Roscommon's next Manager

Started by Rossfan, July 20, 2015, 10:48:56 AM

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rrhf

Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies. 

Syferus

Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

There's no diving specialist there so I don't know about it.

INDIANA

Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

few players would be nice too. Or maybe they don't count anymore

The Black Mamba

Look let's be real here, Evans just isn't tactically astute enough to take this team to the next level, in particular not pushing up on Sligo's kickout or pumping long ball in on top of their full back line was almost criminal! I thank him for the work he's done in getting us up the Divisions and leaving us in a far better place than when he came in but I think a fresh approach is needed and McStay definitely has the nous to improve us.

sligoman

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Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 05:07:44 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

There's no diving specialist there so I don't know about it.

Who did O'Donnell have in for that in 2010? I presume you could get him back in.

moysider

Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men  ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)


Syferus

Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men  ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)

I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.

moysider

Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men  ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)

I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.

McStay should be well pissed off with the way he was treated by Mayo CB. The stuff about some players not happy about BIL comments was just spin from people who wanted things to go their way. The world has developed around nepotism, loops, connections and nods and winks. If the C&H coup works it will be seen as an inspired appointment. If not.............
Not the first time players have been used as pawns to push things through. Ironically the players were less than enthusiastic about C&H anyway.

moysider

Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men  ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)

I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.

Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.

Syferus

Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men  ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)

I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.

Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.

If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.

moysider

Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men  ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)

I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.

Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.

If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.

Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.

Syferus

Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2015, 12:27:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men  ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)

I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.

Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.

If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.

Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.

There is no way after so much foreplay that Mayo will kick on the year after they win the AI, if they win. McGuiness is a better manager than your two fellas and Donegal had a far less epic journey to the 2012 AI and look what happened. No team could maintain their intensity levels after something like that, let alone improve, the very next year. And that's all outside a panel whose sell-by date is approaching sooner than some like to think.

Ballagh put it in a a hyperbolic way but the Mayo panel have been moulded for the immediate term for the past half decade or so. It's not a panel that's really trying to blood young players and thinking three or four years down the line, it's about winning big and winning big right damn now. Eventually in counties that aren't Dublin that comes back to bite you, no matter how much money is pumped into the machine.

Il Bomber Destro

Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2015, 01:01:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 15, 2015, 12:27:22 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach  / Cake as goalkeeping coach. 
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.

More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men  ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)

I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.

Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.

If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.

Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.

There is no way after so much foreplay that Mayo will kick on the year after they win the AI, if they win. McGuiness is a better manager than your two fellas and Donegal had a far less epic journey to the 2012 AI and look what happened. No team could maintain their intensity levels after something like that, let alone improve, the very next year. And that's all outside a panel whose sell-by date is approaching sooner than some like to think.

Ballagh put it in a a hyperbolic way but the Mayo panel have been moulded for the immediate term for the past half decade or so. It's not a panel that's really trying to blood young players and thinking three or four years down the line, it's about winning big and winning big right damn now. Eventually in counties that aren't Dublin that comes back to bite you, no matter how much money is pumped into the machine.

::) ::) ::)

In 2012 Donegal had to beat Tyrone (2008 winners), Kerry (2009 winners) Cork (2010 winners), Mayo (2011 semi finalists), Down (2010 runners up) and Derry.

Donegal's 2012 triumph is probably the most difficult path encountered by any team in the past 15 years. The parameters are a lot different for teams coming out of Ulster and it's very difficult to sustain playing at a high level from May to Sept which Ulster teams need to do if they want to win the AI. Donegal's flop in 2013 is down to that long hard season. The huge advantage that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo have is that there is nothing in their province that will trouble them and they can easily tailor their preparation to peak for August, this allows to me have freshness and come back year on year.

Also don't start going down the qualifier route, even though a good few teams have won it that route in recent years, it is a perilous one. If teams capable of challenging for an AI lose their provincial matches it suggests they are well open to be caught in the qualifiers.

Look at the three winners in the 2008, 2009 and 2010 Championships.

2008 Tyrone were well off their game and were in serious bother in Omagh against Westmeath only for Westmeath to implode with 20 minutes to go and have two players sent off.

2009 Kerry laboured past Longford, were a missed penalty from being knocked out by Sligo and made hard work of Antrim

2010 Cork were taken to extra time in the qualifiers by Limerick and were blessed to come out of that tie.

Right now, Mayo, Dublin and Kerry have all the parameters there to challenge year on year. Donegal operate/operated off an entirely different set of parameters.

giveballaghback

Mayo are in last chance saloon this year and thats a fact, there is no way this team can give another season without five or six new panel members and the quality is just not there, when they line out against the dubs have a look at yere programmes and look at the changes dublin will have on their panel from the 2013 all-ireland final {which they won} then look at mayos panel, that will tell you the story, millions wasted and nothing for it.

maigheo

Just wondering how a Roscommon thread has turned in to a discussion on Mayo football :) :)