Are Dublin any use this year?
Coming in under the radar.
Quote from: thejuice on June 09, 2019, 11:42:42 PM
Are Dublin any use this year?
Havent heard much about them tbh....Think they've a few decent players there...though Id say Meath have this won in the bag...
Ye could bring back Big Joe! He was good at getting ye ''over the line'' in the past in Leinster Finals.
I can already feel my heart overtaking my head with blind optimism and it's only a day after the semi! I'll be betting on us winning Sam by Friday next week at this rate!
What happened yesterday was a disgrace. Yer man fell across
The goal line with the ball and was called back for a penalty.. I've seen them given... ;D
Menton v Fenton should be a good tussle...
Quote from: rrhf on June 10, 2019, 03:51:36 PM
What happened yesterday was a disgrace. Yer man fell across
The goal line with the ball and was called back for a penalty.. I've seen them given... ;D
Menton v Fenton should be a good tussle...
Menton was very impressive yesterday.
Quote from: rrhf on June 10, 2019, 03:51:36 PM
What happened yesterday was a disgrace. Yer man fell across
The goal line with the ball and was called back for a penalty.. I've seen them given... ;D
Menton v Fenton should be a good tussle...
A tussle that rhymes. Two big powerful athletic footballers should be a good tussle alright.
I think in this final Meath will show why they are the 2nd best in Leinster now, can't see them winning but i expect a good competitive contest.
Leinster is like the French football Ligue 1 starring the Dubs as PSG
Meath Laois was pedestrian football. Can't see them losing by less than 12-15.
Quote from: seafoid on June 10, 2019, 05:13:50 PM
Leinster is like the French football Ligue 1 starring the Dubs as PSG
At least soccer teams have to play half their games on opponent's home grounds.
(More mean spiritedness)
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 10, 2019, 06:11:48 PM
Meath Laois was pedestrian football. Can't see them losing by less than 12-15.
They'll need 4 goals to be competitive. Unless they're much better than they showed v Laois.
Even Menton, who scored 2 superb goals, was otherwise well beaten in the midfield battle.
They do have some good footballers and the defenders got stuck in, but need more to bring it all together.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 10, 2019, 06:11:48 PM
Meath Laois was pedestrian football. Can't see them losing by less than 12-15.
They’ll need 4 goals to be competitive. Unless they’re much better than they showed v Laois.
Even Menton, who scored 2 superb goals, was otherwise well beaten in the midfield battle.
They do have some good footballers and the defenders got stuck in, but need more to bring it all together.
What in your view is competitive? to me to get within 5 to 8 points of Dublin.
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Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 10, 2019, 06:11:48 PM
Meath Laois was pedestrian football. Can't see them losing by less than 12-15.
They'll need 4 goals to be competitive. Unless they're much better than they showed v Laois.
Even Menton, who scored 2 superb goals, was otherwise well beaten in the midfield battle.
They do have some good footballers and the defenders got stuck in, but need more to bring it all together.
What in your view is competitive? to me to get within 5 to 8 points of Dublin.
To have a chance of winning. Not impossible, but unlikely Dublin would win by 5-8 if Meath got 4 goals!
Dunlin by 10 or 12; only if Meath put it up to them for 50 odd mins
If we are to win it will be on a score line like 4-10 to 0-20 or something unusual like that but it would go against all form we've seen to date from both teams.
To be honest if we could have a game as close as we did in 2012 or 2013 I'd be reasonably happy with it but with that must come the expectation that next year we'll be closer again.
Meath fans on Facebook:
"We'll win this because we're massive underdogs just like in 86 and 96."
Quote from: thejuice on June 11, 2019, 09:48:59 AM
If we are to win it will be on a score line like 4-10 to 0-20 or something unusual like that but it would go against all form we've seen to date from both teams.
To be honest if we could have a game as close as we did in 2012 or 2013 I'd be reasonably happy with it but with that must come the expectation that next year we'll be closer again.
That process happened to Galway in the mid 2010s. They got hammered by Mayo in 2013 by 13 points and spent the next while reducing the deficit until they started beating Mayo
But the Dubs are even more of a challenge
Well hopefully we'll improve and Dublin will start regressing a bit. The hunger for success in Dublin will have waned in the coming generations I'd suspect. Happened to us during the 90's.
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If we are to win it will be on a score line like 4-10 to 0-20 or something unusual like that but it would go against all form we've seen to date from both teams.
To be honest if we could have a game as close as we did in 2012 or 2013 I'd be reasonably happy with it but with that must come the expectation that next year we'll be closer again.
That process happened to Galway in the mid 2010s. They got hammered by Mayo in 2013 by 13 points and spent the next while reducing the deficit until they started beating Mayo
But the Dubs are even more of a challenge
The problem for Galway now is the Rossies have caught up as well, while the likes of Mayo, Monaghan, Tyrone and Kerry have fell back to the pack. To be fair Galway (and Ros) have seen Dublin close up in the Championship and they now realise how much of a Monster Dublin are. That is the frightening thing. Munster, Ulster and Connacht teams get to hide behind their provinces and the back door as they won't encounter Dublin there and it's easy to sling mud at the other Leinster counties from a far!
Maybe we should move Dublin to Connacht for a few years. That should revive the Leinster championship for a while.
Or amalgamate Louth, Meath, Kildare and Wicklow as "East Leinster".
Population about 700k should even things up a bit.
Quote from: thejuice on June 21, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
Maybe we should move Dublin to Connacht for a few years. That should revive the Leinster championship for a while.
If the rest of Leinster had any sense they'd push for Dublin to be rotated among the provinces.
However, they'd be scared they'd lose ticket revenues so wouldn't even consider it for a second (even though attendances for other games would actually increase and a Kildare v Meath Leinster final would probably top what we'll get this weekend)
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Quote from: thejuice on June 21, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
Maybe we should move Dublin to Connacht for a few years. That should revive the Leinster championship for a while.
If the rest of Leinster had any sense they'd push for Dublin to be rotated among the provinces.
However, they'd be scared they'd lose ticket revenues so wouldn't even consider it for a second (even though attendances for other games would actually increase and a Kildare v Meath Leinster final would probably top what we'll get this weekend)
Ticket revenue? You mean the 10,000 fans you bring to neutral games? You still haven't played an away game in the Leinster championship since 2006 but only bring pathetic numbers around the province. Throwing a strop because the Leinster council had the temerity to make you leave your slums for the day. Even when you're back in your home ground you're not bothering to go anymore. We literally gave you millions but people like you still claim it's the Dubs doing everyone else a favour.
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Quote from: thejuice on June 21, 2019, 09:48:53 AM
Maybe we should move Dublin to Connacht for a few years. That should revive the Leinster championship for a while.
If the rest of Leinster had any sense they'd push for Dublin to be rotated among the provinces.
However, they'd be scared they'd lose ticket revenues so wouldn't even consider it for a second (even though attendances for other games would actually increase and a Kildare v Meath Leinster final would probably top what we'll get this weekend)
Ticket revenue? You mean the 10,000 fans you bring to neutral games? You still haven't played an away game in the Leinster championship since 2006 but only bring pathetic numbers around the province. Throwing a strop because the Leinster council had the temerity to make you leave your slums for the day. Even when you're back in your home ground you're not bothering to go anymore. We literally gave you millions but people like you still claim it's the Dubs doing everyone else a favour.
you really are a piece of trash
Bitching aside, the truth is the Leinster Council haven't done themselves any favors between helping make the game uncompetitive and increasing ticket prices. I find it laughable when I read that article that said they were worried about the fortunes of Gaelic football in the capital back in the 2000's when in hindsight it was doing fine. But everyone was terrified of rugby taking over back then. Unfortunately it seems they saved Dublin but killed a province at the same time and we'll take Dublin down with us in the long run unless something is changed drastically. It's bizarre leading up to a Leinster final and hardly any excitement among our supporters. So many I know who'd have been there 10 or 15 years ago are doing other things with their weekends now.
Quote from: thejuice on June 21, 2019, 11:55:51 PM
Bitching aside, the truth is the Leinster Council haven't done themselves any favors between helping make the game uncompetitive and increasing ticket prices. I find it laughable when I read that article that said they were worried about the fortunes of Gaelic football in the capital back in the 2000's when in hindsight it was doing fine. But everyone was terrified of rugby taking over back then. Unfortunately it seems they saved Dublin but killed a province at the same time and we'll take Dublin down with us in the long run unless something is changed drastically. It's bizarre leading up to a Leinster final and hardly any excitement among our supporters. So many I know who'd have been there 10 or 15 years ago are doing other things with their weekends now.
Yep, it's a BS final, and nobody is looking forward to it
But it's just wrong to put the blame at the GAA, Leinster Council level re grant money. The games development funds is only a very small part of why Dublin are so good. The GDOs go nowhere near the elite players.
It's population and organization. We've a huge pick, getting bigger every year and the county board and clubs are the best run in the country. Our senior league is miles ahead of everyone else. You have the Top 32 clubs training 4 times a week. Defined calendar, guaranteed games, losing less players than ever before to soccer.
Croke Park suiting our style and playing so many games there, and no travel for training for the Dubs is also a huge advantage.
And we've the best manager in the country.
The gulf in Leinster made all the wider due to the underperforming Meath and Kildare. There's no real reason why they can't be as good as the 2nd and 3rd best teams. They are getting there, but it'll take a while to recover from when things went wrong. And that happened before Dubs even became good, as I remember it used to be said that the Dubs were at a disadvantage not having any close games in Leinster, so they were ill prepared to face the Kerrys, Tyrone's, etc and so took a beating (it was because we weren't good enough at the time, of course)
No shocks so far this weekend, this could be the one.
Worked out well according to McStay when Meath fella got knee into back for that sideline.
At least Meath held the Dubs scoreless for ten minutes...
What's Mannion doing holding his head there?? Get up and get in with it!
20 minutes played Dublin 0-3 Meath 0-0. How long will it take before Meath score I'd wonder?
Quote from: screenexile on June 23, 2019, 04:17:32 PM
What's Mannion doing holding his head there?? Get up and get in with it!
Because he's trying to get the Meath player sent off.
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
How the f**k was that a free out?
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What's Mannion doing holding his head there?? Get up and get in with it!
It was poor from him alright
Meath actually started this game quite well but somehow still haven't scored after 23 minutes.
The first 10 minutes was enjoyable
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
They'll be some roar when Meath score.
30 minutes played Dublin 0-5 Meath 0-0. Could be worse for Meath as a penalty was missed.
ACL injury for James McCarthy?
finally a point for Meath almost 33 minutes.
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Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
5 pts in 32mins, shocking. sorry Meath scored after 33mins.
Some crying Tyrone clowns on here.
Paying the ref too.
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 23, 2019, 04:33:16 PM
5 pts in 32mins, shocking. sorry Meath scored after 33mins.
God it is bad, I wonder how many neutral GAA supporters are at the game .
Back in the day, it was always a game you would nearly always try to go to
Should've been black card for small there
Half time Dublin 0-5 Meath 0-1. One of the strangest halves of football i have seen. Just 1 Meath score but still in the game.
Strange old game.
Ref riding Dublin hard there in added time.
Meath are defending really well and are working very hard but there's no belief there that they can win and Dublin are ripe for the taking.
McCarthy will be doing very well to play any further part this year and he's a massive loss for them. Along with Fenton, Cooper, Kilkenny and McCaffrey he is one of their most important players.
Our shooting is comical. Very nervous and sloppy handling from the forwards. Our build ups are so slow. If Dublin start finishing things off this will be bad
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Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
A dive is a dive. It will be swept under the carpet however, Dublin have had a number of high profile incidents of this in the past where nothing was really said about it - McMahon on A O'Shea and Cooper on McManus.
In the early 90s to late 90,s I always went to the leinster final..outside of Dublin trimming Kildare 1year.it was always fairly good finals. The standard today shocking. Dublin very poor the day too
When Joanne cantwell going. She is literally just hard to listen too.
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
A dive is a dive. It will be swept under the carpet however, Dublin have had a number of high profile incidents of this in the past where nothing was really said about it - McMahon on A O'Shea and Cooper on McManus.
I notice you didnt compare him to Tiernan McCann or could you not decide which comparison to use. Why not let the adults watch the game and stick to something you might know about
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 04:39:11 PM
Should've been black card for small there
Agreed, it was a trip away from the ball, as the Meath man was trying to get free.
Then again, the referee and linesmen are auditioning for a Dublin All-Ireland.
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
A dive is a dive. It will be swept under the carpet however, Dublin have had a number of high profile incidents of this in the past where nothing was really said about it - McMahon on A O'Shea and Cooper on McManus.
I notice you didnt compare him to Tiernan McCann or could you not decide which comparison to use. Why not let the adults watch the game and stick to something you might know about
I could compare it to McCann, McCann got slaughtered, was asked to come out and apologise to the nation before he was hit with a made up ban.
His dive was embarrassing as was Mannion's today.
Would you be by any chance engaging in whataboutery? :o
Mannion is a disgrace and should get a 6 month ban.
Am I doing it right?
Least Mannion as yet hasn't tried to pull any gunmshields out but the day is young yet.
Criminal that those missed Meath frees weren't taken out of the hands.
Christ this is painful to watch, they'd be well in it if they could kick a bloody score
Time maybe Jim got over his little spat with Connolly and reapproach him
A second Meath point after 45 minutes. Game on!
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Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
Not often you'd be saying Meath have no forwards.
Soft free there leading to Dubs 10th point.
Howard and Scully are poor comparison to the men they replaced. Flynn and Connolly
With all due respect to the young lad James Conlon should have gone off ages ago
Dublin player runs over sideline with the ball, free out to Dublin
Meath player blatantly pushed out, sideline ball to Dublin
55 mins played Dublin 0-11 Meath 0-3. 0-6 to 0-2 in this 2nd half for those that are keeping score.
QuoteWith all due respect to the young lad James Conlon should have gone off ages a
Ya too small for this stuff
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Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
Dublin crowd leaving.
I suppose in 5 years time Meath will have both a defensive and offensive game plan mastered to compete with the dubs
Dublin were actually for the taking here today.
The Dubs getting a lot more space in this 2nd half to kick scores.
Wonder will Dublin ever lose a Leinster championship match again?
12 points up and they've not even played particularly well today by their own standards.
QuoteDublin were actually for the taking here today.
Bullshit. For once Spillane is correct. Dubs only flooting about with Meath in 1st half but Jim Gavin will say they have a lot to work on.
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Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
That as bad I seen Dublin since the 8-6 horror show against Donegal bck in 2011.They likely pick the pace up from here on in.Johnny Cooper still injured?
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on June 23, 2019, 05:26:03 PM
That as bad I seen Dublin since the 8-6 horror show against Donegal bck in 2011.They likely pick the pace up from here on in.Johnny Cooper still injured?
Dublin were much worse in the 2016 All Ireland drawn final. Only 0-9 scored both goals were OGs.
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Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So are you saying some dives are more acceptable than other dives?
Did I miss something there or are Dublin getting frees for fouling their own players now?
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Did I miss something there or are Dublin getting frees for fouling their own players now?
He was clearly pushed in the back into his own man.
+1
It was a free!
QuoteDid I miss something there or are Dublin getting frees for fouling their own players now?
:D
Meath are awful.
Even the Hill are cheering a Meath point.
All over. Dublin 1-17 Meath 0-4. A stroll for Dublin in that 2nd half. Meath with the lowest score in a Leinster final since 1983.
Christ I am old enough to remember when Meath had a good team
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Cluxton will have the flu tomorrow after that
Most on here are looking at this the wrong way! It's not that Meath are awful. It's a case of a Professional outfit has come against an almost Amateur team.
Delighted to see Dublin win and hammer their opponents. It's the only way to sort this mess out. I hope they go on to win the AI as well.
The Leinster final will have a lower attendance next year.
A travesty of a contest, ah sure, 'tis grand.
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Most on here are looking at this the wrong way! It's not that Meath are awful. It's a case of a Professional outfit has come against an almost Amateur team.
Delighted to see Dublin win and hammer their opponents. It's the only way to sort this mess out. I hope they go on to win the AI as well.
The Leinster final will have a lower attendance next year.
They were awful especially in that 2nd half. Dublin didn't even have to play that well to hammer Meath.
I'm surprised anyone bothers going to Dublin matches any more.
Congrats to the people of Dublin, another Leinster title.
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Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
As a Dub, that was one of the most depressing sporting spectacles I have ever witnessed
A silent, half-empty Croke Park, a dank wet day, and the most pathetic forward performance I've ever seen at this level
July 6th, 1991 is a long, long time ago
Quote from: BennyHarp on June 23, 2019, 05:45:37 PM
I'm surprised anyone bothers going to Dublin matches any more.
Did you see the bit on the TV where Cluxton lifted the Cup, the producer shot to the crowd and there in the crowd was a Dublin fan yawning!
Quote from: sid waddell on June 23, 2019, 05:47:08 PM
As a Dub, that was one of the most depressing sporting spectacles I have ever witnessed
A silent, half-empty Croke Park, a dank wet day, and the most pathetic forward performance I've ever seen at this level
July 6th, 1991 is a long, long time ago
Ah, don't be sad ye have won 9 in a row! Go out on the town and celebrate. This is all from your superior voluntary coaching. It's a day to be proud of!
Professionals v amateurs. Super 8 will be more of the same.
National problem.
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
The only thing competitive in this years championship will be for places on the Dublin starting 15.
The is probably the smallest crowd of people in Croker at the end of the final to see a Dublin Captain lift the Delaney Cup?
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Where are the GAA going to get the money to fund their golden child?
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Professionals v amateurs. Super 8 will be more of the same.
