The Many Faces of US Politics...

[screenexile]

They just released a statement saying they'll only appear if it's called. They're giving it until 10pm EST.

[tyssam5]

Tucker reckons Joe Biden is a hologram and that big tech and corporate America are behind the projector!!!

But y'know the liberals are crazy 

Turned turned him on - great craic.

[armaghniac]

Arizona drags on, it will not be called, although Trump is unlikely to catch up. Likewise it is arithmetically possible for Trump to catch up in Nevada, even if it is more likely that Antrim will win tomorrow. Perhaps you could reasonably call PA where Biden is 21,000 and there are still some votes in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh to go. Georgia is a recount.
This whole thing could be in Limbo for days to come.

[sid waddell]

The "f**k your feelings" crowd are now suddenly very concerned about the importance of respecting people's feelings when they're hurting after a defeat.


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'Give People Time!' CNN's Rick Santorum Pleads for Everyone to Let Trump and His Fans Work Out Their Feelings About Losing

Trumpism and right-wing politics in general is based on an extreme and insane political correctness

Any challenge to idiotic, moronic or hate filled opinions at all is interpreted as an all angles hostile attack after which the holder of the moronic or hate filled opinions claims fake victimhood

Any ridicule of moronic or hate filled opinions is immediately met with moronic retreat into fake victimhood

The cries of "free speech" suddenly disappear, because "free speech" cries from right wingers is a transparent grift, a fraud

All that matters to Trumpists is that anybody who dares challenge them is shut down and forced to be subservient to their idiocy and hate, all because Trumpists' feelings get hurt if people talk back at them

An extreme, insane form of political correctness for bedwetting fascists

[seafoid]

The "f**k your feelings" crowd are now suddenly very concerned about the importance of respecting people's feelings when they're hurting after a defeat.


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'Give People Time!' CNN's Rick Santorum Pleads for Everyone to Let Trump and His Fans Work Out Their Feelings About Losing

Trumpism and right-wing politics in general is based on an extreme and insane political correctness

Any challenge to idiotic, moronic or hate filled opinions at all is interpreted as an all angles hostile attack after which the holder of the moronic or hate filled opinions claims fake victimhood

Any ridicule of moronic or hate filled opinions is immediately met with moronic retreat into fake victimhood

The cries of "free speech" suddenly disappear, because "free speech" cries from right wingers is a transparent grift, a fraud

All that matters to Trumpists is that anybody who dares challenge them is shut down and forced to be subservient to their idiocy and hate, all because Trumpists' feelings get hurt if people talk back at them

An extreme, insane form of political correctness for bedwetting fascists

Trumpism is plutocracy

[omochain]

Now Meadows has tested CoVid positive. The lunacy in the White House is now excusable. They are all on drugs!!!!

[Milltown Row2]

Arizona drags on, it will not be called, although Trump is unlikely to catch up. Likewise it is arithmetically possible for Trump to catch up in Nevada, even if it is more likely that Antrim will win tomorrow. Perhaps you could reasonably call PA where Biden is 21,000 and there are still some votes in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh to go. Georgia is a recount.
This whole thing could be in Limbo for days to come.

Are the Antrim results sorted? There was a problem with the county, in Michigan that is...

[brokencrossbar1]

Arizona drags on, it will not be called, although Trump is unlikely to catch up. Likewise it is arithmetically possible for Trump to catch up in Nevada, even if it is more likely that Antrim will win tomorrow. Perhaps you could reasonably call PA where Biden is 21,000 and there are still some votes in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh to go. Georgia is a recount.
This whole thing could be in Limbo for days to come.

Are the Antrim results sorted? There was a problem with the county, in Michigan that is...

You sure the problem is in Michigan 

[screenexile]

I'm still watching CNN even though there's no way they're calling this at 6 in the morning.

It'll be lunchtime at best a lot of people talking about a Pennsylvania call once the lead gets over 30k.

[Main Street]

What's next for the Trump cult? 
I suppose (unfortunately) a Jim Jones cult like ending is out of the question,  as the Republican party as a whole  believe in Trump. Trump has consumed the party. The reality part where Biden has won and Trump has lost, that part has to be denied because of the conspiracy  Seeing as there's no reasoned argument to support a conspiracy  and mere claims of a conspiracy existing are not evidence, the MAGA dialogue has to to turn hysterical, witches of Salem hysterical, in order to deny and create a different reality. Fox news  (just in time) had to be reined in after making  erroneous declarations of calling out a Biden win. Next Trump will have to start holding rallies where the hysteria sharing will be a part of the experience.

[Milltown Row2]

Surely the old guard in the GOP will be (behind closed doors) happy that Trump Has lost this? Reshuffle and put in place an actual politician?

[sid waddell]

Really interesting stuff here

Demagogues exploit and prey on the psychologically vulnerable - Trump's relationship to his followers resembles a highly abusive relationship where the abused remains loyal and obedient to their abuser

https://www.dcreport.org/2020/11/05/what-is-wrong-with-68-million-americans/

What Is Wrong With 68 Million Americans?
How Trump's Mental Illness Infected 48% of the Electorate
By Bandy X. Lee

"What is wrong with 68 million Americans?" is a question many are asking the day after the election. Why should the race even be close? Why did 48% of voting adults choose to remain with a president who leaves a trail of hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths, the nation bankrupt, children in cages, and our natural habitat under existential threat?

