26 County General Election 2020

Started by Snapchap, January 09, 2020, 06:52:51 PM

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What will be makeup of the next government?

FF/SD/Lab/Green
FG/SD/Lab/Green
FG/FF
FF/Green
FG/Independents
FG/Independents
FG/Green
FF/SF
FF/Green/Independents
FF Minority
FG Minority
FG/SF
FF/Lab/Green
FF/Lab
FF/Lab/Green/Independents

five points

Quote from: yellowcard on February 05, 2020, 12:03:38 PM

Definitely not, I hope she gets justice for her sons brutal murder. She deserves as much and Conor Murphy should have apologised a long time ago.
Fair enough, and thank you.

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However the timing is curious as media will have deliberately resurrected the story on the cusp of an election. Unfortunately for Mary Lou she is the one left fielding the questions when it is the murky past of SF that is responsible for them. There are countless other cases that could have been brought up but if you can't see that the Quinn family are being used as a political football then I'm not going to convince you otherwise.

The cusp of an election is always the time to hold politicians to account. The rest of the time, they can use spin to hide from hard questions, but thankfully that has its limits. A lot of smug FG  TD's will learn this the hard way on Sunday.

macdanger2

Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 05, 2020, 11:28:34 AM
There has been changes in the north over the last number of years with regards to how much of your rental income can be offset against the finance (Mortgage) which has made buy to let much less appealing. In the South can you still offset the full mortgage against the rental income? Surely some changes along those lines will have an impact?   

That was tried in 2009, when only 75% of the mortgage interest was allowed against tax. It backfired as it scared off new investors. A few years later we had a housing shortage which through neglect has morphed into a full blown disaster.

Scared off investors? The rental market continues to spiral out of control. Vulture funds and investors continue to hover up property and profit from that rental market.

Yes, it has scared off investors and the result is a cartel where a small number of conglomerates are hoovering up properties and putting themselves into a position where they can control the market. These groups lobbied for rent controls and hoodwinked idiot "housing charities" to support them.

The problem is that investors are interested in properties as a commodity and to generate wealth from those. there should be legislation that prohibits residential property being acquired by people who aren't going to occupy that residence but that doesn't suit the wealthy and the landlords as they can cream the current rental crisis.

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

macdanger2

With only 42 candidates running, would SF consider it a mistake not to have run more? Or was it impossible to predict a surge like this? PP seems to expect them to get 28 - 29 seats

Angelo

Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 05, 2020, 11:28:34 AM
There has been changes in the north over the last number of years with regards to how much of your rental income can be offset against the finance (Mortgage) which has made buy to let much less appealing. In the South can you still offset the full mortgage against the rental income? Surely some changes along those lines will have an impact?   

That was tried in 2009, when only 75% of the mortgage interest was allowed against tax. It backfired as it scared off new investors. A few years later we had a housing shortage which through neglect has morphed into a full blown disaster.

Scared off investors? The rental market continues to spiral out of control. Vulture funds and investors continue to hover up property and profit from that rental market.

Yes, it has scared off investors and the result is a cartel where a small number of conglomerates are hoovering up properties and putting themselves into a position where they can control the market. These groups lobbied for rent controls and hoodwinked idiot "housing charities" to support them.

The problem is that investors are interested in properties as a commodity and to generate wealth from those. there should be legislation that prohibits residential property being acquired by people who aren't going to occupy that residence but that doesn't suit the wealthy and the landlords as they can cream the current rental crisis.

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.
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five points

Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.

You never answer this question: Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

Please do.

macdanger2

Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 05, 2020, 11:28:34 AM
There has been changes in the north over the last number of years with regards to how much of your rental income can be offset against the finance (Mortgage) which has made buy to let much less appealing. In the South can you still offset the full mortgage against the rental income? Surely some changes along those lines will have an impact?   

That was tried in 2009, when only 75% of the mortgage interest was allowed against tax. It backfired as it scared off new investors. A few years later we had a housing shortage which through neglect has morphed into a full blown disaster.

Scared off investors? The rental market continues to spiral out of control. Vulture funds and investors continue to hover up property and profit from that rental market.