National problem.
When I watched the 'CEO' of Dublin GAA interviewed today, it said a lot ... Professionals v Amateurs as you've rightly said. Going to have to start a Dublin handicap system to give teams a chance.
Colm Parkinson's idea of the Dubs versus the spread has a lot of merit in terms of where the suspense and tension lies in Dublin matches.
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2019, 05:58:50 PM
Colm Parkinson's idea of the Dubs versus the spread has a lot of merit in terms of where the suspense and tension lies in Dublin matches.
Hahaha. I was thinking about that in the second half
Meath got a harsh lesson. Dublin on a different planet to the rest.
9 in a row Leinsters and counting.
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
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He dived, he went down holding his face when his face wasn't even touched. He tried to get his opponent sent off by making it look like they did something worse than they did. Those are all the parallels of the McCann incident, the motive, the deception, the action - it's cheating but the hypocrisy and double standards around it seem to be dictated by the team the player plays for.
Now, I'll ask again - are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Awful
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As a Dub, that was one of the most depressing sporting spectacles I have ever witnessed
A silent, half-empty Croke Park, a dank wet day, and the most pathetic forward performance I've ever seen at this level
July 6th, 1991 is a long, long time ago
Ah, don't be sad ye have won 9 in a row! Go out on the town and celebrate. This is all from your superior voluntary coaching. It's a day to be proud of!
I find it interesting that you blame Dublin rather than their opposition
Meath is a county with 200,000 people, a great football tradition and they are well located economically
They have effectively given up the ghost in terms of competing
This is not Dublin's fault
Dublin weren't even much good today
Donegal will cause them serious bother
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
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He dived, he went down holding his face when his face wasn't even touched. He tried to get his opponent sent off by making it look like they did something worse than they did. Those are all the parallels of the McCann incident, the motive, the deception, the action - it's cheating but the hypocrisy and double standards around it seem to be dictated by the team the player plays for.
Now, I'll ask again - are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
And I will answer again, he didn't dive. The Meath lad grabbed him by the collar of his shirt push him back and shoved him to the ground. That's not a dive is it?
We haven't given up the ghost by any means. These players and the management have burst a gut this year to get into division 1, to get into a Leinster final and to reach the super 8's. There's been big overhaul of our underage structure recently. It's quite the opposite actually the problem is we started far too late because we were a successful county whose county boards didn't see the chasm opening up ahead of them in the late 90's.
The fact of the matter is I honestly don't think any team in Leinster can close that gap if Dublin stay at the level they are at, with all the best will in the world it's never going to happen. The resources in terms of playing numbers, financial support, top level facilities and probably a whole lot of other factors. Unless football in Dublin dies from sheer boredom that gap won't be closed. That applies to a lot of the other counties. Kerry and Donegal aren't going to challenge Dublin either.
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
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He dived, he went down holding his face when his face wasn't even touched. He tried to get his opponent sent off by making it look like they did something worse than they did. Those are all the parallels of the McCann incident, the motive, the deception, the action - it's cheating but the hypocrisy and double standards around it seem to be dictated by the team the player plays for.
Now, I'll ask again - are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
And I will answer again, he didn't dive. The Meath lad grabbed him by the collar of his shirt push him back and shoved him to the ground. That's not a dive is it?
He didn't dive?
I'll disagree with that and I don't believe youwhen you say he didn't dive so I'll put it this way to you:
Was it simulation? Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception? Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulations?
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We haven't given up the ghost by any means. These players and the management have burst a gut this year to get into division 1, to get into a Leinster final and to reach the super 8's. There's been big overhaul of our underage structure recently. It's quite the opposite actually the problem is we started far too late because we were a successful county whose county boards didn't see the chasm opening up ahead of them in the late 90's.
The fact of the matter is I honestly don't think any team in Leinster can close that gap if Dublin stay at the level they are at, with all the best will in the world it's never going to happen. The resources in terms of playing numbers, financial support, top level facilities and probably a whole lot of other factors. Unless football in Dublin dies from sheer boredom that gap won't be closed. That applies to a lot of the other counties. Kerry and Donegal aren't going to challenge Dublin either.
Donegal and Mayo have smaller populations and much worse economic conditions than Meath and they've been challenging and beating Dublin this decade.
Top level sport is a brutal business.
Counties might think their teams are putting in a big effort, but that effort has to be spread between the team, the management, administrators, paid coaches and volunteers.
To be fair, it does take years to bear fruit, even Dublin found that, but the reality is that counties with smaller populations and less favourable circumstances than Meath have challenged and beaten Dublin this decade, and counties with populations of 60k have won provincial titles.
You look at yourself first and think what more can be done. In the case of Meath, the answer is: a lot.
There is far too much willingness within the GAA, and I'm aiming this in a general sense rather than at any particular county, to blame other people for their woes.
Donegal caught them on the hop. They never challenged them again.
Angel would u f**k off onto some other forum. U literally a plague on here. He was pushed over and went down holding his face. Just made a dick of himself just like u do on here.
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Angel would u f**k off onto some other forum. U literally a plague on here. He was pushed over and went down holding his face. Just made a dick of himself just like u do on here.
So your outrage is fake?
I'm just calling out a few double standards and you're getting very ratty about that being in the spotlight.
If you don't like that darling, well that's just too bad.
Quote from: imtommygunn on June 23, 2019, 07:04:42 PM
Donegal caught them on the hop. They never challenged them again.
Donegal nearly beat Dublin in 2011, they beat them in 2014, Dublin did not beat them easily in 2016, Donegal are back knocking on the door this year playing superb football.
Donegal is probably the worst located county economically in Ireland.
Donegal is doing something very right that other counties aren't doing.
Instead of blaming everything on Dublin, people would better off asking what it is that Donegal are doing right.
Getting bucketloads of money from outside sources?
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
Why are you feeding this troll?? Leave it be. He's really not worth it.
Meath showed no ambition today and were embarrassing. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a line worn into the pitch on the 2 45m lines were Meath spent so much time going side to side without ever offering anything going forward
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
Why are you feeding this troll?? Leave it be. He's really not worth it.
Meath showed no ambition today and were embarrassing. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a line worn into the pitch on the 2 45m lines were Meath spent so much time going side to side without ever offering anything going forward
Sweep, sweep.
Your hollow morals have been exposed once again.
Would dublin7 care to come out here and condemn the actions of Paul Mannion today?
It's a bit saddening that a moral champion, such as he, is having to make me come out and coerce this from him when it should be so true to his heart.
Ok Sid give me a list of things we're not currently doing that will close the gap? I'll be sure to pass it on.
Dublin have won 7 all Ireland's this decade and unbeaten in how many years now? Those slip ups from about 5 years ago are blips on an ever upward turning curve.
And I don't see who I blamed for anything in my last post for anything than our own county board.
Quote from: Rossfan on June 23, 2019, 07:18:32 PM
Getting bucketloads of money from outside sources?
Yep, along with a couple of other counties. GAA need to centrally control all county teams spending. All teams prepared within a similar budget.
If I pay for a weekend away for the Ros panel in some hotel/training centre how will the GAA control that.
Like they do Manager's "expenses"???
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 07:28:11 PM
Ok Sid give me a list of things we're not currently doing that will close the gap? I'll be sure to pass it on.
Dublin have won 7 all Ireland's this decade and unbeaten in how many years now? Those slip ups from about 5 years ago are blips on an ever upward turning curve.
And I don't see who I blamed for anything in my last post for anything than our own county board.
I don't come from or live in Meath, so I'm not familiar with what's going on there.
But here's the reality:
The standard of coaching that Meath team is receiving is not good enough.
The players aren't fit enough or quick enough or strong enough.
That isn't the case with Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan or Roscommon, and Meath has big advantages over all those counties in terms of location and population.
So, clearly, those counties have been and are doing things right that Meath are not doing and haven't been doing for nearly two decades now.
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
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He dived, he went down holding his face when his face wasn't even touched. He tried to get his opponent sent off by making it look like they did something worse than they did. Those are all the parallels of the McCann incident, the motive, the deception, the action - it's cheating but the hypocrisy and double standards around it seem to be dictated by the team the player plays for.
Now, I'll ask again - are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
And I will answer again, he didn't dive. The Meath lad grabbed him by the collar of his shirt push him back and shoved him to the ground. That's not a dive is it?
He didn't dive?
I'll disagree with that and I don't believe youwhen you say he didn't dive so I'll put it this way to you:
Was it simulation? Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception? Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulations?
I've already condemned him earlier in the thread. What he done was wrong. However, he didn't dive, he was actually pushed to the ground unlike McCann.
There was a Meath man threw himself to the ground after a wee push in his chest. Are you going to bring him up or does the players you highlight depend on whether they wear a Dublin jersey or not? I'm not a Dub by the way in case you are wondering. I don't like diving and I don't like holding your face when you do actually get a shove
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
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He dived, he went down holding his face when his face wasn't even touched. He tried to get his opponent sent off by making it look like they did something worse than they did. Those are all the parallels of the McCann incident, the motive, the deception, the action - it's cheating but the hypocrisy and double standards around it seem to be dictated by the team the player plays for.
Now, I'll ask again - are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
And I will answer again, he didn't dive. The Meath lad grabbed him by the collar of his shirt push him back and shoved him to the ground. That's not a dive is it?
He didn't dive?
I'll disagree with that and I don't believe youwhen you say he didn't dive so I'll put it this way to you:
Was it simulation? Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception? Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulations?
I've already condemned him earlier in the thread. What he done was wrong. However, he didn't dive, he was actually pushed to the ground unlike McCann.
There was a Meath man threw himself to the ground after a wee push in his chest. Are you going to bring him up or does the players you highlight depend on whether they wear a Dublin jersey or not? I'm not a Dub by the way in case you are wondering. I don't like diving and I don't like holding your face when you do actually get a shove
You didn't answer the questions posed to you. Can you please address them individually?
Also, it was a dive.
So you say there's a lot we're not doing but here's the reality you don't actually know.
Meath have had strength and conditioning coaches since Banty took over. We must be using the wrong ones so.
Dublin's fitness I agree is above ours but honestly it's above everyone else's. Perhaps you can fill us in on the training regime of the Dublin squad so we all know what to aspire to. Dare I suggest you don't actually know that either.
As I already said we started late on improving things in the late 90's but to suggest that this Dublin team are just a slight cut above the rest because we're not putting in the effort is just wrong. I'm not blaming Dublin. You're making the most of your resources and we are trying to get the most of ours but I honestly don't think it will be enough if Dublin stay at the level they're at.
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Mannion is a disgrace and should get a 6 month ban.
Am I doing it right?
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Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
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He dived, he went down holding his face when his face wasn't even touched. He tried to get his opponent sent off by making it look like they did something worse than they did. Those are all the parallels of the McCann incident, the motive, the deception, the action - it's cheating but the hypocrisy and double standards around it seem to be dictated by the team the player plays for.
Now, I'll ask again - are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
And I will answer again, he didn't dive. The Meath lad grabbed him by the collar of his shirt push him back and shoved him to the ground. That's not a dive is it?
He didn't dive?
I'll disagree with that and I don't believe youwhen you say he didn't dive so I'll put it this way to you:
Was it simulation? Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception? Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulations?
I've already condemned him earlier in the thread. What he done was wrong. However, he didn't dive, he was actually pushed to the ground unlike McCann.
There was a Meath man threw himself to the ground after a wee push in his chest. Are you going to bring him up or does the players you highlight depend on whether they wear a Dublin jersey or not? I'm not a Dub by the way in case you are wondering. I don't like diving and I don't like holding your face when you do actually get a shove
You didn't answer the questions posed to you. Can you please address them individually?
Also, it was a dive.
You're some boy. What exactly is a dove to you because being grabbed by the collar, forcibly moved back a few yards before being thrown to the ground certainly isn't
Quote from: sid waddell on June 23, 2019, 07:45:28 PM
That isn't the case with Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan or Roscommon, and Meath has big advantages over all those counties in terms of location and population.
You can remove Monaghan from that list.
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Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 04:21:48 PM
Fairly embarrassing from Mannion there. No doubt it will be sweeped under the carpet like similar incidents with Cooper and McMahon were in the past. If a player from another county was guilty of what Mannion did there......
Tiernan mccann done it and was on public trial. Doubt the same standard will applied to the dubs
Seriously? You're comparing those two incidents
They are directly comparable. In both cases the player wasn't hit in the face and both cases they fell to the floor like diving dirt bags
McCann has his hair ruffled and threw himself to the ground like he was shot. Mannion was actually shoved to the ground and yeah he held his face, but it was nothing like the McCann incident
So going down holding the face dispite there being no actual contact to the face is not comparable? Your embarrassing yourself now. Put your hands up, admit he dived and move on
You're the one embarrassing yourself fella. Now why don't you put your hands up, admit the two incidents are incomparable, and head to your bed
Are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
Mannion didn't dive did he? He was actually push to the ground. He grabbed his face when he wasn't hit on the face but he didn't dive
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He dived, he went down holding his face when his face wasn't even touched. He tried to get his opponent sent off by making it look like they did something worse than they did. Those are all the parallels of the McCann incident, the motive, the deception, the action - it's cheating but the hypocrisy and double standards around it seem to be dictated by the team the player plays for.
Now, I'll ask again - are some dives more acceptable than other dives?
And I will answer again, he didn't dive. The Meath lad grabbed him by the collar of his shirt push him back and shoved him to the ground. That's not a dive is it?
He didn't dive?
I'll disagree with that and I don't believe youwhen you say he didn't dive so I'll put it this way to you:
Was it simulation? Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception? Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulations?
I've already condemned him earlier in the thread. What he done was wrong. However, he didn't dive, he was actually pushed to the ground unlike McCann.
There was a Meath man threw himself to the ground after a wee push in his chest. Are you going to bring him up or does the players you highlight depend on whether they wear a Dublin jersey or not? I'm not a Dub by the way in case you are wondering. I don't like diving and I don't like holding your face when you do actually get a shove
You didn't answer the questions posed to you. Can you please address them individually?
Also, it was a dive.
You're some boy. What exactly is a dove to you because being grabbed by the collar, forcibly moved back a few yards before being thrown to the ground certainly isn't
You haven't addressed the questions posed again.
Do you thinking answering them might compromise you?
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Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 04:39:11 PM
Should've been black card for small there
Agreed, it was a trip away from the ball, as the Meath man was trying to get free.
Then again, the referee and linesmen are auditioning for a Dublin All-Ireland.
Them match officials wont be near all Ireland final. Bit rich mayo complained when their players get away with everything.
How many threads are derailing into "your team are bigger cheats than mine" bullshit?
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2019, 08:13:01 PM
How many threads are derailing into "your team are bigger cheats than mine" bullshit?
It's a bit odd how so some incidents are hushed.
I think it's worthwhile investigating the motives for a wall of silence if just for the sake of balance.
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
So you say there's a lot we're not doing but here's the reality you don't actually know.
Meath have had strength and conditioning coaches since Banty took over. We must be using the wrong ones so.
Dublin's fitness I agree is above ours but honestly it's above everyone else's. Perhaps you can fill us in on the training regime of the Dublin squad so we all know what to aspire to. Dare I suggest you don't actually know that either.
As I already said we started late on improving things in the late 90's but to suggest that this Dublin team are just a slight cut above the rest because we're not putting in the effort is just wrong. I'm not blaming Dublin. You're making the most of your resources and we are trying to get the most of ours but I honestly don't think it will be enough if Dublin stay at the level they're at.
And another thing Sid. In terms of coaching, we have a manager who won a club All Ireland with Ballyboden so he knows a thing or two about the standard in Dublin and what level we need to be at. We have Colm Nally who is regarded as one of the best in the backroom and he has improved us loads. High quality coaches like that don't grow on trees. We're lucky to have them. There's no one else of that calibre in Meath.
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
There is no wall of silence.
Quote from: J70 on June 23, 2019, 08:21:01 PM
There is no wall of silence.
There seems to be.
The outrage seems to be quite muted on this. It's like pulling teeth while in other circumstances, you need barriers to form a queue.
Sweep, sweep.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
2 match ban for Mannion. If Kerry lad done that would never hear end of it.
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
It happened right in front of me and I thought it was poor from Mannion. No need for it especially in a game they were never going to lose. Having said that there is a world of a difference between this kind of carry on and McCann's thuggery
The night before poor Meath got stretched
https://youtu.be/ld3BIs4JT_4
I wonder if these matches will even count in the record books
The Frankenstein years
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
So Dublin beat Meath as I predicted.
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
So you say there's a lot we're not doing but here's the reality you don't actually know.
Meath have had strength and conditioning coaches since Banty took over. We must be using the wrong ones so.
Dublin's fitness I agree is above ours but honestly it's above everyone else's. Perhaps you can fill us in on the training regime of the Dublin squad so we all know what to aspire to. Dare I suggest you don't actually know that either.
As I already said we started late on improving things in the late 90's but to suggest that this Dublin team are just a slight cut above the rest because we're not putting in the effort is just wrong. I'm not blaming Dublin. You're making the most of your resources and we are trying to get the most of ours but I honestly don't think it will be enough if Dublin stay at the level they're at.
And another thing Sid. In terms of coaching, we have a manager who won a club All Ireland with Ballyboden so he knows a thing or two about the standard in Dublin and what level we need to be at. We have Colm Nally who is regarded as one of the best in the backroom and he has improved us loads. High quality coaches like that don't grow on trees. We're lucky to have them. There's no one else of that calibre in Meath.
Club management is a different ball game to inter county
Some have the ability to make the step up, some don't
What did Mannion do?
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Getting bucketloads of money from outside sources?
