Climate change fires in Greece, Italy, Canada, Spain etc

[AustinPowers]

If the fires were  started deliberately , how is it  to do with  climate change ?

Makes you wonder alright

Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.

Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires

Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.

See I think this is complete bullshit. I believe there is man made climate change by the way. However, assigning blame for forest fires to climate change does nothing only weaken the argument. For example if we had in the south of Portugal 3 weeks of 25-30 degree heat or 3 weeks of 40 Degree plus heat, do you think that fires are more likely in 40 Degree scenario. I don't think so, the place is bone dry either way and a misplace cigarette butt or an intentional arson attack in both scenarios will have the same result, widespread destructive fire. This is being hyped up to sell newspapers and adverts and has nothing to do with climate change or awareness of climate change sadly.

Or push a  certain agenda , perhaps?

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22288669/

[Eamonnca1]

I must say, the "climate change is a conspiracy to sell newspapers and ads" is a take I haven't heard before. I thought it was a cabal of billionaire climatologists in a sinister conspiracy to overcome a plucky band of regular, decent, hard-working oil executives and shareholders who are just struggling to get by.

[seafoid]

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/22288669/

An interesting stat in this : Every 1% increase in environmental heat results in a 12% increase in lightning

Lightning isn't a huge thing in damp Europe but in heavily forested North America it is a hoor. 

[seafoid]

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230817-the-weird-wind-that-can-supercharge-heatwaves-and-wildfire

[Eamonnca1]

Those dense monocultural conifer forests that Ireland has been planting could come back to haunt the place. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ireland being vulnerable to wildfires in the coming years when these temperatures keep going up.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8259

[Tubberman]

Those dense monocultural conifer forests that Ireland has been planting could come back to haunt the place. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ireland being vulnerable to wildfires in the coming years when these temperatures keep going up.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8259

Seeing as the place hasn't dried out all year, there's. very little chance of that!

[Milltown Row2]

Those dense monocultural conifer forests that Ireland has been planting could come back to haunt the place. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ireland being vulnerable to wildfires in the coming years when these temperatures keep going up.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abp8259

Seeing as the place hasn't dried out all year, there's. very little chance of that!

Unless it's started deliberately, fires in the Mournes couple of years ago were started on purpose.

It will be the end of the world before Ireland becomes a hot country

[JPGJOHNNYG]

I'm in Greece at the minute and nearly all the fires here have been started deliberately. It's heartbreaking to see so much destruction caused by a few pricks. The latest fires in the north east have been started by illegal immigrants who are trying to keep the authorities busy. Burn half a county f**k the consequences the death and destruction. Can't understand the mentality

[Taylor]

If the fires were  started deliberately , how is it  to do with  climate change ?

Makes you wonder alright

Climate can influence severity and extent of wildfires.

Weather patterns change = less rainfall = drier vegetation = fire spreads more rapidly = massive uncontrollable wildfires

Poor land management also probably a factor, but climate change at the root of it all.

Surely the root of it all is the people deliberately starting the fires?

If you deliberately start a fire where it's cool and it rained last night then you're less likely to trigger a wildfire.

If you deliberately start a fire where it's hot and it hasn't rained for months then you're more likely to trigger a wildfire.

The cooler and wetter it is, the fewer wildfires you're going to see.

The hotter and drier it is, the more wildfires you're going to see.

The point was made that climate change is at the root of this - if the fires are being started deliberately then Im not sure how the person starting the fire isnt the root of all this.

[trailer]

https://x.com/ike_dabie/status/1692992122662670753?s=46&t=DoMMsPN-cnATSPaNwKhQ5g

I think at this stage we need to recognise that's it's deck chairs on the titanic.

[Itchy]

Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires

Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.

Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.

Full article.

What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?

So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?

Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!

[Joeythelips]

The world is on fire and us ants are voting for Populists like Trump and Boris who are grifting away milking the system for last dregs so they will be fine. Us peasants will drown and burn as the weather becomes more and more extreme as it will do.

Maybe then we will wonder why we didn't listen to experts instead of the likes of Matt Le Tissier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVfP24Nx_s

[CiKe]

I'm in Greece at the minute and nearly all the fires here have been started deliberately. It's heartbreaking to see so much destruction caused by a few pricks. The latest fires in the north east have been started by illegal immigrants who are trying to keep the authorities busy. Burn half a county f**k the consequences the death and destruction. Can't understand the mentality

A fireman I know who has been fighting these fires told me that they have feck all to do with a carelessly discarded cigarette butt - they're not sufficient to start a fire. All the major fires are deliberate, either cos someone is just a c*nt or because of some dispute with the neighbour where they try to burn some land and things get out of control (which is apparently WAY more common than you would think, at least here in Spain).

[J70]

Satellite Data Record Shows Climate Change's Impact on Fires

Hot and dry. These are the watchwords for large fires. While every fire needs a spark to ignite and fuel to burn, the hot and dry conditions in the atmosphere determine the likelihood of a fire starting, its intensity and the speed at which it spreads. Over the past several decades, as the world has increasingly warmed, so has its potential to burn.

Since 1880, the world has warmed by 1.9 degrees Fahrenheit (1.09 degrees Celsius), with the five warmest years on record occurring in the last five years. Since the 1980s, the wildfire season has lengthened across a quarter of the world's vegetated surface, and in some places like California, fire has become nearly a year-round risk. The year 2018 was California's worst wildfire season on record, on the heels of a devasting 2017 fire season. In 2019, wildfires have already burned 2.5 million acres in Alaska in an extreme fire season driven by high temperatures, which have also led to massive fires in Siberia.

Full article.

What data has the satellite produced which shows forest fires are linked to climate change. This is the crap that gives every conspiracy but in the world an argument. The data from a satellite may show warming, it may show more fires but does it show a link between both?

So the increase in wildfires and the increase in global average temperatures are just a coincidence then?

Coincidence, two facts that are not linked - whatever you are having yourself. Going around linking everything and its mother to climate change does incredible damage to the argument for less burning off fossil fuels, moving to sustainable energy etc as the doubters will continue to doubt. Next thing we will have people linking increased sightings of UFOs to Climate change!

Jaysus Itchy, you're sitting on a goldmine there and you don't know it. There are plenty of right think tanks and donors out there dying to feed money to mouthpieces who will "prove" the lack of links between climate change and wildfires, severe weather, drought etc etc. You can be the new guy (singular) who Fox News wheels out because they don't have many options among scientists who are pretty much unanimous that increasingly severe wildfires are at least partly down to climate change.

And this argument some lads are throwing around here about arson?

So what? Arson, carelessness, a rim hitting a curb, or a lightning strike -what's the difference? The issue is that once they start, they very rapidly burn out of control consuming everything and anything that is in their path and cause massive destruction due to the conditions humans have created through climate change, habitat destruction, invasive species spread, poor management and building in unsuitable areas.