Who is the most bitter after Dubs do 5 in a row

[Farrandeelin]

Facts are irrelevant to most on here. If everthing came down to population and money China would be world no 1 in all sports.

It seems being better is now a crime,sin, unfair advantage to everyone else.

Its ironic that Mayo/Galway fans bitch about Dublin making it impossible to win. London, Sligo and Leitrim in Connacht alone are severely disadvantaged compared to them, but as both as bith counties van beat them they don't care what happens.

Imagine if all supporters in all sports were like muppets here who decided not to go to games because they think their team won't win. Competitive sport would be finished overnight

You start a thread clearly to stir up the likes of Galway and Mayo fans and then you whinge about them bitching? Heres the thing - don't start sad threads like this if you don't want them bitching.

I followed my county for years and years not thinking they would win. I was more hoping they would win. We don't even have that hope now. I don't even go anymore and that's from someone who travelled to the majority of games. I refuse pay for what is going on .

And it's not Dublin GAA I'm pissed with. I'm pissed with the organisation for losing that hope we had every year. I'm pissed off with the organisation for destroying the sport (especially in Leinster). Maybe if you stood back for  minute and imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and see how you would feel then. But I'm sure you don't give a fiddlers about any other county. Once you get your millions and keep winning then all is well.

My point is teams like Sligo, London, Leitrim, Limerick enter the provincal championships every year with no chance of winning it but no seems to have any issues with that. It's all about how dublin have made it so difficult to win an All Ireland!!! Interesting that the only county you don't hear moaning is Kerry.

People constantly crying over Mayo not winning an all Ireland, but at least they have multiple titles Connaght titles/medals to their name. Great players like John Galvin, Matty Forde, Declan Browne don't even have a provincal medal. I'd much rather see structures changed so weaker counties have something tangiable to aim for come the summer and not have their season end at the end of June when it's the best time of year for football.

If you think taking money off Dublin and just throwing money at the weaker counties will work you should go work for the HSE. They are perfect example of how just throwing money at a problem doesn't work.

There are hardly any Kerry posters on this board. Have a look on HoganStand if you want to see them talk about it. As I pointed out in my previous post, those counties don't have any disadvantage in the Connacht/Munster championship bar population.

So investing in Dublin is fine but putting more coaches in the likes of Dundalk, Drogheda, Bray, Sligo and other soccer towns is money down the drain?

If county boards have plans/structures in place for what they would do with capital grants then no problem, but how many county boards would you trust to spend the money wisely?

So what you also saying is that if you're a small county it's tough luck. You have no chance of winning even a provincal title, but that's just life, deal with it. Dublin are better than all the contenders for the All Ireland at the moment but that is somehow a disgrace and GAA shouldit seems be ashamed for allowing this to happen

I read Fermanagh had a plsn

[supersarsfields]

But we don't have the largers playing pool...

I don't think you really get how far behind soccer most of Dublin is on playing numbers

Come on. Firstly soccer is played across the country and has an impact everywhere. Plus at the younger age groups, soccer and football aren't exclusive of each other. Secondly other areas have their own issues as well. The North have a issue with 50% of the pop not interested in football at all. That's a bigger % impact that soccer would have in Dublin.
But what I don't get is why are the Dubs so annoyed when this is raised. Are you honestly telling me that if the Dubs win 8 out of 10 AIs the interest in Dublin won't drop? Even winning 5 in 10 would detract from the joy of winning. Would there really be interest in Dublin if they win their 8 IAR when the rest of the country have tuned out? I don't think so.
But that's why I think we have to go through a few years of pain before Dublin actually speak up and say, yes it's a problem and we need to do something. Trying to force it onto Dublin will only cause resentment and push back. But if interest drops away across the rest of the country and the Senior intercounty AI becomes an irrelevance, which it is starting to, then I think even the Dubs will want change. There's no point winning something if your the only one taking it seriously.
Someone mentioned procession earlier in the thread. And you can argue about how close some finals have been, and the replays. But if Dublin start winning 6-8 ever 10 years, which is probable more than possible, then the intercounty competition is going to die.   

[Rossfan]

Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.
Cork has 23,000 and I would suspect 2 to 1 at least are hurling.
Kerry, Donegal and Mayowestros were all around the 8 or 9,000 mark.
Someone posted a page from a Congress report with all the Counties' figures some years ago.

[mup]

Dundalk are owned by American billionaires though... Nobody in soccer is cslling for handicapping, they are too busy trying to catch them.

Not sure who's side you are taking on this but taking the above at face value, yes you are absolutely correct. Some day the West Ham owner or some other money people will come here and set up a LOI club or take over an existing one to challenge Dundalk, this will be done with money.

Dundalk's success year after year can in part be attributed to finances, the more they win the more attractive they are to sponsors plus this success allows them to get money from European games and TV etc. This means they can pay the higher wages and attract the better players in the league. It's somewhat akin to what Dublin have done apart from the fact that the Dublin players are all from inside the County / City and that Dublin's money is sourced unfairly and at a disadvantage to other competitors.

Celtic in Scotland are similar to Dundalk.

Shamrock Rovers have been investing in underage structures over the last few years and focusing big money and time into underage teams. It will be interesting to see if / when this investment pays off for them and if it will be reflected eventually in their seniors.

I'm taking the side that whinging that a team is better and demanding handicapping as opposed to raising your own standards is a recent thing and unique to Gaelic Football.  Lets face it, its just an anti Dub thing. Never heard calls to split Kilkenny in 2.

I have read the bit in bold at least 10 times and still xant even begin to understand it. Want to try again?

Ah here comes the anti Dub line. And the splitting Kilkenny in two bit.