Yep, along with a couple of other counties. GAA need to centrally control all county teams spending. All teams prepared within a similar budget.
so drag us down to your level?
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:53:43 PM
What did Mannion do?
He fouled a Meath lad who stupidly grabbed him by the collar, ran him back a few yards and threw him down. Mannion went down clutching his face despite not being touched in the face. Apparently it was as bad as what McCann done against Monaghan a few years ago and if you don't agree you're part of a conspiracy
Quote from: sid waddell on June 23, 2019, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
So you say there's a lot we're not doing but here's the reality you don't actually know.
Meath have had strength and conditioning coaches since Banty took over. We must be using the wrong ones so.
Dublin's fitness I agree is above ours but honestly it's above everyone else's. Perhaps you can fill us in on the training regime of the Dublin squad so we all know what to aspire to. Dare I suggest you don't actually know that either.
As I already said we started late on improving things in the late 90's but to suggest that this Dublin team are just a slight cut above the rest because we're not putting in the effort is just wrong. I'm not blaming Dublin. You're making the most of your resources and we are trying to get the most of ours but I honestly don't think it will be enough if Dublin stay at the level they're at.
And another thing Sid. In terms of coaching, we have a manager who won a club All Ireland with Ballyboden so he knows a thing or two about the standard in Dublin and what level we need to be at. We have Colm Nally who is regarded as one of the best in the backroom and he has improved us loads. High quality coaches like that don't grow on trees. We're lucky to have them. There's no one else of that calibre in Meath.
Club management is a different ball game to inter county
Some have the ability to make the step up, some don't
Obviously, that doesn't back up anything you've said. Management skills have to come from somewhere. Knowing what it takes to be a fitter stronger and faster than the Dublin team has to come from someone with experience of it. Again, I don't see how we're going to close that gap. There isn't a better coaching or management option in Meath right now than what we have. We're fitter than we've ever been yet somehow we're still 16 points worse than plucky little Dublin.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
Was that the Meath no 10 in the first half? It happened on the Dublin 45 yard line and the only replay available was from the Hill end. Impossible to make it out from the camera angle but cheating is cheating.
Now, can you finally address the questions posed or are you afraid the answers might compromise you?
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 09:22:40 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 23, 2019, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
So you say there's a lot we're not doing but here's the reality you don't actually know.
Meath have had strength and conditioning coaches since Banty took over. We must be using the wrong ones so.
Dublin's fitness I agree is above ours but honestly it's above everyone else's. Perhaps you can fill us in on the training regime of the Dublin squad so we all know what to aspire to. Dare I suggest you don't actually know that either.
As I already said we started late on improving things in the late 90's but to suggest that this Dublin team are just a slight cut above the rest because we're not putting in the effort is just wrong. I'm not blaming Dublin. You're making the most of your resources and we are trying to get the most of ours but I honestly don't think it will be enough if Dublin stay at the level they're at.
And another thing Sid. In terms of coaching, we have a manager who won a club All Ireland with Ballyboden so he knows a thing or two about the standard in Dublin and what level we need to be at. We have Colm Nally who is regarded as one of the best in the backroom and he has improved us loads. High quality coaches like that don't grow on trees. We're lucky to have them. There's no one else of that calibre in Meath.
Club management is a different ball game to inter county
Some have the ability to make the step up, some don't
Obviously, that doesn't back up anything you've said. Management skills have to come from somewhere. Knowing what it takes to be a fitter stronger and faster than the Dublin team has to come from someone with experience of it. Again, I don't see how we're going to close that gap. There isn't a better coaching or management option in Meath right now than what we have. We're fitter than we've ever been yet somehow we're still 16 points worse than plucky little Dublin.
Shame you didn't have your shooting boots with you today. First half and start of second half especially. Result wouldn't have changed but score line would have been a lot kinder
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 09:02:43 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:53:43 PM
What did Mannion do?
He fouled a Meath lad who stupidly grabbed him by the collar, ran him back a few yards and threw him down. Mannion went down clutching his face despite not being touched in the face. Apparently it was as bad as what McCann done against Monaghan a few years ago and if you don't agree you're part of a conspiracy
Oh aye I think I seen that.
He did shove him by the throat though. Dangerous that is. I still maintain contact with head or neck should be red.
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:53:43 PM
What did Mannion do?
He got shoved in the chest and fell to the ground making out he had been struck in the face. He stayed down for about 2 minutes receiving treatment after. It was all hushed up though, I'm surprised the moralists here have lost their voice. Some forms of cheating are just more acceptable than others I guess.
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
Was that the Meath no 10 in the first half? It happened on the Dublin 45 yard line and the only replay available was from the Hill end. Impossible to make it out from the camera angle but cheating is cheating.
Now, can you finally address the questions posed or are you afraid the answers might compromise you?
Dunno what his number was. And I've already answered your questions. Mannion was wrong. Cheating is wrong and I hate it when my own players do it. What McCann done was a lot worse than Mannion today. But I'm gonna play your game. How exactly would I be compromised
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:53:43 PM
What did Mannion do?
He got shoved in the chest and fell to the ground making out he had been struck in the face. He stayed down for about 2 minutes receiving treatment after. It was all hushed up though, I'm surprised the moralists here have lost their voice. Some forms of cheating are just more acceptable than others I guess.
You left out the part where his collar was grabbed and head forced back. You also left out the part where a Meath man tried to pull him up off the ground
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 09:22:40 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 23, 2019, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
So you say there's a lot we're not doing but here's the reality you don't actually know.
Meath have had strength and conditioning coaches since Banty took over. We must be using the wrong ones so.
Dublin's fitness I agree is above ours but honestly it's above everyone else's. Perhaps you can fill us in on the training regime of the Dublin squad so we all know what to aspire to. Dare I suggest you don't actually know that either.
As I already said we started late on improving things in the late 90's but to suggest that this Dublin team are just a slight cut above the rest because we're not putting in the effort is just wrong. I'm not blaming Dublin. You're making the most of your resources and we are trying to get the most of ours but I honestly don't think it will be enough if Dublin stay at the level they're at.
And another thing Sid. In terms of coaching, we have a manager who won a club All Ireland with Ballyboden so he knows a thing or two about the standard in Dublin and what level we need to be at. We have Colm Nally who is regarded as one of the best in the backroom and he has improved us loads. High quality coaches like that don't grow on trees. We're lucky to have them. There's no one else of that calibre in Meath.
Club management is a different ball game to inter county
Some have the ability to make the step up, some don't
Obviously, that doesn't back up anything you've said. Management skills have to come from somewhere. Knowing what it takes to be a fitter stronger and faster than the Dublin team has to come from someone with experience of it. Again, I don't see how we're going to close that gap. There isn't a better coaching or management option in Meath right now than what we have. We're fitter than we've ever been yet somehow we're still 16 points worse than plucky little Dublin.
Shame you didn't have your shooting boots with you today. First half and start of second half especially. Result wouldn't have changed but score line would have been a lot kinder
Yes. Shooting was very poor but it was a new experience for some of these lads to be playing against that level of defense unlike Carlow, Laois or Louth or even Donegal for that matter. I can understand how Andy showed faith in James Conlon but he looks too fresh for this level still. He's got great potential but needs a bit more experience and build up a bit.
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 09:28:44 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: BennyCake on June 23, 2019, 08:53:43 PM
What did Mannion do?
He got shoved in the chest and fell to the ground making out he had been struck in the face. He stayed down for about 2 minutes receiving treatment after. It was all hushed up though, I'm surprised the moralists here have lost their voice. Some forms of cheating are just more acceptable than others I guess.
You left out the part where his collar was grabbed and head forced back. You also left out the part where a Meath man tried to pull him up off the ground
That should be a red card also.
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 09:39:43 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 09:25:51 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 09:22:40 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 23, 2019, 08:47:05 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 08:19:24 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 07:58:56 PM
So you say there's a lot we're not doing but here's the reality you don't actually know.
Meath have had strength and conditioning coaches since Banty took over. We must be using the wrong ones so.
Dublin's fitness I agree is above ours but honestly it's above everyone else's. Perhaps you can fill us in on the training regime of the Dublin squad so we all know what to aspire to. Dare I suggest you don't actually know that either.
As I already said we started late on improving things in the late 90's but to suggest that this Dublin team are just a slight cut above the rest because we're not putting in the effort is just wrong. I'm not blaming Dublin. You're making the most of your resources and we are trying to get the most of ours but I honestly don't think it will be enough if Dublin stay at the level they're at.
And another thing Sid. In terms of coaching, we have a manager who won a club All Ireland with Ballyboden so he knows a thing or two about the standard in Dublin and what level we need to be at. We have Colm Nally who is regarded as one of the best in the backroom and he has improved us loads. High quality coaches like that don't grow on trees. We're lucky to have them. There's no one else of that calibre in Meath.
Club management is a different ball game to inter county
Some have the ability to make the step up, some don't
Obviously, that doesn't back up anything you've said. Management skills have to come from somewhere. Knowing what it takes to be a fitter stronger and faster than the Dublin team has to come from someone with experience of it. Again, I don't see how we're going to close that gap. There isn't a better coaching or management option in Meath right now than what we have. We're fitter than we've ever been yet somehow we're still 16 points worse than plucky little Dublin.
Shame you didn't have your shooting boots with you today. First half and start of second half especially. Result wouldn't have changed but score line would have been a lot kinder
Yes. Shooting was very poor but it was a new experience for some of these lads to be playing against that level of defense unlike Carlow, Laois or Louth or even Donegal for that matter. I can understand how Andy showed faith in James Conlon but he looks too fresh for this level still. He's got great potential but needs a bit more experience and build up a bit.
Hopefully they learn from it but you would fear losing in that manner could set them back a bit
Hopefully not. We're not the first team to take a hammering from Dublin. No one should be surprised by today and it's not like there wasn't any promising individual performances. Our defensive play was good in places. We can still get back into the mix in the championship if we choose to keep our heads up. We can beat any other team in the draw if we play to the best of our abilities. There's no one else in the draw even close to Dublin's level.
The Louth curse of 2010 is slowly being lifted.
Quote from: thejuice on June 23, 2019, 10:13:00 PM
Hopefully not. We're not the first team to take a hammering from Dublin. No one should be surprised by today and it's not like there wasn't any promising individual performances. Our defensive play was good in places. We can still get back into the mix in the championship if we choose to keep our heads up. We can beat any other team in the draw if we play to the best of our abilities. There's no one else in the draw even close to Dublin's level.
That's true but based on today, if we get through round 3, Meath would be the team I would fancy
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
Was that the Meath no 10 in the first half? It happened on the Dublin 45 yard line and the only replay available was from the Hill end. Impossible to make it out from the camera angle but cheating is cheating.
Now, can you finally address the questions posed or are you afraid the answers might compromise you?
Dunno what his number was. And I've already answered your questions. Mannion was wrong. Cheating is wrong and I hate it when my own players do it. What McCann done was a lot worse than Mannion today. But I'm gonna play your game. How exactly would I be compromised
Can we just have it noted for the record that you have refused to answer the questions at numerous requests?
Mannion did the same thing as McCann did with Darren Hughes. He took a dive and feigned being struck to the face in order to try and get an opponent sent off.
Are you saying some forms of simulation are more acceptable than others?
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 11:03:37 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
Was that the Meath no 10 in the first half? It happened on the Dublin 45 yard line and the only replay available was from the Hill end. Impossible to make it out from the camera angle but cheating is cheating.
Now, can you finally address the questions posed or are you afraid the answers might compromise you?
Dunno what his number was. And I've already answered your questions. Mannion was wrong. Cheating is wrong and I hate it when my own players do it. What McCann done was a lot worse than Mannion today. But I'm gonna play your game. How exactly would I be compromised
Can we just have it noted for the record that you have refused to answer the questions at numerous requests?
Mannion did the same thing as McCann did with Darren Hughes. He took a dive and feigned being struck to the face in order to try and get an opponent sent off.
Are you saying some forms of simulation are more acceptable than others?
You really are an idiot. Can we have that for the record? Speaking of refusing, why are you refusing to see that mannion didn't dive and why are you refusing to say how I would be compromised
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 11:24:10 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 11:03:37 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 09:27:42 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 09:24:58 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:29:41 PM
Quote from: Angelo on June 23, 2019, 08:24:39 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 23, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
Was that the Meath no 10 in the first half? It happened on the Dublin 45 yard line and the only replay available was from the Hill end. Impossible to make it out from the camera angle but cheating is cheating.
Now, can you finally address the questions posed or are you afraid the answers might compromise you?
Dunno what his number was. And I've already answered your questions. Mannion was wrong. Cheating is wrong and I hate it when my own players do it. What McCann done was a lot worse than Mannion today. But I'm gonna play your game. How exactly would I be compromised
Can we just have it noted for the record that you have refused to answer the questions at numerous requests?
Mannion did the same thing as McCann did with Darren Hughes. He took a dive and feigned being struck to the face in order to try and get an opponent sent off.
Are you saying some forms of simulation are more acceptable than others?
You really are an idiot. Can we have that for the record? Speaking of refusing, why are you refusing to see that mannion didn't dive and why are you refusing to say how I would be compromised
Why would I see something that clearly isn't there? Mannion clearly dives, he tries to deceive the referee and have his man red carded but apparently some acts of simulation are more acceptable as others.. You have refused to answer a few straightforward questions and it obviously is motivated by the likelihood of exposing your contradictions.
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Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
Was that the Meath no 10 in the first half? It happened on the Dublin 45 yard line and the only replay available was from the Hill end. Impossible to make it out from the camera angle but cheating is cheating.
Now, can you finally address the questions posed or are you afraid the answers might compromise you?
Dunno what his number was. And I've already answered your questions. Mannion was wrong. Cheating is wrong and I hate it when my own players do it. What McCann done was a lot worse than Mannion today. But I'm gonna play your game. How exactly would I be compromised
Can we just have it noted for the record that you have refused to answer the questions at numerous requests?
Mannion did the same thing as McCann did with Darren Hughes. He took a dive and feigned being struck to the face in order to try and get an opponent sent off.
Are you saying some forms of simulation are more acceptable than others?
You really are an idiot. Can we have that for the record? Speaking of refusing, why are you refusing to see that mannion didn't dive and why are you refusing to say how I would be compromised
Why would I see something that clearly isn't there? Mannion clearly dives, he tries to deceive the referee and have his man red carded but apparently some acts of simulation are more acceptable as others.. You have refused to answer a few straightforward questions and it obviously is motivated by the likelihood of exposing your contradictions.
Except I answered which you are yet to do. And mannion didn't dove. He was grabbed by the collar and thrown to the ground.
It must really be awful to have to keep looking to others to defend your own.
Now, how about answering how I would be compromised
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Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
Was that the Meath no 10 in the first half? It happened on the Dublin 45 yard line and the only replay available was from the Hill end. Impossible to make it out from the camera angle but cheating is cheating.
Now, can you finally address the questions posed or are you afraid the answers might compromise you?
Dunno what his number was. And I've already answered your questions. Mannion was wrong. Cheating is wrong and I hate it when my own players do it. What McCann done was a lot worse than Mannion today. But I'm gonna play your game. How exactly would I be compromised
Can we just have it noted for the record that you have refused to answer the questions at numerous requests?
Mannion did the same thing as McCann did with Darren Hughes. He took a dive and feigned being struck to the face in order to try and get an opponent sent off.
Are you saying some forms of simulation are more acceptable than others?
You really are an idiot. Can we have that for the record? Speaking of refusing, why are you refusing to see that mannion didn't dive and why are you refusing to say how I would be compromised
Why would I see something that clearly isn't there? Mannion clearly dives, he tries to deceive the referee and have his man red carded but apparently some acts of simulation are more acceptable as others.. You have refused to answer a few straightforward questions and it obviously is motivated by the likelihood of exposing your contradictions.
Except I answered which you are yet to do. And mannion didn't dove. He was grabbed by the collar and thrown to the ground.
It must really be awful to have to keep looking to others to defend your own.
Now, how about answering how I would be compromised
Post up where you answered those questions there. I think you're telling a few porkies, now why would one be motivated to tell a few porkies?
You would be compromised by having to answer why some forms of simulation are more acceptable than others, obviously.
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So you say there's a lot we're not doing but here's the reality you don't actually know.
Meath have had strength and conditioning coaches since Banty took over. We must be using the wrong ones so.
Dublin's fitness I agree is above ours but honestly it's above everyone else's. Perhaps you can fill us in on the training regime of the Dublin squad so we all know what to aspire to. Dare I suggest you don't actually know that either.
As I already said we started late on improving things in the late 90's but to suggest that this Dublin team are just a slight cut above the rest because we're not putting in the effort is just wrong. I'm not blaming Dublin. You're making the most of your resources and we are trying to get the most of ours but I honestly don't think it will be enough if Dublin stay at the level they're at.
And another thing Sid. In terms of coaching, we have a manager who won a club All Ireland with Ballyboden so he knows a thing or two about the standard in Dublin and what level we need to be at. We have Colm Nally who is regarded as one of the best in the backroom and he has improved us loads. High quality coaches like that don't grow on trees. We're lucky to have them. There's no one else of that calibre in Meath.
Club management is a different ball game to inter county
Some have the ability to make the step up, some don't
Obviously, that doesn't back up anything you've said. Management skills have to come from somewhere. Knowing what it takes to be a fitter stronger and faster than the Dublin team has to come from someone with experience of it. Again, I don't see how we're going to close that gap. There isn't a better coaching or management option in Meath right now than what we have. We're fitter than we've ever been yet somehow we're still 16 points worse than plucky little Dublin.