Yes, it has scared off investors and the result is a cartel where a small number of conglomerates are hoovering up properties and putting themselves into a position where they can control the market. These groups lobbied for rent controls and hoodwinked idiot "housing charities" to support them.

The problem is that investors are interested in properties as a commodity and to generate wealth from those. there should be legislation that prohibits residential property being acquired by people who aren't going to occupy that residence but that doesn't suit the wealthy and the landlords as they can cream the current rental crisis.

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.

The reason it's out of control is because supply is way below demand

Baile Brigín 2

Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 05, 2020, 11:28:34 AM
There has been changes in the north over the last number of years with regards to how much of your rental income can be offset against the finance (Mortgage) which has made buy to let much less appealing. In the South can you still offset the full mortgage against the rental income? Surely some changes along those lines will have an impact?   

That was tried in 2009, when only 75% of the mortgage interest was allowed against tax. It backfired as it scared off new investors. A few years later we had a housing shortage which through neglect has morphed into a full blown disaster.

Scared off investors? The rental market continues to spiral out of control. Vulture funds and investors continue to hover up property and profit from that rental market.

Yes, it has scared off investors and the result is a cartel where a small number of conglomerates are hoovering up properties and putting themselves into a position where they can control the market. These groups lobbied for rent controls and hoodwinked idiot "housing charities" to support them.

The problem is that investors are interested in properties as a commodity and to generate wealth from those. there should be legislation that prohibits residential property being acquired by people who aren't going to occupy that residence but that doesn't suit the wealthy and the landlords as they can cream the current rental crisis.

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.

The reason it's out of control is because supply is way below demand
...which is FG policy....

five points

Quote from: Baile Brigín 2 on February 05, 2020, 12:27:02 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:20:12 PM

The reason it's out of control is because supply is way below demand
...which is FG policy....

And also FF policy, SF policy, Labour policy, Socialist Party policy and PB4P policy. What a mess.

Main Street

Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 05, 2020, 11:31:12 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:21:06 AM
Quote from: brokencrossbar1 on February 05, 2020, 11:16:48 AM

The use of the killing of Paul Quinn is opportunistic to say the least. As you say no one iota of concern have people got for poor Briege Quinn nor do they actually know the facts. I need to be careful what I say but in terms of what was said by Murphy all I'll say is that not everything is black and white. The Quinn family are being used and that's the disgusting thing about it all.

Briege Quinn has been blue in the face for years calling for political accountability for the torture and murder of her son.

Yes she has and where have FF and FG been for the last 13 years?  This is a dogs on the street situation but the police cannot convict anyone with that type of evidence. The dogs on the street know what happened and the dogs on the street know why it happened. Not one fcuk was given about her till she became a political weapon. That's the disgusting thing.
The dogs are cetainly in the know around the border areas, they see all, hear all and store away the memories.

But yeah, it's unite the forces, drag up dormant issues and hammer Sinn Fein time. Has Michael Martin ever condemned Bertie Aherne for his proven corrupt practices while holding office as Taoiseach?

The alternative reality presented by Fine Gael supporters is derisive and condescending, 'they have never had it so good', 'the lower incomes have an income and their netflix sub', ' if they are complaining it's because of envy not just cause'.




Angelo

Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.

You never answer this question: Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

Please do.

A lot of universities already provide a lot of their own accommodation.

And I already said it should be the state who should be ramping up their social housing supply, not just for low income workers but it should be available for everyone who has a housing need and they should pay what they can afford to pay.
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Angelo

Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 05, 2020, 11:28:34 AM
There has been changes in the north over the last number of years with regards to how much of your rental income can be offset against the finance (Mortgage) which has made buy to let much less appealing. In the South can you still offset the full mortgage against the rental income? Surely some changes along those lines will have an impact?   

That was tried in 2009, when only 75% of the mortgage interest was allowed against tax. It backfired as it scared off new investors. A few years later we had a housing shortage which through neglect has morphed into a full blown disaster.

Scared off investors? The rental market continues to spiral out of control. Vulture funds and investors continue to hover up property and profit from that rental market.