It makes no rational sense—unless we correctly identify the problem. For almost four years, mental health professionals have been urging the nation to bring a mental health perspective to a mental health problem, instead of assuming that everything is political. All substitute approaches have failed, just as the best pandemic control comes from infectious disease specialists, not from a radiologist or economists. We have also anticipated the current situation as a product of having mental pathology in power for a prolonged period.

One indication of this effect is how Black and Hispanic voters have moved toward the president and not away, despite violent police attacks on Black Lives Matter protestors and disproportionate minority deaths from the coronavirus. No group, in fact, is immune to the spread of mental pathology, which by definition impairs insight or the very awareness that something is wrong, over time. Rational arguments, rather, face a monumental battle under these circumstances, and even something as clear-cut as death rates are not evident, as we discover. Once we place a severely mentally-impaired person in an influential position without treatment, the emotional drive of pathology is often difficult to defeat through rational means.

Psychological Manipulation
For months, Donald Trump has been emotionally calibrating his words and actions, like a delicate seismograph capable of sensing the exact mood of the country and how to respond in order to mobilize his followers. That led to ambiguous results on election night. While it may seem to defy rationality, it was very closely and accurately anticipated by many colleagues in the mental health field. This is why we repeatedly recommended that mental health experts be consulted to help prevent election theft, which would be attempted largely through psychological manipulation and symptom contagion.

In mental pathology, where higher functions are impaired, an individual taps more easily into "the primitive brain," which is irrational but very powerful, as it is survival-driven. Illegitimate power is like oxygen to the narcissistically- or sociopathically-disordered mind, and such a person would be driven to do anything—including annihilate himself and the world—for his psychic survival. Losing an election would, therefore, not at all be like a healthy person's experience of defeat. In fact, we know how much Donald Trump fears it through his readiness to call others "losers" and "suckers", in order to separate himself and to disavow qualities he cannot tolerate.

Pathological Bond
Many of his followers will equally experience his downfall as a life-or-death matter, since he has conditioned this into them. Their bond is pathological to start, based on developmental wounds or regression to an earlier stage of development under stress, which led them to seeking a parental figure. They are thus vulnerable to someone manipulative and exploitative enough to claim he will take care of them and protect them in unrealistic ways. And once they do,  they often give up their agency and rationality. Recent footage of his followers chanting, "Fire Fauci!" is disturbing in its depiction of their conformity, loss of personality, and alignment with Donald Trump's thinking—to suggest proactively that he remove the reminder of his unwanted reality: the pandemic. Delusions, paranoia, and violence-proneness are among the most contagious symptoms, and we see all these tendencies in his followers.

Under these emotional bonds, his followers will likely experience any threat to his position as an existential threat to themselves, which is why negative facts about him only activate defensive denial and disavowal, rather than abandonment. Abused children rather blame themselves than the parent as a survival impulse, for the parent is their lifeline, and it is easier to believe that he or she could never do wrong—and the more untrue this belief, the more insistently they cling to it.

Coming Danger
"Shared psychosis" or "folie à millions" (madness by the millions) has been well-documented by renowned mental health experts such as Carl Jung and Erich Fromm. This contagion of symptoms dissipates when exposure to the primary person is reduced, which is why Donald Trump holds rallies as if his life depended on them—psychically, it does. It is also the reason why he cannot leave the presidency—in addition to the possibility of prosecution.

However, these are also the very reasons why he is extremely dangerous. Over one month ago, more than 100 senior mental health experts went on video record to declare that Donald Trump was too psychologically dangerous and mentally unfit to qualify for the presidency or candidacy for reelection. More than a week ago, we held an emergency interdisciplinary conference that followed an earlier National Press Club conference, broadcast in full on C-SPAN, which brought together thirteen of the nation's top experts in fields as diverse as psychiatry, law, history, political science, economics, social psychology, journalism, climate science, and nuclear science. We emphasized the expansion of dangers into all domains and the need for fit leadership. A month ago, I urgently published a "Profile of a Nation," to help the public understand in detail what it was facing through this perilous time.

The coming weeks and months will be the most dangerous period of this presidency. While our "Prescription for Survival," first issued in March, was not heeded, it is again relevant for setting limits and preparing for other means of removal, without relying solely on the vote.  As mental health professionals, we do not comment on how he is removed—which is best left to legal and Constitutional experts—but we state that he must be removed, whatever the means, for public safety and survival.

[whitey]

Surely the old guard in the GOP will be (behind closed doors) happy that Trump Has lost this? Reshuffle and put in place an actual politician?

A lot of people were voting against the Democrats not necessarily voting for Trump

[Milltown Row2]

Surely the old guard in the GOP will be (behind closed doors) happy that Trump Has lost this? Reshuffle and put in place an actual politician?

A lot of people were voting against the Democrats not necessarily voting for Trump

I know that and a lot were voting the lesser of two evils and so, to be fair to trump he'll have secured the most ever votes collected for a runner up, I just think they rallied around him as president because he was ruthless with his staff and any senators that stepped out of line.

Like I said before I'm only interested in this race as it's so rotten.

[J70]

Surely the old guard in the GOP will be (behind closed doors) happy that Trump Has lost this? Reshuffle and put in place an actual politician?

A lot of people were voting against the Democrats not necessarily voting for Trump

They're f**king either deluded or need to take a good long look at themselves then.

This wasn't Bernie the socialist. This is a choice of a run-of-the-mill, centrist, don't-rock-the-boat moderate or a far right, bigoted, irrational, incompetent, narcissistic, sociopathic, lying man-child who cares primarily about himself and is so lacking in basic human decency that he would oversee a policy of tearing tiny kids out of their desperate parents arms to be shipped all around the country, not knowing when they'd be reunited.