Shame you didn't have your shooting boots with you today. First half and start of second half especially. Result wouldn't have changed but score line would have been a lot kinder
Yes. Shooting was very poor but it was a new experience for some of these lads to be playing against that level of defense unlike Carlow, Laois or Louth or even Donegal for that matter. I can understand how Andy showed faith in James Conlon but he looks too fresh for this level still. He's got great potential but needs a bit more experience and build up a bit.
Conlon won the first two balls that were kicked into him. Both low balls that he got ahead of the marker for. After that the standard of ball that went into him was very poor. And he was so isolated.
Meath had some really strong performers in the first half, but obviously shooting was poor and shot selection was really poor. I really don't know what position Mickey Newman was supposed to be playing in the first half, but he just wasn't in it. For the marquee forward I thought he was disappointing. Even the great point he got in the second half, after a lovely run, was a pisspoor attempt at a goal. About 8 points in it at the time, 1 on 1 with the keeper, a goal was the only option.
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Angela, you're a right moron aren't ye. Compromise me? How would that be?
You haven't addressed the following questions individually.
Was it simulation?
Did he try to get his opponent sent off by means of deception?
Do you believe Mannion did nothing wrong?
Are some acts of simulation more acceptable than other acts of simulation?
And you haven't answered the questions regarding the Meath man throwing himself to the ground and if you only highlight incidents which involved Dublin players. Some balance there
Was that the Meath no 10 in the first half? It happened on the Dublin 45 yard line and the only replay available was from the Hill end. Impossible to make it out from the camera angle but cheating is cheating.
Now, can you finally address the questions posed or are you afraid the answers might compromise you?
Dunno what his number was. And I've already answered your questions. Mannion was wrong. Cheating is wrong and I hate it when my own players do it. What McCann done was a lot worse than Mannion today. But I'm gonna play your game. How exactly would I be compromised
Can we just have it noted for the record that you have refused to answer the questions at numerous requests?
Mannion did the same thing as McCann did with Darren Hughes. He took a dive and feigned being struck to the face in order to try and get an opponent sent off.
Are you saying some forms of simulation are more acceptable than others?
You really are an idiot. Can we have that for the record? Speaking of refusing, why are you refusing to see that mannion didn't dive and why are you refusing to say how I would be compromised
Why would I see something that clearly isn't there? Mannion clearly dives, he tries to deceive the referee and have his man red carded but apparently some acts of simulation are more acceptable as others.. You have refused to answer a few straightforward questions and it obviously is motivated by the likelihood of exposing your contradictions.
Except I answered which you are yet to do. And mannion didn't dove. He was grabbed by the collar and thrown to the ground.
It must really be awful to have to keep looking to others to defend your own.
Now, how about answering how I would be compromised
Post up where you answered those questions there. I think you're telling a few porkies, now why would one be motivated to tell a few porkies?
You would be compromised by having to answer why some forms of simulation are more acceptable than others, obviously.
Go look for yourself. You're a moron mate and again it must be awful having to keep covering up your own teams poor acts by constantly looking at others.
Well done the Dubs yesterday. Another clinical performance. We're running out of superlatives to describe the feats of this incredible group of players. It's a pity about the begrudgers.
The attendance was good when compared to the other provincial finals and taking into account the terrible weather and the fact that ninety percent of the crowd were Dublin supporters.
Meath were hard done by on the scoreboard. They had some terrible wides which must have eaten away at their confidence. Hopefully they will progress in the rest of the championship because up to this they've had a good year and it shouldn't end like this.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2019, 08:30:53 AM
Well done the Dubs yesterday. Another clinical performance. We're running out of superlatives to describe the feats of this incredible group of players. It's a pity about the begrudgers.
The attendance was good when compared to the other provincial finals and taking into account the terrible weather and the fact that ninety percent of the crowd were Dublin supporters.
Meath were hard done by on the scoreboard. They had some terrible wides which must have eaten away at their confidence. Hopefully they will progress in the rest of the championship because up to this they've had a good year and it shouldn't end like this.
Well done Dublin. Once again we see how good volunteer coaching can make all the difference. Take note Mayo, Tyrone, Kildare and Meath. Yesterday was all about the volunteer coach and what can be achieved if you work harder. It is now up to the chasing bunch to up their game. Well done again Dublin. 10 in a row beckons.
Shameful that more Meath people had better things to do than paying €40 to go see this mighty Dublin team. Shame!
Attendances are way down on the late 90s
The GAA killed its golden goose
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/as-officials-waffle-on-the-leinster-championship-burns-to-the-ground-1.3935149
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/dark-night-for-meath-folk-who-remember-the-glory-days-1.3935127
"The sight of a once vicious rivalry surviving on life support is the GAA's primetime product on the third weekend of June in 2019."
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2019, 08:30:53 AM
Well done the Dubs yesterday. Another clinical performance. We're running out of superlatives to describe the feats of this incredible group of players. It's a pity about the begrudgers.
The attendance was good when compared to the other provincial finals and taking into account the terrible weather and the fact that ninety percent of the crowd were Dublin supporters.
Meath were hard done by on the scoreboard. They had some terrible wides which must have eaten away at their confidence. Hopefully they will progress in the rest of the championship because up to this they've had a good year and it shouldn't end like this.
Ulster final was a sell out over a week ago.
Clones capacity is reduced this year.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 09:35:48 AM
Attendances are way down on the late 90s
The GAA killed its golden goose
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/as-officials-waffle-on-the-leinster-championship-burns-to-the-ground-1.3935149
That Bolger is a real "Comical Ali" altogether.
Was it him that came out with the "mean spirited" comment about Donegal's Motion?
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
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Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
I'm not old enough to remember the 70s but i do recall Mayo 89 and Roscommon 91 who were tough competitive teams and were not easy to beat.
1979, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988,1989 1991.
Weren't "cannon fodder" in those years anyway.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2019, 09:14:36 AM
Well done Dublin. Once again we see how good volunteer coaching can make all the difference. Take note Mayo, Tyrone, Kildare and Meath. Yesterday was all about the volunteer coach and what can be achieved if you work harder. It is now up to the chasing bunch to up their game. Well done again Dublin. 10 in a row beckons.
Ah, thats good.
It'd mean you'd have no issues with the GAA immediately stopping the €17m funding put into Dublin every year and spreading it out around the rest of the country.
Dublin are a great team, even when they don't even play well for 35 minutes they end up trashing the 2nd best team in their province and only concede 4 points. Having watched the Ulster final I believe the only team with the strength, skill and athleticism to possibly give them a game now is Donegal.
For Meath, while we all know the odds are stacked with the financial doping of Dublin, that does not explain why a county like Meath can only score 4 points. That was a pathetic attempt. I'd expect any team in Leinster to get at least 10 points in a game against Dublin.
Quote from: The Hill is Blue on June 24, 2019, 08:30:53 AM
The attendance was good when compared to the other provincial finals and taking into account the terrible weather and the fact that ninety percent of the crowd were Dublin supporters.
Lets do the maths. 90% of 47,027 attendance was Dubs who have a population 1.3 million. A good attendance? counties with 60 to 150,000 population and are able to bring 15 to 20,000 to games to support their team is what i would regard as a good attendance.
QuoteThat was a pathetic attempt. I'd expect any team in Leinster to get at least 10 points in a game against Dublin.
True - we scored 10 pts last year with 14 men for 75% of the game. Ok we conceded more in that game than Meath but 4pts in a 70 min game really is bottom of barrel stuff. And I don't want to have a pop at Meath cos we're no world beaters but really..........
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Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour
Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said
The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
The complete lack of conviction from the Meath forwards was incredible, they obviously were beaten before a ball was kicked, there was not too much performance wise between the 2 teams for 60 mins, but the inability to score from simple frees or clear shooting chances visibly drained the Meath effort as the game progressed.
A big part of Dublins invincibility is the aura that they cannot be beaten, some Meath players clearly had succumbed to that before a ball was kicked.
As indeed have all the other teams in Leinster who also fail to put up a fight. I did feel sorry for the 10[ish] Meath lads who were up for the battle yesterday.
Well done Dublin, another historical milestone, a great performance in terrible conditions and did it with honour abnd pride in the competion. Meath good in parts except for their shooting and final third play. good tackling and hard hits was done well for the majority of the game. I never get tired of winning and beating our closest neighbour and rival. Hoping for 10 in a row next year.
Stephen Cluxton is third in the most Leinster wins with 15, just behind Meath.
Great attendance of just under 50K. Majority Dublin fans. I would say 80/20. A shockingly bad day with heavey rain.
Biggest concern is the injury to James McCarthy, irreplaceable.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
The 'Troubles' had a huge bearing on teams from the north.
And immigration in the west was a huge problem.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.
And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history ::)
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but sure the winners write the history ::)
or sid is a contrary c**t.
Take yer pick ;D 8)
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Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
The 'Troubles' had a huge bearing on teams from the north.
And immigration in the west was a huge problem.
Ulster teams won All-Irelands in 1991, 1992, 1993 and 1994
The Troubles were still very much going in 1994
Emigration has always been a problem
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.
And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history ::)
Every Connacht and Ulster team that made All-Irelands from at least 1977 to 1989 only made those finals because they had to face an Ulster or Connacht team in the semi-final
The reality is that from the Galway team of the early 1970s which reached three finals until Down in 1991, there was no Connacht or Ulster team worthy of a place in an All-Ireland final
Sure the odd game was competitive
But Connacht and Ulster teams were mainly cannon fodder or beaten comfortably - in that period everybody knew that the All-Ireland would not be going outside of Leinster or Munster, and bar a few years when Offaly were good in the early 80s and when Meath and Cork emerged from 1987 on, they knew it wouldn't be going outside of Kerry or Dublin
In truth, none of Armagh 1977, Roscommon of 1977-1980, Galway of 1983, Tyrone of 1986 or Mayo of 1989 were remotely good enough to win an All-Ireland
None of those teams ever got back to a final
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.
And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history ::)
Every Connacht and Ulster team that made All-Irelands from at least 1977 to 1989 only made those finals because they had to face an Ulster or Connacht team in the semi-final
The reality is that from the Galway team of the early 1970s which reached three finals until Down in 1991, there was no Connacht or Ulster team worthy of a place in an All-Ireland final
Sure the odd game was competitive
But Connacht and Ulster teams were mainly cannon fodder or beaten comfortably - in that period everybody knew that the All-Ireland would not be going outside of Leinster or Munster, and bar a few years when Offaly were good in the early 80s and when Meath and Cork emerged from 1987 on, they knew it wouldn't be going outside of Kerry or Dublin
In truth, none of Armagh 1977, Roscommon of 1977-1980, Galway of 1983, Tyrone of 1986 or Mayo of 1989 were remotely good enough to win an All-Ireland
None of those teams ever got back to a final
Are you taking the piss,
Roscommon had Kerry on the ropes and lost by three points after a point blank save with less than ten minutes to go.
Tyrone were beating Kerry by four or five well into the second half, then missed a penalty and imploded.
As for my beloved Mayo, does the name Anthony Finnerty ring a bell.
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour
Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said
The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011
They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015
In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013
Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years
They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years
Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015
Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles
Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles
So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.
And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history ::)
Every Connacht and Ulster team that made All-Irelands from at least 1977 to 1989 only made those finals because they had to face an Ulster or Connacht team in the semi-final
The reality is that from the Galway team of the early 1970s which reached three finals until Down in 1991, there was no Connacht or Ulster team worthy of a place in an All-Ireland final
Sure the odd game was competitive
But Connacht and Ulster teams were mainly cannon fodder or beaten comfortably - in that period everybody knew that the All-Ireland would not be going outside of Leinster or Munster, and bar a few years when Offaly were good in the early 80s and when Meath and Cork emerged from 1987 on, they knew it wouldn't be going outside of Kerry or Dublin
In truth, none of Armagh 1977, Roscommon of 1977-1980, Galway of 1983, Tyrone of 1986 or Mayo of 1989 were remotely good enough to win an All-Ireland
None of those teams ever got back to a final
Are you taking the piss,
Roscommon had Kerry on the ropes and lost by three points after a point blank save with less than ten minutes to go.
Tyrone were beating Kerry by four or five well into the second half, then missed a penalty and imploded.
As for my beloved Mayo, does the name Anthony Finnerty ring a bell.
He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.
Quote from: joemamas on June 24, 2019, 02:00:22 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 01:51:40 PM
Quote from: Owenmoresider on June 24, 2019, 12:19:37 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Apart from Roscommon coming quite close to toppling Kerry in 1980 and Galway being good enough to win an AI but contriving to lose to 12 men in 1983. And Mayo going close in 89 too. Roscommon and Galway both won leagues in that late 70's/early 80's period too.
And if a few balls had bounced differently Limerick could have won 2/3 Munster titles in the last decade, and Tipp another, but sure the winners write the history ::)
Every Connacht and Ulster team that made All-Irelands from at least 1977 to 1989 only made those finals because they had to face an Ulster or Connacht team in the semi-final
The reality is that from the Galway team of the early 1970s which reached three finals until Down in 1991, there was no Connacht or Ulster team worthy of a place in an All-Ireland final
Sure the odd game was competitive
But Connacht and Ulster teams were mainly cannon fodder or beaten comfortably - in that period everybody knew that the All-Ireland would not be going outside of Leinster or Munster, and bar a few years when Offaly were good in the early 80s and when Meath and Cork emerged from 1987 on, they knew it wouldn't be going outside of Kerry or Dublin
In truth, none of Armagh 1977, Roscommon of 1977-1980, Galway of 1983, Tyrone of 1986 or Mayo of 1989 were remotely good enough to win an All-Ireland
None of those teams ever got back to a final
Are you taking the piss,
Roscommon had Kerry on the ropes and lost by three points after a point blank save with less than ten minutes to go.
Tyrone were beating Kerry by four or five well into the second half, then missed a penalty and imploded.
As for my beloved Mayo, does the name Anthony Finnerty ring a bell.
Roscommon got a goal in the first minute and scored a grand total of six more points in the next 70 minutes
They were out of their depth, even against the poorest of all Kerry All-Ireland performances in the 1975-1986 period
Similar with Tyrone in 1986, they collapsed, and could barely get out of their own half in the last 25 minutes
Mayo were well behind behind Cork in reality in 1989, they only got in any way close on the scoreboard because Cork performed very nervously on the day having lost the two previous finals
If any of those teams were any use, they would have got back to a final - none of them did
These teams only made the final because of the way the draw was structured - similar to Antrim in hurling in 1989
Between no later than 1975 and 1990 inclusive, the top four or five teams in the country were always made up of some combination of Kerry, Dublin, Cork, Meath and Offaly
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM
He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.
I'm not the person taking the piss, see above
People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they
There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly
The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society
The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves
There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry
Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive
A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him
He says that county football is irrelevant
Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it
That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers
They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour
Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said
The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011
They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015
In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013
Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years
They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years
Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015
Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles
Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles
So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented
I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 24, 2019, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour
Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said
The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011
They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015
In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013
Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years
They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years
Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015
Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles
Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles
So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented
I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .
I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen
when money is involved, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM
He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.
I'm not the person taking the piss, see above
People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they
There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly
The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society
The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves
There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry
Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive
A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him
He says that county football is irrelevant
Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it
That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers
They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be
LOL yeah right. Now step away from the keyboard you little warrior.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 24, 2019, 02:36:50 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 24, 2019, 02:34:41 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour
Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said
The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011
They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015
In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013
Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years
They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years
Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015
Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles
Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles
So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented
I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .
I agree with this person, you can also go into other sports, i.e Celtic, Juvnetus, domination does happen when money is involved, but does not last forever, only time tell with the Dubs. . . . .
Probably right with the soccer, bad example, The Dubs are Killkenny of the noughties.
thanks
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM
He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.
I'm not the person taking the piss, see above
People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they
There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly
The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society
The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves
There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry
Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive
A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him
He says that county football is irrelevant
Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it
That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers
They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be
Nice of you to quote an obvious joke but I don't recall you responding to my serious questioning of your assertion that Meath had "given up the ghost" on being competitive. You can't tell me one thing we need to do over and above what Dublin are doing in any specifics other than we need to try harder or something vague like that.
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:55:18 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM
He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.
I'm not the person taking the piss, see above
People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they
There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly
The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society
The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves
There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry
Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive
A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him
He says that county football is irrelevant
Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it
That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers
They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be
Nice of you to quote an obvious joke but I don't recall you responding to my serious questioning of your assertion that Meath had "given up the ghost" on being competitive. You can't tell me one thing we need to do over and above what Dublin are doing in any specifics other than we need to try harder or something vague like that.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Meath underage teams have been dogshit for decades.
Meath club teams are dogshit and are routinely brushed aside in Leinster.
Successive Meath management teams have not been up to the job.
The Meath players were NOT fit enough yesterday.
They don;t even have the excuse of spending money on a stadium, as nothing has been done with Pairc Tailteann for decades.
They have failed to move with the times and are still stuck in the 1990s.
If you want to keep sticking your fingers in your ears, whistling away to yourself and blaming everybody but yourselves, by all means do so.
Meath have nobody else to blame but themselves for the state of their county teams for the last 17 years.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:52:27 PM
LOL yeah right. Now step away from the keyboard you little warrior.
Irony alert, eh ;D
Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't see that the money makes no difference.
They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers. ;D ;D
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 03:09:44 PM
Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:55:18 PM
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Quote from: thejuice on June 24, 2019, 02:02:51 PM
Would any of the other teams object if we start taking anabolic steroids in order to close the gap. Just so we'll have a good game to watch. We can put an asterisks next to our name on the record books if we do win anything. We promise to stop using them once we've closed the gap by other means.
