After yesterday's Connacht Final the present incumbent has to move on.
To be replaced by??
Has the Hatch Committee met yet?
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Thon would be at the back of the bus wrecking it...
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If u can afford a bus like that then you'd have no bother paying for this guy ;)
Rossfan, when i saw the thread title, i thought there had been a development. In the absence of same, no point whatsoever on speculating on names, for a position for which no vacancy exists.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2015, 10:48:56 AM
After yesterday's Connacht Final the present incumbent has to move on.
To be replaced by??
Has the Hatch Committee met yet?
You are looking for another manager when ye all thought ye'd got the real deal a few short months ago. If ye think John Evans s useless, what about more than half of the bleddy team?
Bedad, eaten bread is soon forgotten in the land of the woolly jumpers!
Evans had two outstanding league campaigns and brought Ross into the top division this year.
He can't be all that bad.
He could walk on water, you all said. (Well Syf thought so anyway. )
If he goes, whatever unlucky hoor who takes over, will have to start from scratch again and will put the cause of Ross back a couple of years before ye do a John Maughan on him and send him on his way.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2015, 10:48:56 AM
After yesterday's Connacht Final the present incumbent has to move on.
To be replaced by??
Has the Hatch Committee met yet?
After yesterday ye should be blessing yerselves that ye dodged that bullet. Imagine the mauling ye d have got in McHale park yesterday. Would have set ye back a lot further than losing to likes of Sligo and Fermanagh and Sligo. Evans did well to promote that team. Give him the chance to help them stay up. Ye owe the team and him that.
Evans is a grand lad, nothing like Maughtan or Carr. However he has failed this team in big championship games. I would however not be devastated if he he stayed on another year, as I believe we have nothing to replace him with. Us Rossies should be somewhat happy to have avoided an awful kicking by them Mayo hoors. Nothing worse than them shower thrashing us, they lack mercy, no class at all.
The thing is that when Mayo next play Ros in championship it will be in McHale Park. That will help keep yer development stunted a while yet. Something a new manager might well factor in - especially a Mayo one.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 01:22:46 PM
The thing is that when Mayo next play Ros in championship it will be in McHale Park. That will help keep yer development stunted a while yet. Something a new manager might well factor in - especially a Mayo one.
Moysider I would keep comments like that to myself as they will come back to haunt you, Mayo beat Roscommon by a point last year and had to bring on Andy Moran to do that, ye are not as great as you think and that will be proved when ye meet a decent team, Sligo yesterday were a complete mess. Due to age profile and a lack of talent emerging the day is coming fast when Roscommon and Galway will have yere number in the championship, you should probably keep that in mind.
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 01:13:40 PM
Evans is a grand lad, nothing like Maughtan or Carr. However he has failed this team in big championship games. I would however not be devastated if he he stayed on another year, as I believe we have nothing to replace him with. Us Rossies should be somewhat happy to have avoided an awful kicking by them Mayo hoors. Nothing worse than them shower thrashing us, they lack mercy, no class at all.
Explain what you mean by that?
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on July 20, 2015, 01:33:47 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 01:22:46 PM
The thing is that when Mayo next play Ros in championship it will be in McHale Park. That will help keep yer development stunted a while yet. Something a new manager might well factor in - especially a Mayo one.
Moysider I would keep comments like that to myself as they will come back to haunt you, Mayo beat Roscommon by a point last year and had to bring on Andy Moran to do that, ye are not as great as you think and that will be proved when ye meet a decent team, Sligo yesterday were a complete mess. Due to age profile and a lack of talent emerging the day is coming fast when Roscommon and Galway will have yere number in the championship, you should probably keep that in mind.
5 in a row and a record winning margin - we're not too bloody bad!
And Ros are supposed to be coming since 2011. Ye will beat us some day I'm sure but we're going to consider ourselves better than Ros until that happens - because we are.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 20, 2015, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 01:13:40 PM
Evans is a grand lad, nothing like Maughtan or Carr. However he has failed this team in big championship games. I would however not be devastated if he he stayed on another year, as I believe we have nothing to replace him with. Us Rossies should be somewhat happy to have avoided an awful kicking by them Mayo hoors. Nothing worse than them shower thrashing us, they lack mercy, no class at all.
Explain what you mean by that?
What point need clarification?
You're going to look a bit of a tool if Evans stays Rossfan..
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 01:53:35 PM
Quote from: Mac2 on July 20, 2015, 01:44:32 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 01:13:40 PM
Evans is a grand lad, nothing like Maughtan or Carr. However he has failed this team in big championship games. I would however not be devastated if he he stayed on another year, as I believe we have nothing to replace him with. Us Rossies should be somewhat happy to have avoided an awful kicking by them Mayo hoors. Nothing worse than them shower thrashing us, they lack mercy, no class at all.
Explain what you mean by that?
What point( s) needs clarification?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
I think Evans deserves another year, he's exceeded expectations by getting ye up to D1 and while they were poor in the championship, I think ye're set up better than say Kildare / Westmeath who were both relegated but are still in the championship
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
Fermanagh are a better side than Sligo and will be playing in D2 next year.
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 02:47:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
Fermanagh are a better side than Sligo and will be playing in D2 next year.
There's damn all in it. Sligo finished the league very well. Did they not beat Armagh?
The thing Sligo were set up same v Ros as Mayo. So how come Ros did not do a number on them with their dodgy kick-out strategy obvious from the off. How come Senan didn t score 3 gaols against them seeing them so naïve? Why didn t Ros score 6-25 against the same Sligo with their superior forwards than ours and all?
In fairness there were Sligo fans on here thinking they had better forwards than us too.
Mac2, over the years Mayo have hammered Ros (far too many times to mention), Galway, Donegal and now Sligo without any level of mercy. Sligo were beaten after 5 mins yesterday, could Mayo not have went easy on them in the second half. What was to be gained by hammering them into the ground? Mayo in the past have taken some severe hammerings from Cork and Kerry on the bigger days in Croke Park, I think its bad form to kick the living daylights out of a team in that merciless manner. Donegal have won an All Ireland in recent times, yet they never felt the need to trounce the opposition, they could have murdered Armagh this year, they choose not to. In fact they probably could have murdered Mayo in that All Ireland they won. It seems a bit mental hammering teams year in year out and then coming up short when it matters.
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
Mac2, over the years Mayo have hammered Ros (far too many times to mention), Galway, Donegal and now Sligo without any level of mercy. Sligo were beaten after 5 mins yesterday, could Mayo not have went easy on them in the second half. What was to be gained by hammering them into the ground? Mayo in the past have taken some severe hammerings from Cork and Kerry on the bigger days in Croke Park, I think its bad form to kick the living daylights out of a team in that merciless manner. Donegal have won an All Ireland in recent times, yet they never felt the need to trounce the opposition, they could have murdered Armagh this year, they choose not to. In fact they probably could have murdered Mayo in that All Ireland they won. It seems a bit mental hammering teams year in year out and then coming up short when it matters.
Mayo have let teams back into games in the past by not pressing home the advantage. Examples being Sligo and Dublin in 2012 and Dublin 2013.
On of the most pleasing aspects of yesterday was how we didn t get sloppy and complacent at any stage. Not as many silly passes and turnovers as usual.
Factor in lads playing for places as well. A welcome ruthlessness. Hopefully it will continue.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
Mac2, over the years Mayo have hammered Ros (far too many times to mention), Galway, Donegal and now Sligo without any level of mercy. Sligo were beaten after 5 mins yesterday, could Mayo not have went easy on them in the second half. What was to be gained by hammering them into the ground? Mayo in the past have taken some severe hammerings from Cork and Kerry on the bigger days in Croke Park, I think its bad form to kick the living daylights out of a team in that merciless manner. Donegal have won an All Ireland in recent times, yet they never felt the need to trounce the opposition, they could have murdered Armagh this year, they choose not to. In fact they probably could have murdered Mayo in that All Ireland they won. It seems a bit mental hammering teams year in year out and then coming up short when it matters.
Mayo have let teams back into games in the past by not pressing home the advantage. Examples being Sligo and Dublin in 2012 and Dublin 2013.
On of the most pleasing aspects of yesterday was how we didn t get sloppy and complacent at any stage. Not as many silly passes and turnovers as usual.
Factor in lads playing for places as well. A welcome ruthlessness. Hopefully it will continue.
Did ye not concede 2-11? That would win a lot of games.
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
Mac2, over the years Mayo have hammered Ros (far too many times to mention), Galway, Donegal and now Sligo without any level of mercy. Sligo were beaten after 5 mins yesterday, could Mayo not have went easy on them in the second half. What was to be gained by hammering them into the ground? Mayo in the past have taken some severe hammerings from Cork and Kerry on the bigger days in Croke Park, I think its bad form to kick the living daylights out of a team in that merciless manner. Donegal have won an All Ireland in recent times, yet they never felt the need to trounce the opposition, they could have murdered Armagh this year, they choose not to. In fact they probably could have murdered Mayo in that All Ireland they won. It seems a bit mental hammering teams year in year out and then coming up short when it matters.
Can't agree with this at all it's far more condescending to the opposition to start taking it easy on them. You show more respect for the opposition by playing ball all the way through. If anything Mayo have been accused in the past of not being ruthless enough when we had teams on the rack. If a team takes us apart in the future I certainly won't be blaming them for going to town on us, the fault will lie with ourselves. We've been goaded all year that we were going to get done in Connacht, now we're at fault for winning by too much.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 03:04:12 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 02:47:00 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
Fermanagh are a better side than Sligo and will be playing in D2 next year.
There's damn all in it. Sligo finished the league very well. Did they not beat Armagh?
The thing Sligo were set up same v Ros as Mayo. So how come Ros did not do a number on them with their dodgy kick-out strategy obvious from the off. How come Senan didn t score 3 gaols against them seeing them so naïve? Why didn t Ros score 6-25 against the same Sligo with their superior forwards than ours and all?
In fairness there were Sligo fans on here thinking they had better forwards than us too.
Armagh played their b team that day, already promoted and nothing to play for. I'd say even Sligo supporters would admit that. Sligo very limited by a really poor hand in the middle. Fermanagh have a decent midfield and McGrath has done a good job moulding a solid outfit in Fermanagh over the last two seasons.
The signs for McDonnell being skinned alive by AOS were there in the semi, on one leg Kilbride won just about everything sent into him. What happened yesterday is ye could actually use all the ball you were getting in the middle.
Anyways, this thread is about 'Roscommon's next manager'. If Evans is gone I'd say the job will be McStay's if he actually wants it.
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Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
Mac2, over the years Mayo have hammered Ros (far too many times to mention), Galway, Donegal and now Sligo without any level of mercy. Sligo were beaten after 5 mins yesterday, could Mayo not have went easy on them in the second half. What was to be gained by hammering them into the ground? Mayo in the past have taken some severe hammerings from Cork and Kerry on the bigger days in Croke Park, I think its bad form to kick the living daylights out of a team in that merciless manner. Donegal have won an All Ireland in recent times, yet they never felt the need to trounce the opposition, they could have murdered Armagh this year, they choose not to. In fact they probably could have murdered Mayo in that All Ireland they won. It seems a bit mental hammering teams year in year out and then coming up short when it matters.
Mayo have let teams back into games in the past by not pressing home the advantage. Examples being Sligo and Dublin in 2012 and Dublin 2013.
On of the most pleasing aspects of yesterday was how we didn t get sloppy and complacent at any stage. Not as many silly passes and turnovers as usual.
Factor in lads playing for places as well. A welcome ruthlessness. Hopefully it will continue.
Did ye not concede 2-11? That would win a lot of games.
Yes. Sligo managed to beat Ros with the same total.
So we re obviously still not ruthless enough. Ideally we should have scored 10 - 40 and kept them scoreless.
Fair play moy. Yes we conceded 2-11 so we needed to score all we could. It mightn't be worth a shite next time out, but I was glad we showed no mercy yesterday. Our club got a coach down from Tyrone . His mantra, why not beat the opposition by 11 when you're 10 up. I'm sure he would bs impressed.
What did ye want Mayo to do? Kick 10 wides in the second half or what? By the way I felt really sorry for the Sligo fans, players and mgmt yesterday. That said I was delighted Mayo played so well from the hb line forward.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
I'm not from Roscommon
Quote from: Mac2 on July 20, 2015, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
Mac2, over the years Mayo have hammered Ros (far too many times to mention), Galway, Donegal and now Sligo without any level of mercy. Sligo were beaten after 5 mins yesterday, could Mayo not have went easy on them in the second half. What was to be gained by hammering them into the ground? Mayo in the past have taken some severe hammerings from Cork and Kerry on the bigger days in Croke Park, I think its bad form to kick the living daylights out of a team in that merciless manner. Donegal have won an All Ireland in recent times, yet they never felt the need to trounce the opposition, they could have murdered Armagh this year, they choose not to. In fact they probably could have murdered Mayo in that All Ireland they won. It seems a bit mental hammering teams year in year out and then coming up short when it matters.
Can't agree with this at all it's far more condescending to the opposition to start taking it easy on them. You show more respect for the opposition by playing ball all the way through. If anything Mayo have been accused in the past of not being ruthless enough when we had teams on the rack. If a team takes us apart in the future I certainly won't be blaming them for going to town on us, the fault will lie with ourselves. We've been goaded all year that we were going to get done in Connacht, now we're at fault for winning by too much.
Yeah but when you're 4-17 to 1-8 up you'd want to be a right p***k to keep going for goals, it was long over as a contest before then.
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Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
I'm not from Roscommon
Apologies. Silly of me. A Roscommon man would know better than the bit in bold above.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 04:33:25 PM
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2015, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
I'm not from Roscommon
Apologies. Silly of me. A Roscommon man would know better than the bit in bold above.
In fairness with most of the same Mayo players the lined out yesterday were given a game by Roscommon last year. Mayo were ruthless yesterday however any side that concedes 6-25 need to have hard look at themselves.
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Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2015, 01:46:54 PM
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
I'm not from Roscommon
Apologies. Silly of me. A Roscommon man would know better than the bit in bold above.
In fairness with most of the same Mayo players the lined out yesterday were given a game by Roscommon last year. Mayo were ruthless yesterday however any side that concedes 6-25 need to have hard look at themselves.
Different scenario yesterday. Horan's teams - apart from one year - were economical rather than punishing in Connacht.
As I said last week Holmes in particular could not afford not to win this Connacht and if were to lose to Sligo complacency would not be a factor. The new management had to put down a marker and convince the county they were the right choice. I think they may well have done that. A huge performance for the management team. I think Ros would have got a bit of a doing as well in Castlebar. If anything Mayo would have gone harder on Ros if we had them on the run. A bit like we did in 99 with a few more goals ;D
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Quote from: Mac2 on July 20, 2015, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
Mac2, over the years Mayo have hammered Ros (far too many times to mention), Galway, Donegal and now Sligo without any level of mercy. Sligo were beaten after 5 mins yesterday, could Mayo not have went easy on them in the second half. What was to be gained by hammering them into the ground? Mayo in the past have taken some severe hammerings from Cork and Kerry on the bigger days in Croke Park, I think its bad form to kick the living daylights out of a team in that merciless manner. Donegal have won an All Ireland in recent times, yet they never felt the need to trounce the opposition, they could have murdered Armagh this year, they choose not to. In fact they probably could have murdered Mayo in that All Ireland they won. It seems a bit mental hammering teams year in year out and then coming up short when it matters.
Can't agree with this at all it's far more condescending to the opposition to start taking it easy on them. You show more respect for the opposition by playing ball all the way through. If anything Mayo have been accused in the past of not being ruthless enough when we had teams on the rack. If a team takes us apart in the future I certainly won't be blaming them for going to town on us, the fault will lie with ourselves. We've been goaded all year that we were going to get done in Connacht, now we're at fault for winning by too much.
Yeah but when you're 4-17 to 1-8 up you'd want to be a right p***k to keep going for goals, it was long over as a contest before then.
Ye're feeling sore after a tanking but don't go calling us P***ks when teams Kerry or Dublin would've done the exact same thing. I didn't see any showboating or over-celebrating or jeering yesterday. If the ire is to be directed anywhere it should be at Carew for making it so easy for us.
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does anybody believe Roscommon would have set up as naively v Mayo as Sligo did?
A Roscommon team with the spine of their team fit would give Mayo a good game.
I do. And I was in Mark park. Sligo much better than Ros and Sligo played the same yesterday. They actually managed a second goal against us. Ye lost since against Fermanagh who are no better than Sligo. If ye had doubled up on O Se yed have been cut open by the runners anyway. As I said already ye dodged a right shoeing. Sligo took one for ye.
I'm not from Roscommon
Apologies. Silly of me. A Roscommon man would know better than the bit in bold above.
In fairness with most of the same Mayo players the lined out yesterday were given a game by Roscommon last year. Mayo were ruthless yesterday however any side that concedes 6-25 need to have hard look at themselves.
Different scenario yesterday. Horan's teams - apart from one year - were economical rather than punishing in Connacht.
As I said last week Holmes in particular could not afford not to win this Connacht and if were to lose to Sligo complacency would not be a factor. The new management had to put down a marker and convince the county they were the right choice. I think they may well have done that. A huge performance for the management team. I think Ros would have got a bit of a doing as well in Castlebar. If anything Mayo would have gone harder on Ros if we had them on the run. A bit like we did in 99 with a few more goals ;D
Having watched Mayo against Galway in June I didn't see a side looking to lay down a marker if anything it took a lucky goal to set Mayo on their way. The scenario yesterday was how poorly Sligo were set up they gave up the fight early only some of their forwards gave the required effort.
Sligo were set up same for Ros and it was good enough that evening. Sligo clearly set out to win the game not to keep the score down like Westmeath did. When they went down early they had to chase with a first half wind. Then they were wide open. It snowballed but Mayo were clinical enough to fillet them. Not sure we d have been able to do that last year.
True I wasn t too convinced by the Galway game but the sloppiness from that game was largely absent yesterday. We were clearly at a different pitch yesterday. Compare Parson's non-tackle on Sice to the superb defensive grafting he got through yesterday e.g. It was like of him, Seamie and others who got stuck in around the middle with the forwards pressing up remorselessly.
Also it was only repeated desperate fouling of Aidan by Finian Hanley that prevented goals in the Galway game too.
And ye same lads have the neck to complain about 'inflecting' Mayo threads with talk of Roscommon ;D
QuoteYe're feeling sore after a tanking but don't go calling us P***ks when teams Kerry or Dublin would've done the exact same thing.
It is a very non-Corinthian thing to do. Certain lack of class about running up big scores against inferior teams especially by going for goals when the game is completely done. You can justify it by saying it's what Dublin or Kerry would have done but actually I find Kerry when a game is won are quite happy to tap over points, when was the last time Kerry put six goals past an opponent? You can also justify it by ruthlessness/attitude etc but putting running big scores won't help win the games that matter.