Maybe if more of you Dubs admitted that the finances that you received from the GAA are part o the reason for your success, the people might not be throwing this out as an option. Kilkenny does not have the population to be split in two. But you know that already because that particular one has been explained umpteen times. You've an excuse here because ostriches tend not to see these things.

But numerous counties recieve relatively more money than Dublin, and arent coming from a position of being the counties second and fourth sports.

Its not just about money, if it was your county would simply raise it.

'Simply raise it'. FFS you are unreal. Most counties are doing their damnedest to raise it. Dublin don't have up.

Dublin player's have to fundraise for their holiday just like other teams. They hold corporate lunches/dinners just like other teams to raise funds. Everyone seems to have this myopic, closed minded view that all money the dubs get from the GAA is going straight to the senior inter county team when it just isn't true.

I assume this point of view means they don't have to accept to simple fact that dublin are just the best team in the country

So there you go again. Changing the goalposts to justify sonething.

Can I ask you to point out where I said the players didnt fund raise for their holidays? Please show me.

Now I might be wrong but are Dublins financial figures not freely available and their fundraising income was miniscule? Am I wrong? If I am I will apologise.

[dublin7]

Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.

I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.

In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.

It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.

At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done

[omaghjoe]

Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.

I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.

In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.

It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.

At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done

They're great footballers, the prob is there is also great footballers around the country on various different teams also but that the thing they are all on different teams.
In the interests of making the competition fairness the great footballers either need to be condensed onto 4/5 teams... or the great footballers need to be spread out on different teams.
Luckily there is a solution.... Dublin enter a revived interpros and then divide in 3/4 for the inter county competition

[Baile Brigín 2]

Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.

I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.

In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.

It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.

At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done

They're great footballers, the prob is there is also great footballers around the country on various different teams also but that the thing they are all on different teams.
In the interests of making the competition fairness the great footballers either need to be condensed onto 4/5 teams... or the great footballers need to be spread out on different teams.
Luckily there is a solution.... Dublin enter a revived interpros and then divide in 3/4 for the inter county competition

So punish Dublin by handicapping them and risk the Dublin fans jacking it in.

Easier then getting your act together I suppose

[Baile Brigín 2]

Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.

Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...

That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.

[omaghjoe]

Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.

I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.

In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.

It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.

At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done

They're great footballers, the prob is there is also great footballers around the country on various different teams also but that the thing they are all on different teams.
In the interests of making the competition fairness the great footballers either need to be condensed onto 4/5 teams... or the great footballers need to be spread out on different teams.
Luckily there is a solution.... Dublin enter a revived interpros and then divide in 3/4 for the inter county competition

So punish Dublin by handicapping them and risk the Dublin fans jacking it in.

Easier then getting your act together I suppose

No.... Dublin would be at a higher level of competition that the quality of their team deserve so in essence its a reward

[Baile Brigín 2]

Dublin are constantly fundraising. Friends of Dublin football for instance raises funds on behalf of the team all year round organising golf events/dinners/lunches etc. Where this appears and under what heading in Dublin accounts can only be shown by DCB accountant.

I still cant understand how people are so angry about Dublinn's success and the Leinster championship but no is demanding something be done about the munster championship even though that's been dominated by Kerry/Cork for decades.

In USA if someone is successful they get admiration, respect and the average joe thinks that could be me one day. In Ireland if you're successful it brings out nothing but jealousy and begrudgery with most people hoping to see you fail in the future.

It seems rather than compete with Dublin people want Dublin weakend or they won't go to games anymore like some sort of spoilt child.

At least in years to come when legends like McCaffrey, Fenton and Kilkenny retire people will look back on them and the dublin team and show them some repect for their careers and what they have achieved. Thankfully the real world is unlike twitter/internet were most people actually admire Dublin footballers for what they've done

They're great footballers, the prob is there is also great footballers around the country on various different teams also but that the thing they are all on different teams.
In the interests of making the competition fairness the great footballers either need to be condensed onto 4/5 teams... or the great footballers need to be spread out on different teams.
Luckily there is a solution.... Dublin enter a revived interpros and then divide in 3/4 for the inter county competition

So punish Dublin by handicapping them and risk the Dublin fans jacking it in.

Easier then getting your act together I suppose

No.... Dublin would be at a higher level of competition that the quality of their team deserve so in essence its a reward

eh?

[supersarsfields]

Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.

Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...

That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.

If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.

Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...

That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.

If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.

All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.

[seafoid]

Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.

Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...

That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.

If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.

All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.

It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.

[Baile Brigín 2]

Last figures I saw Dublin had 39,000 registered GAA players.
I would suspect 90 to 95% are football only or football primarily.

Thats 182 players per club in Dublin...

That figure must include kids, but the adult male numbers are what we are discussing, and its not the highest playing pool. And add in again the number of non Dubs playing in Dublin etc.

If it includes kids for Dublin, the corresponding figures for other counties will also include kids. Yes you could remove the none Dubs. But it still wouldn't make a dent in the number between Dublin and the next biggest. I don't know why you are persisting with this line of argument. It's just wrong.

All I am saying is the pool is not as big as you think it is.

It's not about the quantity. What counts is the quality. That is where the GAA money comes in.

The GAA money gets gaelic games into areas they were never present in before. If anything it helped hurling more.

[Main Street]

Now we hear anecdotal tales of tumbleweed blowing around impovershed Dublin GAA clubs, being peddled as evidence, when all evidenced based acccounts are that Dublin GAA clubs are bursting at the seams and need to expand to cope.

Kilmacud Crokes 4,800 members 
Na Fianna 3,000 members, 380 mentors, 125 competitive teams  between juvenile and adult ranks
Ballyboden 3000 members 140 teams between juvenile and adult ranks, two full-time coaches.
Cuala  3,000 members