Quote from: Cunny Funt on June 24, 2019, 02:10:40 PM
He's clearly taking the piss and taking too much of his Monday morning/afternoon on wikipedia when he probably should be working or doing something more useful with his time.
I'm not the person taking the piss, see above
People get very rattled by a few facts, don't they
There's a terrible tendency in society now which has been enabled by social media where people just whinge about things and blame others for their woes unthinkingly
The GAA is by far the worst example of it in Irish society
The GAA doesn't just administer Gaelic football and hurling, it also provides an outlet for society's biggest whingers who blame everybody else except themselves
There are certain Gaelic football counties which concentrate on making the most of themselves - Donegal, Mayo, Tyrone, Monaghan, Roscommon and of course Kerry
Most of the rest seem to be much more interested in looking everywhere else except at themselves for reasons as to why they are not competitive
A prominent Kildare sportswriter who drives much of this whinging online has now suggested that the other 10 counties boycott the Leinster championship - and he has a load idiots agreeing with him
He says that county football is irrelevant
Well, if it's irrelevant, why not not just fold up those county teams and be damned with it
That's not coming from me - it's coming from the whingers
They are in this position because that's where they're entirely happy and content to be
Nice of you to quote an obvious joke but I don't recall you responding to my serious questioning of your assertion that Meath had "given up the ghost" on being competitive. You can't tell me one thing we need to do over and above what Dublin are doing in any specifics other than we need to try harder or something vague like that.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating.
Meath underage teams have been dogshit for decades.
Meath club teams are dogshit and are routinely brushed aside in Leinster.
Successive Meath management teams have not been up to the job.
The Meath players were NOT fit enough yesterday.
They don;t even have the excuse of spending money on a stadium, as nothing has been done with Pairc Tailteann for decades.
They have failed to move with the times and are still stuck in the 1990s.
If you want to keep sticking your fingers in your ears, whistling away to yourself and blaming everybody but yourselves, by all means do so.
Meath have nobody else to blame but themselves for the state of their county teams for the last 17 years.
Eh Sid, no one is denying that we'd fallen behind the times. I said as much and we've been desperately trying to claw back lost ground once we came to the realisation that what worked in the past wouldn't do. I didn't blame any other county for that either. But go on keep imagining that I said that.
My original point is that Meath have been taking great strides in recent years to improve things. Restructuring underage competition and development squads, building Dunganny centre of excellence, hiring the best coaches available, employing strength and conditioning coaches, etc etc. We haven't given up the ghost and we've made progress this year and caught up with a lot of other teams and the proof will be in the pudding of next years Division 1 campaign and possibly this years last 8.
However in spite of all that it doesn't seem realistic that we can close the gap with Dublin IF Dublin stay at their current level. But if you have any great insights as to how we close that gap I'm all ears.
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't see that the money makes no difference.
They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers. ;D ;D
If you were to give €10m to Meath co board tomorrow there is no guarantee they would be successful. First thing a county should do if they are serious about football/hurling in the county is put together a long term plan for underage set up in the county and then look for funding. Offaly board had a plan for hurling in the county prepared for them, but they never actually bothered implementing it. Instead they sack the senior team manager in a desperate and ultimately failed short term/quick fix attempt to avoid relegation. Why should they for example receive funding.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 02:03:59 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 11:47:31 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 11:07:52 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 24, 2019, 10:56:46 AM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 10:17:47 AM
No Ulster or Connacht team beat a Leinster or Munster team in the championship from 1973 to 1991.
Winning margins in championship matches between Leinster/Munster teams and Ulster/Connacht teams in that period were, 5, 17, 5, 16, 3, 12, 12, 11, 22, 1, 3, 16, 6, 10, 1, 2, 12, 9, 6 (replay), 8 (replay), 8, 7, 11 (replay), 11, 5, 3, 7, 8.
Out of 31 matches, about 7 or 8 were genuinely competitive.
But sure things were better in the old days, or something.
What on earth did people do without a tiered championship in those days?
Leinster used to be competitive even if Ulster and Connacht couldn't beat the winners
And there was no official funding in the mix
Competition in Leinster was always greatly overstated
Any more than two teams in the reckoning was rare and a historical aberration
Munster has never been competitive
From 1973 to 1991 the best teams in Ulster and Connacht were cannon fodder
Connacht were cannon fodder up to the mid 90s
Dublin are 3 or 4 standard deviations away from business as usual
14 Leinsters out of 15 is monopoly behaviour
Find any other period where they won 14 out of 15
They have 58 in total
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leinster_Senior_Football_Championship
1891, 1892, 1894, 1896, 1897, 1898, 1899, 1901, 1902, 1904, 1906, 1907, 1908, 1920, 1921, 1922, 1923, 1924, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1941, 1942, 1955, 1958, 1959, 1962, 1963, 1965, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
The argument has to be stats based at this stage rather than he said she said
The Dubs have 58 and next 4 have 54 which implies mean is about 50% for the Dubs, not 98%
Kilkenny won 13 Leinster hurling titles in 14 years between 1998 and 2011
They won 11 All-Irelands in 16 seasons between 2000 and 2015
In fact only once in 19 seasons between 1998 and 2016 did Kilkenny either not win Leinster or at least reach the All-Ireland final, that one season was 2013
Wexford were cannon fodder for Kilkenny for years
They no longer are because they decided to decided to something about it, and because Kilkenny have levelled off after their golden years
Crossmaglen won 19 Armagh titles out of 20 between 1996 and 2015
Kerry have won 81 Munster football titles
Kilkenny have 71 Leinster hurling titles
So Dublin's dominance is far from unprecedented
The collapse of competition in the Leinster football championship is unprecedented
So are attendance levels and levels of public interest
What makes the Dubs case different is the funding
https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2019/0622/1056894-gaa-see-dublin-as-blueprint-for-future-not-the-problem/
"GAA executives admit Dublin's unprecedented dominance of Leinster could not have been predicted when they began to invest heavily in the capital, but there are no plans to split the county or pull the plug on their investment.
"We have huge challenges in Dublin. We have developing areas that we have no presence in: there are areas like Cherrywood, Hollystown and Adamstown..The Dublin county board CEO believes people need to stop judging the flow of money in terms of All-Irelands and think about participation rates."
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 24, 2019, 11:59:15 AM
Well done Dublin, another historical milestone, a great performance in terrible conditions and did it with honour abnd pride in the competion. Meath good in parts except for their shooting and final third play. good tackling and hard hits was done well for the majority of the game. I never get tired of winning and beating our closest neighbour and rival. Hoping for 10 in a row next year.
Stephen Cluxton is third in the most Leinster wins with 15, just behind Meath.
Great attendance of just under 50K. Majority Dublin fans. I would say 80/20. A shockingly bad day with heavey rain.
Biggest concern is the injury to James McCarthy, irreplaceable.
Meath were doing quite well before he went off, so not exactly irreplaceable.
Quote from: dublin7 on June 24, 2019, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't see that the money makes no difference.
They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers. ;D ;D
If you were to give €10m to Meath co board tomorrow there is no guarantee they would be successful. First thing a county should do if they are serious about football/hurling in the county is put together a long term plan for underage set up in the county and then look for funding. Offaly board had a plan for hurling in the county prepared for them, but they never actually bothered implementing it. Instead they sack the senior team manager in a desperate and ultimately failed short term/quick fix attempt to avoid relegation. Why should they for example receive funding.
If they put together a long term plan they would be successful. It's not rocket science
Quote from: dublin7 on June 24, 2019, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't see that the money makes no difference.
They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers. ;D ;D
If you were to give €10m to Meath co board tomorrow there is no guarantee they would be successful. First thing a county should do if they are serious about football/hurling in the county is put together a long term plan for underage set up in the county and then look for funding. Offaly board had a plan for hurling in the county prepared for them, but they never actually bothered implementing it. Instead they sack the senior team manager in a desperate and ultimately failed short term/quick fix attempt to avoid relegation. Why should they for example receive funding.
Mayo put together a new underage coaching plan a couple of years ago and have started implementing it. Strange how we haven't got a huge increase in funding for it though?
Dublin are below the level they were at for the last few years. They were well out of the picture in the league - and Jim Gavin didn't throw it at all - and the last two championship performances have been sloppy. There are a load of players getting on in years and not at the same level they were - Mick Fitzsimons, Philly McMahon and Cian O'Sullivan are all well past their best - the Brogans, Flynn and Connolly are gone and the players who have replaced them, good as they are, are not in the same all-time elite class.
When Dublin were in their absolute pomp with those players, between 2013 and 2017, Donegal beat them and Mayo and Kerry pushed them to the absolute limit in some of the greatest matches ever played.
Kerry, Mayo and Donegal are all westerly counties with populations between 130k and 160k with a high rate of emigration and poorly located economically.
Kildare and Meath have significant advantages that those counties do not have, and yet those other counties seriously challenged or beat the best Dublin team of all time.
How did they do that?
And if they did, how is it that people suddenly think this current Dublin team is unchallengable?
Kildare, Meath, Galway, Down, Tyrone, Armagh, Cork - all of those counties have the resources to do what Kerry, Donegal and Mayo have done over the last six or seven years.
Quote from: MayoBuck on June 24, 2019, 03:54:32 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 24, 2019, 11:59:15 AM
Well done Dublin, another historical milestone, a great performance in terrible conditions and did it with honour abnd pride in the competion. Meath good in parts except for their shooting and final third play. good tackling and hard hits was done well for the majority of the game. I never get tired of winning and beating our closest neighbour and rival. Hoping for 10 in a row next year.
Stephen Cluxton is third in the most Leinster wins with 15, just behind Meath.
Great attendance of just under 50K. Majority Dublin fans. I would say 80/20. A shockingly bad day with heavey rain.
Biggest concern is the injury to James McCarthy, irreplaceable.
Meath were doing quite well before he went off, so not exactly irreplaceable.
Thtas true but what i meant was to the Dublin team and the rest of the championship, he is a driving force behind this team.
Quote from: dublin7 on June 24, 2019, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't see that the money makes no difference.
They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers. ;D ;D
If you were to give €10m to Meath co board tomorrow there is no guarantee they would be successful. First thing a county should do if they are serious about football/hurling in the county is put together a long term plan for underage set up in the county and then look for funding. Offaly board had a plan for hurling in the county prepared for them, but they never actually bothered implementing it. Instead they sack the senior team manager in a desperate and ultimately failed short term/quick fix attempt to avoid relegation. Why should they for example receive funding.
I don't think the GAA should be handing out grants to any county board unless they have plans in place. The game is dying a death and the GAA are fully culpable.
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
Dublin are below the level they were at for the last few years. They were well out of the picture in the league - and Jim Gavin didn't throw it at all - and the last two championship performances have been sloppy. There are a load of players getting on in years and not at the same level they were - Mick Fitzsimons, Philly McMahon and Cian O'Sullivan are all well past their best - the Brogans, Flynn and Connolly are gone and the players who have replaced them, good as they are, are not in the same all-time elite class.
When Dublin were in their absolute pomp with those players, between 2013 and 2017, Donegal beat them and Mayo and Kerry pushed them to the absolute limit in some of the greatest matches ever played.
Kerry, Mayo and Donegal are all westerly counties with populations between 130k and 160k with a high rate of emigration and poorly located economically.
Kildare and Meath have significant advantages that those counties do not have, and yet those other counties seriously challenged or beat the best Dublin team of all time.
How did they do that?
And if they did, how is it that people suddenly think this current Dublin team is unchallengable?
Kildare, Meath, Galway, Down, Tyrone, Armagh, Cork - all of those counties have the resources to do what Kerry, Donegal and Mayo have done over the last six or seven years.
But none of these counties have the resources to do what Dublin have done, do they?
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 24, 2019, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't see that the money makes no difference.
They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers. ;D ;D
If you were to give €10m to Meath co board tomorrow there is no guarantee they would be successful. First thing a county should do if they are serious about football/hurling in the county is put together a long term plan for underage set up in the county and then look for funding. Offaly board had a plan for hurling in the county prepared for them, but they never actually bothered implementing it. Instead they sack the senior team manager in a desperate and ultimately failed short term/quick fix attempt to avoid relegation. Why should they for example receive funding.
I don't think the GAA should be handing out grants to any county board unless they have plans in place. The game is dying a death and the GAA are fully culpable.
Always somebody else's fault, isn't it
It's the GAA's fault if they fund counties but county boards misuse the money
It's the GAA's fault if they don't fund incompetent county boards enough
If the GAA schedule fixtures for Croke Park, supporters whinge
It's the GAA "deny teams their day out in Croke Park" supporters whinge as well
It's Gemma O'Doherty-esque
Quote from: HiMucker on June 24, 2019, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
Dublin are below the level they were at for the last few years. They were well out of the picture in the league - and Jim Gavin didn't throw it at all - and the last two championship performances have been sloppy. There are a load of players getting on in years and not at the same level they were - Mick Fitzsimons, Philly McMahon and Cian O'Sullivan are all well past their best - the Brogans, Flynn and Connolly are gone and the players who have replaced them, good as they are, are not in the same all-time elite class.
When Dublin were in their absolute pomp with those players, between 2013 and 2017, Donegal beat them and Mayo and Kerry pushed them to the absolute limit in some of the greatest matches ever played.
Kerry, Mayo and Donegal are all westerly counties with populations between 130k and 160k with a high rate of emigration and poorly located economically.
Kildare and Meath have significant advantages that those counties do not have, and yet those other counties seriously challenged or beat the best Dublin team of all time.
How did they do that?
And if they did, how is it that people suddenly think this current Dublin team is unchallengable?
Kildare, Meath, Galway, Down, Tyrone, Armagh, Cork - all of those counties have the resources to do what Kerry, Donegal and Mayo have done over the last six or seven years.
But none of these counties have the resources to do what Dublin have done, do they?
Dublin is a county of 1.4 million people
Obviously Dublin are going to be better resourced and attract greater sponsorship and funding because it's only major city on the island
That's the nature of representative sport
Inter county football has
never been about equality, it's about county identity
Half the counties in Ireland have never won the All-Ireland football championship - in my lifetime only about 13 counties have
ever had a realistic chance of winning it - and some of those have not done so
Inequality is also the nature of international football, international rugby and international cricket
Presumably everybody here believes Ireland should not compete against Germany, France and Spain as those countries have far bigger resources than Ireland, and that Ireland should instead stick to competing against Georgia and Lithuania etc.
If you want anything resembling a level playing field, amalgamate all the other counties into three or four provincial teams, because that's only way you can achieve any sort of equality
But that would mean 31 county teams ceasing to exist and a championship of five teams
Quote from: HiMucker on June 24, 2019, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
Dublin are below the level they were at for the last few years. They were well out of the picture in the league - and Jim Gavin didn't throw it at all - and the last two championship performances have been sloppy. There are a load of players getting on in years and not at the same level they were - Mick Fitzsimons, Philly McMahon and Cian O'Sullivan are all well past their best - the Brogans, Flynn and Connolly are gone and the players who have replaced them, good as they are, are not in the same all-time elite class.
When Dublin were in their absolute pomp with those players, between 2013 and 2017, Donegal beat them and Mayo and Kerry pushed them to the absolute limit in some of the greatest matches ever played.
Kerry, Mayo and Donegal are all westerly counties with populations between 130k and 160k with a high rate of emigration and poorly located economically.
Kildare and Meath have significant advantages that those counties do not have, and yet those other counties seriously challenged or beat the best Dublin team of all time.
How did they do that?
And if they did, how is it that people suddenly think this current Dublin team is unchallengable?
Kildare, Meath, Galway, Down, Tyrone, Armagh, Cork - all of those counties have the resources to do what Kerry, Donegal and Mayo have done over the last six or seven years.
But none of these counties have the resources to do what Dublin have done, do they?
Indeed, but it's the red herring of the Games Development Funds that throws everyone off the scent. Those funds are about increasing participation, not a single player in the squads that have won all the All Irelands were impacted in the slightest way by those funds.
The "resources" that we do have, and that do benefit the team are playing population, volunteer coaching population and super organisation. Development squads implemented in the last 20 years or so have been super. All coaching done by Volunteers, not by paid GPOs. Whelan said this on RTE on Sunday, but like the 100 times I've said it, most seem to ignore it.
Of course, the lads on the development squads are looked after really well with gear, food, gyms etc, and those funds come from sponsorships. That's a genuine advantage Dublin has and uses to our advantage.
Now we've been remarkably unsuccessful at minor level for all that time, yet we've had a lot of players come through to the senior side regardless. Results almost always pick up at U21 level.
I'd put a big chunk of that down to the high level of club football that lads are dumped into after minor. There's also a school of thought that says that all the development squads at underage are picked based on skill, never based on size. Winning not the priority, developing skillful players is. I honestly don't know if that's true or just an excuse about lack of minor winning teams. But, with the benefit of hindsight, it's difficult to argue against.
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 04:11:42 PM
Quote from: dublin7 on June 24, 2019, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't see that the money makes no difference.
They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers. ;D ;D
If you were to give €10m to Meath co board tomorrow there is no guarantee they would be successful. First thing a county should do if they are serious about football/hurling in the county is put together a long term plan for underage set up in the county and then look for funding. Offaly board had a plan for hurling in the county prepared for them, but they never actually bothered implementing it. Instead they sack the senior team manager in a desperate and ultimately failed short term/quick fix attempt to avoid relegation. Why should they for example receive funding.
I don't think the GAA should be handing out grants to any county board unless they have plans in place. The game is dying a death and the GAA are fully culpable.