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 05:51:09 PM
And ye same lads have the neck to complain about 'inflecting' Mayo threads with talk of Roscommon ;D
The only reason this thread was started was because rossfan though it such a shame that a team that beat Roscommon were lorried by 26 points by Mayo. His pride can t accept that and he is looking for a scapegoat in the manager. I m only pointing out how lucky he is that Sligo did beat Ros and spared him worse humiliation ;) So it is our business ;D
Besides anything Roscommon does should be closely observed for its entertainment value.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2015, 06:01:22 PM
QuoteYe're feeling sore after a tanking but don't go calling us P***ks when teams Kerry or Dublin would've done the exact same thing.
It is a very non-Corinthian thing to do. Certain lack of class about running up big scores against inferior teams especially by going for goals when the game is completely done. You can justify it by saying it's what Dublin or Kerry would have done but actually I find Kerry when a game is won are quite happy to tap over points, when was the last time Kerry put six goals past an opponent? You can also justify it by ruthlessness/attitude etc but putting running big scores won't help win the games that matter.
I actually thought we took the foot off the gas. Could easily have worked a few more if we wanted.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 05:49:24 PM
Sligo were set up same for Ros and it was good enough that evening. Sligo clearly set out to win the game not to keep the score down like Westmeath did. When they went down early they had to chase with a first half wind. Then they were wide open. It snowballed but Mayo were clinical enough to fillet them. Not sure we d have been able to do that last year.
True I wasn t too convinced by the Galway game but the sloppiness from that game was largely absent yesterday. We were clearly at a different pitch yesterday. Compare Parson's non-tackle on Sice to the superb defensive grafting he got through yesterday e.g. It was like of him, Seamie and others who got stuck in around the middle with the forwards pressing up remorselessly.
Also it was only repeated desperate fouling of Aidan by Finian Hanley that prevented goals in the Galway game too.
You are falling into the trap of judging Mayo too much on yesterdays mis match the game against Galway is a better judge for the more difficult games ahead. Sligo got off to a good start against Roscommon led for the majority game it is much easier sticking to a game plan or system in that scenario than yesterday when the contest was over after 8 minutes.
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 03:41:22 PM
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Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 03:29:39 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 03:18:19 PM
Mac2, over the years Mayo have hammered Ros (far too many times to mention), Galway, Donegal and now Sligo without any level of mercy. Sligo were beaten after 5 mins yesterday, could Mayo not have went easy on them in the second half. What was to be gained by hammering them into the ground? Mayo in the past have taken some severe hammerings from Cork and Kerry on the bigger days in Croke Park, I think its bad form to kick the living daylights out of a team in that merciless manner. Donegal have won an All Ireland in recent times, yet they never felt the need to trounce the opposition, they could have murdered Armagh this year, they choose not to. In fact they probably could have murdered Mayo in that All Ireland they won. It seems a bit mental hammering teams year in year out and then coming up short when it matters.
Mayo have let teams back into games in the past by not pressing home the advantage. Examples being Sligo and Dublin in 2012 and Dublin 2013.
On of the most pleasing aspects of yesterday was how we didn t get sloppy and complacent at any stage. Not as many silly passes and turnovers as usual.
Factor in lads playing for places as well. A welcome ruthlessness. Hopefully it will continue.
Did ye not concede 2-11? That would win a lot of games.
Yes. Sligo managed to beat Ros with the same total.
So we re obviously still not ruthless enough. Ideally we should have scored 10 - 40 and kept them scoreless.
A ruthless team would be pissed off about conceding 2 goals as well. Sligo weren't at the races yesterday and still managed 2-11.
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2015, 06:01:22 PM
QuoteYe're feeling sore after a tanking but don't go calling us P***ks when teams Kerry or Dublin would've done the exact same thing.
It is a very non-Corinthian thing to do. Certain lack of class about running up big scores against inferior teams especially by going for goals when the game is completely done. You can justify it by saying it's what Dublin or Kerry would have done but actually I find Kerry when a game is won are quite happy to tap over points, when was the last time Kerry put six goals past an opponent? You can also justify it by ruthlessness/attitude etc but putting running big scores won't help win the games that matter.
I presume the Dubs lack class so after putting 5-18 past ye.
I never saw Kerry let up, they were beating us out the gate in 2006 and Brosnan showed no mercy in booting in a late goal if he'd fisted it over the bar it wouldn't have made us feel any better. We win 5 in a row and we're called pr**ks and lack class, jeez you couldn't make it up.
Quote from: Mac2 on July 20, 2015, 06:48:54 PM
Quote from: Dinny Breen on July 20, 2015, 06:01:22 PM
QuoteYe're feeling sore after a tanking but don't go calling us P***ks when teams Kerry or Dublin would've done the exact same thing.
It is a very non-Corinthian thing to do. Certain lack of class about running up big scores against inferior teams especially by going for goals when the game is completely done. You can justify it by saying it's what Dublin or Kerry would have done but actually I find Kerry when a game is won are quite happy to tap over points, when was the last time Kerry put six goals past an opponent? You can also justify it by ruthlessness/attitude etc but putting running big scores won't help win the games that matter.
I presume the Dubs lack class so after putting 5-18 past ye.
I never saw Kerry let up, they were beating us out the gate in 2006 and Brosnan showed no mercy in booting in a late goal if he'd fisted it over the bar it wouldn't have made us feel any better. We win 5 in a row and we're called pr**ks and lack class, jeez you couldn't make it up.
Have to say I did not enjoy seeing Sligo getting so embarrassed. The thing is there are a few players on the team who are fighting for places. And want to put on a show to earn their place. That's what kept things busy right up to the end. Plus this is Mayos only competitive game in 8 weeks!
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 01:54:43 PM
You're going to look a bit of a tool if Evans stays Rossfan..
A history lesson for you childeen.
Back in 2004 when you were sucking your thumb and filling nappies I pleaded with a few members of the then Co Board Executive to thank TommyTom for his efforts and get him out of the place as he and the panel had gone as far as they could. They ignored me and we saw who the tools were the following March.
Summer 2007 (as Syfín prepares for Junior Infants) after Maughtan spent countless €thousands on a Portuguese training camp after which Sligo wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half and a Kildare team at rock bottom bet us handily I again pleaded with a couple of the Executive to thank Tanman for his efforts and send him on his way before there wasn't a € left in the County and what little football we had left was wiped out.
Again I was ignored and again we saw who the tools were the following March.
Year 3 of JE and we have little or no discernable gameplans, no defence or strategy or system to try and cope with the fact that we have few proper defenders, Championship defeats to Sligo and Fermanagh, , daft team selections and substitutions, now blaming Gary Wynne over things even though Gary only came in to a few sessions, a few other issues I'm not putting here for those pesky Rhubarbs to start jibing.
We stuttered through a lot of the League and only for Paddy O'Rourke we'd have finished mid table which would have kept feet on the ground and we'd prepare for the Sligo game instead of blathering about winning All Irelands in a few years.
As for " Ahhh but we're in Division 1" - if you lose to BOTH Fermanagh and Sligo you have no business in Division 1.
Anyway I feel that JE is not the man to take us any further, a new voice and tactics and preparation needed if we're to progress.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2015, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 01:54:43 PM
You're going to look a bit of a tool if Evans stays Rossfan..
A history lesson for you childeen.
Back in 2004 when you were sucking your thumb and filling nappies I pleaded with a few members of the then Co Board Executive to thank TommyTom for his efforts and get him out of the place as he and the panel had gone as far as they could. They ignored me and we saw who the tools were the following March.
Summer 2007 (as Syfín prepares for Junior Infants) after Maughtan spent countless €thousands on a Portuguese training camp after which Sligo wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half and a Kildare team at rock bottom bet us handily I again pleaded with a couple of the Executive to thank Tanman for his efforts and send him on his way before there wasn't a € left in the County and what little football we had left was wiped out.
Again I was ignored and again we saw who the tools were the following March.
Year 3 of JE and we have little or no discernable gameplans, no defence or strategy or system to try and cope with the fact that we have few proper defenders, Championship defeats to Sligo and Fermanagh, , daft team selections and substitutions, now blaming Gary Wynne over things even though Gary only came in to a few sessions, a few other issues I'm not putting here for those pesky Rhubarbs to start jibing.
We stuttered through a lot of the League and only for Paddy O'Rourke we'd have finished mid table which would have kept feet on the ground and we'd prepare for the Sligo game instead of blathering about winning All Irelands in a few years.
As for " Ahhh but we're in Division 1" - if you lose to BOTH Fermanagh and Sligo you have no business in Division 1.
Anyway I feel that JE is not the man to take us any further, a new voice and tactics and preparation needed if we're to progress.
John Evan has a tendency to (as my midland in-laws would say) open his mouth too wide. I don't think he's the man for to bring Roscommon on to another level. But in fairness he has done a decent job so far to get ye to the top table. I said it earlier in the year when Roscommon were playing out of their skins in the FBD, Div 2 and the under 21's were busy also, that ye had peaked. This has taken it's tole with injuries, players losing form and loss of focus for the Championship. To do well in the competitions named ye had to. There is no shame in this, all your eggs were put in basket for the earlier part of the season. The FBD gave confidence to doing well in Div 2 and the under 21's well they do what under 21's every year try to do...go as far in that Championship as they can. Evans deserves a year, he got ye to Div 1. Ye have a tough 7 games ahead! But hey, they'll make you or break you. And maybe even break and later on make you.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 20, 2015, 08:42:08 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2015, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 01:54:43 PM
You're going to look a bit of a tool if Evans stays Rossfan..
A history lesson for you childeen.
Back in 2004 when you were sucking your thumb and filling nappies I pleaded with a few members of the then Co Board Executive to thank TommyTom for his efforts and get him out of the place as he and the panel had gone as far as they could. They ignored me and we saw who the tools were the following March.
Summer 2007 (as Syfín prepares for Junior Infants) after Maughtan spent countless €thousands on a Portuguese training camp after which Sligo wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half and a Kildare team at rock bottom bet us handily I again pleaded with a couple of the Executive to thank Tanman for his efforts and send him on his way before there wasn't a € left in the County and what little football we had left was wiped out.
Again I was ignored and again we saw who the tools were the following March.
Year 3 of JE and we have little or no discernable gameplans, no defence or strategy or system to try and cope with the fact that we have few proper defenders, Championship defeats to Sligo and Fermanagh, , daft team selections and substitutions, now blaming Gary Wynne over things even though Gary only came in to a few sessions, a few other issues I'm not putting here for those pesky Rhubarbs to start jibing.
We stuttered through a lot of the League and only for Paddy O'Rourke we'd have finished mid table which would have kept feet on the ground and we'd prepare for the Sligo game instead of blathering about winning All Irelands in a few years.
As for " Ahhh but we're in Division 1" - if you lose to BOTH Fermanagh and Sligo you have no business in Division 1.
Anyway I feel that JE is not the man to take us any further, a new voice and tactics and preparation needed if we're to progress.
John Evan has a tendency to (as my midland in-laws would say) open his mouth too wide. I don't think he's the man for to bring Roscommon on to another level. But in fairness he has done a decent job so far to get ye to the top table. I said it earlier in the year when Roscommon were playing out of their skins in the FBD, Div 2 and the under 21's were busy also, that ye had peaked. This has taken it's tole with injuries, players losing form and loss of focus for the Championship. To do well in the competitions named ye had to. There is no shame in this, all your eggs were put in basket for the earlier part of the season. The FBD gave confidence to doing well in Div 2 and the under 21's well they do what under 21's every year try to do...go as far in that Championship as they can. Evans deserves a year, he got ye to Div 1. Ye have a tough 7 games ahead! But hey, they'll make you or break you. And maybe even break and later on make you.
If you actually saw us play in the league there is no way you'd say we were 'playing out of our skins' earlier in the year. The championship followed the same trend as the rest of the year, you just don't keep getting given second chances in knockout football.
Almost all of the major injuries happened after the Down league final and before the Sligo game, i.e. in training or in club league games. That needs to be looked at.
Haven't read this thread but after John Evans managed us, was absolutely brilliant but it went a bit stale then. I think now the time for roscommon to change. James horn looks the ideal candidate, he's the calibre of person I would like to see taking over in tipp or jack o Connor, sadly Horan would have too much travelling I'm sure and o Connor is committed to kerry under 21s
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2015, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 01:54:43 PM
You're going to look a bit of a tool if Evans stays Rossfan..
A history lesson for you childeen.
Back in 2004 when you were sucking your thumb and filling nappies I pleaded with a few members of the then Co Board Executive to thank TommyTom for his efforts and get him out of the place as he and the panel had gone as far as they could. They ignored me and we saw who the tools were the following March.
Summer 2007 (as Syfín prepares for Junior Infants) after Maughtan spent countless €thousands on a Portuguese training camp after which Sligo wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half and a Kildare team at rock bottom bet us handily I again pleaded with a couple of the Executive to thank Tanman for his efforts and send him on his way before there wasn't a € left in the County and what little football we had left was wiped out.
Again I was ignored and again we saw who the tools were the following March.
Year 3 of JE and we have little or no discernable gameplans, no defence or strategy or system to try and cope with the fact that we have few proper defenders, Championship defeats to Sligo and Fermanagh, , daft team selections and substitutions, now blaming Gary Wynne over things even though Gary only came in to a few sessions, a few other issues I'm not putting here for those pesky Rhubarbs to start jibing.
We stuttered through a lot of the League and only for Paddy O'Rourke we'd have finished mid table which would have kept feet on the ground and we'd prepare for the Sligo game instead of blathering about winning All Irelands in a few years.
As for " Ahhh but we're in Division 1" - if you lose to BOTH Fermanagh and Sligo you have no business in Division 1.
Anyway I feel that JE is not the man to take us any further, a new voice and tactics and preparation needed if we're to progress.
None of my business I know Rossfan, but did you offer any suggestions as to who you would want when you wanted Carr and Maughan out? Who would your preferred candidate be at this stage, taking into account the practicalities? McStay?
If only David Casey had a year or two as U21 manager under his belt.....
Back in 07 I told them to go after Fergal O'D.... They did 14 months later. ;)
I don't know if McStay would want the hassle as he has a handy little number with RTÉ at present.
Can't recall who was in the frame in 2004.
Quote from: tippabu on July 20, 2015, 09:50:48 PM
Haven't read this thread but after John Evans managed us, was absolutely brilliant but it went a bit stale then. I think now the time for roscommon to change. James horn looks the ideal candidate, he's the calibre of person I would like to see taking over in tipp or jack o Connor, sadly Horan would have too much travelling I'm sure and o Connor is committed to kerry under 21s
Remember the quality Horan had in Mayo. It was just that Johnno had disguised it so well.
I don t think he would have the same quality in Ros. It has been well hawked and hyped up already. I don t know enough of Tipp but they look like they need to play at a higher level to come on more.
Stephen Rochford is an obvious one. But take the wrong job and you re career as a manager will end fairly quickly. The expectations in Roscommon are massive but winning a Connacht title in the short/medium term will be a big task, no matter who manager is.
It ll also be interesting to see how Damien Mulligan gets on in management.
Fair enough Rossfan, it's just that (as you know well) people often complain about problems and don't have any suggestions themselves.
Was John Tobin manager in 2001?
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Was John Tobin manager in 2001?
Yes, the Derry hotel incident pretty much ended his interest. That bell boy did so much damage to our county :'(, the guy that spilled the beans about the harmless antics in the hotel that is
And here was me thinking the Rossies used lose the run of themselves but it seems to have spread into Mayo as well, ye are putting far too much emphasis on yesterday's game, do ye not realise how hopeless Sligo were, 4 or 5 of that team got a serious tanking at under 21 this year including the full back and both midfielders, ye are in for a serious shock when ye meet a decent team and it will be another year gone in yere quest for Sam.
Yes PUTF we know well that any half decent team will probably beat us. Especially if our full back line isn't sorted out. Which
I don't think it will.
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Was John Tobin manager in 2001?
Yes, the Derry hotel incident pretty much ended his interest. That bell boy did so much damage to our county :'(, the guy that spilled the beans about the harmless antics in the hotel that is
:o :o :o My God! What did they do to the bell boy in a hotel? Sheeesh.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on July 20, 2015, 11:02:28 PM
And here was me thinking the Rossies used lose the run of themselves but it seems to have spread into Mayo as well, ye are putting far too much emphasis on yesterday's game, do ye not realise how hopeless Sligo were, 4 or 5 of that team got a serious tanking at under 21 this year including the full back and both midfielders, ye are in for a serious shock when ye meet a decent team and it will be another year gone in yere quest for Sam.
No we re not we just enjoyed a game of football. You haven t a clue what emphasis I, for one, put on that game anyway. Yesterday's game and how we see it has no bearing on what happens next anyway. That should be obvious to anybody.
Anyway seeing ye all know how useless Sligo are I m sure ye took advantage of the occasion to make some easy money from the bookies. Easy money for everybody that saw that coming. How much did you make Flag?
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Was John Tobin manager in 2001?
Yes, the Derry hotel incident pretty much ended his interest. That bell boy did so much damage to our county :'(, the guy that spilled the beans about the harmless antics in the hotel that is
Didn't a load of the Ros players later get apologies and financial settlements from that newspaper?
Quote from: manfromdelmonte on July 20, 2015, 11:29:25 PM
Quote from: Rudi on July 20, 2015, 10:55:30 PM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 10:15:43 PM
Was John Tobin manager in 2001?
Yes, the Derry hotel incident pretty much ended his interest. That bell boy did so much damage to our county :'(, the guy that spilled the beans about the harmless antics in the hotel that is
Didn't a load of the Ros players later get apologies and financial settlements from that newspaper?
Something like that.
In fairness they were a mad bunch regardless. Could play a bit of ball when they caught the fancy too.
John Tobin got a coaching job with the Connacht Council in 02 and the we got TomTommy.
I wonder would Paul Early be in the frame........assuming a vacancy occurs.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2015, 11:36:33 PM
John Tobin got a coaching job with the Connacht Council in 02 and the we got TomTommy.
I wonder would Paul Early be in the frame........assuming a vacancy occurs.
Tommy Tom was a prize catch.
What did they do with the bell-boy though and how much did that cost?
Ros county board are in financial difficulties and struggling to make ends meet, there is no money in the coffers to pay a top management team unless a benefactor comes on board, we have no major sponsor,
club rossie on the jersey, if Evans goes the manager will have to come from within the county, its time for rossie fans to get real here, Mayo have spent in the region of 3 million euro on the senior team alone in the past 4 seasons, we are not in a position to compete with that and anything that is done will have to be done on a shoestring, those are the facts of life for Roscommon football. To all the rhubarbs sticking their nose in I say " 5 in a row and nothing to show", what will be yere excuses this year ref-venue-bad luck or maybe the real truth "just not good enough"
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 20, 2015, 11:50:56 PMwe have no major sponsor, club rossie on the jersey
You don't seem tuned in with the on goings of your own county?
http://www.gaaroscommon.ie/news/majorsponsorshipdealannounced
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 11:14:33 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on July 20, 2015, 11:02:28 PM
And here was me thinking the Rossies used lose the run of themselves but it seems to have spread into Mayo as well, ye are putting far too much emphasis on yesterday's game, do ye not realise how hopeless Sligo were, 4 or 5 of that team got a serious tanking at under 21 this year including the full back and both midfielders, ye are in for a serious shock when ye meet a decent team and it will be another year gone in yere quest for Sam.
