26 County General Election 2020

[five points]

They will go up after the next mega crash . It's mechanical in the eurozone.
Houses are overvalued again.

You are correct. But say we shouldn't be in the eurozone and all hell breaks loose.

[Snapchap]

1. He made these remarks as Taoiseach.

And? His reputation as Taoiseach lies in ruins.

2. If Paul Quinn's death isn't being cynically used for election purposes, you'll of course accept that whether or not Bertie was standing for an election is totally irrelevant to the question of whether he owed a public apology to the Quinns in the way Conor Muprhy is being asked to?

Bertie also owes the Quinns an apology. But because he's discredited and not running for office, nobody really cares about that, which is a pity. I'd love to see him squirm again.

3. Bertie was an IRA apologist?? I've heard it all now.

He was. His "peacemaker" patter depended on it.

My point exactly. Nobody doing all the shouting in the past week really gives a toss about the Quinns. Or about whether or not they get an apology. They just see the fact that Conor Murphy has not apologised as a golden opportunity to score some cheap political points. If that wasn't the case, surely the Taoiseach - the most senior politician in Ireland - calling Paul Quinn a criminal would have caused twice the uproar in the media as was caused by Conor Murphy saying the same thing.

P.s. Yeah nothing says IRA apologist like repeatedly calling them criminals and terrorists 

[five points]

My point exactly. Nobody doing all the shouting in the past week really gives a toss about the Quinns. Or about whether or not they get an apology. They just see the fact that Conor Murphy has not apologised as a golden opportunity to score some cheap political points. If that wasn't the case, surely the Taoiseach - the most senior politician in Ireland - calling Paul Quinn a criminal would have caused twice the uproar in the media as was caused by Conor Murphy saying the same thing.

P.s. Yeah nothing says IRA apologist like repeatedly calling them criminals and terrorists 

Bertie getting an undeserved free pass doesn't mean that Conor Murphy deserves one.

Bertie's talk was always cheap.

[Snapchap]

My point exactly. Nobody doing all the shouting in the past week really gives a toss about the Quinns. Or about whether or not they get an apology. They just see the fact that Conor Murphy has not apologised as a golden opportunity to score some cheap political points. If that wasn't the case, surely the Taoiseach - the most senior politician in Ireland - calling Paul Quinn a criminal would have caused twice the uproar in the media as was caused by Conor Murphy saying the same thing.

P.s. Yeah nothing says IRA apologist like repeatedly calling them criminals and terrorists 

Bertie getting an undeserved free pass doesn't mean that Conor Murphy deserves one.

Bertie's talk was always cheap.

And as you have already conceded earlier, the only reason Conor Murphy isn't getting a free pass is because people are using & abusing Paul Quinn's name to attack SF. Their concern is not for the Quinns. By Sunday, they'll be immediately forgotten and discarded by Micheal Martin/Miriam O'Callaghan and their ilk when they have outlived their usefulness. It's disgusting.

[yellowcard]

Colum Eastwood has now raised the Quinn case in the House of Commons and got some muddled reply from Boris Johnson about justice for veterans. I don't think the DUP have commented yet but if they also call on Conor Murphy to resign it could well put the Stormont institutions back under threat again.   

[Angelo]

It impacts rents when there are no controls and regulation on it. When residential properties are in the hands of private investors then that is when the rental market can fly out of control as it has done.

What do you propose, confiscations?

What do you think that would do for supply? Remember the State can't afford to spend €250,000 a unit building new units. It can't even afford to maintain its own dilapidated units

CPOs, penalties and high taxes on landlords who own more than one residential property.

The state can afford to put €400m in the pockets of private landlords a year. Whatever the state put in social housing is capital investment into assets that generate a future revenue stream, whatever they put into the pockets of private landlords is lost to the state.

€400m a year builds a lot of social houses alone.

€400m a year would build 1,600 social houses each year. We need 25 times that number.

And the net return on capital investment in social housing approximates to zero.

1,600 more social houses than we have now and over the past 4 years that is 6,400 houses.

[five points]

1,600 more social houses than we have now and over the past 4 years that is 6,400 houses.

But we've already a backlog of possibly 100,000 units and we need at least another 30,000 a year. Your 1,600 per annum is a drop in the ocean.

[Angelo]

1,600 more social houses than we have now and over the past 4 years that is 6,400 houses.

But we've already a backlog of possibly 100,000 units and we need at least another 30,000 a year. Your 6,400 per annum is a drop in the ocean.

It's an example of one avenue, that one avenue alone accounts for 6% of the current housing units needed. It's a prime example of how the current government have failed.

[five points]

1,600 more social houses than we have now and over the past 4 years that is 6,400 houses.

But we've already a backlog of possibly 100,000 units and we need at least another 30,000 a year. Your 6,400 per annum is a drop in the ocean.

It's an example of one avenue, that one avenue alone accounts for 6% of the current housing units needed. It's a prime example of how the current government have failed.

Congrats you've just solved a whole 6% of the problem. 

Meanwhile you've kicked every private sector tenant onto the streets. 

[Angelo]

1,600 more social houses than we have now and over the past 4 years that is 6,400 houses.

But we've already a backlog of possibly 100,000 units and we need at least another 30,000 a year. Your 6,400 per annum is a drop in the ocean.

It's an example of one avenue, that one avenue alone accounts for 6% of the current housing units needed. It's a prime example of how the current government have failed.

Congrats you've just solved a whole 6% of the problem. 

I haven't solved it. I just pointed out how the government has squandered €400m a year into private landlords and exacerbated the housing crisis. That doesn't seem to sit well with you.

[Angelo]

1,600 more social houses than we have now and over the past 4 years that is 6,400 houses.

But we've already a backlog of possibly 100,000 units and we need at least another 30,000 a year. Your 6,400 per annum is a drop in the ocean.

It's an example of one avenue, that one avenue alone accounts for 6% of the current housing units needed. It's a prime example of how the current government have failed.

Congrats you've just solved a whole 6% of the problem. 

Meanwhile you've kicked every private sector tenant onto the streets. 

How do you fathom out every private sector tenant is kicked onto the street?

[Itchy]

Is there another opinion poll due before Saturday?

[GalwayBayBoy]

All out media assault on SF today. Times, Maria Cahill in the Indo, Sean O'Rourke on RTE radio had almost his show devoted to them today.

Not a SF voter but it's quite something to see the establishment go after them this week.

[GJL]

1,600 more social houses than we have now and over the past 4 years that is 6,400 houses.

But we've already a backlog of possibly 100,000 units and we need at least another 30,000 a year. Your 6,400 per annum is a drop in the ocean.

It's an example of one avenue, that one avenue alone accounts for 6% of the current housing units needed. It's a prime example of how the current government have failed.

Congrats you've just solved a whole 6% of the problem. 

Meanwhile you've kicked every private sector tenant onto the streets. 

A bit off topic but where did the figure of €250000 per house come from? I'd of thought with government backing houses should be done for ~ half that amount? No?

[five points]

Official State figures, which should be easy to check on Google. You'll build nothing compliant with  current building regulations for much less and given the state's poor record  on project cost management, the actual cost per unit is likely to be higher.