Maybe the GAA are no longer fit to run Gaelic Football
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: HiMucker on June 24, 2019, 04:13:46 PM
Quote from: sid waddell on June 24, 2019, 03:57:17 PM
Dublin are below the level they were at for the last few years. They were well out of the picture in the league - and Jim Gavin didn't throw it at all - and the last two championship performances have been sloppy. There are a load of players getting on in years and not at the same level they were - Mick Fitzsimons, Philly McMahon and Cian O'Sullivan are all well past their best - the Brogans, Flynn and Connolly are gone and the players who have replaced them, good as they are, are not in the same all-time elite class.
When Dublin were in their absolute pomp with those players, between 2013 and 2017, Donegal beat them and Mayo and Kerry pushed them to the absolute limit in some of the greatest matches ever played.
Kerry, Mayo and Donegal are all westerly counties with populations between 130k and 160k with a high rate of emigration and poorly located economically.
Kildare and Meath have significant advantages that those counties do not have, and yet those other counties seriously challenged or beat the best Dublin team of all time.
How did they do that?
And if they did, how is it that people suddenly think this current Dublin team is unchallengable?
Kildare, Meath, Galway, Down, Tyrone, Armagh, Cork - all of those counties have the resources to do what Kerry, Donegal and Mayo have done over the last six or seven years.
But none of these counties have the resources to do what Dublin have done, do they?
Dublin is a county of 1.4 million people
Obviously Dublin are going to be better resourced and attract greater sponsorship and funding because it's only major city on the island
That's the nature of representative sport
Inter county football has never been about equality, it's about county identity
Half the counties in Ireland have never won the All-Ireland football championship - in my lifetime only about 13 counties have ever had a realistic chance of winning it - and some of those have not done so
Inequality is also the nature of international football, international rugby and international cricket
Presumably everybody here believes Ireland should not compete against Germany, France and Spain as those countries have far bigger resources than Ireland, and that Ireland should instead stick to competing against Georgia and Lithuania etc.
If you want anything resembling a level playing field, amalgamate all the other counties into three or four provincial teams, because that's only way you can achieve any sort of equality
But that would mean 31 county teams ceasing to exist and a championship of five teams
Sport has to be competitive. It doesn't have to be equal.
Quote from: mup on June 24, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
Its actually hilarious that the Dubs can't see that the money makes no difference.
They actually fully believe it's the magical fairy volunteers. ;D ;D
Sure if it were all about the volunteers and not about the money, they'd have no problem giving the money back would they?
Declan Rowley
@Declan049603271
Suggestion- All teams in Leinster bar Dublin make a pact to withdraw from next year's championship until this ridiculous situation is brought to an end. Why would players make the huge commitment required each year to end up with this humiliation?
Did the Dublin team go to work today or were they all off on some recovery sessions for the day?
I remember back in the days of Whealan and Jayo the whole Dublin team after a championship game used to go out playing golf in Hollystown of a Monday courtesy of Oliver Barry. Struck me back then that they had it handy lifestyle wise.
Money and funding players lifestyles is a huge part of this and yesterday was like professionals against amateurs. The Dublin players can meet up regularly and train 3 to 4 times a day, that also makes a massive difference. The players themselves admit to this where they say they are all close knit and like a big family.
I'd say most of the Dublin panel don't do much in the line of work during the championship campaign and are basically full time Gaelic Footballers. This is the major advantage they have over every other team.
Some lads here are digging into the past and comparing Kerry and Dublins dominance back in the day. It was almost the same thing back then, all the Kerry lads had jobs fixed up for them back then and were earning money off washing machines and ovens and ranges, it was probably the same for the Dubs once they got up and running.
What?! The winners would have been on the rip on a Monday (and beyond) regardless of their county!
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2019, 09:18:14 PM
Did the Dublin team go to work today or were they all off on some recovery sessions for the day?
I remember back in the days of Whealan and Jayo the whole Dublin team after a championship game used to go out playing golf in Hollystown of a Monday courtesy of Oliver Barry. Struck me back then that they had it handy lifestyle wise.
Money and funding players lifestyles is a huge part of this and yesterday was like professionals against amateurs. The Dublin players can meet up regularly and train 3 to 4 times a day, that also makes a massive difference. The players themselves admit to this where they say they are all close knit and like a big family.
I'd say most of the Dublin panel don't do much in the line of work during the championship campaign and are basically full time Gaelic Footballers. This is the major advantage they have over every other team.
Some lads here are digging into the past and comparing Kerry and Dublins dominance back in the day. It was almost the same thing back then, all the Kerry lads had jobs fixed up for them back then and were earning money off washing machines and ovens and ranges, it was probably the same for the Dubs once they got up and running.
None of Dublin team work. Kerry lads are on the beer all day in Killarney. My husband met them on his lunch break earlier.
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2019, 09:18:14 PM
Did the Dublin team go to work today or were they all off on some recovery sessions for the day?
I remember back in the days of Whealan and Jayo the whole Dublin team after a championship game used to go out playing golf in Hollystown of a Monday courtesy of Oliver Barry. Struck me back then that they had it handy lifestyle wise.
Money and funding players lifestyles is a huge part of this and yesterday was like professionals against amateurs. The Dublin players can meet up regularly and train 3 to 4 times a day, that also makes a massive difference. The players themselves admit to this where they say they are all close knit and like a big family.
I'd say most of the Dublin panel don't do much in the line of work during the championship campaign and are basically full time Gaelic Footballers. This is the major advantage they have over every other team.
Some lads here are digging into the past and comparing Kerry and Dublins dominance back in the day. It was almost the same thing back then, all the Kerry lads had jobs fixed up for them back then and were earning money off washing machines and ovens and ranges, it was probably the same for the Dubs once they got up and running.
Bullshit Kerry players in 70s all worked hard. They were the greatest team of all time. This Dublin team is professional. Ridiculous can train 3/4 times a day. Kerry only meet as group on a Tuesday and Thursday and play a v b on weekend
The Dubs train 4 times a day?
Donegal did 3 under mcguinness apparently. You never know how much truth there is in these thing though which I expect you are alluding to...
Quote from: kerryforsam19 on June 24, 2019, 09:28:45 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2019, 09:18:14 PM
Did the Dublin team go to work today or were they all off on some recovery sessions for the day?
I remember back in the days of Whealan and Jayo the whole Dublin team after a championship game used to go out playing golf in Hollystown of a Monday courtesy of Oliver Barry. Struck me back then that they had it handy lifestyle wise.
Money and funding players lifestyles is a huge part of this and yesterday was like professionals against amateurs. The Dublin players can meet up regularly and train 3 to 4 times a day, that also makes a massive difference. The players themselves admit to this where they say they are all close knit and like a big family.
I'd say most of the Dublin panel don't do much in the line of work during the championship campaign and are basically full time Gaelic Footballers. This is the major advantage they have over every other team.
Some lads here are digging into the past and comparing Kerry and Dublins dominance back in the day. It was almost the same thing back then, all the Kerry lads had jobs fixed up for them back then and were earning money off washing machines and ovens and ranges, it was probably the same for the Dubs once they got up and running.
None of Dublin team work. Kerry lads are on the beer all day in Killarney. My husband met them on his lunch break earlier.
none of the Dublin team work? What a load of crap
Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it's become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It's aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it's become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It's aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.
To be fair Dublin players and fans have been the pawns in all of this! Not that they are complaining. Why would they? What annoys most is their total denial that funds have helped them prosper. And there is a must try harder for the rest of us. But don't expect financial help.
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it's become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It's aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.
To be fair Dublin players and fans have been the pawns in all of this! Not that they are complaining. Why would they? What annoys most is their total denial that funds have helped them prosper. And there is a must try harder for the rest of us. But don't expect financial help.
Not at all, Money is a key component but its mutiple factors that contribute to the success of this team and stated above and forever and ever, the grant money recieved, which is peoples main argument, none of the current squad benefited from that money.
Dublin have advantages absolutley, some have always been there, some are new.
Also, Gents, you cant be taking KerryforSam for real, he/she is on the wind up, best ignored.
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 25, 2019, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it's become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It's aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.
To be fair Dublin players and fans have been the pawns in all of this! Not that they are complaining. Why would they? What annoys most is their total denial that funds have helped them prosper. And there is a must try harder for the rest of us. But don't expect financial help.
Not at all, Money is a key component but its mutiple factors that contribute to the success of this team and stated above and forever and ever, the grant money recieved, which is peoples main argument, none of the current squad benefited from that money.
Dublin have advantages absolutley, some have always been there, some are new.
Also, Gents, you cant be taking KerryforSam for real, he/she is on the wind up, best ignored.
I have him/her on ignore.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2019, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 25, 2019, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it's become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It's aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.
To be fair Dublin players and fans have been the pawns in all of this! Not that they are complaining. Why would they? What annoys most is their total denial that funds have helped them prosper. And there is a must try harder for the rest of us. But don't expect financial help.
Not at all, Money is a key component but its mutiple factors that contribute to the success of this team and stated above and forever and ever, the grant money recieved, which is peoples main argument, none of the current squad benefited from that money.
Dublin have advantages absolutley, some have always been there, some are new.
Also, Gents, you cant be taking KerryforSam for real, he/she is on the wind up, best ignored.
I have him/her on ignore.
How do you do that
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 25, 2019, 06:56:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2019, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 25, 2019, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it's become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It's aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.
To be fair Dublin players and fans have been the pawns in all of this! Not that they are complaining. Why would they? What annoys most is their total denial that funds have helped them prosper. And there is a must try harder for the rest of us. But don't expect financial help.
Not at all, Money is a key component but its mutiple factors that contribute to the success of this team and stated above and forever and ever, the grant money recieved, which is peoples main argument, none of the current squad benefited from that money.
Dublin have advantages absolutley, some have always been there, some are new.
Also, Gents, you cant be taking KerryforSam for real, he/she is on the wind up, best ignored.
I have him/her on ignore.
How do you do that
Profile, account settings. There's an option to ignore posters if you want.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2019, 07:24:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 25, 2019, 06:56:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2019, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 25, 2019, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it's become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It's aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.
To be fair Dublin players and fans have been the pawns in all of this! Not that they are complaining. Why would they? What annoys most is their total denial that funds have helped them prosper. And there is a must try harder for the rest of us. But don't expect financial help.
Not at all, Money is a key component but its mutiple factors that contribute to the success of this team and stated above and forever and ever, the grant money recieved, which is peoples main argument, none of the current squad benefited from that money.
Dublin have advantages absolutley, some have always been there, some are new.
Also, Gents, you cant be taking KerryforSam for real, he/she is on the wind up, best ignored.
I have him/her on ignore.
How do you do that
Profile, account settings. There's an option to ignore posters if you want.
Thanks for that I did the same.
Done.
Also irish345
Quote from: joemamas on June 25, 2019, 07:30:29 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2019, 07:24:46 PM
Quote from: tonto1888 on June 25, 2019, 06:56:17 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on June 25, 2019, 05:39:07 PM
Quote from: TheGreatest on June 25, 2019, 10:57:21 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on June 25, 2019, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: yellowcard on June 24, 2019, 11:31:36 PM
Some amount of Dub bashing all over the press since yesterday, it's become a bit embarrassing to be honest and I say that as a non Dub. It's aimed at taking away from what is an exceptional group of players who come along once in a lifetime. The Dubs will always be competitive due to sheer numbers alone and I think most people would think it only right that money be spread equitably across all counties but the timing of the drip drip media articles in a season when they are going for 5 in a row is no coincidence. Media hacks and ex players playing the populist card.
To be fair Dublin players and fans have been the pawns in all of this! Not that they are complaining. Why would they? What annoys most is their total denial that funds have helped them prosper. And there is a must try harder for the rest of us. But don't expect financial help.
Not at all, Money is a key component but its mutiple factors that contribute to the success of this team and stated above and forever and ever, the grant money recieved, which is peoples main argument, none of the current squad benefited from that money.
Dublin have advantages absolutley, some have always been there, some are new.
Also, Gents, you cant be taking KerryforSam for real, he/she is on the wind up, best ignored.
I have him/her on ignore.
How do you do that
Profile, account settings. There's an option to ignore posters if you want.
Thanks for that I did the same.
fair play
Quote from: Rossfan on June 25, 2019, 07:38:51 PM
Done.
Also irish345
I ignored him aswell. Good minds and all that... ;D
Andy McEntee, I thought he came across poorly on the TV after the game but he lost the plot completely with the local press
QuoteThe Meath Chronicle is asking Meath senior football manager Andy McEntee to apologise after threatening to "take the f**king head off" one of its sports reporters in the wake of Meath's dispiriting 1-17 - 0-4 defeat to Dublin last Sunday.
Andy McEntee clashed with Jimmy Geoghegan as he left the post-match press conference when Jimmy enquired if the Meath manager would be releasing players to line out in the county hurling championships this weekend. "Are you f**king mad? What sort of f**king question is that to ask me?" raged McEntee before moving off to do a TV interview. A legitimate one given that seven or eight players could be affected?
Given the nature of Meath's loss that saw Dublin ease to their ninth consecutive Leinster title, one could maybe have excused McEntee. That's if it had been left at that.
Shaken, but undeterred, our reporter made his way to the team bus to catch players for post-match quotes. Ben Brennan and Graham Reilly were, as usual, obliging and offered their insights into what went wrong for the Royals and their plans for recovery. Three other journalists were also present.
It was at this point McEntee came on the scene and confronted our reporter for the second time abruptly ending the interviews.
"I'll take the f**king head off you if I see you near the f**king dressing room again," he shouted at Geoghegan.
This was an extraordinary attack on one Meath's most respected writers and carried out in full view of the Meath squad sitting on the team bus.
"I couldn't believe it was happening. I could understand him being annoyed about the question but it was a valid question as the issue of releasing players has come up not just this year but in previous years," said Geoghegan. "But it was the second confrontation that really shocked me. He accused me of asking him a 'leading question' but it was never meant to be that."
In the aftermath of this incident, which was recorded on tape, an email was sent to both Meath PRO Ciaran Flynn and Secretary Mairead Delaney outlining the Chronicle's unhappiness at the treatment of its reporter at the hands of the manager.
The response, on Monday evening, bizarrely focused on the initial question that ignited McEntee's fury rather than the nature of the former Ballyboden manager's second, and far more serious verbal attack. This is that response in full.
"Coiste na Mí are aware of an incident involving the Meath Senior Football Manager and a reporter from the Meath Chronicle.
Meath manager Andy McEntee
"Our policy on the question asked by your reporter is, as always, in line with T.O 6.22 and our own Rialachain regarding same.
"All our Squad Managers and CCC Coiste na Mí respect that rule and indeed that fact is included in the Charter agreed with all Managers and GPA Representatives at the start of every year.
"On cross codes in the GAA individual players are encouraged to make their own decisions and "hearsay" talk of things being different is just that.
"Coiste na Mí will investigate internally the alleged comments. We trust that the Meath Chronicle will accept that in this delicate situation it is in both our interests to move forward and continue the excellent relationship with the Meath Chronicle that has remained for generations. We would hope to continue that relationship in a similar vein in the future."
Treating a senior reporter in the manner which the Meath senior football manager did last Sunday was unacceptable and two questions were put to Coiste na Mi on Monday evening. Has this matter been brought to the attention of Mr McEntee and will he apologise formally to our reporter who was carrying out his duties for the Meath Chronicle as he has done in a professional manner since 2002.
At time of going to press, no reply had been received.
Before the match McEntee was very adamant that "this match won't define our season". I think he was expecting to lose something like 20 points to 10, shake hands, walk away and then get on with the real focus of R4.
But he was very shook after the match. I'd guess down to the fact that with Dublin being below par, they actually competed really well for 50 minutes, won their fair share of possession, but a return of 4 scores from 25 scoring chances was just horrendous. I'd say beyond his wildest nightmare.
So all he needed was some smart ass reporter asking him about hurling in the post match press conference. The fact that the reporter deemed it even a question worth chancing would indicate that McEntee is a lot more forthcoming regarding small ball activities than other managers. Imagine asking Jim Gavin if Con O'Callaghan is allowed play a hurling game for Cuala a week before the All Ireland quarter-final! Or Harte or Bonner or anyone else similar questions.
I'd say the reporter knew full well the reaction he would get. And the county board's half-assed explanation is exactly the response deserved.
Andy McEntee seems to be a bit of a Neil Warnock type character.
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:42:16 AM
Before the match McEntee was very adamant that "this match won't define our season". I think he was expecting to lose something like 20 points to 10, shake hands, walk away and then get on with the real focus of R4.
But he was very shook after the match. I'd guess down to the fact that with Dublin being below par, they actually competed really well for 50 minutes, won their fair share of possession, but a return of 4 scores from 25 scoring chances was just horrendous. I'd say beyond his wildest nightmare.
So all he needed was some smart ass reporter asking him about hurling in the post match press conference. The fact that the reporter deemed it even a question worth chancing would indicate that McEntee is a lot more forthcoming regarding small ball activities than other managers. Imagine asking Jim Gavin if Con O'Callaghan is allowed play a hurling game for Cuala a week before the All Ireland quarter-final! Or Harte or Bonner or anyone else similar questions.
I'd say the reporter knew full well the reaction he would get. And the county board's half-assed explanation is exactly the response deserved.
He's the leader, he didn't lead, he made an idiot of himself. Jim Gavin would never lose his composure like that.
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/se%C3%A1n-moran-dublin-have-always-had-advantages-so-what-s-new-1.3937413
"From the GAA's perspective there is no ambivalence about the impact of the development work in Dublin. The games are holding their own in the most competitive environment in the country and its main urban area and year after year Croke Park has made it clear that they have no wish to make radical alterations to the Dublin project but instead to try to roll it out elsewhere.