No we re not we just enjoyed a game of football. You haven t a clue what emphasis I, for one, put on that game anyway. Yesterday's game and how we see it has no bearing on what happens next anyway. That should be obvious to anybody.
Anyway seeing ye all know how useless Sligo are I m sure ye took advantage of the occasion to make some easy money from the bookies. Easy money for everybody that saw that coming. How much did you make Flag?
Clearly you are putting a lot of emphasis on it when you keep referring back to what Mayo would have done to Roscommon yesterday. Its ridiculous and impossible to try to compare how another team would have performed yesterday.
Clubrossie is on the jersey but Tom Hunt is paying jersey sponsorship money.
Only about 40% renewed their memberships I'm told.
It gets more depressing by the day....
Its only a donation towards expenses by a generous Ros individual, a drop in the ocean towards what it takes to run a team, the jersey is still available but no proper sponsor can be found, its the facts of football life and we accept that, its not a complaint its just the facts, we will still be competitive next year regardless.
I reckon now that we've got our own thread, it could reach at least 100 pages..After all, the bus thread has reached 28 pages.. Keep it lit lads.
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on July 21, 2015, 12:06:09 AM
Quote from: moysider on July 20, 2015, 11:14:33 PM
Quote from: Put Up That Flag on July 20, 2015, 11:02:28 PM
And here was me thinking the Rossies used lose the run of themselves but it seems to have spread into Mayo as well, ye are putting far too much emphasis on yesterday's game, do ye not realise how hopeless Sligo were, 4 or 5 of that team got a serious tanking at under 21 this year including the full back and both midfielders, ye are in for a serious shock when ye meet a decent team and it will be another year gone in yere quest for Sam.
No we re not we just enjoyed a game of football. You haven t a clue what emphasis I, for one, put on that game anyway. Yesterday's game and how we see it has no bearing on what happens next anyway. That should be obvious to anybody.
Anyway seeing ye all know how useless Sligo are I m sure ye took advantage of the occasion to make some easy money from the bookies. Easy money for everybody that saw that coming. How much did you make Flag?
Clearly you are putting a lot of emphasis on it when you keep referring back to what Mayo would have done to Roscommon yesterday. Its ridiculous and impossible to try to compare how another team would have performed yesterday.
A > B. C > A. Therefore C>B.
Financially we're in way better shape than a few years ago. With the Hyde development coming up it mightn't stay that way.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 20, 2015, 11:50:56 PM
Ros county board are in financial difficulties and struggling to make ends meet, there is no money in the coffers to pay a top management team unless a benefactor comes on board, we have no major sponsor,
club rossie on the jersey, if Evans goes the manager will have to come from within the county, its time for rossie fans to get real here, Mayo have spent in the region of 3 million euro on the senior team alone in the past 4 seasons, we are not in a position to compete with that and anything that is done will have to be done on a shoestring, those are the facts of life for Roscommon football. To all the rhubarbs sticking their nose in I say " 5 in a row and nothing to show", what will be yere excuses this year ref-venue-bad luck or maybe the real truth "just not good enough"
Good enough yeah. The bit in bold are reasons we failed - not excuses. There is a difference.
Of course if we had a management that sold out and played ultra defensively we might not be having this discussion. If we did that it would reduce the risks with bent refs and venues that favour likes of Kerry and Dublin. Bad luck yeah - hopefully O Connor and AOS wont collide again any time soon. What's your excuse?
I have never made excuses on this or any other thread for Ros defeats, 31 counties will have only ifs at the end of September, it is the delusional supporters like Mayos that you have to either laugh at or feel sorry for, every county has a few of them but its rare to get a county full of them. Get out yere bag of excuses now and pick out a few, ye will need them shortly.
Getting back back to the thread title I personally don't think that Evans should be asked back for one more year but from what I'm hearing its his decision as he has a good bit of support from the powers that be.So he will make that call.
If he was to go then your options are limited in terms of quality at a low cost.
Maybe Horan or Mcstay depending on €€€.Alan Mulholland maybe he had a good track record at underage.
Inside the county apart from Fergal their isn't really anyone else.Casey maybe but would be a huge risk.
Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 01:12:09 PM
Getting back back to the thread title I personally don't think that Evans should be asked back for one more year but from what I'm hearing its his decision as he has a good bit of support from the powers that be.So he will make that call.
If he was to go then your options are limited in terms of quality at a low cost.
Maybe Horan or Mcstay depending on €€€.Alan Mulholland maybe he had a good track record at underage.
Inside the county apart from Fergal their isn't really anyone else.Casey maybe but would be a huge risk.
Alan Mullholland!! We've plenty of managers of our own with good underage records if that's the height of our ambitions.
Evans is a better choice than that sort of manager. Casey, Dowd are good managers but Casey is probably too raw yet and Dowd has only had one year at U21 so far.
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 01:12:09 PM
Getting back back to the thread title I personally don't think that Evans should be asked back for one more year but from what I'm hearing its his decision as he has a good bit of support from the powers that be.So he will make that call.
If he was to go then your options are limited in terms of quality at a low cost.
Maybe Horan or Mcstay depending on €€€.Alan Mulholland maybe he had a good track record at underage.
Inside the county apart from Fergal their isn't really anyone else.Casey maybe but would be a huge risk.
Alan Mullholland!! We've plenty of managers of our own with good underage records if that's the height of our ambitions.
Evans is a better choice than that sort of manager. Casey, Dowd are good managers but Casey is probably too raw yet and Dowd has only had one year at U21 so far.
Really who then??
At least Mulholland won all irelands.He certainly would be down my list of prefernces but at least he has a decent CV.
The under age coaches at U21 and Minor level the last number of years(bar FOD) have been only average and possibly we would have won a few more all Irelands if we had men in charge who knew how to win something and not just promoting people from development squads.
I wouldn't let some of our past Minor and U21 managers within an asses roar of the senior job.
Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2015, 01:17:59 PM
Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 01:12:09 PM
Getting back back to the thread title I personally don't think that Evans should be asked back for one more year but from what I'm hearing its his decision as he has a good bit of support from the powers that be.So he will make that call.
If he was to go then your options are limited in terms of quality at a low cost.
Maybe Horan or Mcstay depending on €€€.Alan Mulholland maybe he had a good track record at underage.
Inside the county apart from Fergal their isn't really anyone else.Casey maybe but would be a huge risk.
Alan Mullholland!! We've plenty of managers of our own with good underage records if that's the height of our ambitions.
Evans is a better choice than that sort of manager. Casey, Dowd are good managers but Casey is probably too raw yet and Dowd has only had one year at U21 so far.
Really who then??
At least Mulholland won all irelands.He certainly would be down my list of prefernces but at least he has a decent CV.
The under age coaches at U21 and Minor level the last number of years(bar FOD) have been only average and possibly we would have won a few more all Irelands if we had men in charge who knew how to win something and not just promoting people from development squads.
I wouldn't let some of our past Minor and U21 managers within an asses roar of the senior job.
I'd rate him doing a poor job with the Galway seniors more than I would winning an underage AI.
His team was were regularly tactically inept, hardly who you'd want to fix a defence heading into D1. Galway's attempt at a blanket defence in last summer's Connacht final made our defence look like Donegal's in comparison.
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
Possibly jury still out but would probably take the risk with him.
Personally i just think the current squad need a different voice/voices around it and a different approach.
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Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
To be honest I don't know how anyone can judge that. Mulholland did win minor and U-21 All-Ireland's. Did get Galway to the quarter-finals last year. Was probably put in an unfortunate position of having to blood a load of youngsters into the Galway senior setup who physically were always going to take time to develop. The person always likely to benefit from that was his successors rather than himself. He didn't show much tactical acumen at senior level but he had a difficult job in fairness.
After Mayo slaughtered Galway two years ago I was cursing him but we could have got every single player behind the ball that day and still got trounced. Physically we were not near Mayo's level. But two years later we could hang with them in the physicality stakes. An unenviable task to bring through young players knowing you are likely to be gone by the time they mature as senior players.
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Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Quote from: Syferus on July 21, 2015, 02:53:23 PM
Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Dowd in his one season with Ballagh in 2012 won a Mayo senior without Andy Moran and beat the Sligo champions in the Connacht semi-final, only losing to the Brigids team that won the AI. He wasn't manager in 2008 (that was Frank Kelly) when Ballagh lost to Eastern Harps so you're way off-base.
Dowd has a lot of experience at underage with nearly every player on the senior panel. In the event of Evans being gone he's easily in the top three in-county options, and well ahead of what someone like Mulholland can offer us.
Easywith the hype Syfín.
He didn't excel himself on the line v Tyrone.
Also I'm told he was wearing a fcukn Connacht effin RUBBY cap that evening on the line.
That's him gone as far as I'm concerned. >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on July 21, 2015, 05:51:35 PM
Easywith the hype Syfín.
He didn't excel himself on the line v Tyrone.
Also I'm told he was wearing a fcukn Connacht effin RUBBY cap that evening on the line.
That's him gone as far as I'm concerned. >:(
Well, we were playing against Tyrone..
Yellow bus cant believe you want to replace John Evans with Mulholland. Talk about change for the sake of change.
Mulholland showed nothing in 3 years to suggest he'd make a successful manager at this level. As for Galway getting to a quarter final last year winning 2 championship games against Sligo and Tipp is nothing to gloat about. He also appeared to fall out with players easily with both Sice and Duane dropped from the panel last year. I realise Galway were a team in transition but he never shows anything tactically to suggest he could see the job through.
What about Fergal O'Donnell having a second term? He had us competitive inside and outside of Connacht.. 2009 didn't go well, but the Connacht title of 2010 could and should have been followed by another on that wet day in 2011. In the 2010 AIQF, we led Cork after 45 mins, losing by 5 or 6 pts. Cork won the All Ireland...In 2011, we had a very competitive qualifier with Tyrone in Croke Park before 2 late goals flattered Tyrone..Nowadays, we can't beat Sligo and Fermanagh. Unfortunately, Fergal's league record wasn't that great.
Quote from: Shrewdness on July 21, 2015, 09:48:43 PM
What about Fergal O'Donnell having a second term? He had us competitive inside and outside of Connacht.. 2009 didn't go well, but the Connacht title of 2010 could and should have been followed by another on that wet day in 2011. In the 2010 AIQF, we led Cork after 45 mins, losing by 5 or 6 pts. Cork won the All Ireland...In 2011, we had a very competitive qualifier with Tyrone in Croke Park before 2 late goals flattered Tyrone..Nowadays, we can't beat Sligo and Fermanagh. Unfortunately, Fergal's league record wasn't that great.
FOD and the CB were a bit testy, iirc. I doubt if he ever returned that it would be before Fahy was gone, who in fairness has overseen some very positive changes the last two seasons. FOD also alluded to thinking managing your county was a thing you only do once when he stepped away in 2011.
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Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Dowd in his one season with Ballagh in 2012 won a Mayo senior without Andy Moran and beat the Sligo champions in the Connacht semi-final, only losing to the Brigids team that won the AI. He wasn't manager in 2008 (that was Frank Kelly) when Ballagh lost to Eastern Harps so you're way off-base.
Dowd has a lot of experience at underage with nearly every player on the senior panel. In the event of Evans being gone he's easily in the top three in-county options, and well ahead of what someone like Mulholland can offer us.
My apologies on 2008. But he is still 0 for 2 in his Connacht finals. Again, I hope he goes on to be a great manager but has a bit to go yet.
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Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Dowd in his one season with Ballagh in 2012 won a Mayo senior without Andy Moran and beat the Sligo champions in the Connacht semi-final, only losing to the Brigids team that won the AI. He wasn't manager in 2008 (that was Frank Kelly) when Ballagh lost to Eastern Harps so you're way off-base.
Dowd has a lot of experience at underage with nearly every player on the senior panel. In the event of Evans being gone he's easily in the top three in-county options, and well ahead of what someone like Mulholland can offer us.
My apologies on 2008. But he is still 0 for 2 in his Connacht finals. Again, I hope he goes on to be a great manager but has a bit to go yet.
He's 1 for 2 in Connacht finals.. maybe you'll get his record right on the third attempt ;)
Peter Forde.
Should have got Mayo job twice but blazers have a long memory and he was never going to get the gig.
Had an impossible job after Johnno but was practical and saw what had to be done. But Galway were not ready to evolve and it seems even Kevin Walsh's more defensive approach is not going down among the cognoscenti in the part of the county that plays football.
Forde should be considered.
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Peter Forde.
Should have got Mayo job twice but blazers have a long memory and he was never going to get the gig.
Had an impossible job after Johnno but was practical and saw what had to be done. But Galway were not ready to evolve and it seems even Kevin Walsh's more defensive approach is not going down among the cognoscenti in the part of the county that plays football.
Forde should be considered.
70% Evans stays, 30% he goes I'd say. CB sounds like they back him so the decision is likely his to make.
Forde, Mullholland are names we can do better than in the county. If we went outside the county it should only be for the very best managers in the country and seeing as we're not Mayo that means a local appointment is more likely.
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Peter Forde.
Should have got Mayo job twice but blazers have a long memory and he was never going to get the gig.
Had an impossible job after Johnno but was practical and saw what had to be done. But Galway were not ready to evolve and it seems even Kevin Walsh's more defensive approach is not going down among the cognoscenti in the part of the county that plays football.
Forde should be considered.
70% Evans stays, 30% he goes I'd say. CB sounds like they back him so the decision is likely his to make.
Forde, Mullholland are names we can do better than in the county. If we went outside the county it should only be for the very best managers in the country and seeing as we're not Mayo that means a local appointment is more likely.
Mayo have never appointed the best managers in the country - unfortunately.
Believe me, Forde is a different level to Mulholland. You won t have to listen to embarrassing guff for a start but different league.
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Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Dowd in his one season with Ballagh in 2012 won a Mayo senior without Andy Moran and beat the Sligo champions in the Connacht semi-final, only losing to the Brigids team that won the AI. He wasn't manager in 2008 (that was Frank Kelly) when Ballagh lost to Eastern Harps so you're way off-base.
Dowd has a lot of experience at underage with nearly every player on the senior panel. In the event of Evans being gone he's easily in the top three in-county options, and well ahead of what someone like Mulholland can offer us.
My apologies on 2008. But he is still 0 for 2 in his Connacht finals. Again, I hope he goes on to be a great manager but has a bit to go yet.
He's 1 for 2 in Connacht finals.. maybe you'll get his record right on the third attempt ;)
Ah yes. Should have been 0 for 2 in his biggest tests, one being All-Ireland semi where he was outwitted by Tyrone sideline. Not meant to be a personal attack, I appreciate his role in 2006 Minor victory. I am not sure if he is right man for u21 next year but let's see what he can do with a strong U21 panel next year before we anoint him next senior manager.
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Peter Forde.
Should have got Mayo job twice but blazers have a long memory and he was never going to get the gig.
Had an impossible job after Johnno but was practical and saw what had to be done. But Galway were not ready to evolve and it seems even Kevin Walsh's more defensive approach is not going down among the cognoscenti in the part of the county that plays football.
Forde should be considered.
70% Evans stays, 30% he goes I'd say. CB sounds like they back him so the decision is likely his to make.
Forde, Mullholland are names we can do better than in the county. If we went outside the county it should only be for the very best managers in the country and seeing as we're not Mayo that means a local appointment is more likely.
Mayo have never appointed the best managers in the country - unfortunately.
Believe me, Forde is a different level to Mulholland. You won t have to listen to embarrassing guff for a start but different league.
I meant money-wise, the big names want lots and lots of money to build what is essentially a professional back-room team. We have to cut our cloth differently to Dublin or even Mayo.
Forde was decent but not great as a manager at IC. I'd just prefer getting someone at home that believes in the project before going for someone outside like Forde.
Fergal's young family situation rules out Co management any time soon.
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Quote from: theyellowbus on July 21, 2015, 02:47:04 PM
I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Dowd in his one season with Ballagh in 2012 won a Mayo senior without Andy Moran and beat the Sligo champions in the Connacht semi-final, only losing to the Brigids team that won the AI. He wasn't manager in 2008 (that was Frank Kelly) when Ballagh lost to Eastern Harps so you're way off-base.
Dowd has a lot of experience at underage with nearly every player on the senior panel. In the event of Evans being gone he's easily in the top three in-county options, and well ahead of what someone like Mulholland can offer us.
My apologies on 2008. But he is still 0 for 2 in his Connacht finals. Again, I hope he goes on to be a great manager but has a bit to go yet.
He's 1 for 2 in Connacht finals.. maybe you'll get his record right on the third attempt ;)
Ah yes. Should have been 0 for 2 in his biggest tests, one being All-Ireland semi where he was outwitted by Tyrone sideline. Not meant to be a personal attack, I appreciate his role in 2006 Minor victory. I am not sure if he is right man for u21 next year but let's see what he can do with a strong U21 panel next year before we anoint him next senior manager.
Ye have to stop the U21 stuff anyway. I m watching the Good Food channel now and that is about as relevant as U21 football. Or its managers. Somebody was promoting Mulholland because he won underage but all I remember him as a senior Galway manager was being cocky (for a while) and promoting his Daddy's bookmaking business with some gimmick or other before a Mayo/Galway championship match.
Forde was a genuine suggestion.
How about Stephen Rochford for job? Done great job with Corofin
Underage and Sigerson is for gasùinìns. The FBD and NFL is for maneens but it takes MEN to win Senior Championships.
We have a lot of stepping up to do but with the right management we can do it.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 22, 2015, 01:20:26 AM
How about Stephen Rochford for job? Done great job with Corofin
Mentioned him earlier. Hopefully Mayo will get him. But he may have been snubbed already for an underage gig. We re inclined to mess it up.
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I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Dowd in his one season with Ballagh in 2012 won a Mayo senior without Andy Moran and beat the Sligo champions in the Connacht semi-final, only losing to the Brigids team that won the AI. He wasn't manager in 2008 (that was Frank Kelly) when Ballagh lost to Eastern Harps so you're way off-base.
Dowd has a lot of experience at underage with nearly every player on the senior panel. In the event of Evans being gone he's easily in the top three in-county options, and well ahead of what someone like Mulholland can offer us.
My apologies on 2008. But he is still 0 for 2 in his Connacht finals. Again, I hope he goes on to be a great manager but has a bit to go yet.
He's 1 for 2 in Connacht finals.. maybe you'll get his record right on the third attempt ;)
Ah yes. Should have been 0 for 2 in his biggest tests, one being All-Ireland semi where he was outwitted by Tyrone sideline. Not meant to be a personal attack, I appreciate his role in 2006 Minor victory. I am not sure if he is right man for u21 next year but let's see what he can do with a strong U21 panel next year before we anoint him next senior manager.
Ye have to stop the U21 stuff anyway. I m watching the Good Food channel now and that is about as relevant as U21 football. Or its managers. Somebody was promoting Mulholland because he won underage but all I remember him as a senior Galway manager was being cocky (for a while) and promoting his Daddy's bookmaking business with some gimmick or other before a Mayo/Galway championship match.
Forde was a genuine suggestion.