Yes, it has scared off investors and the result is a cartel where a small number of conglomerates are hoovering up properties and putting themselves into a position where they can control the market. These groups lobbied for rent controls and hoodwinked idiot "housing charities" to support them.

The problem is that investors are interested in properties as a commodity and to generate wealth from those. there should be legislation that prohibits residential property being acquired by people who aren't going to occupy that residence but that doesn't suit the wealthy and the landlords as they can cream the current rental crisis.

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.

The reason it's out of control is because supply is way below demand

The reason its out of control is that wealthy individuals and vulture funds are the only ones with the capital to buy properties.
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five points

Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.

You never answer this question: Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

Please do.

A lot of universities already provide a lot of their own accommodation.

And I already said it should be the state who should be ramping up their social housing supply, not just for low income workers but it should be available for everyone who has a housing need and they should pay what they can afford to pay.

State-supplied social housing for junior doctors and barristers, paid for at €250,000 per unit by bus drivers and binmen.  ::)

Angelo

#582
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:43:04 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:40:24 PM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.

You never answer this question: Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

Please do.

A lot of universities already provide a lot of their own accommodation.

And I already said it should be the state who should be ramping up their social housing supply, not just for low income workers but it should be available for everyone who has a housing need and they should pay what they can afford to pay.

State-supplied social housing for junior doctors and barristers, paid for at €250,000 per unit by bus drivers and binmen.  ::)

State supplied social housing provided for everyone with fair rental based on what you can afford.

Social housing is also a revenue stream once capital investment has been completed.

Or the state putting €400m into the pockets of private landlords annually?
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RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 12:19:42 PM
You never answer this question: Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

I've answered the young people one for you before - but you've conveniently "forgot" it.

If the rental cost is greater than the mortgage cost - then the rationale thing for anyone to do is buy the house.

Of course, that requires a deposit. No chance of a early 20s man or woman having any kind of deposit put together when they are getting absolutely hammered on rental prices.


Students is a different ball game. They are obviously transient and won't want to buy.   It wouldn't be beyond the wit of man to have different rental regulations and laws if the renters in a house are enrolled in a nearby university for a full-time course over that year.
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macdanger2

Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:41:19 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
Quote from: macdanger2 on February 05, 2020, 12:11:07 PM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:54:01 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:49:59 AM
Quote from: Angelo on February 05, 2020, 11:45:18 AM
Quote from: five points on February 05, 2020, 11:43:28 AM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on February 05, 2020, 11:28:34 AM
There has been changes in the north over the last number of years with regards to how much of your rental income can be offset against the finance (Mortgage) which has made buy to let much less appealing. In the South can you still offset the full mortgage against the rental income? Surely some changes along those lines will have an impact?   

That was tried in 2009, when only 75% of the mortgage interest was allowed against tax. It backfired as it scared off new investors. A few years later we had a housing shortage which through neglect has morphed into a full blown disaster.

Scared off investors? The rental market continues to spiral out of control. Vulture funds and investors continue to hover up property and profit from that rental market.

Yes, it has scared off investors and the result is a cartel where a small number of conglomerates are hoovering up properties and putting themselves into a position where they can control the market. These groups lobbied for rent controls and hoodwinked idiot "housing charities" to support them.

The problem is that investors are interested in properties as a commodity and to generate wealth from those. there should be legislation that prohibits residential property being acquired by people who aren't going to occupy that residence but that doesn't suit the wealthy and the landlords as they can cream the current rental crisis.

Who would own the rental properties then? For students and young people to live in?

The problem is simply lack of supply

The problem is an out of control rental market that is pricing people out of a decent standard of life, people cannot afford to buy with the rental market prohibiting them from saving up a deposit.

The state should be investing more heavily in state owned houses.

FF decimated the state's housing supply when they were in power.

The reason it's out of control is because supply is way below demand

The reason its out of control is that wealthy individuals and vulture funds are the only ones with the capital to buy properties.

But who owns the property has no impact on the market rent for that property. When demand outstrips supply, rents rise