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown and although last year's football gates were down, they were offset by the rise in hurling figures"
So it's fck the rest of us...... >:(
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown and although last year's football gates were down, they were offset by the rise in hurling figures"
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2019, 11:39:04 AM
So it's fck the rest of us...... >:(
I know nobody has any interest in the this, but I'll keep saying it.
To date, the Games Development Funding has had no affect on Dublin winning 6 All Irelands and 14 out of 15 Leinsters. All the players involved were already in the system and beyond the reach of GPOs and the development funds. Dublin dominating Leinster isn't unique. There have been other cycles when rest of Leinster weren't great. Dublin won 9 out of 12 Leinsters in the 70s and 80s, when Heffo got them fit and organised. And that might have been 12 out of 12 but for Eugene McGee ;)
I genuinely think Kildare especially will be challenging Dublin soon (they should very soon have a strong, deep panel. They need one or two players to also become the best in the country in their position. )
If the games development funds are to have any impact on the Dublin senior intercounty team, it'll be future teams. So beware!
(Although whether there'll be that many talented lads who only went to the GAA because of the GPO, remains to be seen).
There are plenty of real advantages we do actually have, some of which might even be unfair, that should be the focus. (There should should be some move to disburse sponsorship funds more equitably, in a way which still encourages Dublin to go out and find sponsorship. If the provincial winners who are in Dublin's Super 8 group would prefer to play their Super 8 game in a neutral province rather than Croke Park, they should be given that option).
As for rolling out GPOs outside Dublin, GPOs will only make a real difference outside Dublin in places where they are losing youngsters to other sports, or places where they don't have experienced coaches/ex-players to give parents who are taking on teams some pointers in how to teach kids the basics. The "soccer towns" are the ones which should be a benefit if you got a good GPO making a sustained effort.
But really county boards should be running "Coach the coach" type courses anyway, then that alone will cover off a big chunk of what needs to be done (if the bulk of the sporting inclined kids in the town already go up to the GAA club).
2010's : "Dublin's dominance is ruining the game"
2000's : "Ulster football is ruining the game"
1990's : "Meath have single handidly saved football"
1970's & 1980's : "Kerry's dominance is ruining football"
It seems in the GAA we need something every decade to rail against and it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel but all things come to an end.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2019, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:42:16 AM
Before the match McEntee was very adamant that "this match won't define our season". I think he was expecting to lose something like 20 points to 10, shake hands, walk away and then get on with the real focus of R4.
But he was very shook after the match. I'd guess down to the fact that with Dublin being below par, they actually competed really well for 50 minutes, won their fair share of possession, but a return of 4 scores from 25 scoring chances was just horrendous. I'd say beyond his wildest nightmare.
So all he needed was some smart ass reporter asking him about hurling in the post match press conference. The fact that the reporter deemed it even a question worth chancing would indicate that McEntee is a lot more forthcoming regarding small ball activities than other managers. Imagine asking Jim Gavin if Con O'Callaghan is allowed play a hurling game for Cuala a week before the All Ireland quarter-final! Or Harte or Bonner or anyone else similar questions.
I'd say the reporter knew full well the reaction he would get. And the county board's half-assed explanation is exactly the response deserved.
He's the leader, he didn't lead, he made an idiot of himself. Jim Gavin would never lose his composure like that.
Jim Gavin will never be in a similar losing position for us to know how he would conduct himself :) :)
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown and although last year's football gates were down, they were offset by the rise in hurling figures"
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2019, 11:39:04 AM
So it's fck the rest of us...... >:(
I know nobody has any interest in the this, but I'll keep saying it.
To date, the Games Development Funding has had no affect on Dublin winning 6 All Irelands and 14 out of 15 Leinsters. All the players involved were already in the system and beyond the reach of GPOs and the development funds.
Dublin dominating Leinster isn't unique. There have been other cycles when rest of Leinster weren't great. Dublin won 9 out of 12 Leinsters in the 70s and 80s, when Heffo got them fit and organised. And that might have been 12 out of 12 but for Eugene McGee ;)
I genuinely think Kildare especially will be challenging Dublin soon (they should very soon have a strong, deep panel. They need one or two players to also become the best in the country in their position. )
If the games development funds are to have any impact on the Dublin senior intercounty team, it'll be future teams. So beware!
(Although whether there'll be that many talented lads who only went to the GAA because of the GPO, remains to be seen).
There are plenty of real advantages we do actually have, some of which might even be unfair, that should be the focus. (There should should be some move to disburse sponsorship funds more equitably, in a way which still encourages Dublin to go out and find sponsorship. If the provincial winners who are in Dublin's Super 8 group would prefer to play their Super 8 game in a neutral province rather than Croke Park, they should be given that option).
As for rolling out GPOs outside Dublin, GPOs will only make a real difference outside Dublin in places where they are losing youngsters to other sports, or places where they don't have experienced coaches/ex-players to give parents who are taking on teams some pointers in how to teach kids the basics. The "soccer towns" are the ones which should be a benefit if you got a good GPO making a sustained effort.
But really county boards should be running "Coach the coach" type courses anyway, then that alone will cover off a big chunk of what needs to be done (if the bulk of the sporting inclined kids in the town already go up to the GAA club).
The funding came into place in 2005 and roughly €1m a year since.
Primary school ages 2005 1st Class age 7 to 6th class age 12
Those kids ages now 21 - 26
Yep no affect at all, move along folks nothing to see here...just coincidence the ladies picked up a senior AI as well.
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2019, 01:54:03 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2019, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:42:16 AM
Before the match McEntee was very adamant that "this match won't define our season". I think he was expecting to lose something like 20 points to 10, shake hands, walk away and then get on with the real focus of R4.
But he was very shook after the match. I'd guess down to the fact that with Dublin being below par, they actually competed really well for 50 minutes, won their fair share of possession, but a return of 4 scores from 25 scoring chances was just horrendous. I'd say beyond his wildest nightmare.
So all he needed was some smart ass reporter asking him about hurling in the post match press conference. The fact that the reporter deemed it even a question worth chancing would indicate that McEntee is a lot more forthcoming regarding small ball activities than other managers. Imagine asking Jim Gavin if Con O'Callaghan is allowed play a hurling game for Cuala a week before the All Ireland quarter-final! Or Harte or Bonner or anyone else similar questions.
I'd say the reporter knew full well the reaction he would get. And the county board's half-assed explanation is exactly the response deserved.
He's the leader, he didn't lead, he made an idiot of himself. Jim Gavin would never lose his composure like that.
A bit of insight. Jimmy is a bit of a strange one. He has a tendency to ask questions that seem to get under the skin of the interviewee. He was doing the same to Nick Fitzgerald in a recent interview before the Christy Ring Cup and Nick was audibly getting irritated by the line of questions. So I think there might be a bit more to it than is being reported. Now Andy just hasn't the calmest temperament so it sort of came to a head. I don't think it's just that one particular question. Andy could have handled it better but I'd cut him a fair amount of slack.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2019, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown and although last year's football gates were down, they were offset by the rise in hurling figures"
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2019, 11:39:04 AM
So it's fck the rest of us...... >:(
I know nobody has any interest in the this, but I'll keep saying it.
To date, the Games Development Funding has had no affect on Dublin winning 6 All Irelands and 14 out of 15 Leinsters. All the players involved were already in the system and beyond the reach of GPOs and the development funds.
Dublin dominating Leinster isn't unique. There have been other cycles when rest of Leinster weren't great. Dublin won 9 out of 12 Leinsters in the 70s and 80s, when Heffo got them fit and organised. And that might have been 12 out of 12 but for Eugene McGee ;)
I genuinely think Kildare especially will be challenging Dublin soon (they should very soon have a strong, deep panel. They need one or two players to also become the best in the country in their position. )
If the games development funds are to have any impact on the Dublin senior intercounty team, it'll be future teams. So beware!
(Although whether there'll be that many talented lads who only went to the GAA because of the GPO, remains to be seen).
There are plenty of real advantages we do actually have, some of which might even be unfair, that should be the focus. (There should should be some move to disburse sponsorship funds more equitably, in a way which still encourages Dublin to go out and find sponsorship. If the provincial winners who are in Dublin's Super 8 group would prefer to play their Super 8 game in a neutral province rather than Croke Park, they should be given that option).
As for rolling out GPOs outside Dublin, GPOs will only make a real difference outside Dublin in places where they are losing youngsters to other sports, or places where they don't have experienced coaches/ex-players to give parents who are taking on teams some pointers in how to teach kids the basics. The "soccer towns" are the ones which should be a benefit if you got a good GPO making a sustained effort.
But really county boards should be running "Coach the coach" type courses anyway, then that alone will cover off a big chunk of what needs to be done (if the bulk of the sporting inclined kids in the town already go up to the GAA club).
The funding came into place in 2005 and roughly €1m a year since.
Primary school ages 2005 1st Class age 7 to 6th class age 12
Those kids ages now 21 - 26
Yep no affect at all, move along folks nothing to see here...just coincidence the ladies picked up a senior AI as well.
Ah chrisakes Dinny, those lads were all ensconced with their clubs by then and would have seen nothing of the GPO at the clubs.
The ladies have improved because of population and development squads. Same for the hurlers. The ladies won All Irelands because as well as having good depth, they have 2 or 3 of the best players in the country. If the hurlers had Con, they'd be very close to the best. They need a reliable elite forward to make that final step.
GPOs go nowhere near elite players. They really need to do a documentary following the life of a GPO, to get rid of the myths!
Quote from: thebuzz on June 26, 2019, 01:22:13 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2019, 10:16:39 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:42:16 AM
Before the match McEntee was very adamant that "this match won't define our season". I think he was expecting to lose something like 20 points to 10, shake hands, walk away and then get on with the real focus of R4.
But he was very shook after the match. I'd guess down to the fact that with Dublin being below par, they actually competed really well for 50 minutes, won their fair share of possession, but a return of 4 scores from 25 scoring chances was just horrendous. I'd say beyond his wildest nightmare.
So all he needed was some smart ass reporter asking him about hurling in the post match press conference. The fact that the reporter deemed it even a question worth chancing would indicate that McEntee is a lot more forthcoming regarding small ball activities than other managers. Imagine asking Jim Gavin if Con O'Callaghan is allowed play a hurling game for Cuala a week before the All Ireland quarter-final! Or Harte or Bonner or anyone else similar questions.
I'd say the reporter knew full well the reaction he would get. And the county board's half-assed explanation is exactly the response deserved.
He's the leader, he didn't lead, he made an idiot of himself. Jim Gavin would never lose his composure like that.
Jim Gavin will never be in a similar losing position for us to know how he would conduct himself :) :)
Well if we did lose this year, and someone asked him afterwards if he is sorry now that he didn't try hard to get Diarmuid back, I don't think he'd react too kindly. Albeit, I doubt he'd burst into expletives!
Quote from: thejuice on June 26, 2019, 01:13:58 PM
2010's : "Dublin's dominance is ruining the game"
2000's : "Ulster football is ruining the game"
1990's : "Meath have single handidly saved football"
1970's & 1980's : "Kerry's dominance is ruining football"
It seems in the GAA we need something every decade to rail against and it's hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel but all things come to an end.
;D ;D
Couple of interesting results at Leinster U20 level over the last couple of nights:
U20 Football championship
Laois 0-17 Kildare 1-11
Laois corner forward Whelan helping himself to 10 points
U20 Hurling championship
Offaly 1-29 Dublin 2-25 AET
A 17 year old for Offaly getting 20 points apparently. The bulk from frees, but quite the total.
Don't think there's a backdoor in these championships so big disappointment for the losers, but have to give great credit to Laois and Offaly (who both played away from home)
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 09:23:15 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on June 26, 2019, 01:49:39 PM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown and although last year's football gates were down, they were offset by the rise in hurling figures"
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2019, 11:39:04 AM
So it's fck the rest of us...... >:(
I know nobody has any interest in the this, but I'll keep saying it.
To date, the Games Development Funding has had no affect on Dublin winning 6 All Irelands and 14 out of 15 Leinsters. All the players involved were already in the system and beyond the reach of GPOs and the development funds.
Dublin dominating Leinster isn't unique. There have been other cycles when rest of Leinster weren't great. Dublin won 9 out of 12 Leinsters in the 70s and 80s, when Heffo got them fit and organised. And that might have been 12 out of 12 but for Eugene McGee ;)
I genuinely think Kildare especially will be challenging Dublin soon (they should very soon have a strong, deep panel. They need one or two players to also become the best in the country in their position. )
If the games development funds are to have any impact on the Dublin senior intercounty team, it'll be future teams. So beware!
(Although whether there'll be that many talented lads who only went to the GAA because of the GPO, remains to be seen).
There are plenty of real advantages we do actually have, some of which might even be unfair, that should be the focus. (There should should be some move to disburse sponsorship funds more equitably, in a way which still encourages Dublin to go out and find sponsorship. If the provincial winners who are in Dublin's Super 8 group would prefer to play their Super 8 game in a neutral province rather than Croke Park, they should be given that option).
As for rolling out GPOs outside Dublin, GPOs will only make a real difference outside Dublin in places where they are losing youngsters to other sports, or places where they don't have experienced coaches/ex-players to give parents who are taking on teams some pointers in how to teach kids the basics. The "soccer towns" are the ones which should be a benefit if you got a good GPO making a sustained effort.
But really county boards should be running "Coach the coach" type courses anyway, then that alone will cover off a big chunk of what needs to be done (if the bulk of the sporting inclined kids in the town already go up to the GAA club).
The funding came into place in 2005 and roughly €1m a year since.
Primary school ages 2005 1st Class age 7 to 6th class age 12
Those kids ages now 21 - 26
Yep no affect at all, move along folks nothing to see here...just coincidence the ladies picked up a senior AI as well.
Ah chrisakes Dinny, those lads were all ensconced with their clubs by then and would have seen nothing of the GPO at the clubs.
The ladies have improved because of population and development squads. Same for the hurlers. The ladies won All Irelands because as well as having good depth, they have 2 or 3 of the best players in the country. If the hurlers had Con, they'd be very close to the best. They need a reliable elite forward to make that final step.
GPOs go nowhere near elite players. They really need to do a documentary following the life of a GPO, to get rid of the myths!
These players weren't elite between 7-12 years of age but if their clubs employed a GPO they were touched directly or indirectly by a GPO who would have coached the coaches. Very disingenuous to claim they were already ensconced in their clubs, developmental structures play a key role in development and retention of young players. GDO's have an influence on those structures.
Stop rolling out the "best players in the country argument" you are above that. Players are nurtured and developed, they don't just pop up out of thin air.
You are deliberately understating the role of GDO's, I am not saying they are the reason but they are certainly a an inorganic factor along side huge sponsorship and playing majority of their games at home.
Quote from: highorlow on June 24, 2019, 09:18:14 PM
Did the Dublin team go to work today or were they all off on some recovery sessions for the day?
I remember back in the days of Whealan and Jayo the whole Dublin team after a championship game used to go out playing golf in Hollystown of a Monday courtesy of Oliver Barry. Struck me back then that they had it handy lifestyle wise.
Money and funding players lifestyles is a huge part of this and yesterday was like professionals against amateurs. The Dublin players can meet up regularly and train 3 to 4 times a day, that also makes a massive difference. The players themselves admit to this where they say they are all close knit and like a big family.
I'd say most of the Dublin panel don't do much in the line of work during the championship campaign and are basically full time Gaelic Footballers. This is the major advantage they have over every other team.
Some lads here are digging into the past and comparing Kerry and Dublins dominance back in the day. It was almost the same thing back then, all the Kerry lads had jobs fixed up for them back then and were earning money off washing machines and ovens and ranges, it was probably the same for the Dubs once they got up and running.
You be disappointed to hear the Dublin celebrated Sunday night and Monday. Players outside starting 15 from Sunday played with club last night.
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown and although last year's football gates were down, they were offset by the rise in hurling figures"
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2019, 11:39:04 AM
So it's fck the rest of us...... >:(
I know nobody has any interest in the this, but I'll keep saying it.
To date, the Games Development Funding has had no affect on Dublin winning 6 All Irelands and 14 out of 15 Leinsters. All the players involved were already in the system and beyond the reach of GPOs and the development funds.
Dublin dominating Leinster isn't unique. There have been other cycles when rest of Leinster weren't great. Dublin won 9 out of 12 Leinsters in the 70s and 80s, when Heffo got them fit and organised. And that might have been 12 out of 12 but for Eugene McGee ;)
I genuinely think Kildare especially will be challenging Dublin soon (they should very soon have a strong, deep panel. They need one or two players to also become the best in the country in their position. )
If the games development funds are to have any impact on the Dublin senior intercounty team, it'll be future teams. So beware!
(Although whether there'll be that many talented lads who only went to the GAA because of the GPO, remains to be seen).
Do you honestly believe that, Hound?
manfromdelmonte
"Dubs skill level is much higher than most teams
Kick with both feet, pass off either hand, step off either foot
Plus maximise every advantage going - 3/4 steps extra while bouncing the ball, cutting in front of chasing player while soloing or running, setting screens to get space to shoot.
All highly coachable"
Just a freak of nature, is it ?
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
I know nobody has any interest in the this, but I'll keep saying it.
To date, the Games Development Funding has had no affect on Dublin winning 6 All Irelands and 14 out of 15 Leinsters. All the players involved were already in the system and beyond the reach of GPOs and the development funds.
So you've no problem with them taking that money away from Dublin and distribute it among all 32 counties then?