Did Mayo's 2006 All-Ireland have no relevance in the overall scheme of things? Not to mention the total dominance in Connacht at this grade for the second half of that decade.
Did those All-Ireland's in early 80s when Johno unearthed players like Noel Durkin play a part in the strong senior team that emerged from 85-89?
Come on you just want us to let you start winning those again.
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I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Dowd in his one season with Ballagh in 2012 won a Mayo senior without Andy Moran and beat the Sligo champions in the Connacht semi-final, only losing to the Brigids team that won the AI. He wasn't manager in 2008 (that was Frank Kelly) when Ballagh lost to Eastern Harps so you're way off-base.
Dowd has a lot of experience at underage with nearly every player on the senior panel. In the event of Evans being gone he's easily in the top three in-county options, and well ahead of what someone like Mulholland can offer us.
My apologies on 2008. But he is still 0 for 2 in his Connacht finals. Again, I hope he goes on to be a great manager but has a bit to go yet.
He's 1 for 2 in Connacht finals.. maybe you'll get his record right on the third attempt ;)
Ah yes. Should have been 0 for 2 in his biggest tests, one being All-Ireland semi where he was outwitted by Tyrone sideline. Not meant to be a personal attack, I appreciate his role in 2006 Minor victory. I am not sure if he is right man for u21 next year but let's see what he can do with a strong U21 panel next year before we anoint him next senior manager.
Ye have to stop the U21 stuff anyway. I m watching the Good Food channel now and that is about as relevant as U21 football. Or its managers. Somebody was promoting Mulholland because he won underage but all I remember him as a senior Galway manager was being cocky (for a while) and promoting his Daddy's bookmaking business with some gimmick or other before a Mayo/Galway championship match.
Forde was a genuine suggestion.
Did Mayo's 2006 All-Ireland have no relevance in the overall scheme of things? Not to mention the total dominance in Connacht at this grade for the second half of that decade.
Did those All-Ireland's in early 80s when Johno unearthed players like Noel Durkin play a part in the strong senior team that emerged from 85-89?
Come on you just want us to let you start winning those again.
Nope. Belt away.
Likes of Keegan, Vaughan. McLoughlin, DOC were on modest enough teams. All about the player.
That AI minor team of ours that won in 2013. We might get one or two more but could take a couple of years. Of course we remember people wanted the whole ff line made senior straight away ::)
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I aint saying he is a genius simply making the point that he is still better than what we have within the county and is going to be the type of manager our CB will be looking at considering finances etc.
Unless we can unlock a gem in our county or persuade a mickey harte or Jim mcguinness type manager (probably impossible) then the likes of the type of manager like mulholland (good underage but with senior inter county experience) is more than likely what we will end up with.
Dowd is a better manager than Mulholland.
He's had 3 big matches as a manager that I am aware of - 2 Connacht club championship games with Ballaghaderreen and 1 All-Ireland U21 with Roscommon. On 2 of those occasions his team were favourites to win and they lost on both occasionss to Eastern Harps and Tyrone. How you can say he is a better manager than Mulholland who has won All-Ireland U21s is beyond me. I hope he goes on to be a great Roscommon manager but let's no build him up until he has the results to justify it. Time we learned our lesson in Roscommon to stop hyping up everything under the "sun".
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Dowd in his one season with Ballagh in 2012 won a Mayo senior without Andy Moran and beat the Sligo champions in the Connacht semi-final, only losing to the Brigids team that won the AI. He wasn't manager in 2008 (that was Frank Kelly) when Ballagh lost to Eastern Harps so you're way off-base.
Dowd has a lot of experience at underage with nearly every player on the senior panel. In the event of Evans being gone he's easily in the top three in-county options, and well ahead of what someone like Mulholland can offer us.
My apologies on 2008. But he is still 0 for 2 in his Connacht finals. Again, I hope he goes on to be a great manager but has a bit to go yet.
He's 1 for 2 in Connacht finals.. maybe you'll get his record right on the third attempt ;)
Ah yes. Should have been 0 for 2 in his biggest tests, one being All-Ireland semi where he was outwitted by Tyrone sideline. Not meant to be a personal attack, I appreciate his role in 2006 Minor victory. I am not sure if he is right man for u21 next year but let's see what he can do with a strong U21 panel next year before we anoint him next senior manager.
Ye have to stop the U21 stuff anyway. I m watching the Good Food channel now and that is about as relevant as U21 football. Or its managers. Somebody was promoting Mulholland because he won underage but all I remember him as a senior Galway manager was being cocky (for a while) and promoting his Daddy's bookmaking business with some gimmick or other before a Mayo/Galway championship match.
Forde was a genuine suggestion.
Did Mayo's 2006 All-Ireland have no relevance in the overall scheme of things? Not to mention the total dominance in Connacht at this grade for the second half of that decade.
Did those All-Ireland's in early 80s when Johno unearthed players like Noel Durkin play a part in the strong senior team that emerged from 85-89?
Come on you just want us to let you start winning those again.
Nope. Belt away.
Likes of Keegan, Vaughan. McLoughlin, DOC were on modest enough teams. All about the player.
That AI minor team of ours that won in 2013. We might get one or two more but could take a couple of years. Of course we remember people wanted the whole ff line made senior straight away ::)
Tommy Conroy was very impressive on that 2013 team.Will he get a run next year with seniors?Thought he would got a chance this year
Quote from: Gael85 on July 22, 2015, 01:20:26 AM
How about Stephen Rochford for job? Done great job with Corofin
Don't be givin them ideas
If John Evans ever read this thread, he'd have a good laugh at the whole lot of us..You can nearly hear him saying, '' yerra lads, i never knew there was a vacancy in Roscommon''.. The reality at this stage is that he's staying on..Firstly, if the rumours are true, it seems as if the Co Board want everyone to remain in place.. Secondly, imo, if he himself was going to step down, i believe he would have done so by now.
Good Oul Co Board. Don't be putting any Oul trouble on ourselves by looking for a new manager.
Sure everything will be alright on the night.
If I was going from Ros town to Galway and found myself in Longford I'd change direction.
Quote from: Gael85 on July 22, 2015, 01:20:26 AM
How about Stephen Rochford for job? Done great job with Corofin
he is someone who has been mentioned on the tipp forum as a potential person to take over for us.
Quote from: giveballaghback on July 21, 2015, 09:17:50 PM
Yellow bus cant believe you want to replace John Evans with Mulholland. Talk about change for the sake of change.
I don't think Mulholland should be the first man for the post if it becomes vacant.
I merely said he was an option and a fairly average one at that but still better than nearly everyone inside the county bar maybe FOD.
The likes of him is what our CB will be looking at because we don't have the resources for someone considered top class.
In choosing a manager to replace Evans whether it be this year or next year our CB have a big job on their hands because it will determine how successful we become in terms of championship in the following 2/3 years.Meaning provincial success and breaking into the top eight in the country.
As a hypothetical question,
If Evans stays on, and if Roscommon stay in Div 1 next year, and if Roscommon win the connacht title next year, would Roscommon people still want rid of Evans at the end of next year?
In all honesty id have to say yes because by the following year it would all have gone stale anyway.Very few managers have it in them to keep bringing the same bunch of lads along with them and instilling in them the same drive and hunger to produce regularly in the championship.
I hope all that happens for Evans sake alone because one thing is for sure he has given the county of Roscommon a lot of effort and time in terms of trying to make us into a top footballing side.
Westbound, if Ros stay in Div 1 and win Connacht, we'd definitely want him to stay on.. But therein lies our problem with him. We're nowhere near winning Connacht with him and haven't even reached a provincial final in the 3 yrs he's been there. This year was unforgiveable.
That's it in a nutshell Shrewdín.
I'd say his stock fairly plummeted from ten past four on Sunday among those who had been supporting him till then.
Its funny.
A lot of the Ros crowd would like to see McStay get the job.
And a lot of the Mayo crowd wouldn't like this as they seem to want him for their own.
Personally I don't understand either of these viewpoints.
Surely everyone would accept that McStay has little or no experience at Inter County level. OK yes at club (once to my mind) but frankly it's totally different.
And following on from that there is no guarantee that he would be the "be all and end all" for Ross.
Or that he would be any better in Mayo for that matter.
Quote from: Nihilist on July 22, 2015, 01:02:44 PM
Its funny.
A lot of the Ros crowd would like to see McStay get the job.
And a lot of the Mayo crowd wouldn't like this as they seem to want him for their own.
Personally I don't understand either of these viewpoints.
Surely everyone would accept that McStay has little or no experience at Inter County level. OK yes at club (once to my mind) but frankly it's totally different.
And following on from that there is no guarantee that he would be the "be all and end all" for Ross.
Or that he would be any better in Mayo for that matter.
As opposed to lads like Jim Gavin, James Horan, Eamonn Fitzmaurice, Jim McGuinness when they took over?
I'd take the potential of someone with a good club or underage record like McStay or Dowd over the level of 'proven' manager we'd likely attract. We got somewhat lucky in that Evans turned out not to a bad sort but we've been burnt by that route too many times.
Just looked back at Roscommon finances for 2014 and including all sponsorship, club Rossie money and a small profit on the famous bus (take note all bus knockers) we still had total income of just under 200k.
Big management teams not doable on those figures. Its just plain reality lads, put the best we can together on our limited resourses, prepare the best we can and go out and give a good account of ourselves. That is the very most we can expect. Evans will get another season and if the management team has learned from mistakes made this season then it should be ok, in other words as good as anything else we could put together on that budget. Until the gaa levels the playing pitch (excuse the pun) there will be different level of prep in most counties, there will always be exceptions with teams of little resources getting good runs and lets hope we can do that next year.
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2015, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on July 22, 2015, 01:02:44 PM
Its funny.
A lot of the Ros crowd would like to see McStay get the job.
And a lot of the Mayo crowd wouldn't like this as they seem to want him for their own.
Personally I don't understand either of these viewpoints.
Surely everyone would accept that McStay has little or no experience at Inter County level. OK yes at club (once to my mind) but frankly it's totally different.
And following on from that there is no guarantee that he would be the "be all and end all" for Ross.
Or that he would be any better in Mayo for that matter.
As opposed to lads like Jim Gavin, James Horan, Eamonn Fitzmaurice, Jim McGuinness when they took over?
I'd take the potential of someone with a good club or underage record like McStay or Dowd over the level of 'proven' manager we'd likely attract. We got somewhat lucky in that Evans turned out not to a bad sort but we've been burnt by that route too many times.
H'mm.
Of the guys you have mentioned there.........
Jim Gavin - Managed and won U21 all Ireland prior to taking over at Senior. Also inherited an AI winning team not to mention resources which Dubs have and all the rest. I think nearly anyone managing that team would have a decent chance (even Tommy Carr)
Jim McGuinness - Managed and guided Donegal U21 to All Ireland final prior to taking over at Senior so would have known and been respected by a majority of players.
Eamonn Fitz - Selector under Jack O'Connor and highly respected player. Coached Hogan stand winners the year previous to taking over if I'm not mistaken.
James Horan - brought Ballintubber across the line for first time ever. (If anything he is the only real exception in the 4 you listed. )
I wouldn't bracket McStay with anyone above. Closest is Horan but I would choose Horan any day over McStay.
Quote from: Nihilist on July 22, 2015, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2015, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on July 22, 2015, 01:02:44 PM
Its funny.
A lot of the Ros crowd would like to see McStay get the job.
And a lot of the Mayo crowd wouldn't like this as they seem to want him for their own.
Personally I don't understand either of these viewpoints.
Surely everyone would accept that McStay has little or no experience at Inter County level. OK yes at club (once to my mind) but frankly it's totally different.
And following on from that there is no guarantee that he would be the "be all and end all" for Ross.
Or that he would be any better in Mayo for that matter.
As opposed to lads like Jim Gavin, James Horan, Eamonn Fitzmaurice, Jim McGuinness when they took over?
I'd take the potential of someone with a good club or underage record like McStay or Dowd over the level of 'proven' manager we'd likely attract. We got somewhat lucky in that Evans turned out not to a bad sort but we've been burnt by that route too many times.
H'mm.
Of the guys you have mentioned there.........
Jim Gavin - Managed and won U21 all Ireland prior to taking over at Senior. Also inherited an AI winning team not to mention resources which Dubs have and all the rest. I think nearly anyone managing that team would have a decent chance (even Tommy Carr)
Jim McGuinness - Managed and won U21 All Ireland prior to taking over at Senior so would have known and been respected by a majority of players.
Eamonn Fitz - Selector under Jack O'Connor and highly respected player. Coached Hogan stand winners the year previous to taking over if I'm not mistaken.
James Horan - brought Ballintubber across the line for first time ever. (If anything he is the only real exception in the 4 you listed. )
I wouldn't bracket McStay with anyone above. Closest is Horan but I would choose Horan any day over McStay.
Lost final.
McStay got Mayo to an AI u-21 final in 2001 that lost to Tyrone.
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 22, 2015, 02:53:19 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on July 22, 2015, 02:49:36 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 22, 2015, 01:41:53 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on July 22, 2015, 01:02:44 PM
Its funny.
A lot of the Ros crowd would like to see McStay get the job.
And a lot of the Mayo crowd wouldn't like this as they seem to want him for their own.
Personally I don't understand either of these viewpoints.
Surely everyone would accept that McStay has little or no experience at Inter County level. OK yes at club (once to my mind) but frankly it's totally different.
And following on from that there is no guarantee that he would be the "be all and end all" for Ross.
Or that he would be any better in Mayo for that matter.
As opposed to lads like Jim Gavin, James Horan, Eamonn Fitzmaurice, Jim McGuinness when they took over?
I'd take the potential of someone with a good club or underage record like McStay or Dowd over the level of 'proven' manager we'd likely attract. We got somewhat lucky in that Evans turned out not to a bad sort but we've been burnt by that route too many times.
H'mm.
Of the guys you have mentioned there.........
Jim Gavin - Managed and won U21 all Ireland prior to taking over at Senior. Also inherited an AI winning team not to mention resources which Dubs have and all the rest. I think nearly anyone managing that team would have a decent chance (even Tommy Carr)
Jim McGuinness - Managed and won U21 All Ireland prior to taking over at Senior so would have known and been respected by a majority of players.
Eamonn Fitz - Selector under Jack O'Connor and highly respected player. Coached Hogan Cup winners the year previous to taking over if I'm not mistaken.
James Horan - brought Ballintubber across the line for first time ever. (If anything he is the only real exception in the 4 you listed. )
I wouldn't bracket McStay with anyone above. Closest is Horan but I would choose Horan any day over McStay.
Lost final.
McStay got Mayo to an AI u-21 final in 2001 that lost to Tyrone.
Fair enough I had researched that wrong about McGuinness. He too is an exception. But 2001 is a long time ago now and a lot has changed in football in the meantime.
Eamonn Fitzmaurice was Kerry U21 manager for a year as well - they lost to Cork in the Munster final by a point (the previous year was the year Kerry lost to Cork by something like 20 points at the same grade)
Word in the bushes is JE and Kearns to be reappointed but a new backroom team.
I expect Syfín and me self to be getting phone calls shortly ;)
Surprised that Evans has gone at this stage. It's a month since the shambles in Enniskillen. He recently met Co Board Executive and expressed the desire for another year. This was approved by the Executive and was to be rubber stamped at tonight's meeting of club delegates. There were rumours of opposition in some clubs, but Evans' stance was unexpected.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 12, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
Surprised that Evans has gone at this stage. It's a month since the shambles in Enniskillen. He recently met Co Board Executive and expressed the desire for another year. This was approved by the Executive and was to be rubber stamped at tonight's meeting of club delegates. There were rumours of opposition in some clubs, but Evans' stance was unexpected.
This is the most dangerous moment for Roscommon football since Maughan. A mistake or a long drawn out selection process will mean D1 might as well be a write off.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 12, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
Surprised that Evans has gone at this stage. It's a month since the shambles in Enniskillen. He recently met Co Board Executive and expressed the desire for another year. This was approved by the Executive and was to be rubber stamped at tonight's meeting of club delegates. There were rumours of opposition in some clubs, but Evans' stance was unexpected.
There was quite a bit of opposition mounting over last weekend.
I suspect Johneen didn't want to take it on if there was a load of opposition in the wings.
Left us better than he found us but League success is no good if you can't produce the goods in Summer.
We were very poor in this year's Championship and it was obvious to many that JE simply wasn't the man to take us any further.
It would have been better if he'd stood down a couple of weeks ago.
Thanks John andgood luck at whatever gig you take next.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2015, 06:25:18 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 12, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
Surprised that Evans has gone at this stage. It's a month since the shambles in Enniskillen. He recently met Co Board Executive and expressed the desire for another year. This was approved by the Executive and was to be rubber stamped at tonight's meeting of club delegates. There were rumours of opposition in some clubs, but Evans' stance was unexpected.
There was quite a bit of opposition mounting over last weekend.
I suspect Johneen didn't want to take it on if there was a load of opposition in the wings.
Left us better than he found us but League success is no good if you can't produce the goods in Summer.
We were very poor in this year's Championship and it was obvious to many that JE simply wasn't the man to take us any further.
It would have been better if he'd stood down a couple of weeks ago.
Thanks John andgood luck at whatever gig you take next.
What chance the Lillies? There'll probably be a vacancy soon!
Evans was too emotional.
That Roscommon team need a calm, analytical mind like McStay to manage them.
And we need some defenders from somewhere.
Calm, analytical defenders.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 12, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
Surprised that Evans has gone at this stage. It's a month since the shambles in Enniskillen. He recently met Co Board Executive and expressed the desire for another year. This was approved by the Executive and was to be rubber stamped at tonight's meeting of club delegates. There were rumours of opposition in some clubs, but Evans' stance was unexpected.
Most managers would have called time after losing to Fermanagh,Sligo in one summer. Someone changed his mind to now walk way it seems.
Division one and having won four U-21 provincial titles in the last six years is sure to have plenty of high profile names interested in this job.
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2015, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 12, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
Surprised that Evans has gone at this stage. It's a month since the shambles in Enniskillen. He recently met Co Board Executive and expressed the desire for another year. This was approved by the Executive and was to be rubber stamped at tonight's meeting of club delegates. There were rumours of opposition in some clubs, but Evans' stance was unexpected.
Most managers would have called time after losing to Fermanagh,Sligo in one summer. Someone changed his mind to now walk way it seems.
Division one and having won four U-21 provincial titles in the last six years is sure to have plenty of high profile names interested in this job.
You're incorrect.
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2015, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 01:54:43 PM
You're going to look a bit of a tool if Evans stays Rossfan..
A history lesson for you childeen.
Back in 2004 when you were sucking your thumb and filling nappies I pleaded with a few members of the then Co Board Executive to thank TommyTom for his efforts and get him out of the place as he and the panel had gone as far as they could. They ignored me and we saw who the tools were the following March.
Summer 2007 (as Syfín prepares for Junior Infants) after Maughtan spent countless €thousands on a Portuguese training camp after which Sligo wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half and a Kildare team at rock bottom bet us handily I again pleaded with a couple of the Executive to thank Tanman for his efforts and send him on his way before there wasn't a € left in the County and what little football we had left was wiped out.
