, Britain was getting their ass handed to them in WW2 until the USA entered the fray, "France was gone, half the Eastern countries were over run. How excately were they to do anything when they didn't get a foothold in Europe to Mid/late 1944?.It seems they were aware something was happening but how were they to do something in Poland other side of, Germany?. They did bomb the town beside 1 Death camp, and inmates wondered years later why they didn't try to bomb the camps.

[Wildweasel74]

What is forgot, is the Majority of Nazis saw no Justice, less than a hundred were hanged, this side of the Berlin wall. America the main party involved, in letting the majority of them off, so they could get Germany to roll in behind them, with the cold war heating up, in the 50's.Never saw Israel hold the USA to account for that. No Arab was ever involved in what happened to the Jewish population of Eastern Europe,Holland, France or German Jews during WW2. They sorta forget that these days.

[ONeill]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

[Franko]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Shinners not coming out of this well

[seafoid]

What is forgot, is the Majority of Nazis saw no Justice, less than a hundred were hanged, this side of the wall. America the main party involved in letting the majority of them off, so they could get Germany in behind them, during the cold wall heating up in the 50's.Never saw Israel hold the USA to account for that. No Arab was ever involved in what happened to the Jewish population of Eastern Europe,Holland, France or German Jews during WW2. They sorta forget that these days.

The Germans paid reparations to Holocaust survivors in Israel but the money was diverted to pay for infrastructure such as railways. Holocaust survivors were routinely humiliated in Israel in the 50s and 60s.
German politicians like Ursula plamas Israel so they won't be reminded of what the Nazis did. It's the same with dutch politicians . 75% of Dutch were murdered in the Holocaust. . Zionists are predators who portray themselves as victims. 
They have redefined anti semitism as any opposition to Israel. And they now they are running a campaign of genocide.

[armaghniac]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Expelling ambassadors is a show-off concept, not a serious one. The Russia, Iranian, Chinese etc ambassadors are still there and you need someone to give out it.

[Itchy]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Expelling ambassadors is a show-off concept, not a serious one. The Russia, Iranian, Chinese etc ambassadors are still there and you need someone to give out it.

Except the last time this happened they were leading the calls for it. What's changed? Genocide Joe cuddling up to Mary Lou is what happened.
They've lost my No1 vote as a result

[Armagh18]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Expelling ambassadors is a show-off concept, not a serious one. The Russia, Iranian, Chinese etc ambassadors are still there and you need someone to give out it.

Except the last time this happened they were leading the calls for it. What's changed? Genocide Joe cuddling up to Mary Lou is what happened.
They've lost my No1 vote as a result

Would like to hear their reasons why.

[dec]

75% of Dutch were murdered in the Holocaust.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_Netherlands

1930    7,825,000   +1.48%
1940    8,834,000   +1.22%
1950    10,026,773   +1.27%

[armaghniac]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Expelling ambassadors is a show-off concept, not a serious one. The Russia, Iranian, Chinese etc ambassadors are still there and you need someone to give out it.

Except the last time this happened they were leading the calls for it. What's changed? Genocide Joe cuddling up to Mary Lou is what happened.
They've lost my No1 vote as a result

Would like to hear their reasons why.

Because they want to be serious party and not just a shouty one.

[JoG2]

Why did Sinn Fein abstain from the motion to expel the Israeli ambassador?

Expelling ambassadors is a show-off concept, not a serious one. The Russia, Iranian, Chinese etc ambassadors are still there and you need someone to give out it.

Except the last time this happened they were leading the calls for it. What's changed? Genocide Joe cuddling up to Mary Lou is what happened.
They've lost my No1 vote as a result

Would like to hear their reasons why.

Because they want to be serious party and not just a shouty one.

To recap, they a: don't want to be show offs and b: don't want to be shouty... Got it