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/talk-of-over-funding-for-dublin-does-not-sit-well-with-kevin-mcmanamon-1.3938509
Talk of over-funding for Dublin does not sit well with Kevin McManamon
Dublin star doesn't agree with those who say GAA has created a monster by investing so much
about 7 hours ago
Paul Keane
Kevin McManamon attempts to sum up his career with Dublin and his various successes, but can't quite find the right words. "My success has been for free, if that makes sense," he said.
Playing for Dublin, he explained, has always been about his heart overruling his head. Money, and even sense and logic at times, have never been guiding principles. It's why he and a pal at St Jude's set up a fresh food company at one stage to allow McManamon to work irregular hours and devote more time to football.
"It was just so I could play football really, I didn't really enjoy the job that much," explained the six-time All-Ireland winner.
The argument that continues to rage about Dublin footballers enjoying a moneyed existence and an unfair advantage over their rivals doesn't sit easily with McManamon.
"Yeah, and it comes out the odd time and people say it's all about money, and you're kind of just used to it at this stage. Some people are trying to use it as bait to wind us up. You just kind of smile at it.
"Anyone in my career that's supported me or that's helped me become the player I am doesn't get paid. That's how I would look at it. At Jude's, it's great to see, you go up the odd time to the academy and there's hundreds of young lads playing, and they're all volunteers that are giving their time to train them and give them a good Saturday morning, to make them enjoy football and hurling."
McManamon's take will not appease those who argue that the GAA has created a monster by investing so much in Dublin to the detriment of their neighbours and rivals.
The figure of almost €18 million that has been pumped into Dublin in games development and coaching grants between 2007 and 2018 – Cork is next on €1.4 million in that period – has been consistently highlighted.
Title successes
The end result, it is claimed, is Dublin's 14 Leinster title successes in the last 15 seasons. Under Jim Gavin they have won 21 out of 21 provincial games with a staggering 346 points to spare. Meath felt their full force just last Sunday, losing the Leinster final by 1-17 to 0-4.
"I don't know, I don't know the [financial] figures. I don't know anything about it," said McManamon. "I'd leave that up to John Costello and the lads in the county board, but does it affect us? It's hard to know. Obviously if you say those figures it makes it sound like it does. I don't feel it or experience it."
If the money doesn't make a big deal to the dubs, then take it off them.
Simples.
Quote from: joemamas on June 23, 2019, 04:55:38 PM
Quote from: highorlow on June 23, 2019, 04:39:11 PM
Should've been black card for small there
Agreed, it was a trip away from the ball, as the Meath man was trying to get free.
Then again, the referee and linesmen are auditioning for a Dublin All-Ireland.
The idiot that accuses me trolling then about questioning referees integrity??🤣🤣 my husband gave up refereeing because chaps like you abusing him whether on sideline or keyboard.
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2019, 02:36:08 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/talk-of-over-funding-for-dublin-does-not-sit-well-with-kevin-mcmanamon-1.3938509
Talk of over-funding for Dublin does not sit well with Kevin McManamon
Dublin star doesn't agree with those who say GAA has created a monster by investing so much
about 7 hours ago
Paul Keane
Kevin McManamon attempts to sum up his career with Dublin and his various successes, but can't quite find the right words. "My success has been for free, if that makes sense," he said.
Playing for Dublin, he explained, has always been about his heart overruling his head. Money, and even sense and logic at times, have never been guiding principles. It's why he and a pal at St Jude's set up a fresh food company at one stage to allow McManamon to work irregular hours and devote more time to football.
"It was just so I could play football really, I didn't really enjoy the job that much," explained the six-time All-Ireland winner.
The argument that continues to rage about Dublin footballers enjoying a moneyed existence and an unfair advantage over their rivals doesn't sit easily with McManamon.
"Yeah, and it comes out the odd time and people say it's all about money, and you're kind of just used to it at this stage. Some people are trying to use it as bait to wind us up. You just kind of smile at it.
"Anyone in my career that's supported me or that's helped me become the player I am doesn't get paid. That's how I would look at it. At Jude's, it's great to see, you go up the odd time to the academy and there's hundreds of young lads playing, and they're all volunteers that are giving their time to train them and give them a good Saturday morning, to make them enjoy football and hurling."
McManamon's take will not appease those who argue that the GAA has created a monster by investing so much in Dublin to the detriment of their neighbours and rivals.
The figure of almost €18 million that has been pumped into Dublin in games development and coaching grants between 2007 and 2018 – Cork is next on €1.4 million in that period – has been consistently highlighted.
Title successes
The end result, it is claimed, is Dublin's 14 Leinster title successes in the last 15 seasons. Under Jim Gavin they have won 21 out of 21 provincial games with a staggering 346 points to spare. Meath felt their full force just last Sunday, losing the Leinster final by 1-17 to 0-4.
"I don't know, I don't know the [financial] figures. I don't know anything about it," said McManamon. "I'd leave that up to John Costello and the lads in the county board, but does it affect us? It's hard to know. Obviously if you say those figures it makes it sound like it does. I don't feel it or experience it."
He's either not listening or being disigenuous with that statement. Nobody (or very few at any rate) is saying that the money (or indeed the argument about CP being used as a home venue) is what makes Dublin so good but it's definitely an advantage over other teams
Quote from: macdanger2 on June 27, 2019, 03:39:38 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2019, 02:36:08 PM
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/talk-of-over-funding-for-dublin-does-not-sit-well-with-kevin-mcmanamon-1.3938509
Talk of over-funding for Dublin does not sit well with Kevin McManamon
Dublin star doesn't agree with those who say GAA has created a monster by investing so much
about 7 hours ago
Paul Keane
Kevin McManamon attempts to sum up his career with Dublin and his various successes, but can't quite find the right words. "My success has been for free, if that makes sense," he said.
Playing for Dublin, he explained, has always been about his heart overruling his head. Money, and even sense and logic at times, have never been guiding principles. It's why he and a pal at St Jude's set up a fresh food company at one stage to allow McManamon to work irregular hours and devote more time to football.
"It was just so I could play football really, I didn't really enjoy the job that much," explained the six-time All-Ireland winner.
The argument that continues to rage about Dublin footballers enjoying a moneyed existence and an unfair advantage over their rivals doesn't sit easily with McManamon.
"Yeah, and it comes out the odd time and people say it's all about money, and you're kind of just used to it at this stage. Some people are trying to use it as bait to wind us up. You just kind of smile at it.
"Anyone in my career that's supported me or that's helped me become the player I am doesn't get paid. That's how I would look at it. At Jude's, it's great to see, you go up the odd time to the academy and there's hundreds of young lads playing, and they're all volunteers that are giving their time to train them and give them a good Saturday morning, to make them enjoy football and hurling."
McManamon's take will not appease those who argue that the GAA has created a monster by investing so much in Dublin to the detriment of their neighbours and rivals.
The figure of almost €18 million that has been pumped into Dublin in games development and coaching grants between 2007 and 2018 – Cork is next on €1.4 million in that period – has been consistently highlighted.
Title successes
The end result, it is claimed, is Dublin's 14 Leinster title successes in the last 15 seasons. Under Jim Gavin they have won 21 out of 21 provincial games with a staggering 346 points to spare. Meath felt their full force just last Sunday, losing the Leinster final by 1-17 to 0-4.
"I don't know, I don't know the [financial] figures. I don't know anything about it," said McManamon. "I'd leave that up to John Costello and the lads in the county board, but does it affect us? It's hard to know. Obviously if you say those figures it makes it sound like it does. I don't feel it or experience it."
He's either not listening or being disigenuous with that statement. Nobody (or very few at any rate) is saying that the money (or indeed the argument about CP being used as a home venue) is what makes Dublin so good but it's definitely an advantage over other teams
It would be interesting to ask Kev how many Leinster titles and All-Irelands he expects Dublin to win in the next 20 years and if he thinks the current teams achievements are going to look a lot less impressive if the Dubs are winning every second year (or more often)
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/time-to-re-balance-the-gaa-playing-scales-1.3939605
Sir, – Your contributors make many interesting and salient points regarding Dublin's football dominance in Leinster ("Questioning Dublin's Advantage", June 27th) However this needs to be given some historical perspective.
Sport is a numbers game and as a small east Galway hurling club we used to take advantage of Galway's presence in Croke Park to load up a bus with U-12 and U-14 players and take in a challenge game against some Dublin club before travelling onwards to Croke Park.
In the early years we invariably won the fixture and we were somewhat dismissive of their laboured hurling skill, but as the years progressed we noticed two things: First, as our numbers decreased and we had to use U-12 and 13 players to make up a team in our U-14 division, Dublin clubs invariably had more than one team competing at U-14 level and restricted their players to their age grade and their basic skills had improved enormously.
Second, the Dublin facilities were much improved and more extensive than what was available back home and money issues were nowhere near as pressing as they were/are in every rural club.
We were astonished to find that Dublin clubs had not one, but two or more paid games development coaches in their ranks while in Galway we had one to cover the whole county. Hence the vast improvement in skills level and players participating. So while the ethos of amateur volunteer coaches was still the norm in most other counties, the paid coach is common in Dublin GAA circles and this huge investment is demonstrably bearing fruit, not only in county football and hurling but also at club level.
Now many rural clubs struggle financially and with playing numbers and the availability of volunteer coaches the unthinkable is happening, with the greatest of traditional local enmities being set aside and adjacent parishes and clubs amalgamating. Now possibilities being considered include some rural counties – such as Sligo and Leitrim for example – pooling their playing and financial resources in an effort to become competitive again.
Meanwhile, Dublin GAA clubs continue to tap into the huge playing numbers and members at their disposal and are leaving the rest trailing far behind. They can hardly be criticised for their well-resourced success and professionalism and a pro-active response to the realisation in years past that the GAA had to compete for the minds of city youth and to directly confront the growing attraction of soccer, and to a lesser extent, rugby, in Dublin.
They have achieved this now. The down-side of increased professionalism and playing numbers of course is that the GAA is in danger of becoming, like soccer especially, the preserve of the super talented player to the exclusion of the just plain good or the social or enthusiastic player. We also wondered, then and now, if Dublin GAA was becoming a middle-class exploit as annual club memberships seemed to be set at between €250 and €400 per family, which would be prohibitive for many families in Galway and I'm sure for many Dubliners also.
For other counties or cities to catch up and challenge Dublin they might well follow the Dublin model, but the GAA nationally must look again at the apparent disproportionate distribution of its financial allocation to Dublin and to assist other counties to copy their model and employ more full-time development coaches in an effort to help re-balance the playing scales to help keep the competitions alive and the players and the paying public interested. – Yours, etc,
TOM FINN,
Ballinasloe,
Co Galway.
It's still described as a competition on wikipedia
"The Leinster Senior Football Championship (sponsored by Toyota, Ulster Bank, Vodafone) is the premier "knockout" competition in the game of Gaelic football played in the province of Leinster in Ireland"
I wonder what Toyota, Ulster Bank and Vodafone think of "the product".
Quote from: thejuice on June 28, 2019, 01:28:50 PM
I wonder what Toyota, Ulster Bank and Vodafone think of "the product".
I was thinking exactly the same thing
Why would you want to be associated with it ?
Although they could have pulled out already I imagine so there must be something in it. There's enough eyes and ears on it still even if it's not in the best light.
Quote from: thejuice on June 28, 2019, 01:48:10 PM
Although they could have pulled out already I imagine so there must be something in it. There's enough eyes and ears on it still even if it's not in the best light.
But for how much longer ?
If public opinion turned on the GAA over the state of competition no company would hang around
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2019, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown and although last year's football gates were down, they were offset by the rise in hurling figures"
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2019, 11:39:04 AM
So it's fck the rest of us...... >:(
I know nobody has any interest in the this, but I'll keep saying it.
To date, the Games Development Funding has had no affect on Dublin winning 6 All Irelands and 14 out of 15 Leinsters. All the players involved were already in the system and beyond the reach of GPOs and the development funds.
Dublin dominating Leinster isn't unique. There have been other cycles when rest of Leinster weren't great. Dublin won 9 out of 12 Leinsters in the 70s and 80s, when Heffo got them fit and organised. And that might have been 12 out of 12 but for Eugene McGee ;)
I genuinely think Kildare especially will be challenging Dublin soon (they should very soon have a strong, deep panel. They need one or two players to also become the best in the country in their position. )
If the games development funds are to have any impact on the Dublin senior intercounty team, it'll be future teams. So beware!
(Although whether there'll be that many talented lads who only went to the GAA because of the GPO, remains to be seen).
Do you honestly believe that, Hound?
manfromdelmonte
"Dubs skill level is much higher than most teams
Kick with both feet, pass off either hand, step off either foot
Plus maximise every advantage going - 3/4 steps extra while bouncing the ball, cutting in front of chasing player while soloing or running, setting screens to get space to shoot.
All highly coachable"
Just a freak of nature, is it ?
Of course not. Practice, practice, practice. Same as any two footed player in any county.
Absolutely zero to do with GPOs.
Why are Mayo players so much better than Leitrim players? Do they work harder? Beat them every single year, bar the very very rare miracle every 30 years or so. Maybe secret GPOs is the answer.
The GPOs do not train any players once they are on an underage team, and they go on an underage team from the age of 7. My son got to minor with having one proper session with a GPO after his trainer at U13 left and they were a week finding a replacement. A parent. As with every other team. He had PE lesson at school a few times a year, where it's totally focused on inclusivity so making sure the weakest can participate.
But listen, you's don't give a shit about what the GPOs actually do. You prefer to live with the myth. So good luck to the whingers, I've explained it about 100 times.
The real advantages are population, more players, more parents, more volunteers, everyone living in the county, Croke Park, sponsorship.
Quote from: Hound on June 30, 2019, 06:18:11 AM
Quote from: seafoid on June 27, 2019, 11:56:50 AM
Quote from: Hound on June 26, 2019, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: seafoid on June 26, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
The impact of this on the senior inter-county championship is, bluntly, a secondary consideration unless there is a revenue meltdown and although last year's football gates were down, they were offset by the rise in hurling figures"
Quote from: Rossfan on June 26, 2019, 11:39:04 AM
So it's fck the rest of us...... >:(
I know nobody has any interest in the this, but I'll keep saying it.
To date, the Games Development Funding has had no affect on Dublin winning 6 All Irelands and 14 out of 15 Leinsters. All the players involved were already in the system and beyond the reach of GPOs and the development funds.
Dublin dominating Leinster isn't unique. There have been other cycles when rest of Leinster weren't great. Dublin won 9 out of 12 Leinsters in the 70s and 80s, when Heffo got them fit and organised. And that might have been 12 out of 12 but for Eugene McGee ;)
I genuinely think Kildare especially will be challenging Dublin soon (they should very soon have a strong, deep panel. They need one or two players to also become the best in the country in their position. )
If the games development funds are to have any impact on the Dublin senior intercounty team, it'll be future teams. So beware!
(Although whether there'll be that many talented lads who only went to the GAA because of the GPO, remains to be seen).
Do you honestly believe that, Hound?
manfromdelmonte
"Dubs skill level is much higher than most teams
Kick with both feet, pass off either hand, step off either foot
Plus maximise every advantage going - 3/4 steps extra while bouncing the ball, cutting in front of chasing player while soloing or running, setting screens to get space to shoot.
All highly coachable"
Just a freak of nature, is it ?
Of course not. Practice, practice, practice. Same as any two footed player in any county.
Absolutely zero to do with GPOs.
Why are Mayo players so much better than Leitrim players? Do they work harder? Beat them every single year, bar the very very rare miracle every 30 years or so. Maybe secret GPOs is the answer.
The GPOs do not train any players once they are on an underage team, and they go on an underage team from the age of 7. My son got to minor with having one proper session with a GPO after his trainer at U13 left and they were a week finding a replacement. A parent. As with every other team. He had PE lesson at school a few times a year, where it's totally focused on inclusivity so making sure the weakest can participate.
But listen, you's don't give a shit about what the GPOs actually do. You prefer to live with the myth. So good luck to the whingers, I've explained it about 100 times.
The real advantages are population, more players, more parents, more volunteers, everyone living in the county, Croke Park, sponsorship.
https://youtu.be/AyifuNC0MT8
Or else disingenuous...
I was looking at a video of Antrim hurling . The cross bar challenge. 17 and 18 year olds
Only 2 of them managed it. Everyone had a different way of connecting with the ball and follow through. So the challenge was like a random walk process.
https://youtu.be/a0--UZR3Euk
Professional coaching à la Dublin would have had those players coached throughly in the core skills from maybe age 10 so that by 14 they would be able to hit the crossbar 1 in 4 times for example. Same as a very good tennis coach. Every shot has a process that must be followed. How you stand, how far back the swing goes, how high the ball is thrown, where the hurl connects and the follow through .
Antrim hurlers pick from maybe 6 clubs. Imagine if everyone in the 6 counties got professional coaching in the basics a la Dublin. Forget about religion. The under 17 team would not just be picked from 6 Antrim clubs. It would have the best technical players from everywhere in NI , which has a similar population to Dublin btw
This hypothetical team would hammer the shite out of the team in the video .
This is the GAA's huge problem. What does it want Gaelic football to be? The undisputed heavyweight sport in Dublin or competitive across the country?
If Dublin is given the professional coaching treatment the county system no longer works.
Under haphazard coaching it doesn't matter how big Dublin is. Only the naturally talented will come through with a lower skill level .
Under professional coaching where everyone is coached thoroughly in the skills it really does matter how big Dublin is . The technically superior will emerge with consistently higher skill levels . The pool of eligible players will be much bigger. Kildare and Meath are still on haphazard coaching . The Leinster Championship collapses as a spectacle. Even if Kildare and Meath were on professional coaching they have much smaller populations than Dublin. So they can't win.
There is no way to have a competitive Leinster championship under the county system by professionalising coaching .