Again I was ignored and again we saw who the tools were the following March.
Year 3 of JE and we have little or no discernable gameplans, no defence or strategy or system to try and cope with the fact that we have few proper defenders, Championship defeats to Sligo and Fermanagh, , daft team selections and substitutions, now blaming Gary Wynne over things even though Gary only came in to a few sessions, a few other issues I'm not putting here for those pesky Rhubarbs to start jibing.
We stuttered through a lot of the League and only for Paddy O'Rourke we'd have finished mid table which would have kept feet on the ground and we'd prepare for the Sligo game instead of blathering about winning All Irelands in a few years.
As for " Ahhh but we're in Division 1" - if you lose to BOTH Fermanagh and Sligo you have no business in Division 1.
Anyway I feel that JE is not the man to take us any further, a new voice and tactics and preparation needed if we're to progress.
I was listened to this time and who's a tool now Syfín ;) ;) ;)
Lot of "informed" rumours doing the rounds that a joint management of 2 well known names and a big € sponsor to come on board. ;)
Quote from: Syferus on August 12, 2015, 07:50:56 PM
Quote from: Blowitupref on August 12, 2015, 07:47:54 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 12, 2015, 05:45:10 PM
Surprised that Evans has gone at this stage. It's a month since the shambles in Enniskillen. He recently met Co Board Executive and expressed the desire for another year. This was approved by the Executive and was to be rubber stamped at tonight's meeting of club delegates. There were rumours of opposition in some clubs, but Evans' stance was unexpected.
Most managers would have called time after losing to Fermanagh,Sligo in one summer. Someone changed his mind to now walk way it seems.
Division one and having won four U-21 provincial titles in the last six years is sure to have plenty of high profile names interested in this job.
You're incorrect.
About which?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 12, 2015, 07:52:28 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on July 20, 2015, 08:04:27 PM
Quote from: Syferus on July 20, 2015, 01:54:43 PM
You're going to look a bit of a tool if Evans stays Rossfan..
A history lesson for you childeen.
Back in 2004 when you were sucking your thumb and filling nappies I pleaded with a few members of the then Co Board Executive to thank TommyTom for his efforts and get him out of the place as he and the panel had gone as far as they could. They ignored me and we saw who the tools were the following March.
Summer 2007 (as Syfín prepares for Junior Infants) after Maughtan spent countless €thousands on a Portuguese training camp after which Sligo wiped the floor with us in the 2nd half and a Kildare team at rock bottom bet us handily I again pleaded with a couple of the Executive to thank Tanman for his efforts and send him on his way before there wasn't a € left in the County and what little football we had left was wiped out.
Again I was ignored and again we saw who the tools were the following March.
Year 3 of JE and we have little or no discernable gameplans, no defence or strategy or system to try and cope with the fact that we have few proper defenders, Championship defeats to Sligo and Fermanagh, , daft team selections and substitutions, now blaming Gary Wynne over things even though Gary only came in to a few sessions, a few other issues I'm not putting here for those pesky Rhubarbs to start jibing.
We stuttered through a lot of the League and only for Paddy O'Rourke we'd have finished mid table which would have kept feet on the ground and we'd prepare for the Sligo game instead of blathering about winning All Irelands in a few years.
As for " Ahhh but we're in Division 1" - if you lose to BOTH Fermanagh and Sligo you have no business in Division 1.
Anyway I feel that JE is not the man to take us any further, a new voice and tactics and preparation needed if we're to progress.
I was listened to this time and who's a tool now Syfín ;) ;) ;)
Lot of "informed" rumours doing the rounds that a joint management of 2 well known names and a big € sponsor to come on board. ;)
You must have been getting very worried with this lurching into the day of the vote.
The two men and the magic sums men if they appear will have made one of the least graceful entrances possible.
Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2015, 06:41:44 PM
Evans was too emotional.
That Roscommon team need a calm, analytical mind like McStay to manage them.
Any manager with serious ambition - let's say a Mayo man with designs on the Mayo job anon - must realise that the Ros. gig is more likely to finish him that make him. He's already landed with the poisoned chalice of Ros. playing Div1 and trying to keep them there before the serious stuff starts.
Quote from: moysider on August 12, 2015, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2015, 06:41:44 PM
Evans was too emotional.
That Roscommon team need a calm, analytical mind like McStay to manage them.
Any manager with serious ambition - let's say a Mayo man with designs on the Mayo job anon - must realise that the Ros. gig is more likely to finish him that make him. He's already landed with the poisoned chalice of Ros. playing Div1 and trying to keep them there before the serious stuff starts.
In fairness i rarely seen Kevin McStays name mentioned for many if any county jobs before he won the club All Ireland with St Brigids. How good is he really? could be out of his depth at senior county level.
No pressure at all on the new man.
We and Down will be roaring favs for relegation so if we squeeze even one win it won't be 2 bad.
Then we go to NY and if we don't lose by much to Galway or that crowd it will be a big improvement on losing to Sligo.
A respectable Rd 4 exit is all we'll need then.
Meanwhile if a discernible game plan and defensive strategy is developed sure he'll be lauded to the rooftops.
We are not an unattractive proposition :- 3 of the last 4 Connacht U21 titles means there's talent and prospects there.
Quote from: Captain Obvious on August 12, 2015, 11:43:47 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 12, 2015, 11:31:00 PM
Quote from: Jinxy on August 12, 2015, 06:41:44 PM
Evans was too emotional.
That Roscommon team need a calm, analytical mind like McStay to manage them.
Any manager with serious ambition - let's say a Mayo man with designs on the Mayo job anon - must realise that the Ros. gig is more likely to finish him that make him. He's already landed with the poisoned chalice of Ros. playing Div1 and trying to keep them there before the serious stuff starts.
In fairness i rarely seen Kevin McStays name mentioned for many if any county jobs before he won the club All Ireland with St Brigids. How good is he really? could be out of his depth at senior county level.
Most senior county managers are out of their depth at senior county level.
Moysider you are way off the mark, a manager with designs on the mayo job? Now if ever there was a poisoned chalice then its the Mayo job, this new management team of Mayos have found no new players this year and are just shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic, they are in last chance saloon and even if they do win sam this year there is not another run in that squad and there is nothing to replace them.
It will be back to 2010 shortly for ye lads sooner rather than later.
I fail to see how taking on a small county like Roscommon could damage any managers reputation.
If a manager does his job properly he will get reasonable results out of Ros, there is a good panel of players there and progress can be made, and no we are not talking about winning all-irelands.
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 12, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Moysider you are way off the mark, a manager with designs on the mayo job? Now if ever there was a poisoned chalice then its the Mayo job, this new management team of Mayos have found no new players this year and are just shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic, they are in last chance saloon and even if they do win sam this year there is not another run in that squad and there is nothing to replace them.
It will be back to 2010 shortly for ye lads sooner rather than later.
I fail to see how taking on a small county like Roscommon could damage any managers reputation.
If a manager does his job properly he will get reasonable results out of Ros, there is a good panel of players there and progress can be made, and no we are not talking about winning all-irelands.
Patrick Durcan is new and he came on in every game to date.
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 12, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Moysider you are way off the mark, a manager with designs on the mayo job? Now if ever there was a poisoned chalice then its the Mayo job, this new management team of Mayos have found no new players this year and are just shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic, they are in last chance saloon and even if they do win sam this year there is not another run in that squad and there is nothing to replace them.
It will be back to 2010 shortly for ye lads sooner rather than later.
I fail to see how taking on a small county like Roscommon could damage any managers reputation.
If a manager does his job properly he will get reasonable results out of Ros, there is a good panel of players there and progress can be made, and no we are not talking about winning all-irelands.
No it wont. That was a Div 1 team that has been there longer than most I think. The players were good enough to stay in Div 1 even though the manager had his eyes closed.
The expectations in Ros is that they can do what Mayo have been doing and maybe better. Some of the Ros. posters refer to good U21 teams as an attraction for prospective interested managers. Not relevant and neither are better players on successful club teams (Crossmaglen, Brigids, Corofin e.g)
Mayo won an AI a couple of years ago but unlikely to get more than a couple of players out of that.
Quote from: moysider on August 13, 2015, 12:19:32 AM
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 12, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Moysider you are way off the mark, a manager with designs on the mayo job? Now if ever there was a poisoned chalice then its the Mayo job, this new management team of Mayos have found no new players this year and are just shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic, they are in last chance saloon and even if they do win sam this year there is not another run in that squad and there is nothing to replace them.
It will be back to 2010 shortly for ye lads sooner rather than later.
I fail to see how taking on a small county like Roscommon could damage any managers reputation.
If a manager does his job properly he will get reasonable results out of Ros, there is a good panel of players there and progress can be made, and no we are not talking about winning all-irelands.
No it wont. That was a Div 1 team that has been there longer than most I think. The players were good enough to stay in Div 1 even though the manager had his eyes closed.
The expectations in Ros is that they can do what Mayo have been doing and maybe better. Some of the Ros. posters refer to good U21 teams as an attraction for prospective interested managers. Not relevant and neither are better players on successful club teams (Crossmaglen, Brigids, Corofin e.g)
Mayo won an AI a couple of years ago but unlikely to get more than a couple of players out of that.
That's on you. We've lost few if any of our talented minors through the cracks in recent years.
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 12, 2015, 11:49:48 PM
Moysider you are way off the mark, a manager with designs on the mayo job? Now if ever there was a poisoned chalice then its the Mayo job, this new management team of Mayos have found no new players this year and are just shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic, they are in last chance saloon and even if they do win sam this year there is not another run in that squad and there is nothing to replace them.
It will be back to 2010 shortly for ye lads sooner rather than later.
I fail to see how taking on a small county like Roscommon could damage any managers reputation.
If a manager does his job properly he will get reasonable results out of Ros, there is a good panel of players there and progress can be made, and no we are not talking about winning all-irelands.
Talk about covering your arse, what a clown
Wait until the 2006 Roscommon minor team grow up. God help us all then.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 13, 2015, 11:10:17 AM
Wait until the 2006 Roscommon minor team grow up. God help us all then.
They can't grow up till ye win Sam ;D
I see on hoganstand ( !! yes I know I shouldn't) that a Committee is to be formed next week to search for a new man and will have a name before the September Co Board Meeting. They mustn't be going to look too long or too far away ::)
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 13, 2015, 11:10:17 AM
Wait until the 2006 Roscommon minor team grow up. God help us all then.
Sure we are waiting for the 2006 under 21 team to grow up and sort Sam out for us! :P
The players are far from happy about this. They'd went to bat to keep Evans and their decision to almost unanimously support him was a driving force behind the CB supporting Evans for another term. It's more than a bit disgusting to see a manager removed because a few lads are waving bags of money in the face of the county. The clubs have a lot to answer for seeing as they've been bought so easily.
Ye could try poach Jason Ryan. We would be devastated if he left.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
The players are far from happy about this. They'd went to bat to keep Evans and their decision to almost unanimously support him was a driving force behind the CB supporting Evans for another term. It's more than a bit disgusting to see a manager removed because a few lads are waving bags of money in the face of the county. The clubs have a lot to answer for seeing as they've been bought so easily.
The Clubs won't be getting any money from any one. A goodly number of them decided that they would oppose the Kerryman's reappointment as they, like most people in the County felt that he wasn't capable of taking us any further.
I suspect some players may be afraid that a new man will wield an axe which might be no harm.
Go back 3 and a half years when Des was fcukn up everything so bad that even the bushes knew that he wasn't preparing the team for modern day football. Yet not a peep out of the players as they just turned up like sheep and did what they were told.
Anyway the best way for players to keep a manager is to deliver on the field.
I can't believe the amount of pro Evans sh1te that's being spouted on stolensheep. You'd think we had won 3 Connachts and an All Ireland under him :o instead of a NFL3,NFL2 and a FBD while bombing in the Championship 2 years in a row.( I'd forgive him anything in 2013 as he was trying to put humpty dumpty together again after the Shannon Gaels maestro)
Quote from: Rossfan on August 13, 2015, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
The players are far from happy about this. They'd went to bat to keep Evans and their decision to almost unanimously support him was a driving force behind the CB supporting Evans for another term. It's more than a bit disgusting to see a manager removed because a few lads are waving bags of money in the face of the county. The clubs have a lot to answer for seeing as they've been bought so easily.
The Clubs won't be getting any money from any one. A goodly number of them decided that they would oppose the Kerryman's reappointment as they, like most people in the County felt that he wasn't capable of taking us any further.
I suspect some players may be afraid that a new man will wield an axe which might be no harm.
Go back 3 and a half years when Des was fcukn up everything so bad that even the bushes knew that he wasn't preparing the team for modern day football. Yet not a peep out of the players as they just turned up like sheep and did what they were told.
Anyway the best way for players to keep a manager is to deliver on the field.
I can't believe the amount of pro Evans sh1te that's being spouted on stolensheep. You'd think we had won 3 Connachts and an All Ireland under him :o instead of a NFL3,NFL2 and a FBD while bombing in the Championship 2 years in a row.( I'd forgive him anything in 2013 as he was trying to put humpty dumpty together again after the Shannon Gaels maestro)
What garbage have you dredged here?
A bunch of the panel fucked off after the Galway game, players were seen being petulant on the sideline during matches, the whole year there was rumours of ructions in the camp. Trying to compare that to Evans is an insult to the Kerryman, the panel and basic intelligence.
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
The players are far from happy about this. They'd went to bat to keep Evans and their decision to almost unanimously support him was a driving force behind the CB supporting Evans for another term. It's more than a bit disgusting to see a manager removed because a few lads are waving bags of money in the face of the county. The clubs have a lot to answer for seeing as they've been bought so easily.
Was this what happened Liam Sammon at Galway, when JK was parachuted in, by helicopter?
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Quote from: Rossfan on August 13, 2015, 03:43:15 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
The players are far from happy about this. They'd went to bat to keep Evans
Go back 3 and a half years when Des was fcukn up everything so bad that even the bushes knew that he wasn't preparing the team for modern day football. Yet not a peep out of the players as they just turned up like sheep and did what they were told.
Anyway the best way for players to keep a manager is to deliver on the field.
What garbage have you dredged here?
s rumours of ructions in the camp. Trying to compare that to Evans is an insult to the Kerryman, the panel and basic intelligence.
I'm saying what a pity we didn't hear from the players then!!! Mind you you were singing Des' praises all over the place that year too ;)
Am I the only one to be worried that our players seem happy to be losing to Sligo and Fermanagh and in the process show a total lack of the intensity required for Championship football?
If they are then they shouldn't be playing inter Co football.
You are way off the mark there rosfan and I cant believe you would even think that, these lads have put in a hard shift since last October and whatever happened it was not for lack of commtment from these young lads, look somewhere else for excuses, I am very disappointed that any Ros fan would even think that.
Mayo won 4 in a row at u21 level 06 to 09, very lucky in 09 against us I might add, they have won none since and have not beaten Roscommon in 5 tries since, these chickens are coming home to roost, so keep whistling as ye pass the graveyard, now would ye ever .... off back to yere own thread and worry about Dublin.
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 13, 2015, 07:27:20 PM
You are way off the mark there rosfan and I cant believe you would even think that, these lads have put in a hard shift since last October and whatever happened it was not for lack of commtment from these young lads, look somewhere else for excuses, I am very disappointed that any Ros fan would even think that.
Never accused them of lack of committment.
As a team we didn't seem to be able to cope with Sligo or Armagh or Fermanagh playing with Championship intensity.
Was this down to Evans or a lot of players who are happy to give the time and committment but can't step up to Championship?
If it's down to Evans' preparation and they as alleged wanted JE to stay I can be forgiven for thinking they are not shockin ambitious.
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Quote from: giveballaghback on August 13, 2015, 07:27:20 PM
You are way off the mark there rosfan and I cant believe you would even think that, these lads have put in a hard shift since last October and whatever happened it was not for lack of commtment from these young lads, look somewhere else for excuses, I am very disappointed that any Ros fan would even think that.
Never accused them of lack of committment.
As a team we didn't seem to be able to cope with Sligo or Armagh or Fermanagh playing with Championship intensity.
Was this down to Evans or a lot of players who are happy to give the time and committment but can't step up to Championship?
If it's down to Evans' preparation and they as alleged wanted JE to stay I can be forgiven for thinking they are not shockin ambitious.
Only a deaf man could think Evans and the panel weren't ambitious.
I'm sure there's plenty of players happy to get a new manager in.
You won't hear from those lads though.
Same in any club or county
Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 09:10:05 PM
Only a deaf man could think Evans and the panel weren't ambitious.
Deaf man?????
WTF???
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Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
The players are far from happy about this. They'd went to bat to keep Evans and their decision to almost unanimously support him was a driving force behind the CB supporting Evans for another term. It's more than a bit disgusting to see a manager removed because a few lads are waving bags of money in the face of the county. The clubs have a lot to answer for seeing as they've been bought so easily.
Was this what happened Liam Sammon at Galway, when JK was parachuted in, by helicopter?
It took me a minute to figure out who JK was. God, you forget the antics Galway have been up to in the past ten years looking for a manager. Did Tomás Ó Flaitheartha do a stint there as well? Peter Ford was about the best they had, and he got ran, of course. We'll wait and see yet on Walsh.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 13, 2015, 03:43:15 PM
Go back 3 and a half years when Des was fcukn up everything so bad that even the bushes knew that he wasn't preparing the team for modern day football. Yet not a peep out of the players as they just turned up like sheep and did what they were told.
A bit rich having a go at the players for Des Newton's (brilliant corner back let it be said) management skills when Tony McManus (brilliant corner forward let it be said) was on the committee that selected him. Is that the same Tony who has been undermining John Evans in his weekly column in the Roscommon People.
And these sponsors who are going to bring us the messiah - are they the same sponsors who brought us Tommy Carr back in the day?
We are a great county for getting the bus to nowhere.
Jason Ryan
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Moysider you are way off the mark, a manager with designs on the mayo job? Now if ever there was a poisoned chalice then its the Mayo job, this new management team of Mayos have found no new players this year and are just shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic, they are in last chance saloon and even if they do win sam this year there is not another run in that squad and there is nothing to replace them.
It will be back to 2010 shortly for ye lads sooner rather than later.
I fail to see how taking on a small county like Roscommon could damage any managers reputation.
If a manager does his job properly he will get reasonable results out of Ros, there is a good panel of players there and progress can be made, and no we are not talking about winning all-irelands.
No it wont. That was a Div 1 team that has been there longer than most I think. The players were good enough to stay in Div 1 even though the manager had his eyes closed.
The expectations in Ros is that they can do what Mayo have been doing and maybe better. Some of the Ros. posters refer to good U21 teams as an attraction for prospective interested managers. Not relevant and neither are better players on successful club teams (Crossmaglen, Brigids, Corofin e.g)
Mayo won an AI a couple of years ago but unlikely to get more than a couple of players out of that.
That's on you. We've lost few if any of our talented minors through the cracks in recent years.
True, but they still get beaten by Sligo at senior. The '06 lads should be well able at this stage.
Don t get me wrong. It was great to see our minors win an AI. However at the time I said that it would have little bearing on senior and we d get damn all senior players from that group. Players that are potential senior players are as likely to be in a poor minor team that gets knocked out in first round as in one that wins an AI.
Quote from: weareros on August 13, 2015, 11:05:24 PM
We are a great county for getting the bus to nowhere.
Which is where we were going if JE was reappointed.
Anyone that can't see that after our 2015 Championship debacles in Markievicz and Brewster needs eyes tested.
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 13, 2015, 07:34:25 PM
Mayo won 4 in a row at u21 level 06 to 09, very lucky in 09 against us I might add, they have won none since and have not beaten Roscommon in 5 tries since, these chickens are coming home to roost, so keep whistling as ye pass the graveyard, now would ye ever .... off back to yere own thread and worry about Dublin.
That is rich!!
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Quote from: Syferus on August 13, 2015, 03:02:36 PM
The players are far from happy about this. They'd went to bat to keep Evans and their decision to almost unanimously support him was a driving force behind the CB supporting Evans for another term. It's more than a bit disgusting to see a manager removed because a few lads are waving bags of money in the face of the county. The clubs have a lot to answer for seeing as they've been bought so easily.
Was this what happened Liam Sammon at Galway, when JK was parachuted in, by helicopter?
It took me a minute to figure out who JK was. God, you forget the antics Galway have been up to in the past ten years looking for a manager. Did Tomás Ó Flaitheartha do a stint there as well? Peter Ford was about the best they had, and he got ran, of course. We'll wait and see yet on Walsh.
As opposed to the totally transparent process ye went through when replacing JH!!!
Sticking to the thread title, who are we expecting to be among the candidates for this position. Hearing Kevin Mc Stay's name being mentioned with Liam Mc Hale or with Fergal O' Donnell. Of course, Mc Stay mightn't have any interest at all..Could Liam Kearns make a move to be main man, having been part of John Evans' backroom team? Will recent and current U-21 managers, Nigel Dineen and Mark Dowd fancy stepping up..A lot of talk that plenty of money available for the new set up re preparation etc. One, maybe two wealthy Rossies being mentioned.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 14, 2015, 11:56:51 AM
Sticking to the thread title, who are we expecting to be among the candidates for this position. Hearing Kevin Mc Stay's name being mentioned with Liam Mc Hale or with Fergal O' Donnell. Of course, Mc Stay mightn't have any interest at all..Could Liam Kearns make a move to be main man, having been part of John Evans' backroom team? Will recent and current U-21 managers, Nigel Dineen and Mark Dowd fancy stepping up..A lot of talk that plenty of money available for the new set up re preparation etc. One, maybe two wealthy Rossies being mentioned.
If the money men decided Evans wasn't good enough they are hardly going to go for his right-hand man.
A lot of good GAA people with no money also had come to the conclusion JE had no more to contribute.
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
There's no diving specialist there so I don't know about it.
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
few players would be nice too. Or maybe they don't count anymore
Look let's be real here, Evans just isn't tactically astute enough to take this team to the next level, in particular not pushing up on Sligo's kickout or pumping long ball in on top of their full back line was almost criminal! I thank him for the work he's done in getting us up the Divisions and leaving us in a far better place than when he came in but I think a fresh approach is needed and McStay definitely has the nous to improve us.
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 05:07:44 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
There's no diving specialist there so I don't know about it.
Who did O'Donnell have in for that in 2010? I presume you could get him back in.
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
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Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
McStay should be well pissed off with the way he was treated by Mayo CB. The stuff about some players not happy about BIL comments was just spin from people who wanted things to go their way. The world has developed around nepotism, loops, connections and nods and winks. If the C&H coup works it will be seen as an inspired appointment. If not.............
Not the first time players have been used as pawns to push things through. Ironically the players were less than enthusiastic about C&H anyway.
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.
If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.
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Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.
If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.
Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2015, 12:00:38 AM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 11:39:30 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.
If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.
Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.
There is no way after so much foreplay that Mayo will kick on the year after they win the AI, if they win. McGuiness is a better manager than your two fellas and Donegal had a far less epic journey to the 2012 AI and look what happened. No team could maintain their intensity levels after something like that, let alone improve, the very next year. And that's all outside a panel whose sell-by date is approaching sooner than some like to think.
Ballagh put it in a a hyperbolic way but the Mayo panel have been moulded for the immediate term for the past half decade or so. It's not a panel that's really trying to blood young players and thinking three or four years down the line, it's about winning big and winning big right damn now. Eventually in counties that aren't Dublin that comes back to bite you, no matter how much money is pumped into the machine.
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Quote from: Syferus on August 14, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.
If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.
Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.
There is no way after so much foreplay that Mayo will kick on the year after they win the AI, if they win. McGuiness is a better manager than your two fellas and Donegal had a far less epic journey to the 2012 AI and look what happened. No team could maintain their intensity levels after something like that, let alone improve, the very next year. And that's all outside a panel whose sell-by date is approaching sooner than some like to think.
Ballagh put it in a a hyperbolic way but the Mayo panel have been moulded for the immediate term for the past half decade or so. It's not a panel that's really trying to blood young players and thinking three or four years down the line, it's about winning big and winning big right damn now. Eventually in counties that aren't Dublin that comes back to bite you, no matter how much money is pumped into the machine.
::) ::) ::)
In 2012 Donegal had to beat Tyrone (2008 winners), Kerry (2009 winners) Cork (2010 winners), Mayo (2011 semi finalists), Down (2010 runners up) and Derry.
Donegal's 2012 triumph is probably the most difficult path encountered by any team in the past 15 years. The parameters are a lot different for teams coming out of Ulster and it's very difficult to sustain playing at a high level from May to Sept which Ulster teams need to do if they want to win the AI. Donegal's flop in 2013 is down to that long hard season. The huge advantage that Dublin, Kerry and Mayo have is that there is nothing in their province that will trouble them and they can easily tailor their preparation to peak for August, this allows to me have freshness and come back year on year.
Also don't start going down the qualifier route, even though a good few teams have won it that route in recent years, it is a perilous one. If teams capable of challenging for an AI lose their provincial matches it suggests they are well open to be caught in the qualifiers.
Look at the three winners in the 2008, 2009 and 2010 Championships.
2008 Tyrone were well off their game and were in serious bother in Omagh against Westmeath only for Westmeath to implode with 20 minutes to go and have two players sent off.
2009 Kerry laboured past Longford, were a missed penalty from being knocked out by Sligo and made hard work of Antrim
2010 Cork were taken to extra time in the qualifiers by Limerick and were blessed to come out of that tie.
Right now, Mayo, Dublin and Kerry have all the parameters there to challenge year on year. Donegal operate/operated off an entirely different set of parameters.
Mayo are in last chance saloon this year and thats a fact, there is no way this team can give another season without five or six new panel members and the quality is just not there, when they line out against the dubs have a look at yere programmes and look at the changes dublin will have on their panel from the 2013 all-ireland final {which they won} then look at mayos panel, that will tell you the story, millions wasted and nothing for it.
Just wondering how a Roscommon thread has turned in to a discussion on Mayo football :) :)
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 15, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
Mayo are in last chance saloon this year and thats a fact, there is no way this team can give another season without five or six new panel members and the quality is just not there, when they line out against the dubs have a look at yere programmes and look at the changes dublin will have on their panel from the 2013 all-ireland final {which they won} then look at mayos panel, that will tell you the story, millions wasted and nothing for it.
Blah de Blah. Heard this all before. How do you know the quality is not there? We won a minor 2 years ago! This was supposed to be the year that Connacht was a test for us. This year was as easy as any of the last three. Nobody had bridged the gap. In fact our biggest threat was supposed to be Roscommon! And that did not materialise. Look this (Mayo dominance of Connacht) cannot go on forever. But we won't go away over night. There is a big gap to bridge and it will take a sh1t load of retirements for to bring us down to a standard you will be competitive against. As for Dublin, a lot of the changes that you talk of are/were injury forced. Some were injured in 2013. Some are presently injured.
Quote from: giveballaghback on August 15, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
Mayo are in last chance saloon this year and thats a fact, there is no way this team can give another season without five or six new panel members and the quality is just not there, when they line out against the dubs have a look at yere programmes and look at the changes dublin will have on their panel from the 2013 all-ireland final {which they won} then look at mayos panel, that will tell you the story, millions wasted and nothing for it.
Anyone as biased as giveballaghback, who thinks his opinion is 'a fact', is....(counts to ten)......well never mind.
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Quote from: giveballaghback on August 15, 2015, 08:39:28 PM
Mayo are in last chance saloon this year and thats a fact, there is no way this team can give another season without five or six new panel members and the quality is just not there, when they line out against the dubs have a look at yere programmes and look at the changes dublin will have on their panel from the 2013 all-ireland final {which they won} then look at mayos panel, that will tell you the story, millions wasted and nothing for it.
Anyone as biased as giveballaghback, who thinks his opinion is 'a fact', is....(counts to ten)......well never mind.
If I got him in a raffle I'd giveballaghback
Quote from: Syferus on August 15, 2015, 01:01:57 AM
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Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.
If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.
Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.
There is no way after so much foreplay that Mayo will kick on the year after they win the AI, if they win. McGuiness is a better manager than your two fellas and Donegal had a far less epic journey to the 2012 AI and look what happened. No team could maintain their intensity levels after something like that, let alone improve, the very next year. And that's all outside a panel whose sell-by date is approaching sooner than some like to think.
Ballagh put it in a a hyperbolic way but the Mayo panel have been moulded for the immediate term for the past half decade or so. It's not a panel that's really trying to blood young players and thinking three or four years down the line, it's about winning big and winning big right damn now. Eventually in counties that aren't Dublin that comes back to bite you, no matter how much money is pumped into the machine.
Some silly stuff by Ballagh later as well but you have to be joking right?
Likes of Regan, Hall, and Durcan have all got blooding this year. Those lads would be starting on 25+ teams imo. Likes of Plunkett not far away either. Then you ve got likes of Conor Loftus whose development has been delayed by injury and may be another year before we see him, but his quality is beyond doubt. Diarmuid O Connor has become an important part of the team.
What do you expect to happen? Drop lads like Keegan, Higgins, Boyle, AOS, Barrett and replace them with younger lads for the sake of it?
I think anyone with a bit of sense know's Mayo ain't going away anytime soon, so can we get back to the topic at hand here? :P
As usual, i see the Mayo posters taking over a Roscommon related thread.
Quote from: The Black Mamba on August 16, 2015, 12:58:57 AM
I think anyone with a bit of sense know's Mayo ain't going away anytime soon, so can we get back to the topic at hand here? :P
Exactly. Apart from O Donnell Roscommon haven t done well with native mangers recently but looking abroad hasn t worked out well either. There is no easy fix for Roscommon, inside or out. Ryan looked a good shout for Kildare but both he and Kildare have taken a battering.
I remember 99 when Sheerin with Tony McManus had a hyped Ros team destroyed in Castlebar. Two big men in Ros. football. They were disillusioned well before the end that day. As bad a humiliation any more recent management has presided over.
Quote from: Shrewdness on August 16, 2015, 01:14:53 AM
As usual, i see the Mayo posters taking over a Roscommon related thread.
Apologies from me Shrewdness. But it was put up on the main board. I m sure there is a bit of debate over on the Ros. board about it.
Quote from: moysider on August 16, 2015, 12:06:08 AM
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Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.
If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.
Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.
There is no way after so much foreplay that Mayo will kick on the year after they win the AI, if they win. McGuiness is a better manager than your two fellas and Donegal had a far less epic journey to the 2012 AI and look what happened. No team could maintain their intensity levels after something like that, let alone improve, the very next year. And that's all outside a panel whose sell-by date is approaching sooner than some like to think.
Ballagh put it in a a hyperbolic way but the Mayo panel have been moulded for the immediate term for the past half decade or so. It's not a panel that's really trying to blood young players and thinking three or four years down the line, it's about winning big and winning big right damn now. Eventually in counties that aren't Dublin that comes back to bite you, no matter how much money is pumped into the machine.
Some silly stuff by Ballagh later as well but you have to be joking right?
Likes of Regan, Hall, and Durcan have all got blooding this year. Those lads would be starting on 25+ teams imo. Likes of Plunkett not far away either. Then you ve got likes of Conor Loftus wdevelopment has been delayed by injury and may be another year before we see him, but his quality is beyond doubt. Diarmuid O Connor has become an important part of the team.
What do you expect to happen? Drop lads like Keegan, Higgins, Boyle, AOS, Barrett and replace them with younger lads for the sake of it?
None of them are even relevant to Mayo's future if you're being honest. Panel is essentially Horan's with few changes.
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Quote from: moysider on August 14, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
Quote from: rrhf on August 14, 2015, 03:08:26 PM
Mc Stay / Mc Hale double act with Frankie Dolan as forwards Coach / Cake as goalkeeping coach.
This could be the ticket into dreamland for the long suffering rossies.
More likely a nightmare for the 2 Mayo men ::) if they re daft enough to take it on. Especially if the other 2 are in the package ;)
I hear McStay renounced his Mayohood around the time your CB decided to ridicule him in public and heard your panel had got their pretty little heads in a twist about comments the brother-in-law made in a column. Could be out for revenge.
Revenge? On whom?
Roscommon's revenge targets are Sligo and Fermanagh right now. Don t forget a Ros v Mayo championship match next year will be in McHale Park and Mayo ( regardless what happens now) will probably be better than this year.
If ye win the AI next month there is exactly a zero percent chance of you being better next year.
Disagree. If we win - a big, big if - I'd imagine we would be def better. If not I still think we will be better. The way thing have gone, the last 8/4/2 matches bring teams to a level of performance that teams that don t get there cannot replicate in leagues/training. An exception might be likes of Monaghan who seem to have hit the ceiling in province a few times.
Like Mayo the last day won without Andy or Dillon being in the picture really. Monaghan were still looking to Finlay and Clerkin to come on and do something. That was not going to happen. Mayo are still a young team.
There is no way after so much foreplay that Mayo will kick on the year after they win the AI, if they win. McGuiness is a better manager than your two fellas and Donegal had a far less epic journey to the 2012 AI and look what happened. No team could maintain their intensity levels after something like that, let alone improve, the very next year. And that's all outside a panel whose sell-by date is approaching sooner than some like to think.
Ballagh put it in a a hyperbolic way but the Mayo panel have been moulded for the immediate term for the past half decade or so. It's not a panel that's really trying to blood young players and thinking three or four years down the line, it's about winning big and winning big right damn now. Eventually in counties that aren't Dublin that comes back to bite you, no matter how much money is pumped into the machine.
Some silly stuff by Ballagh later as well but you have to be joking right?
Likes of Regan, Hall, and Durcan have all got blooding this year. Those lads would be starting on 25+ teams imo. Likes of Plunkett not far away either. Then you ve got likes of Conor Loftus wdevelopment has been delayed by injury and may be another year before we see him, but his quality is beyond doubt. Diarmuid O Connor has become an important part of the team.
What do you expect to happen? Drop lads like Keegan, Higgins, Boyle, AOS, Barrett and replace them with younger lads for the sake of it?
None of them are even relevant to Mayo's future if you're being honest. Panel is essentially Horan's with few changes.
What else could it be? This panel is the present and the future - the next future being an AI semi final.
This is the best panel available. Can t think of any glaring omissions and there is a couple that Horan didn t entertain and there is a couple absent that Horan did entertain. All those I mentioned can be very relevant to our future. As I said already they would be starting in most teams, young and all as they are.
All this talk about the likes of Mc Stay, O'Donnell and money men may well be just idle speculation..There were people on Stolensheep calling for Mc Stay before Evans had even left.. O'Donnell has had 2 stints as minor manager and 1 stint as senior manager and left each job citing time constraints, family commitments etc. Has anything really changed there?..Maybe some people have factual knowledge of money men on the scene, but it could also be idle speculation...It's interesting that Mc Stay hasn't publically ruled himself out yet, but time will tell. This is a hugely critical appointment for Roscommon, one that we cannot afford to get wrong.
Critical appointment right enough but as the need for it has been sprung on the Co Board I'd be fearful.
If they had known from way back that we'd need a new man some long term planning or thinking could have been done.
I've stopped listening to rumours and "in the know" winks nods etc. As it's gone totally silly now.
We,all probably end up with Banty.... :o
Are the players getting any stick at all?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2015, 10:24:27 AM
Are the players getting any stick at all?
Na sure they're All Ireland Champions in waiting. The litany of championship cave ins over the last few seasons can't be laid at their door... for example, the team talk before the Sligo game this year was entirely in the wrong key to produce any sort of performance and then with ten minutes to go against fermanagh Evens started shouting onto the field "take it easy for the next round lads, this crowd is useless. Stop chasin dem balls. Cahillll, will ye quit that tacklin. for fcuk sake lads how are we gonna bate westmeath if ye won't do what yer told?"
No wonder Evans wasn't reappointed if he thought there was a Cahill on the team ::)
I never said we were AI champions in waiting- that was some Rhu trolls.
We had 2 defenders, 1midfielder, some excellent forwards and a whole posse of runaround attacking wing back ttypes that can't tackle or defend.
Manager had no discernable game plan or no defensive strategy to cover our shortcomings among other things.
New man will do well to get 2 wins in Div 1 but must target a Con. Final place as a minimum.
Is John Evans a 'Rhu troll'? After all, it was him who said this bunch of players would win Sam, not you or any other Rossie. Just he's supposed to have the inside track etc. Yea, people had a laugh when Sligo and Fermanagh beat Ros, and it wasn't just Mayo people either
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Is John Evans a 'Rhu troll'? After all, it was him who said this bunch of players would win Sam, not you or any other Rossie. Just he's supposed to have the inside track etc. Yea, people had a laugh when Sligo and Fermanagh beat Ros, and it wasn't just Mayo people either
Farr, I took you up on this before. John said if we stay in D1 for a few years we can be AI contenders, that's two qualifiers removed from saying we're going to win an AI. That's was a ridiculous stick that people who never even bothered to read what he said have used to smack him and the county with the last few months.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Is John Evans a 'Rhu troll'? After all, it was him who said this bunch of players would win Sam, not you or any other Rossie. Just he's supposed to have the inside track etc. Yea, people had a laugh when Sligo and Fermanagh beat Ros, and it wasn't just Mayo people either
Farr, I took you up on this before. John said if we stay in D1 for a few years we can be AI contenders, that's two qualifiers removed from saying we're going to win an AI. That's was a riculious stick that people who never even bothered to read what he said have used to smack him and the county with the last few months.
You are right, that's all he said. I can't see where the abuse is coming from or why people should misquote him or take his remarks out of context.
What he said was just hot air stuff meant to buck his players up, the sort of thing any manager would do under the circumstances.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 17, 2015, 07:34:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Is John Evans a 'Rhu troll'? After all, it was him who said this bunch of players would win Sam, not you or any other Rossie. Just he's supposed to have the inside track etc. Yea, people had a laugh when Sligo and Fermanagh beat Ros, and it wasn't just Mayo people either
Farr, I took you up on this before. John said if we stay in D1 for a few years we can be AI contenders, that's two qualifiers removed from saying we're going to win an AI. That's was a riculious stick that people who never even bothered to read what he said have used to smack him and the county with the last few months.
You are right, that's all he said. I can't see where the abuse is coming from or why people should misquote him or take his remarks out of context.
What he said was just hot air stuff meant to buck his players up, the sort of thing any manager would do under the circumstances.
No, most managers would say it to the players, not the media. He brought unnecessary attention and pressure on the team, and they obviously didn't handle it very well, nor did he.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on August 17, 2015, 07:34:56 PM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Is John Evans a 'Rhu troll'? After all, it was him who said this bunch of players would win Sam, not you or any other Rossie. Just he's supposed to have the inside track etc. Yea, people had a laugh when Sligo and Fermanagh beat Ros, and it wasn't just Mayo people either
Farr, I took you up on this before. John said if we stay in D1 for a few years we can be AI contenders, that's two qualifiers removed from saying we're going to win an AI. That's was a riculious stick that people who never even bothered to read what he said have used to smack him and the county with the last few months.
You are right, that's all he said. I can't see where the abuse is coming from or why people should misquote him or take his remarks out of context.
What he said was just hot air stuff meant to buck his players up, the sort of thing any manager would do under the circumstances.
Yes I think the media took John Evans comments out of context at the time. Longford,Tipp have also talked big for the years ahead but haven't been mis quoted.
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Is John Evans a 'Rhu troll'? After all, it was him who said this bunch of players would win Sam, not you or any other Rossie. Just he's supposed to have the inside track etc. Yea, people had a laugh when Sligo and Fermanagh beat Ros, and it wasn't just Mayo people either
Farr, I took you up on this before. John said if we stay in D1 for a few years we can be AI contenders, that's two qualifiers removed from saying we're going to win an AI. That's was a ridiculous stick that people who never even bothered to read what he said have used to smack him and the county with the last few months.
Two qualifiers, how appropriate as that is all the mighty rossies managed this year, what happened to the semi final they were going to get into that you were raving about on stolensheep?
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Is John Evans a 'Rhu troll'? After all, it was him who said this bunch of players would win Sam, not you or any other Rossie. Just he's supposed to have the inside track etc. Yea, people had a laugh when Sligo and Fermanagh beat Ros, and it wasn't just Mayo people either
Farr, I took you up on this before. John said if we stay in D1 for a few years we can be AI contenders, that's two qualifiers removed from saying we're going to win an AI. That's was a ridiculous stick that people who never even bothered to read what he said have used to smack him and the county with the last few months.
Yip. It's red top journalism and Evans was naïve to be expansive. It's the same on here. People see three words of a 100 word post and spin those.
Evans used
Roscommon and
competing in 5yrs and
AI in a long enough interview. Result - people choose to see that Evans reckoned that Roscommon were contenders this year.
The Sun type of spin. It's no wonder most managers say f**k all of relevance to media and muzzle players as well. Media spin a headline to sell papers because they're under pressure for sales. Most people don t like to read much and cant follow a reasonable discussion. Hence we end up with papers with massive misleading headlines and damn all content.
Quote from: moysider on August 18, 2015, 12:45:04 AM
Quote from: Syferus on August 17, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on August 17, 2015, 04:11:18 PM
Is John Evans a 'Rhu troll'? After all, it was him who said this bunch of players would win Sam, not you or any other Rossie. Just he's supposed to have the inside track etc. Yea, people had a laugh when Sligo and Fermanagh beat Ros, and it wasn't just Mayo people either
Farr, I took you up on this before. John said if we stay in D1 for a few years we can be AI contenders, that's two qualifiers removed from saying we're going to win an AI. That's was a ridiculous stick that people who never even bothered to read what he said have used to smack him and the county with the last few months.
Yip. It's red top journalism and Evans was naïve to be expansive. It's the same on here. People see three words of a 100 word post and spin those.
Evans used Roscommon and competing in 5yrs and AI in a long enough interview. Result - people choose to see that Evans reckoned that Roscommon were contenders this year.
The Sun type of spin. It's no wonder most managers say f**k all of relevance to media and muzzle players as well. Media spin a headline to sell papers because they're under pressure for sales. Most people don t like to read much and cant follow a reasonable discussion. Hence we end up with papers with massive misleading headlines and damn all content.
I think what's sad about this one in particular is it directly contributed to him losing his job. It gave people who didn't like him a manipulated stick to beat him with. He was 50:50 after the Fermanagh game and something stupid could have tipped just enough people the wrong direction, or open to being convinced. Other factors too but I'd have had a lot of time for John Evans and the work he did and the attitude he had. People cast him as a mercenary but he was stung as much as any of the players after the Sligo game and there was a real connection between the management and the panel.
It's a bit mad to me that Terry Hyland still has his job in Cavan despite Evans continually beating him throughout his reign and knocking Cavan out of the championship the last two seasons. To me that speaks to the mistrust counties have of outsiders. Myopic doesn't begin to describe the GAA at times.
Jayses Syfín but your totally enamoured with Evans.
Of course you were singing Des N's praises too so enough said.
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2015, 09:49:53 AM
Jayses Syfín but your totally enamoured with Evans.
Of course you were singing Des N's praises too so enough said.
Are you really comparing those two managers? If I'm enamoured with Evans would must have a blind hatred of the man.
You were full of praise for BOTH ;).
Most people liked JE as a person but a lot of them felt he hadn't the know how to take us any further.
And his limitations were highlighted by the Sligo and Fermanagh debacles.
I see that the Roscommon Co Board has received 40,000 euro from the Connacht Council for staging the Connacht Finals in July.
john evans digging a bit of dirt on game on who would the fathers be that were not pleased sons were not playing
Did he name anyone?
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2015, 09:48:30 PM
Did he name anyone?
And you were giving out about a hurling thread on this board, like anyone else would be remotely interested in the topic of this one -- that's what the county boards are for! :P
Quote from: Fear ón Srath Bán on August 18, 2015, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on August 18, 2015, 09:48:30 PM
Did he name anyone?
And you were giving out about a hurling thread on this board, like anyone else would be remotely interested in the topic of this one --
You obviously are interested enough to be looking in ;)
We don't have a County Section here as we have our own wonderful forum.
Quote from: Syferus on August 18, 2015, 01:51:00 AM
It's a bit mad to me that Terry Hyland still has his job in Cavan despite Evans continually beating him throughout his reign and knocking Cavan out of the championship the last two seasons. To me that speaks to the mistrust counties have of outsiders. Myopic doesn't begin to describe the GAA at times.
Why is it mad?
If John Evans had done for Roscommon a fraction of what Terry Hyland did for Cavan long before he ever became county senior manager, he'd still be in his job today.
http://www.thejournal.ie/conor-lenihan-fianna-fail-2290564-Aug2015/?utm_source=shortlink (http://www.thejournal.ie/conor-lenihan-fianna-fail-2290564-Aug2015/?utm_source=shortlink)
Conor Lenihan to join the Rossies?
I know FF have turned into sh1te but I didn't think they had got that bad :o
Quote from: Rossfan on August 25, 2015, 06:53:49 PM
I know FF have turned into sh1te but I didn't think they had got that bad :o
In fairness he's surely going to be enough to ensure Maura Hopkins has no hope of the last seat. And the parade of local FF nominees had more tits in it than a Victoria's Secret catalogue.
Quote from: Syferus on August 25, 2015, 08:38:36 PM
d the parade of local FF nominees had more tits in it than a Victoria's Secret catalogue.
:D ;D :D ;D
I'll bow to your superior knowledge of catalogues of tits!
Kevin Mc nominated by Brigids. Only nominee. Ratification meeting for selection committee this week but this is a done deal.
Pretty happy with that. Could have gone south fast if we didn't get him.
Can I nominate Tommy Tom or is it too late? :-[
No white smoke yet.
Th'oul turf must be wet ;)
Rossfan, what's your view on this situation? Is the hot favourite still likely to be the chosen one, or is it hanging in the balance for some reason?
I expect Roscommon's scoring from the hot zone to increase dramatically.
I'm beginning to get concerned Shrewdy.
I hope we're not going to see a 2nd rate rabbit produced from a County Board hat :-\
That's my concern too, Rossfan. A few weeks ago, we were hearing rumours about one candidate in the frame, moneymen, even his supposed selectors were known by every dog in Roscommon. Now, not a word about any of it.
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 14, 2015, 05:52:43 PM
That's my concern too, Rossfan. A few weeks ago, we were hearing rumours about one candidate in the frame, moneymen, even his supposed selectors were known by every dog in Roscommon. Now, not a word about any of it.
Still well on track to have a candidate ready within the four week window the CB gave themselves.
Deal is done, McStay and O Donnell both on board, announcement any day now.
Mchale is bound to be part of the package too.
Quote from: rodney trotter on September 14, 2015, 09:32:15 PM
Mchale is bound to be part of the package too.
That would be good news
Nestor or bust? Or will it be another year of "it will take time" shite zzzzzzzzzz?
With unrest in Mayo is McStay stalling? If he takes Ros job his chance of managing Mayo would be gone Id say.
I've heard Luke Dempsey mentioned. Hope it was just a wind up :o
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2015, 10:31:29 PM
With unrest in Mayo is McStay stalling? If he takes Ros job his chance of managing Mayo would be gone Id say.
McStay has his team assembled for the job already. I'm afraid you're stuck with your ladeens. Ye had your chance if you wanted McStay.
Quote from: moysider on September 14, 2015, 10:31:29 PM
With unrest in Mayo is McStay stalling? If he takes Ros job his chance of managing Mayo would be gone Id say.
Did his chance in Mayo not go up in smoke when county board gave him short shrift and the Mayo players did not want him because Liam McHale upset them with some comments he supposedly made. Would McStay even take the Mayo job now if he was asked back?
Heard that Roscommon native, Paul Coggins, has stepped down as London manager. He'll be a hard act to follow.
At least he was able to get a win over Sligo unlike our last man.
If Kevin Mc Stay is going to be the next Roscommon manager, there could be a very valid reason why his appointment hasn't yet happened. It could be, to let him conclude his role as a Sunday Game analyst next Sunday with the All Ireland Final, before the news goes public. This would probably be at his own request... As he hasn't withdrawn his name, he's obviously still the favourite, and has been for weeks. Yet, something is delaying anything being formally announced. The reason above may well be it.
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 15, 2015, 12:32:57 PM
If Kevin Mc Stay is going to be the next Roscommon manager, there could be a very valid reason why his appointment hasn't yet happened. It could be, to let him conclude his role as a Sunday Game analyst next Sunday with the All Ireland Final, before the news goes public. This would probably be at his own request... As he hasn't withdrawn his name, he's obviously still the favourite, and has been for weeks. Yet, something is delaying anything being formally announced. The reason above may well be it.
The selection committee still need to do their own whataboutry.
What's all the dilly dally about this in aid of , are you 100% syferus he has agreed to the job?
Quote from: larryin89 on September 20, 2015, 11:49:34 PM
What's all the dilly dally about this in aid of , are you 100% syferus he has agreed to the job?
Yeah, I thought he had taken the soup, going by what I've read here. Is there anyone else up for the gig?
Tommy Tom, Luke D, Bandy Cake, Liam Kearns, Jack Sheedy, Pat Holmes/Noel Connelly's and E Fitzmaurice ( a late entry).
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2015, 11:11:24 AM
Tommy Tom, Luke D, Bandy Cake, Liam Kearns, Jack Sheedy, Pat Holmes/Noel Connelly's and E Fitzmaurice ( a late entry).
Jim McGuiness was ruled out due to lack of ambition.
Quote from: Syferus on September 21, 2015, 11:30:02 AM
Quote from: Rossfan on September 21, 2015, 11:11:24 AM
Tommy Tom, Luke D, Bandy Cake, Liam Kearns, Jack Sheedy, Pat Holmes/Noel Connelly's and E Fitzmaurice ( a late entry).
Jim McGuiness was ruled out due to lack of ambition.
The fecker said he wouldn't be going all out for the FBD!!!
mc stay is a paid employee of rte he is awaiting the buying out of that contract before he accepts
Surely his contract for the year, would have finished last night with the conclusion of the Championship.
maybe so but he is going to have to be compensated for the next couple of years
I don't think Mcstays relationship with RTE coud be described as Employer /Employee
more like part time contractor. they could decide just not to use him next yea as they usually do with a few their experts every year.
hopefully it'll be brolly this year
People argue that the championship proper doesn't really begin until the 1/4 final stage.
Surely McStay could stay with RTE and just be absent up until then.
Quote from: Nihilist on September 21, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
People argue that the championship proper doesn't really begin until the 1/4 final stage.
Surely McStay could stay with RTE and just be absent up until then.
Very good Nihilist. :D
So the Roscommon dream ticket of the Ballina brothers-in-law has to wait for a little while linger. Or are there other forces at play?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 21, 2015, 06:46:40 PM
So the Roscommon dream ticket of the Ballina brothers-in-law has to wait for a little while linger. Or are there other forces at play?
Of course there are but what happens in the CCommittee room stays in the Committee room.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 21, 2015, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 21, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
People argue that the championship proper doesn't really begin until the 1/4 final stage.
Surely McStay could stay with RTE and just be absent up until then.
Very good Nihilist. :D
So the Roscommon dream ticket of the Ballina brothers-in-law has to wait for a little while linger. Or are there other forces at play?
This could be interesting still?
I m sure everybody knows by now that the McStay package was dismissed in Mayo because the board would not indulge compensating him for his loss of media earnings. And of course Lord Liam wouldn t be doing it for nothing either. They may of course have a sugar daddy to cover that expense?
Of course there is the possibility that Paddy Mac and the current inner sanctum used that as an excuse to exercise a bit of nepotism and appoint the Chosen Ones. What you think Farr?
What do you think Paddy meant when he said that if anybody saw the McStay proposal that there was no way it was acceptable? He was hardly talking about football tactics, was he? Of course McStay asked that the details of his application would not become public.
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2015, 01:40:09 AM
What do you think Paddy meant when he said that if anybody saw the McStay proposal that there was no way it was acceptable? He was hardly talking about football tactics, was he? Of course McStay asked that the details of his application would not become public.
Some of the diagrams leaked out.
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The Irish Times website was last night reporting, that Kevin Mc Stay could become the new Roscommon manager next week. Apparently, he is being interviewed next Monday. He's expected to come through that process and have his name brought before the clubs, where he will easily be voted in. It's believed he's the only candidate being interviewed, even though the Ros Co Board refused to confirm this. Any appointment would prevent him from appearing on The Sunday Game '' while Roscommon remain in the Championship''..
That's him gone from the SG till September then :)
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2015, 01:40:09 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 21, 2015, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 21, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
People argue that the championship proper doesn't really begin until the 1/4 final stage.
Surely McStay could stay with RTE and just be absent up until then.
Very good Nihilist. :D
So the Roscommon dream ticket of the Ballina brothers-in-law has to wait for a little while linger. Or are there other forces at play?
This could be interesting still?
I m sure everybody knows by now that the McStay package was dismissed in Mayo because the board would not indulge compensating him for his loss of media earnings. And of course Lord Liam wouldn t be doing it for nothing either. They may of course have a sugar daddy to cover that expense?
Of course there is the possibility that Paddy Mac and the current inner sanctum used that as an excuse to exercise a bit of nepotism and appoint the Chosen Ones. What you think Farr?
What do you think Paddy meant when he said that if anybody saw the McStay proposal that there was no way it was acceptable? He was hardly talking about football tactics, was he? Of course McStay asked that the details of his application would not become public.
McStay played a system that pressed the opposition high up the field with Brigids and that would have suited Mayo's current panel pretty well as it wasn't too dissimilar from what Horan was doing. I think was an absolute joker tbh and should be the focus of any discussion about what happened in Mayo last Autumn but seeing as we're going to gain from it I'm certainly happy about it.
Quote from: Syferus on September 22, 2015, 11:23:57 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 22, 2015, 01:40:09 AM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 21, 2015, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: Nihilist on September 21, 2015, 12:56:38 PM
People argue that the championship proper doesn't really begin until the 1/4 final stage.
Surely McStay could stay with RTE and just be absent up until then.
Very good Nihilist. :D
So the Roscommon dream ticket of the Ballina brothers-in-law has to wait for a little while linger. Or are there other forces at play?
This could be interesting still?
I m sure everybody knows by now that the McStay package was dismissed in Mayo because the board would not indulge compensating him for his loss of media earnings. And of course Lord Liam wouldn t be doing it for nothing either. They may of course have a sugar daddy to cover that expense?
Of course there is the possibility that Paddy Mac and the current inner sanctum used that as an excuse to exercise a bit of nepotism and appoint the Chosen Ones. What you think Farr?
What do you think Paddy meant when he said that if anybody saw the McStay proposal that there was no way it was acceptable? He was hardly talking about football tactics, was he? Of course McStay asked that the details of his application would not become public.
McStay played a system that pressed the opposition high up the field with Brigids and that would have suited Mayo's current panel pretty well as it wasn't too dissimilar from what Horan was doing. I think was an absolute joker tbh and should be the focus of any dissuasion about what happened in Mayo last Autumn but seeing as we're going to gain from it I'm certainly happy about it.
Sorry I m lost there Sy. Who is the joker and who was advised not to do what?
So the long wait is over, Kevin McStay and Fergal O Donnell joint managers, Liam McHale, David Casey and Stephen Bohan selectors, strong group, now lets see where they can take us.
Good that it's nearly there at last.
By the way why do we use the quaint term "selectors" still? :o
Sure the manager selects the team nowadays.
Delighted.
Ye liked the look of his package so.
Will make next year that bit more interesting anyway
He's talking Championship already while also giving the League a good cut.
Onwards and upwards, the best is yet to come.
Meanwhile the usual anti FO'D whinger is at it already on stolensheep. What an ass >:(
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2015, 10:41:39 PM
He's talking Championship already while also giving the League a good cut.
Onwards and upwards, the best is yet to come.
Meanwhile the usual anti FO'D winger is at it already on stolensheep. What an ass >:(
surely the majority of rossies realise how much Fergal O Donnell has given to his county? will always be one or two that has agenda though.
Joint managers? Really?
Does noone every learn from previous mistakes with these things?
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2015, 12:24:02 AM
Joint managers? Really?
Does noone every learn from previous mistakes with these things?
Sure it worked grand in Mayo. Oh wait.......
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2015, 12:27:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2015, 12:24:02 AM
Joint managers? Really?
Does noone every learn from previous mistakes with these things?
Sure it worked grand in Mayo. Oh wait.......
McStay and O'Donnell will compliment each other well.
Delighted with this news. Isn't it nice to see Kevin already referring to himself and players as ''we''..
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2015, 12:27:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2015, 12:24:02 AM
Joint managers? Really?
Does noone every learn from previous mistakes with these things?
Sure it worked grand in Mayo. Oh wait.......
Didn't the current Mayo joint senior managers win the U21 All Ireland with Mayo?
Quote from: Captain Obvious on September 29, 2015, 01:25:58 AM
Quote from: moysider on September 29, 2015, 12:27:26 AM
Quote from: DuffleKing on September 29, 2015, 12:24:02 AM
Joint managers? Really?
Does noone every learn from previous mistakes with these things?
Sure it worked grand in Mayo. Oh wait.......
Didn't the current Mayo joint senior managers win the U21 All Ireland with Mayo?
Yeah. I was at all those U21 games that year.
http://www.gaaroscommon.ie/news/committeerecommendsappointmentofodonnellandmcstay
Joint managers, be careful lads! :)
Quote from: Tubberman on September 29, 2015, 11:27:03 AM
Joint managers, be careful lads! :)
Our county and team actually like our two though.
Good appointment for Roscommon and for McStay although it's going to be tough ask to stay in D1 next year. That said, with new managers in Down, Cork and probably Mayo, they might have some chance. Donegal will likely be trying to improve the depth of their squad also. It'll take a year or two for Roscommon to catch up with the physicality of D1 so if they can hang in there this year, it'd set them up for the following year.
As regards the grá McStay has for Roscommon - I'm sure he has but you can be sure he'd much preferred to have landed the Mayo job last year in the same way any manager would prefer to be in charge of his own than the noisy neighbours. Anyway, best of luck to him once he gets knocked out of Connacht, I hope ye treat him better than the last army man we sent ye're way
Quote from: Rossfan on September 28, 2015, 10:15:08 PM
Good that it's nearly there at last.
By the way why do we use the quaint term "selectors" still? :o
Sure the manager selects the team nowadays.
No, selectors have input into the team selection, that's partly why they are there, to give their opinion on how a lad is going in training, or to suggest fellas for a specific role in the team.
McStay doing what a lot of the other pundits would never dream of doing. Best of luck to him.
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 29, 2015, 01:23:12 PM
McStay doing what a lot of the other pundits would never dream of doing. Best of luck to him.
Very true, you wouldn't see Brolly / Spillane / O'Rourke putting their necks on the line
All involved in it for the long haul. That official announcement indicating a three year term, with the option of a fourth year. Well done as well to Sean Mulryan.
RTÉ GAA analyst Kevin McStay and Fergal O'Donnell are set to be appointed as joint managers of Roscommon's footballers.
McStay, who helped Roscommon side St Brigid's to All-Ireland glory in the club championship two seasons ago, will also have Liam McHale - who played a vital role in that club success – in his backroom team.
McStay and O'Donnell will replace John Evans after the Kerry man called time on his involvement with the Rossies after three seasons in charge.
The county can look forward to an exciting but arduous league campaign in 2016 after Evans successfully masterminded a second successive promotion this season, but Roscommon couldn't replicate their league form in the championship, with their All-Ireland campaign coming to an end against Fermanagh in the third round of the qualifiers.
McStay, who has twice been unsuccessful in his bid to takes the reins of his native Mayo, is fully focused on task at hand with his adoptive county, having retired from his role with the army recently, while his media interests also look likely to be put on hiatus.
McStay told the Herald: "I'm 53, I have the energy for it, the enthusiasm for it. I'm not going to have that forever. I saw this as probably the best time to go into county management," he said.
"I'm a very proud Mayo man and I had two goes at managing my native county, it just didn't happen.
"So this gives me a chance to test myself at inter-county management, and I obviously was never going to get it with Mayo.
"I've lived most of my adult life in Roscommon, my three girls are Roscommon girls and they support Roscommon. Why should it be anywhere else?"
As he said himself he was refused by Mayo last year. Fair play to him and good luck to him with Ros. I think that's a good management team, himself and O'Donnell. Is O'Donnell still highly rated by Rossies?
Didn't realise he had retired from the army. With the media work gone now as well, we'll have to make sure he's well looked after. Seems Athlone IT will be the team's training base.
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
Is O'Donnell still highly rated by Rossies?
To varying degrees Far. A few , as usual can't say a good word but he's well respected and liked by the vast majority of us.
A really sound bloke and not a bad manager either.
Wonder what the division of responsibilities will be between himself and Kevin.
Does any of Kevin McStay daughters play GAA?
Quote from: Shrewdness on September 29, 2015, 05:30:31 PM
Didn't realise he had retired from the army. With the media work gone now as well, we'll have to make sure he's well looked after. Seems Athlone IT will be the team's training base.
He won't starve on a Lieutenant Colonel's pension.
Quote from: macdanger2 on September 29, 2015, 01:31:09 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on September 29, 2015, 01:23:12 PM
McStay doing what a lot of the other pundits would never dream of doing. Best of luck to him.
Very true, you wouldn't see Brolly / Spillane / O'Rourke putting their necks on the line
Spillane's effort of throwing his hat into the ring for the Kerry U21 job a few months back was cute hoorism of the highest degree. He knew well the Jack O'Connor was earmarked to move on with the minors so he knew he was safe pretending he was interested - mark it down and don't be surprised if at some future date he comes out with some nonsense about the Kerry County Board not wanting him. Meanwhile he's safe to continue playing Punch and Judy with Brolly on RTE at us taxpayers expense.
Interesting interview with Kevin Mc Stay in today's 'Roscommon People'.. Judging by the amount of work, preparation etc already done, they obviously knew weeks ago that the job was theirs. He stated that he wouldn't have taken the job without Fergal O'Donnell being involved. He said that he had already accepted that he would never get to manage Mayo... The new management team will be formally ratified by the clubs next Tuesday night.
Quote from: Rossfan on September 29, 2015, 05:53:12 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on September 29, 2015, 05:26:14 PM
Is O'Donnell still highly rated by Rossies?
To varying degrees Far. A few , as usual can't say a good word but he's well respected and liked by the vast majority of us.
A really sound bloke and not a bad manager either.
Wonder what the division of responsibilities will be between himself and Kevin.
Fair enough Rossfan, I'm sure Ros will enjoy more success under those two than under Evans. Hopefully not a Connacht title or finishing above us in the league though, a lot will depend on tonight's shenanigans however!
The 2 lads ratified tonight.
Let the games begin!!
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2015, 09:34:46 PM
The 2 lads ratified tonight.
Let the games begin!!
Always a bit of excitement when the new Batman and Robin episode is released!!
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2015, 09:34:46 PM
The 2 lads ratified tonight.
Let the games begin!!
Ross, what's the story with Liam McHale? Has he any part to play in the new setup?
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2015, 10:53:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2015, 09:34:46 PM
The 2 lads ratified tonight.
Let the games begin!!
Ross, what's the story with Liam McHale? Has he any part to play in the new setup?
Selector along with David Casey and Stephen Bohan. Maybe he'll be the trainer, who knows.
Quote from: Syferus on October 05, 2015, 11:23:11 PM
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2015, 10:53:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2015, 09:34:46 PM
The 2 lads ratified tonight.
Let the games begin!!
Ross, what's the story with Liam McHale? Has he any part to play in the new setup?
Selector along with David Casey and Stephen Bohan. Maybe he'll be the trainer, who knows.
Hmmm. Not like you not to know everything ;)
Maybe he's just minding Robin's back.
They managed to unwrap the package so :D
Quote from: mayo.mick on October 06, 2015, 12:22:35 AM
They managed to unwrap the package so :D
Makes you wonder what was in the package that Paddy would not divulge 12 months ago ::) The 3rd secret of Fatima was not buried in mystery half as fast. It was suggested as being beyond even consideration. What was that about?
There's an interview with Fergal O'Donnell in Tuesday's 'Roscommon Herald' where he says the plan is to turn Ros into a top eight championship team on a consistent basis.
Quote from: Shrewdness on October 06, 2015, 12:46:25 AM
There's an interview with Fergal O'Donnell in Tuesday's 'Roscommon Herald' where he says the plan is to turn Ros into a top eight championship team on a consistent basis.
You realise that's no good. Top 2/3 no good either. Eugene McGee will pour scorn on ye when his radar picks ye up again.
Quote from: Lar Naparka on October 05, 2015, 10:53:09 PM
Quote from: Rossfan on October 05, 2015, 09:34:46 PM
The 2 lads ratified tonight.
Let the games begin!!
Ross, what's the story with Liam McHale? Has he any part to play in the new setup?
The Co Board website tells us that the 2 boys will be "assisted by Stephen Bohan with David Casey and Liam McHale as coaches....."
What is the progress Roscommon hope to make next year? Obviously survival in Division 1 would be the immediate priority, and then what? Would beating Sligo, but lose a Connacht final be progress? Or would beating either Mayo or Galway in the Connacht final be the real barometer of how next season is judged?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 18, 2015, 09:55:20 PM
What is the progress Roscommon hope to make next year? Obviously survival in Division 1 would be the immediate priority, and then what? Would beating Sligo, but lose a Connacht final be progress? Or would beating either Mayo or Galway in the Connacht final be the real barometer of how next season is judged?
Sy. reckons that they're not expected to stay in division 1. I suspect though there is a difference between media types expecting them to be relegated and their own expectations. 2 different things.
Roscommon and Down were quite mediorce in the Div 2 League , despite being promoted. The year before Monaghan and Donegal were a step above the other teams.
Think Roscommon have a better chance then the so far managerless Down, of staying in Divison 1 next year.
Quote from: moysider on October 18, 2015, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 18, 2015, 09:55:20 PM
What is the progress Roscommon hope to make next year? Obviously survival in Division 1 would be the immediate priority, and then what? Would beating Sligo, but lose a Connacht final be progress? Or would beating either Mayo or Galway in the Connacht final be the real barometer of how next season is judged?
Sy. reckons that they're not expected to stay in division 1. I suspect though there is a difference between media types expecting them to be relegated and their own expectations. 2 different things.
No great expectations about staying up. Being competitive would be enough. Maybe we sneak a couple home wins and give ourselves a chance when ye roll up at the Hyde but getting experience at D1 and not being trashed around like Westmeath were will hardly have many in the county crying into their drinks.
Staying up would be unreal but we've enjoyed enough league success that we know we need a championship run more than anything else. Making an AIQF is a more critical target than staying in D1 imho.
The same old tripe is being trotted out again, before last years league there was a huge element in Ros saying we would do well to avoid relegation, yes we made hard work of promotion but some mystery selections and substitutions by the now departed John Evans especially against Galway and Laois made what should have been a routine task hard.
This team now has another year under its belt, it will stand to us big time in the enormous task ahead. we have 4 home games which is a help, my call is we will survive and maybe with a bit of luck make a league semi-final, believe, the best is yet to come.
Local media in Ros are reporting this week, that former goalkeeper, Geoffrey Claffey, has returned to the Roscommon Senior Panel after a couple of years absence. It will be interesting to see if any other former players, of recent years, make a return, as it's believed that several were contacted by our new management.
Rumours of around 100 asked to come on board.
One lad from a particular club declined as (allegedly) "That would interfere with me pints at the weekend" :)
Quote from: Rossfan on November 19, 2015, 07:02:18 PM
Rumours of around 100 asked to come on board.
One lad from a particular club declined as (allegedly) "That would interfere with me pints at the weekend" :)
And sure that's fair enough, some people like to play for their county and some people just want to have a life!
Re expectation ,surely the Nestor cup is at least a realistic target especially with the traditional two most likely going head to head in semi final?
Quote from: Farrandeelin on October 18, 2015, 09:55:20 PM
What is the progress Roscommon hope to make next year? Obviously survival in Division 1 would be the immediate priority, and then what? Would beating Sligo, but lose a Connacht final be progress? Or would beating either Mayo or Galway in the Connacht final be the real barometer of how next season is judged?
Staying up in D1 is a huge ask. Surely on a different plane to beating Galway.
A dignified relegation and beating Sligo would be the height of ambition for the Rossies I'd say.
Seafoid, i presume you're on the wind up? The management team and finance in place are not there simply to achieve a dignified relegation and to beat Sligo...Division 1 will be tough, but i expect a serious crack at Mayo in the Connacht Final is the real target.
What Kevin McStay said back in September
"There is certainly no expectation in terms of this team currently because we are literally on the floor after the championship,"
"We took a big, big hit in the championship after a very good league campaign - so the focus is going to be on re-establishing our pedigree and reputation as a championship team - and everything we do is going to be in that direction.
"Obviously we are in division one - but that's where this group of players have wanted to get into and we are not for a moment being naive about the challenge ahead of us - but we are going to give it a fantastic cut, with eyes on May all of the time."
"We are looking to bring them on again - they are at a certain level - they have just knocked down the door to division one - so they are at a new level already and we have to get used to that level as that's where we want to be - so we'll need to get used to it. But this is all championship and we want to get a nice tight group together that we can trust and they can trust us.
"We are going to attempt to do a lot of coaching, a lot of detail about what systems we want to use - our method of play and getting everyone comfortable with that.
"Then obviously we want to get a very high engagement in terms of their conditioning, their attitude and their enthusiasm to play for Roscommon - that's going to be a huge part of it. Their desire to wear the jersey and want to play for their county and that'll probably be more important than anything we can do. If I see that, and Fergal sees that, then we have a great chance of doing well."
Quote from: Shrewdness on November 19, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Seafoid, i presume you're on the wind up? The management team and finance in place are not there simply to achieve a dignified relegation and to beat Sligo...Division 1 will be tough, but i expect a serious crack at Mayo in the Connacht Final is the real target.
Seafoid is always on the wind-up.
Quote from: Shrewdness on November 19, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Seafoid, i presume you're on the wind up? The management team and finance in place are not there simply to achieve a dignified relegation and to beat Sligo...Division 1 will be tough, but i expect a serious crack at Mayo in the Connacht Final is the real target.
Hard to know. He doesn't seem to have much of a soft spot for Roscommon.
Quote from: Shrewdness on November 19, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Seafoid, i presume you're on the wind up? The management team and finance in place are not there simply to achieve a dignified relegation and to beat Sligo...Division 1 will be tough, but i expect a serious crack at Mayo in the Connacht Final is the real target.
At least you're honest and not playing the beal Bocht shite .
Although Ye haven't a hope IMO as i think we will wipe the floor with Ross in castlebar .
Quote from: larryin89 on November 19, 2015, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on November 19, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Seafoid, i presume you're on the wind up? The management team and finance in place are not there simply to achieve a dignified relegation and to beat Sligo...Division 1 will be tough, but i expect a serious crack at Mayo in the Connacht Final is the real target.
At least you're honest and not playing the beal Bocht shite .
Although Ye haven't a hope IMO as i think we will wipe the floor with Ross in castlebar .
The Christmas decorations will be up before Mayo have a manager.
Ah they already have. They are just going through the correct process so that no one can say they were surprised "didn't even know he was in contention" when Rochford is announced. It will be announced to great fanfare and how "there wasn't a stone left unturned from Carracastle to Belmullet" in finding the right man.
Quote from: weareros on November 20, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
Ah they already have. They are just going through the correct process so that no one can say they were surprised "didn't even know he was in contention" when Rochford is announced. It will be announced to great fanfare and how "there wasn't a stone left unturned from Carracastle to Belmullet" in finding the right man.
It seems like there was little interest in the job. Horan shying away must have been a blow to the players who rebelled. All they've achieved now is buying another ticket to the manger raffle.
Quote from: weareros on November 20, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
Ah they already have. They are just going through the correct process so that no one can say they were surprised "didn't even know he was in contention" when Rochford is announced. It will be announced to great fanfare and how "there wasn't a stone left unturned from Carracastle to Belmullet" in finding the right man.
Should that not read "from Ballaghaderreen to Belmullet" ?
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Quote from: Croí na hÉireann on November 20, 2015, 09:51:16 AM
Quote from: weareros on November 20, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
Ah they already have. They are just going through the correct process so that no one can say they were surprised "didn't even know he was in contention" when Rochford is announced. It will be announced to great fanfare and how "there wasn't a stone left unturned from Carracastle to Belmullet" in finding the right man.
Should that not read "from Ballaghaderreen to Belmullet" ?
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+1 ;D
The nerves are getting a bit stretched at this stage so I know that was just a Freudian slip.
These buckos are spending fat too much time worrying about our manager when they should be concerned about their own.
If I had the misfortune to be one of them, I'd concern myself more with Niall Carew than Kevin Rochford. They shafted one decent man after they met him last summer and the odds are that they'll shaft McStay for the same reason before the summer is over. ;D
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You're walking on thin ice Croí >:(.
Then again ye're trying to get Clan and Brigid's areas into Westmeath so I shouldn't be surprised at your pincer movement.
Meanwhile Syfín awake at all hours worrying about the Rhus. Cop on gasùn for F sake.
Expect Lar Naparka to edit his post at any moment now, when he sees that he wrote KEVIN Rochford instead of Stephen!!
Quote from: Shrewdness on November 20, 2015, 01:54:51 PM
Expect Lar Naparka to edit his post at any moment now, when he sees that he wrote KEVIN Rochford instead of Stephen!!
Roscommon on the brain.
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2015, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on November 19, 2015, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on November 19, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Seafoid, i presume you're on the wind up? The management team and finance in place are not there simply to achieve a dignified relegation and to beat Sligo...Division 1 will be tough, but i expect a serious crack at Mayo in the Connacht Final is the real target.
At least you're honest and not playing the beal Bocht shite .
Although Ye haven't a hope IMO as i think we will wipe the floor with Ross in castlebar .
The Christmas decorations will be up before Mayo have a manager.
Sure what about it , nothing won in December , Rossies win in January and we will win in July , maybe even August too ,September will belong to the dubs again . Not a lot to change in 16 I'd reckon but nope definetely nothing won in December .
Quote from: larryin89 on November 20, 2015, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: Syferus on November 20, 2015, 12:18:20 AM
Quote from: larryin89 on November 19, 2015, 10:38:43 PM
Quote from: Shrewdness on November 19, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
Seafoid, i presume you're on the wind up? The management team and finance in place are not there simply to achieve a dignified relegation and to beat Sligo...Division 1 will be tough, but i expect a serious crack at Mayo in the Connacht Final is the real target.
At least you're honest and not playing the beal Bocht shite .
Although Ye haven't a hope IMO as i think we will wipe the floor with Ross in castlebar .
The Christmas decorations will be up before Mayo have a manager.
Sure what about it , nothing won in December , Rossies win in January and we will win in July , maybe even August too ,September will belong to the dubs again . Not a lot to change in 16 I'd reckon but nope definetely nothing won in December .
Agreed but you won't have a panel picked until late January. You'll be chasing your tail all year. It's more of an organisation thing then anything else.
No collective training before December is a good thing in my view
Quote from: Shrewdness on November 20, 2015, 01:54:51 PM
Expect Lar Naparka to edit his post at any moment now, when he sees that he wrote KEVIN Rochford instead of Stephen!!
Don't worry, I know what I wrote alright and it took one of you a full four hours to cop it! Like I mentioned last week, you lot are slowing down. Once upon a time, I had only to post some nonsense or other and I'd get an assload of howl/'s from the woolly juimpers side of the fence.
Times are a-changing and more's the pity now that Rossfan is copping on and rossmat and a few other
f**kers lurkers have departed the scene.
But fair play to you, you are showing early promise and will add to the craic without doubt.
Haven't time to straighten you out now Lar.
About to head East for the International Rules and will take in some of the mixedsticks stuff too.
Meanwhile I hope the Rhus don't slip down too far as we need a bit of opposition in Connacht over the coming years.